Why do people dislike Gay People?

[Benji]

I was wondering the other day, while watching Hells Kitchen, Why do People dislike Gay people?

They havnt ever done anything wrong have they?

Discuss Please!!!



Ben

[Captain.Remy]

People dislike them because for some, "being normal" is being heterosexual, nothing else. The notion of "normal" doesn't exist properly and loads of people don't understand that.
In societies, people used to see heterosexual couples and for them, that is normal, so everything which does change is unnaceptable. The same thing happened with black or arabian people and does happen nowadays too.
Our generation, young people accept that because we are in that culture, being tolerant is really important today as our societies see changes.

[Jackie]

I dont dislike gay people it doesnt bother me as long as people are happy thats all that matters.

[Ann]

i love Gay people they are the same as any other human out there my cousin is Gay and my nephew has just turned Gay too people should not look at gay people being wrong why dont they shut up and mind their own business and talk about the more nasty things on the news :conf2:

[Shaun]

Because people are narrow-minded :bored:

[supernoodles!]

Some people have a problem with gay people becuase there not the same as them.Basically their just ignorant ,narrow minded people,i think in some cases straight guys are intimidated by gay guys,i cant really figure out why i think it might be becuase you get alot of eccentric gay blokes and some straight guys are jealous of their confidence.I dont know,just a thought:laugh:
Every person who ive ever met whos been gay has always been really friendly,they just seem to want to get along with everyone and they dont judge us coz were straight so why should we judge them?

[Ann]

that is so true very good words said there :thumbs::thumbs:

[Ella]

Basically Homophobics are all cowards..The same as racists. They are just frightened because being Gay is not what they know.

One of my Brothers is Gay..He came out years ago and I wouldn't have him any other way! I can go shopping with him and he doesnt moan about waiting around! :tongue:

[Sam]

A short answer.

Because they're 'different'.

The same reason why people make fun of relgion and race.


It's really sad. Homphobics make me so angry

[Harry!]

I dont dislike them

[Ann]

Originally posted by Sam
A short answer.

Because they're 'different'.

The same reason why people make fun of relgion and race.


It's really sad. Homphobics make me so angry well said Sam :hug:

[supernoodles!]

some of the best bb housemates were gay,Richard,Brian,Gerry........

[Ann]

yes they were but nobody hated those did they then look at all the real famous stars out there where they still be their fans for what they do live on tv or on stage so why pick on normal public :thumbs:

[Harry!]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
some of the best bb housemates were gay,Richard,Brian,Gerry........
..............seany...........

[Ann]

yes because look at Elton John who got married to his Gay partner then theres George Michael and Dale Winton and Pete Burns then theres loads more out there that are Gay how come the public adore what they do and never call them for what their life is like they never cuss those down do they :conf2:

[SHAUNi-OX]

i love gay people woo big uo gays

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by postandpollmad
Originally posted by supernoodles!
some of the best bb housemates were gay,Richard,Brian,Gerry........
..............seany...........

yeah him too:wink:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by postandpollmad
Originally posted by supernoodles!
some of the best bb housemates were gay,Richard,Brian,Gerry........
..............seany...........

Shahbaz and Derek were the best 2 housemates ever. :laugh2:

[supernoodles!]

oh yeah shahbaz!!!how could i forget him he was hilarious lol
seeeee gays rule!gays make bb what it is!without them it wouldnt be the same:spin2:

[Retroman]

We shouldn't really think of them as gay people...
It sounds like we're addressing them as different. Ie. "those gays"
They just have different sexual preferences that's all.

We don't go around saying "those bondage people" or "those roleplaying people" anywhere near as much, so we shouldn't need to do it for homosexuals either.

Anyone ive ever come across who is a gay man though, has always been really nice and usually slightly feminate with makeup etc.

Whereas any lesbians ive come across are either really good looking man haters, or women who have short hair and wear mens clothes? and no makeup?

It does baffle me as to why the majority of gay men lean towards being like women, and the majority of lesbians lean towards being like men?
It's almost like a trans-gender thing.

But yea, people who hate gay people are usually narrow minded and can't find it within their brains to come to understand something that's different.

[Benji]

I didnt implicate anything in my post as to differenciate homosexual people from heterosexual people. - men and women who are gay, are 'Gay People', Whats wrong with calling them that? - Im not stereotyping them, nor am i "classing them" as being different. Everyone is equal.

[Retroman]

Originally posted by Benji
I didnt implicate anything in my post as to differenciate homosexual people from heterosexual people. - men and women who are gay, are 'Gay People', Whats wrong with calling them that? - Im not stereotyping them, nor am i "classing them" as being different. Everyone is equal.

Lol calm down there =] Im not looking for an argument, ive had enough of those lately.
I was mainly addressing someone who said "wooo big up gays" or something along those lines. So there's no need to get defensive.

And I myself said "gay people" so if I was having a go at you for anything, id be contradicting myself.

I was just saying, we should THINK of them less as "gay people"
But of course we have to type "gay people"when referring to them.

Their sexuality doesn't define who they are, so we don't have to look at them and think "gays" is what I was trying to say.

And the people who can't do that, are usually the one's who dislike them.

[Bells]

People are coming to terms with it more and more these days; as a result, I seem to notice more people who aren’t heterosexual – although that may well be because they don’t feel scared to speak up anymore. So I wouldn’t say people ‘dislike’ them, it’s just that they find it difficult to accept with it being different from the norm. Anyone who gives people with different sexual preferences a hard time (unkindly) is showing bullying qualities, something which unfortunately exists in some people… and their targets may well be different for any reason.

It’s not so much the same as racial discrimination in the sense that I know of people who are hesitant simply because they’ve been brought up with quite strong religious (Catholic) beliefs. But I think you should accept people for their personalities, as everyone is entitled to make their own decisions. I’m friends with a few people outside this area who happen to be either bisexual or gay.

[Benji]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by Benji
I didnt implicate anything in my post as to differenciate homosexual people from heterosexual people. - men and women who are gay, are 'Gay People', Whats wrong with calling them that? - Im not stereotyping them, nor am i "classing them" as being different. Everyone is equal.

Lol calm down there =] Im not looking for an argument, ive had enough of those lately.


lol

[Retroman]

Originally posted by Ash
It’s not so much the same as racial discrimination in the sense that I know of people who are hesitant simply because they’ve been brought up with quite strong religious (Catholic) beliefs. But I think you should accept people for their personalities, as everyone is entitled to make their own decisions. I’m friends with a few people outside this area who happen to be either bisexual or gay.

That being said...you can't ignore homophobic people?
There are plenty of people who beat up homosexuals whilst out getting drunk etc. And also people who find homosexuals disgusting.

A surprisingly large amount of older people are homophobic due to them being "set in their ways" and growing up in a society years ago where homosexual people weren't that common.

There's also a lot of young kids and teenagers who are uneducated on the subject and dislike gay people/pick on them etc.

Racial discrimination is highly frowned upon, much more so than homosexual discrimination. So sometimes less is done when someone who is homosexual suffers abuse in the streets, either verbal/physical.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by Ash
It’s not so much the same as racial discrimination in the sense that I know of people who are hesitant simply because they’ve been brought up with quite strong religious (Catholic) beliefs. But I think you should accept people for their personalities, as everyone is entitled to make their own decisions. I’m friends with a few people outside this area who happen to be either bisexual or gay.

That being said...you can't ignore homophobic people?
There are plenty of people who beat up homosexuals whilst out getting drunk etc. And also people who find homosexuals disgusting.

A surprisingly large amount of older people are homophobic due to them being "set in their ways" and growing up in a society years ago where homosexual people weren't that common.

There's also a lot of young kids and teenagers who are uneducated on the subject and dislike gay people/pick on them etc.

Racial discrimination is highly frowned upon, much more so than homosexual discrimination. So sometimes less is done when someone who is homosexual suffers abuse in the streets, either verbal/physical.

A lot of the increased violence in today’s world may well be a direct result of the greater proportion of people ‘coming out’ due to greater awareness and acceptance these days. Throughout history, differences in sexuality obviously existed, but was discouraged in the societies back then.

I definitely agree that you can’t ignore homophobic people; although, as mentioned previously, a few of them do feel the way they do because of religious beliefs. However, violent behaviour in the streets etc. should really be frowned upon and avoided at all costs, but it seems as if rowdy teenagers are becoming more common, especially in certain areas. It’s unfortunate that homosexuals can be targets for such people.

[Sunny_01]

I like to try and think of people as people regardless of their sexual orientation, it certainly isnt somehting I even think about very often to be fair.

I have friends who are Lesbians and were married in a civil ceremony last years, they are quite amazing and I think of the simply as my friends!

I think that as time goes on society if becmoing more tolerant and hopefully in years to come homophobia will be a thing of the past.

[Ruth]

Some people don't like gay people because they are bigoted, narrow-minded and ignorant. The same reason that some people don't like black people, or people of a particular religion.

[SiMoN!]

i dont mind gays at all - everyoen to there own

but just to put the other side of tyhe story across - people might no like them because thye can be seen as attention seeker (not all) i mean - liek being 'out there'. for some peopel it can be to much and it wil make them feel abit awckred (i cant spell thta word lol)

but some people cant just accept change, and i thin thye need to move on with the the world

[Kate..]

Homophobia is really silly

people judge you and dislike you on who you love :puzzled:

if everyone was gay instead of being straight and that's wat was "normal" then we would call the straight people weirdo's wouldn't we

judge people for their personality not who they wna be with :dance:

[Sod_James]

I dunno why but if ppl stopped hating gay ppl it wud make my life a hundred times better

[Benji]

Awww Why?

[Sod_James]

well cos im gay and i wouldnt get as much hastle.

[Benji]

how old are you?

[Sod_James]

just turned 20

[Benji]

Seriously, and your still getting hasseled? What do you do for a living?

[Sod_James]

Customer Service Assistant at Sainsbury's, posh way of saying checkout boy lol. Yeh u still get ppl who dont talk to ya cos your gay.

[Benji]

forgive me for saying this but when did you "Come out"

[Sod_James]

Lol erm well i didnt 'come out' all at once. i sorta told one person at first to see how they took it. then some more ppl then some more and so on. it was about when i was 18 i first told somone. My family dont know and never will know. Omg i shudder at the thought if they ever found out.

[Benji]

Forgive me again for saying this (and to stereotype) but, Dont you think your parents will have already found out by themselves? No girlfriends etc.?

Dont take offence, i know some people really get offended when i question the "Unquestionable" - I just say to them "Im outspoken and Controversial"

Im jsut interested to be honest. :)

[Sod_James]

Na thats fine. i would rather ppl ask me then just make assumptions. Well iv treid pretty hard to cover it up from my parents. I fink they might have wonderd but i sorta like talked myself out of it. Iv had gf's before just for the sake of keeping them happy even though the girl doesnt know im gay but i allways end it before it gets to serious. But in a way thats really really wrong on the girl.

[Benji]

Yeah it is!!!- lol -

Why dont you tell them?

[Sod_James]

Cos then they would probably kick me out the house and i would have no where to live. my parents are quite old fashioned u see.

dont worry i havent dated a girl in years simply because i felt bad.

[Benji]

Well to be honest, So what if there old fashioned? They surely Must love you, and must love you enough whatever sexuality you are. :-)

[Sod_James]

Yeh u wud think that. but honestly if my dad ever found out he would chuck me out the house then i would have no where to live.

[Benji]

Well im sure both your parents know your gay. Im sure it is scary to tell your parents your gay, but I think that you should tell them. You wont be kicked out. ow could anyone do that to there child? Your 20 Years old for god sake. (Im 17) stand up to your parents. :) If you get kicked out..Go to a relatives or friends house. - im sure it wont get to that ridiculous Stage. Im sure they will be fine about it and not make a big fuss at all.

Im bet your friends were fine about it.

[Sod_James]

Yeh but no offence untill u have been in the situation its a little harder than it sounds. (I dunno weva your straight or not)

Not all my friends were fine with it. i told this one mate and he hasnt spoke to me since.

[Benji]

well, he obviously wasnt a friend.

tbh, im straight, but i want to experiment. I think i am 75% Straight and 25% Gay.

So really im bi-sexual.

[Sod_James]

lol well i gotta go now. I got msn if u wanna chat. James.peter.c@hotmail.co.uk if u wanna add me or whatever.

[geoking66]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by Ash
It’s not so much the same as racial discrimination in the sense that I know of people who are hesitant simply because they’ve been brought up with quite strong religious (Catholic) beliefs. But I think you should accept people for their personalities, as everyone is entitled to make their own decisions. I’m friends with a few people outside this area who happen to be either bisexual or gay.

That being said...you can't ignore homophobic people?
There are plenty of people who beat up homosexuals whilst out getting drunk etc. And also people who find homosexuals disgusting.

A surprisingly large amount of older people are homophobic due to them being "set in their ways" and growing up in a society years ago where homosexual people weren't that common.

There's also a lot of young kids and teenagers who are uneducated on the subject and dislike gay people/pick on them etc.

Racial discrimination is highly frowned upon, much more so than homosexual discrimination. So sometimes less is done when someone who is homosexual suffers abuse in the streets, either verbal/physical.

It's not that there weren't many gay people back then, there were about the same number, but it's that almost nobody was open about it.

[KissyLittleMissy]

i guess that it is not considered normal by some people. all of my friends and family and indeed myself are hetrosexual, but i have met gay people and they dont seem to be different to me when i talk to them but if people dislike them then that is upto them

[12bigbrother12]

Why do people dislike Gay People?


Because they are ignorant idiots

[Benji]

Couldnt have put it nicer myself :) - well...I could have but, ya know!

[cujo-man]

My dad dislikes them.

Don't know what the hell his beef is with them but oh well, each to their own!

[Benji]

He is obviously narrow minded and sounds Arrogant, but ya...Each to there own - Why arnt people open minded?

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Benji
He is obviously narrow minded and sounds Arrogant, but you...Each to there own - Why arnt people open minded?

Yea he is a bit, but maybe its a generational thing?

[Retroman]

On the topic of gay people...
I still don't understand why the majority of gay men are feminine and wear "pretty clothes" and have girlish mannerisms etc.

And the majority of lesbians wear jeans, jumpers, are quite well built and have mens haircuts.

Btw im not stereotyping, ive met and seen many a gay person and this is true for the majority.

It's like some subtle transgender behaviour? they don't want a sex change, but they look and act like the opposite sex.

What is also odd, is most lesbians ive met in my life who don't look like men, are ridiculously pretty girls who are man haters. They're the types to not talk to men most of the time...
If you can't afford to meet any, browse myspace instead. There's a ridiculous amount of lesbians who won't talk to men and have huge paragraphs on how much they hate them, and freely ask for naked pics of other girls on their profiles. Which I assume is because they're sexually deprived.

Which begs me to think that perhaps men treating them badly turned them "gay" when infact they're not actually gay, they'd easily be with a man if one would treat them properly. That, plus the "subtle transgender" situation I mentioned earlier, makes me believe that some gay people can be quite mentally confused.

[cujo-man]

I have a question aswell. Why do so many people associate high voices with gay people. Its not like people with high voices can help it (by the way I actually have a really low voice, so its not like I'm offended by it).

Just seems really strange to me.

[XxShortyxX]

Well I am bisexual, and I don't really care if people don't like me because of my sexuality. I wont lose any sleep over it lol. I happy with who I am, normally the people who don't like it, are the ones hiding and lieing to theirselfs, because they are really in the closet.

[Z]

Originally posted by Sod_James
Yeh u would think that. but honestly if my dad ever found out he would chuck me out the house then i would have no where to live.


Unlike a lot of people, who probably assume it'd be very easy to do that, I can totally see where you're coming from James. If you think your parents are likely to hate you, or fall out with you over it, and that's not something you'd want to happen, don't tell them.


To be honest, I don't see the point in "coming out" to people beyond a social situation where you're letting people know your sexual orientation. Can anybody explain this to me? Like, why tell your parents - they don't need to know?

[Lauren]

You only ever need to tell your parents if you're unhappy leading a double life.

[Sticks]

Have only just seen this topic

Perhaps because some people resent the word "gay" being hijacked, it used to mean bright and colourful.

Remember the poem about children born on various days of the week, and particularly the child born on the Sabbath Day? (Actually Sunday is not the Sabbath but that is a side point)

But seriously

Whether we like it or not, most western society is nominally "Christian" and a number of countries of Moslem. There is only one Jewish state.

Now in all of the Monotheistic religions, homosexuallity is declared as a sin and an abomination before God. In the book of Romans Chapter one, depending on translation, it is described as a perversion.

Now in a society where at least one of the monotheistic religions is dominant, this will be part of the national psyche. We see this in other ways, people who will not step foot in an Anglican church, yet remonstrate if this underused church is hallmarked for closure, have the pews removed or institute a policy where they will only "Christen" or marry people who are regular members.

Now getting back to the OP, as the ethics of the Monotheistic religion is so ingrained in our society, people will see Gays as "deviating" from what they are taught is right and proper, and anyone breaking the perceived moral code must be a neardowell and someone who must be shunned.

I can not speak for Judaism or Islam, but what people forget, from the Christian perspective, is if we run with the contection that the Bible declares homosexuality as a sin (If you want I can give other passages from OT and NT than Romans 1), then why is this "sin" different from say fraud, lying or drukeness. People get selective about sins and forget that they might be involved in that which some might find beyond the pale.

"For all have sinned and all fall short of the Glory of God" Romans 3:23

[Benji]

Originally posted by Z
Originally posted by Sod_James
Yeh u would think that. but honestly if my dad ever found out he would chuck me out the house then i would have no where to live.


Unlike a lot of people, who probably assume it'd be very easy to do that, I can totally see where you're coming from James. If you think your parents are likely to hate you, or fall out with you over it, and that's not something you'd want to happen, don't tell them.


To be honest, I don't see the point in "coming out" to people beyond a social situation where you're letting people know your sexual orientation. Can anybody explain this to me? Like, why tell your parents - they don't need to know?


To be honest, why does any gay person need to declare themselves to be gay? I mean, its not as if a Heterosexual person comes out and says Im straight!...well, i hope you know what i mean - lol

I know i do - lol

[Lauren]

Sticks, you make a valid point - however, I am going to challenge it.

I know many homophobic people and none of them are religious in any sense of the word - infact, most religious people that I know (including practising Christians and Muslims) are more open to homosexuality existing.
I think that homophobia simply comes from socially constructed idealisms - homosexuality simply does not fit in with the utopian viewpoint of a father with a wife and children - and unfortunately some people take this utopia to a new level and resent homosexuals for this.

In recent times (last 30 years), I think it's become a feature of exaggerated masculinity amongst teenage and young men. By calling someone a homohobic name you're declaring yourself as ultimately straight - and therefore "more manly" in terms of the utopian ideal.

[Sticks]

Because someone is not outwardly religious, does not mean they are uninfluenced by a religious culture. As a test ask the non religious associates what they think of women priests. If any say it does not seem right, then it will be a dead giveaway that they have been subliminally indoctrinated.

Where does the utopean ideal come from, could it have come from the subliminal indoctrination of our culture by the monotheistic religions

As to the religious friends, they will be more highly aware of the various teachings about loving people and their own shortcomings so in theory will be more accommodating.

[:)tom:)]

i go to a religious school.
not many people realy care if somebodys gay or not they just accept it as its nodays its not uncommon to meet a gay person. there a a few that make jokes or some people wont talk to them but there the people who are religious so it depends on the person and belifes on what they have been brought up on.

[indiemusic]

Well i love gay people. It means not all the girls get taken:thumbs:. Surely these gay haters should think of the benefits:laugh: