Fear of Drugs

[InTheFade]

I don't want to sound like I'm promoting drugs at all but am I the only one who finds it irritating when people bang on about how bad they are and make judgements against people who use them? I don't mean people who have had experience of drugs, I mean people who are scared of them. To what extent can you take advice from someone about something that they're ignorant about? Particularly if they go by the word of the government, for example. There are a lot of adverts that strongly discourage drug use and I'm not saying for one minute that drugs should be endorsed in any way but the fact is, many people do drugs and don't ruin their lives. Just like many people drink alcohol and smoke tobacco. Essentially, what I'm saying is, should people be more open-minded about drugs and should people have the right to do what they want to their bodies? I probably haven't put this argument across very well but hopefully, some people will understand what I mean.

[Scarlett.]

Well, drugs killed someone in my year at school, the government are right to discourage them

[Billy]

I understand what your saying but I think drgus should be discouraged

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Chewy
Well, drugs killed someone in my year at school, the government are right to discourage them

Fair enough but why doesn't the government go out of it's way to discourage alcohol which kills far more people?

[Scarlett.]

because people are less likely to get addicted to alcohol

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Chewy
because people are less likely to get addicted to alcohol

Yet, look how big a problem alcoholism is and how easy it is to get hold of...

[Scarlett.]

but the government crackdown on drink driving, and binge drinking

[Tom4784]

Drugs is a sensitive issue for me. My uncle died a few months ago due to an overdose, sounds mean and horrible but I wasn't that bothered. Drugs turned him into something horrible and he wouldn't give them up, he resorted to crime and even resorted to attacking my cousin (10 at the time) and stealing his birthday money.

To put it simply, drugs change people, they make them desperate and dangerous. It's horrible of me but i have zero sympathy for people on drugs, unless they are actively trying to give them up that is.

I think people are right in fearing drugs, look what it does to people.

[InTheFade]

Known drug-related deaths in the UK, 1990

Tobacco: .................110,000
Alcohol: ..................30,000
Volatile Substances: 112
Morphine: ................91
Methadone: ..............84
Heroin: ....................62
Barbiturate Type: ....7
Anti-depressants: ....4
Cocaine: .................4
Pethidine: ...............3
MDMA (ecstasy): ...3
Amphetamine Type: .2
Hallucinogens:........ 0
LSD:....................... 0
Psylocibin:............. 0
Cannabis: ...............0

Some interesting statistics there.

"The study looked at 191 fatalities among people receiving drug treatment in the north west of England between 2003 and 2005. Of that number, only 59 deaths were officially classified as a ‘drug-related death’."

Researched by DrugScope’s Druglink magazine.

[InTheFade]

I'm not trying to condone drug use but I don't believe anyone should be condemned for not being dead against them. The fact is, the consequences of drug use aren't always terrible.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Chewy
because people are less likely to get addicted to alcohol

Alcohol is just as addictive as most other drugs and in my experience seems to have a worse effect on people than cannabis for example. Education is the key - if people want to screw themselves up with drugs, fair enough, as long as they realise what they are doing to themselves. With proper education, most people would not want to take hard drugs, because they would realise the effect it would have on them.

A heck of a lot of people I know smoke cannabis on a 'social' basis. They also hold down responsible jobs and apart from having a joint, are law abiding citizens in every way. I'm not encouraging cannabis use, but I'm just saying that people should understand it, rather than assuming that anyone who takes any illegal drug is the typical stereotype of 'junkie'.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Chewy
because people are less likely to get addicted to alcohol

Alcohol is just as addictive as most other drugs and in my experience seems to have a worse effect on people than cannabis for example. Education is the key - if people want to screw themselves up with drugs, fair enough, as long as they realise what they are doing to themselves. With proper education, most people would not want to take hard drugs, because they would realise the effect it would have on them.

A heck of a lot of people I know smoke cannabis on a 'social' basis. They also hold down responsible jobs and apart from having a joint, are law abiding citizens in every way. I'm not encouraging cannabis use, but I'm just saying that people should understand it, rather than assuming that anyone who takes any illegal drug is the typical stereotype of 'junkie'.

Yeah. I agree that it's a person's choice to use drugs. Instead of punishing them for wanting to alter their state of mind by taking away their right to treat their body how they like, the authorities ought to make sure that people are very much aware of the potential consequences, not just that 'drugs are bad'.

[Ruth]

How many people here think Oscar Wilde was talented? Incidentally, I do.

[Ruth]

InTheFade - fantastic choice of thread by the way!

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Ruth
How many people here think Oscar Wilde was talented? Incidentally, I do.

I've never really read any of his poems (he was a poet?). I don't know much about him except that he got jailed for being gay.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Ruth
InTheFade - fantastic choice of thread by the way!

Thanks!

[spitfire]

In the fade,i am very anti smoking,so much so that i once said to a mate of mine that,out of the two evils and if i had to choose, i would rather my children took 1 pill(e) a week than smoke 10 fags a day.She was absolutley horrified!I then asked her how many people she knew who had died from taking an e and how many people she knew who had died of cancer.I know two wrongs dont make a right but that really would be my choice.

[the_stillness]

Originally posted by InTheFade
Known drug-related deaths in the UK, 1990

Tobacco: .................110,000
Alcohol: ..................30,000
Volatile Substances: 112
Morphine: ................91
Methadone: ..............84
Heroin: ....................62
Barbiturate Type: ....7
Anti-depressants: ....4
Cocaine: .................4
Pethidine: ...............3
MDMA (ecstasy): ...3
Amphetamine Type: .2
Hallucinogens:........ 0
LSD:....................... 0
Psylocibin:............. 0
Cannabis: ...............0

Some interesting statistics there.

"The study looked at 191 fatalities among people receiving drug treatment in the north west of England between 2003 and 2005. Of that number, only 59 deaths were officially classified as a ‘drug-related death’."

Researched by DrugScope’s Druglink magazine.

Those are great statistics InTheFade, I must also point out that Tobacco & Alcohol are perfectly legal and it is those two drugs which are the biggest killers. But, what would happen if all drugs were legalised? I would say that the statistics would change some-what. The worse thing about purchasing drugs off a drug dealer is that there are no guarantees that what you are buying is safe. You just buy the drugs and either smoke it, swallow it or inject it and trust to luck, that what you have is safe. You are not sure about how strong it is or how weak it is. Has it been cut down or is it the real mccoy? If you feel very low and depressed and suddenly feel the need to take a double amount, that could be your last mistake? I believe that all drugs should be legalised, then there can be some sort of quality control

[Sunny_01]

Also if those are accurate statistics do they consider the people that smoke tobacco as a way of taking in cannabis?

I do have to agree to a certain extent that people should be more open about drugs. Alcohol is perfectly legal BUT where you can just stop taking heroin and go cold turkey and come out of it fine, if an alcoholic tried to do that they could be seriously ill or die!

Methodone has a higher death rate than heroin, yet noone has yet mentioned that this is a more addictive substance than heroin, this is a way for the government to make money from addicts!!

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by the_stillness
Originally posted by InTheFade
Known drug-related deaths in the UK, 1990

Tobacco: .................110,000
Alcohol: ..................30,000
Volatile Substances: 112
Morphine: ................91
Methadone: ..............84
Heroin: ....................62
Barbiturate Type: ....7
Anti-depressants: ....4
Cocaine: .................4
Pethidine: ...............3
MDMA (ecstasy): ...3
Amphetamine Type: .2
Hallucinogens:........ 0
LSD:....................... 0
Psylocibin:............. 0
Cannabis: ...............0

Some interesting statistics there.

"The study looked at 191 fatalities among people receiving drug treatment in the north west of England between 2003 and 2005. Of that number, only 59 deaths were officially classified as a ‘drug-related death’."

Researched by DrugScope’s Druglink magazine.

Those are great statistics InTheFade, I must also point out that Tobacco & Alcohol are perfectly legal and it is those two drugs which are the biggest killers. But, what would happen if all drugs were legalised? I would say that the statistics would change some-what. The worse thing about purchasing drugs off a drug dealer is that there are no guarantees that what you are buying is safe. You just buy the drugs and either smoke it, swallow it or inject it and trust to luck, that what you have is safe. You are not sure about how strong it is or how weak it is. Has it been cut down or is it the real mccoy? If you feel very low and depressed and suddenly feel the need to take a double amount, that could be your last mistake? I believe that all drugs should be legalised, then there can be some sort of quality control

I agree completely, I obviously don't think they ought to be legalised to the extent of being sold over the counter, like tobacco but I don't think people should be locked away for doing them, it's not gonna help in the long run.

[~Kizwiz~]

I dont condone drugs, hell I have taken enough in my lifetime and I am not ashamed to say it.

I would rather meet a stoned person in a dark ally than a drunk person....hang on a min.... you wouldnt meet a stoned person in a dark ally :wink:

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I dont condone drugs, hell I have taken enough in my lifetime and I am not ashamed to say it.

I would rather meet a stoned person in a dark ally than a drunk person....hang on a min.... you wouldnt meet a stoned person in a dark ally :wink:

Lol I most definitely would rather meet a stoned person in a dark alley. The thing is, if you get too drunk, you end up paraletic, violent or at the very least, extremely hungover. There's actually no such thing as getting too stoned and if you're in the right state of mind, it feels great to be so relaxed. The only reason it's not legal is cos the government wouldn't make much money from it.

[Stu]

Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.

Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

[Jackie]

Drugs are bad end of.My children know what drugs to and also smoking neither of them would never ever ever ever deal in them.Parents need to tell them the facts and how both can kill you.

[Lauren]

Depends which drugs.
I can think of a (small majority) of drugs that are only harmful with long term constant use, whereas there are drugs which can be harmful with even the smallest dose.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.

Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.

[Stu]

Originally posted by jackie46
Drugs are bad end of.
Kudo's on an intelectually stimulating argument comprised of scraps of whatever the government is giving you.

Have you ever drank coke [the soft drink] or had a cup of coffee?!

[Jackie]

Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.

[Lauren]

Then where do we draw the line on drugs?
If Caffeine is a drug then why are people not judged on that?

[Stu]

Originally posted by jackie46
Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.
And you would consider even caffine to be bad? Yes it has some minor side effects but I would not consider it to be a hugely risk-ridden drug. If thats your view [albeit an insanely lenient one] fair enough.

You cant claim to make such a bold statement that says ''all drugs are bad'' however. Is it not true to say that too much of ANYTHING is bad? Im guessing your concept of drugs is limited but I could be wrong.

Safe food is safe , but eat too much of it , and you will become overweight - and in turn , being overweight poses many bodily threats - like those horrible drugs.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Lauren
Then where do we draw the line on drugs?
If Caffeine is a drug then why are people not judged on that?
Because its a relativly safe drug that induces only minor psychosis that 96% of coffee drinkers are now all tolerant to.

The point I was trying to make was that its a drug.

[Jackie]

I dont know but you dont hear people dying through caffeine related illnesses to we?

[little-devil-rocks]

you can die from caffeine

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.


Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.


I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......

[Stu]

Originally posted by little-devil-rocks
you can die from caffeine
You can die from age :wink:.

I hate to paint such a grim portrait - but we are all going to die.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.


Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.


I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......
Im giving my opinion , and my opinion , and of my experiences of extensive use of the phychoactive - it is safe if practiced safely - just like cars are safe if drove safely - but they can be crashed you know :wink:.

As for the you putting words in my mouth...



No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman.

[little-devil-rocks]

stu is right. we are all going to die sometime.

[Stu]

Originally posted by little-devil-rocks
stu is right. we are all going to die sometime.
And if i ever come to be wrong on that , I want to be informed.

And to return favour - as soon as the effects as Cannabis on the majority of its users extend beyond making them feel happy and mellow - I shall let you know. The statistics speak for themselves. Any crime that can come from Cannabis will , in all likelyhood , come from the fact that it is illegal.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by bananarama

Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Obviously, it's not safe to drive under the influence of cannabis, any more than it's safe to drive under the influence of alcohol. You could argue that it's not safe to drive when you have had a load of caffiene drinks either. In that context, then cannabis is not perfectly safe.

Regarding the example you gave of the 12 year old child attacking a 72 year old woman - yes, that's a disgraceful way to behave. I'd bet a whole load of money that the child was not under influence of cannabis though - but some other drug. Cannabis would be highly unlikely to turn someone violent like that.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by jackie46
Tea i dont thrink coffee i know thats got caffeine in it.

Tea has caffeine in as well.

Of course all drugs aren't bad. Drugs save lives as well as ruining them. Doctors prescribe drugs every day - sometimes possibly un-necessarily, but often they are literally life-savers.

[Wiglet]

Let's note that the stastics given are from 1991 (Great subject again InTheFade), and we can only imagine that society has moved on a and personally I do not have a clue what accurate percentages would now be attributed nationally to drugs, alcohol or another? For instance according to an article I found drug deaths in Scotland alone from Cocaine in 2005 numbered 44 but overall drug related deaths were less than the previous year. (http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2006/08/31142714)

Both of my parents lost their lives because of either smoking (my father died of lung cancer when he was 57) and a combo of smoking, excessive alcohol and over the counter non prescription medications which caused a huge gastric bleed, massive heart attack and death of my mother at 56. We do not need to be talking about cocaine or heroin to be talking about someone who was addicted to drugs. :sad:

Where do we draw the line as Lauren says? After my experience maybe it should be at paracetamol because that is one of the worst drugs and can kill very easily. The problem is that people have to at some point take responsibility for their own actions don't they? The government cannot wrap us all in cottonwool because if it was to do that we would all rebel and take as many drugs/drinks/smokes as were available.

[Stu]

Can the government do more to reduce the risk of drug addiction however? Look beyond drugs alone. I think they can. Its because of social problems many people get addicted to the 'bad' drugs nowdays in the first place.

As for drawing the line , here is my own opinion :

LSD , Cannabis , Salvia , Cigarettes , Alcohol , Mushrooms etc.

______________________________________[My line :thumbs2:]

Opiates , Amphetamines , Inhalants , disassociates [E.g. Ketamine] , Cocaine/Crack/Freebase , DXM/painkiller pills and so on...

[Jackie]

yes i agree we do need to take responsibility of our own actions.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Stu
Can the government do more to reduce the risk of drug addiction however? Look beyond drugs alone. I think they can. Its because of social problems many people get addicted to the 'bad' drugs nowdays in the first place.

As for drawing the line , here is my own opinion :

LSD , Cannabis , Salvia , Cigarettes , Alcohol , Mushrooms etc.

______________________________________[My line :thumbs2:]

Opiates , Amphetamines , Inhalants , disassociates [E.g. Ketamine] , Cocaine/Crack/Freebase , DXM/painkiller pills and so on...

You have the same line as me, apart from hybrid LSD's (mixes that cause prolonged psychotic episodes, they go under my line).

[Jackie]

social problems are the cause of most drugs nowadays people drink people smoke people take drugs sometimes to forget their problems and some people go to far before they know it theyre addicted.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.


Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.


I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......
Im giving my opinion , and my opinion , and of my experiences of extensive use of the phychoactive - it is safe if practiced safely - just like cars are safe if drove safely - but they can be crashed you know :wink:.

As for the you putting words in my mouth...



No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman.


Your suggestion drugs are safe therefore your mouth not mine. That incident is real your claim drugs are safe for society are not. If they were such incidents would not happen.......

[Jackie]

My mum was prescribed prozec for her depression it made her worst she didnt know night from day it made her have a nervous breakdown being sectioned in a mental hospital where further drugs were pumped into her to make her better i tell you it wasnt a pretty site seeing her in a straight jacket.This was going back 25 years, now the drug prozec is banned.

[Chilltown]

I think certain drugs such as Heroine or Cocaine should be kept illegal but drugs that are much less harmful on frontier of maybe Alcohol or Cigarettes such as Marijuana, Shrooms, etc should be legalized. It's dumb that the government doesn't want us experimenting with life changing experience recreational drugs such as Shrooms that can put us on a psychedelic trip and remove the ego entirely. Whereas I agree with outlawing Heroine which is probably one of the most addictive drugs ever and many users become hostile if they do not get their fair share of it.

And Note: The only thing above I do mentioned above is drink alcohol. No Favoritism.

[Sunny_01]

I think what we need to remember here is that any mind altering substance can have consequences. For me I worry that my daughter will try drugs like cannabis and end up in a vulnerable situation that she is unable to get out of.

Also I have a friend who is recieving intensive psychiatric support after years of cannabis use, he is now paranoid, obsessive, and has psychotic episodes. There is more and more research that suggests there is a link. Have a flick down this page http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinformation/mentalhealthproblems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabisandmentalhealth.aspx and see what is being said further down under the mental health section.

I think we can make excuse after excuse for drugs and taking them but it all comes down to personal choice. I doubt there is a drug out there that I have not dabbled in when I was younger BUT I chose not to continue to do so. People will do what they feel is right and what they feel should not be dictated to them.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Stu
Lets not bang on about the word 'drugs'. Methamphetamine and Caffine are both equally drugs. Its far too wide a term to describe perfectly safe things like Cannabis :thumbs:.

If the government legalised some of the safer drugs , we would be taking them out of the hands of criminals and in to the hands of the government , taxing them and using that tax to provide drugs for the elderly and build rehab centres. Lets not forget illegal drug impurities.

John Stuart Mill urged that the state had no right to intervene to prevent individuals from doing something that harmed them, if no harm was thereby done to the rest of society.

I think he has the right idea.


Cannabis perfectly safe. really!!!! Link to a scientific evaluation that confirms that please........

No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman. That's what happened just a few yards from where I live.........

Drugs including alcohol turns people into idiots that play havoc with society.

Dont put words in my mouth.

Its about as safe as drugs get. Yes their is always going to be the story of your neighbour and my uncle and whatnot but for all intents and purposes - and when used right - cannabis is safe.


I am not putting any words in your mouth but I am trying to get you to give proof of your claim. As it stands you are putting into peoples minds/mouth that drugs (Cannabis in particular) is safe. Prove it.......
Im giving my opinion , and my opinion , and of my experiences of extensive use of the phychoactive - it is safe if practiced safely - just like cars are safe if drove safely - but they can be crashed you know :wink:.

As for the you putting words in my mouth...



No harm done to the rest of society. Ok to drive under the influence of drugs then. Ok to watch a drug sodden child of about 12 having to be pulled away from attacking a 72 year old woman.


Your suggestion drugs are safe therefore your mouth not mine. That incident is real your claim drugs are safe for society are not. If they were such incidents would not happen.......
You just did it again. I said cannabis was safe. If you were to - based upon 'society' draw upon a list of things that are not safe because somebody has an accident or what now then we would have no drugs , cars , electrical equipment , or sports.

Their - now we are going to live for much longer - with alot less to live for.




I think what we need to remember here is that any mind altering substance can have consequences. For me I worry that my daughter will try drugs like cannabis and end up in a vulnerable situation that she is unable to get out of.


Also important. Which is why - as I say - they need to be taken responsibly and safely. I know of very little people who take something like LSD without planning. Its not just a recreational drug.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by jackie46
My mum was prescribed prozec for her depression it made her worst she didnt know night from day it made her have a nervous breakdown being sectioned in a mental hospital where further drugs were pumped into her to make her better i tell you it wasnt a pretty site seeing her in a straight jacket.This was going back 25 years, now the drug prozec is banned.

Jackie, I am very sorry for what happened to your mom, and I have heard lots of similar stories regarding Prozac. However, there is no doubt that Prozac has helped a great many people. Many people take anti-depressants and are a lot better for it.

Are you sure Prozac is banned now? I didn't think it was, but I could be wrong.