Is war right?

[Magic]

Is war right?
What is War?
Should our Army be in Iraq?

Discuss.

[Benji]

of course its not right, thats why its wrong and the reason why people want world peace.

[Retroman]

Originally posted by Benji
of course its not right, thats why its wrong

Lol.

War is a touchy subject, because most wars end in the killing of innocent people...which isn't right.

However, some wars help to prevent even more people dying in the long run. And some wars help to create better futures.

A war was fought against Hitler to ensure our survival.
If we had simply sat by and done nothing, who knows what our country would be like today.

Sometime's if someone declares war, you have to get involved and join in. Or sit by and be slaughtered.
But what's to say that getting involved in a war to stop someone is right? because usually whether you're stopping someone or not, your men will end up killing innocents. Whether by accident or not. And also take the lives of soldiers.

I suppose it depends on whether you think sacrifices are necessary for the greater good. Or if we should allow bad situations/differences to continue, just to spare lives.

And as much as you might wish to settle things with talking, some people just aren't capable of sorting out their differences through words.

But yea...
If you sat by without fighting a war, and it resulted in 2 million people dying.
But you got involved in the war and it resulted in 500,000 people dying, then was the war right?

Also, if getting involved in the war means only 500,000 of your own people die.
But 1 million of the opposing countries population dies.
Is that right?

[LargeAndInCharge]

no we should not be at war and it aint right

[Benji]

Wars are based on absolute crap from politics and presidents

[RockStar]

The question is too general. Not all wars are the same.

Sometimes war is necessary to prevent further bloodshed (as retroman has stated). I wish there weren't any wars. I wish there wasn't any evil in the world, but that's not realistic.

As for our army being in Iraq. I question whether they ought to be there, but I'm not qualified to really say yes or no. I'd like to have all the facts, but I'm also realistic enough to know that we don't ever get to know them.

[cepb]

I'm a pascifist. I believe that we should discuss things, not fight, we're not animals after all, we call ourselves civil human beings. We should rise above our natural instinct to fight. I know that some wars ar necessary to save more lives, but there have been many wars in the past that could have easily been avoided with better international relations.

With the dynamic development of nuclear weapons of mass-destruction, I fear that another world war, could end us all.

[Scarlett.]

In a neccesary way (like WW1 + 2) yes
in a unnecsary way (like Iraq) no

[Retroman]

The problem is often found with countries that don't revolve around politics...
Countries with famine, lower qualities of life, where much more crime goes unnoticed etc.

The leaders of some of those countries are only leaders because they have half a brain, access to weaponary, some money etc.

They don't meet up to discuss how to improve the state of their hospitals.
They meet up to discuss how they should abuse their power, or who to take their anger out on for their low qualities of life.

[cepb]

Chewy: Was WW1 really necessary?

Retroman: I agree with you and that is the case with undeveloped countries. But does that mean that war is necessary? And ww1, that was in developed Europe. Was that really necessary? If the International Relations between east and west Europe had been slightly better then the two German wars could have been avoided I believe. I mean all Germany did was support Austria-Hungary before ww1...:shrug:

[DANii--X]

its well right Izzit
ALL HAIL HITLER

[cepb]

Originally posted by DANii--X
its well right Izzit
ALL HAIL HITLER
Got anything to add to that? :hugesmile:

And it's Heil Hitler btw...

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by cepb
Originally posted by DANii--X
its well right Izzit
ALL HAIL HITLER
Got anything to add to that? :hugesmile:

And it's Heil Hitler btw... :laugh2::laugh2:

[Chri$]

Nope I Hate it

[Retroman]

Lol, I can't believe someone just said war is right and "Heil Hitler"
Even if they did spell it wrong, and mean it jokingly.

Originally posted by cepb
Retroman I agree with you and that is the case with undeveloped countries. But does that mean that war is necessary? And ww1, that was in developed Europe. Was that really necessary? If the International Relations between east and west Europe had been slightly better then the two German wars could have been avoided I believe. I mean all Germany did was support Austria-Hungary before ww1...:shrug:

Necessary is a vague word to me, but...
If someone brings war to your doorstep, then surely it becomes necessary? but if you're making the choice to go to war, I dont think it's necessary.
Unless someone is threatening your country through Nuclear weaponary etc, then I may classify that as an excuse to go to war and put a stop to their actions before a whole country is wiped out.

But when an underdeveloped/suppressed country feels that their country is such a mess because of another country...
When that country is living in poverty and awful conditions every single day/week/month/year. And they don't have the politicians/resources/means to make themselves heard, perhaps they feel that the only thing left is to unite against that country and wipe them all out?

It's not right, but they would say it's necessary.

You mention relations needing to be better...
I agree, but there needs to be some form of communication and reason for them to build relations. If we can find an event, or purpose, or common ground, for all countries leaders to meet up and discuss matters. Or for them to help eachother, or maybe even promote education amongst their people about other countries and their conditions. Then maybe that would help to fix matters.

I can't think of a 100% efficient plan that would ensure countries build positive relations between one another, thus reducing the risk of war. But it would be a good idea.

[DANii--X]

HEIL HITLER I LOVE HIM

[Retroman]

Originally posted by DANii--X
HEIL HITLER I LOVE HIM

I think you need better taste in men...
Perhaps one's that are alive, and don't start wars and kill masses of people possibly. Just a nice boy who will buy you jewellery would be an improvement =]

[spitfire]

Originally posted by DANii--X
HEIL HITLER I LOVE HIM
I wont bite,ill asume your attention seeking.:nono:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by DANii--X
HEIL HITLER I LOVE HIM

Nice to see that you love one of the evilest men to walk the earth.

Do you have any idea how many innocent people this animal sent to their deaths, he sent millions to their deaths, and in particular over 6 million innocent jews.

Your post is childish and shows that you have little concept of the hurt you could cause people with your words.

[Retroman]

I hate to point out Sunny...
But she has been saying the exact same "Heil Hitler" in at least two other topics.
I really don't think it's appropriate to go around the entire forum posting such words.

Once is enough, 3+ times is insultive spamming.

[Benji]

Originally posted by DANii--X
HEIL HITLER I LOVE HIM

and you wonder why you have -11 Karma?

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Retroman
I hate to point out Sunny...
But she has been saying the exact same "Heil Hitler" in at least two other topics.
I really don't think it's appropriate to go around the entire forum posting such words.

Once is enough, 3+ times is insultive spamming.

Sorry just come online and saw this, will look at this closer - thanks for pointing it out to me though

[Sunny_01]

warning issued to DANii--X for spamming the forum with inappropriate comments, and for constant use of text speech which is not allowed on this forum

[spacebandit]

Wars are different



WW2 - that was a just cause and right to fight it

Iraq - illegal, started on lies, immoral. A war for money for the elite few who never fight in the wars they start

[newcastlefan]

I did not want us or america to go to war in iraq my cousin is going to afganistan today i think

[Amy]

I don't think war is right but sometimes, like the 1st etc. we had to go to war.. to save lives.. Nowadays, in my eyes, all people fight over is religion and what others should believe in.

[Retroman]

Religion came from mans mind...
And mans mind devised several completely different religions.
And the best case scenario is that one of them is true, if any. Which makes all the other religions false.
Which is part of why im not religious.

And also why I think fighting over religion is silly.
Not to mention, people should accept that everyone has different beliefs.

[cepb]

Originally posted by Retroman
Religion came from mans mind...
And mans mind devised several completely different religions.
And the best case scenario is that one of them is true, if any. Which makes all the other religions false.
Which is part of why Im not religious.

And also why I think fighting over religion is silly.
Not to mention, people should accept that everyone has different beliefs.

Indeed.

But all the religions aren't COMPLETELY different (as you put it). Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same good and believe in the same original book, they just disagree on what came after. And as for Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, they're all similar, and could be described as pagan religions, just as the rest of the hundreds of religions in the world.

So I get what you mean about it being silly to fight over religion. But the main cause of the problems that have risen in Israel are to do with Judaism, Christianity and Islam disagreeing over who's holy land is it, believing that they're religion is the correct interpretation of the word.

So it's not the fact that they're fighting over who's belief is right it's just over who's land it is, believing themselves to be right, which in a way is justified. I say give it to the Jews since they were there first.

[Retroman]

Originally posted by cepb

Indeed.

But all the religions aren't COMPLETELY different (as you put it). Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same good and believe in the same original book, they just disagree on what came after. And as for Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, they're all similar, and could be described as pagan religions, just as the rest of the hundreds of religions in the world.

So I get what you mean about it being silly to fight over religion. But the main cause of the problems that have risen in Israel are to do with Judaism, Christianity and Islam disagreeing over who's holy land is it, believing that they're religion is the correct interpretation of the word.

So it's not the fact that they're fighting over who's belief is right it's just over who's land it is, believing themselves to be right, which in a way is justified. I say give it to the Jews since they were there first.

Well ok, I admit there is the common ground that religions usually tend to worship some form of god.
But the religions themselves are usually very different. From the way Christians go to church, pray, are anti-gay [not all christians are, but their god tells them they should be apparently.] and orientate around forgiveness and the Ten Commandments etc. Whereas you might find other people worshipping multiple gods such as Shiva and Vishnu, through offerings of food to an idol in their living room, which they will eat for the god in question because he/she can't eat it themselves etc. And will pray on prayer mats facing in a certain direction and so on.

They usually tend to have different rules/regulations/teachings/methods. And some of their books such as the Bible/Quran have some very different approaches/stories/explanations/values etc.

I suppose im saying their foundations/histories are different. Though their overall belief will be similar.

And I understand completely what you're saying about them fighting for land etc and not over religion...
But I never did claim anyone was fighting over religion to be fair. I think that was the user above my post who said that. I was just talking in regards to "if" people were fighting over religion.

I tend to wonder what would happen if a "superpower" was set up. A country and ruler, or large piece of land at least..that has so many troops/resources/weaponary/technology that they have the ability to wipe out any and all people trying to cause war around the world.

Kind of like a "if you step out of line, we WILL stop you" approach.

Im not saying it's right, but it'd be interesting to see what affect it'd have on the world in regards to war.

Two countries killing eachother over some form of argument/difference of opinion...they'd soon think twice if their was some greater force with the capability to destroy them.

And I don't mean destroy as in completely blow up their country and kill innocent people. I just mean they'd have the ability to target all of the people involved, the area's and buildings they operate within etc and erase them.

[Jeremy]

Is war right? No.

Is it sometimes necessary? Yes.

Is the war in Iraq right? Well that is subjective. I personally feel that it is not.

What are we doing there? As an American...I do support our American troops but I do not support the leadership that sent our troops there. Daily innocent people are dying; soldiers, Iraqians, Other foreign soldiers, etc.

They did not attack on September 11th...they do not have weapons of mass destruction...they will continue to have conflict and war in their country long after we leave. So why are we there?

It is a shame really...the lost of lives...the innocence...

[Kate..]

no! killing innocent lives for something like oil???

also killing the even more innocent people like the babies and people who aren't soldiers

the whole thing makes me feel:bored: sick

[Shaun]

It's not preferable, but sometimes it's necessary.

And sorry to disappoint the pacifists in here - but Utopia (or world peace) will never happen, and never can. :whistle: Religions, political ideologies, relationships and diplomacy are all far too complex to allow for it to ever happen.

[lemon-squeezy]

America world police.........f##k yeah!

[Shaun]

Originally posted by lemon-squeezy
America world police.........f##k yeah!

OMGLOLOLOL. No.