What happens after death?

[Kate..]

I've never known the answer to this question...

and no one will ever know for sure i suppose

but what does everyone think??? :conf:

ghosts? Heaven? Nothing...?

:spin:

[Dr43%er]

Nothing. That's what I think.

[Harry!]

come back as something else...

[Conor]

I beleive in heaven, but I also beleive some people are left behind as ghosts/spirits.

[Sod_James]

I would like to fink of life after death but i fink the sad reality is that theres nothing there. You just die and thats it your life is over.

[Retroman]

People base heaven on writings in a book...
A book written by varied people, many many years ago, who we don't know enough about to even establish whether they were sane or not.

Nobody can say they know, not one person.
Nobody that's alive at least =]

As for my opinion, I think we just plain die.

Animals, insects and plant life are all forms of life...yet nobody associates any of them with heaven.

So why do humans get special treatment? why are our lives valued enough to transport us to a special place when we die?

Because we're the only life form intelligent enough to know we will die, and thus we live comfortably in a world of denial...where we insist that dying = going to the best place possible.

It's also very appropriate how all religious matters, places and people are either dead or invisible. No religiously miraculous people are alive today, such as an equivalent of Jesus or Moses..and God, Heaven etc are all magical places we cannot see.

In my view...
Heaven was invented when people didn't know what was in the sky.
Hell was invented when people didn't know what was deep below the ground.

Now we know about the universe, about molten lava and the earths core etc...we appropriately change our minds and say "heaven is on another plane, in a special invisible place outside of our world"

Not only that, but God created ten commandments for us to live by...
But then proceeds to say if we truly repent, he will forgive us.

So he made ten rules that you're allowed to break, as long as you're sorry =]
It's all based on conveniance, which comforts us into knowing we'll almost definitely get into heaven whether we live by gods rules or not.

Instead of accepting the truth that we will disappear and cease to exist.
That's my view anyway.

[Captain.Remy]

I trust in God but I think after death there is nothing, you are dead youa re dead for good.
But we don't know after all, we will see when our time is up lol

[Conor]

Nicley written Retroman!

But I also trust in God that there is heaven and life after death!

[supernoodles!]

I beleive that there must be something after death,you cannot just die and then that be it.I refuse to believe that but maybe its just wishful thinking lol.I beleive in ghosts but I am uncertain as to wether or not i beleive that everyone becomes a ghost after death,and as for heaven and hell,i dont know?I sure do hope not!lol
(not that ive ever done anything REALLY bad or anything lol)

[Kate..]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I would like to fink of life after death but i fink the sad reality is that theres nothing there. You just die and thats it your life is over.

that's my view too its a shame

allso scary when you know someone that's died:sad:

[Sarah.]

You just end up 6 feet under.

[Ruth*Star]

I always thought you'd come back as someone else, like you go and start again as a baby.

[Scarlett.]

its silly saying there is nothing

[Kate..]

nothings really silly cause no one can no for sure

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Retroman
People base heaven on writings in a book...
A book written by varied people, many many years ago, who we don't know enough about to even establish whether they were sane or not.

Nobody can say they know, not one person.
Nobody that's alive at least =]

As for my opinion, I think we just plain die.

Animals, insects and plant life are all forms of life...yet nobody associates any of them with heaven.

So why do humans get special treatment? why are our lives valued enough to transport us to a special place when we die?

Because we're the only life form intelligent enough to know we will die, and thus we live comfortably in a world of denial...where we insist that dying = going to the best place possible.

It's also very appropriate how all religious matters, places and people are either dead or invisible. No religiously miraculous people are alive today, such as an equivalent of Jesus or Moses..and God, Heaven etc are all magical places we cannot see.

In my view...
Heaven was invented when people didn't know what was in the sky.
Hell was invented when people didn't know what was deep below the ground.

Now we know about the universe, about molten lava and the earths core etc...we appropriately change our minds and say "heaven is on another plane, in a special invisible place outside of our world"

Not only that, but God created ten commandments for us to live by...
But then proceeds to say if we truly repent, he will forgive us.

So he made ten rules that you're allowed to break, as long as you're sorry =]
It's all based on conveniance, which comforts us into knowing we'll almost definitely get into heaven whether we live by gods rules or not.

Instead of accepting the truth that we will disappear and cease to exist.
That's my view anyway.

That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too:sad:

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

[Retroman]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too:sad:

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Lol my statement wasn't to imply the bible could possibly be made by insane people, but more to point out that people/characters who we really didn't know, are to blame for the books presence in our world. And im not sure im willing to trust any faith to the book those men produced.

Blasphemous? it's all well and good claiming im offending your beliefs, but perhaps your views are offending mine?
You can't make out im condeming your religion because I disagree with it, unless you're willing to admit you're condeming my views too.

I told you what I believe, in the same way you told me what you believe...so I don't think we should be dragging blasphemy into the situation. Not unless I told you that you were wrong in what you believe.

As for insects/plants knowing they'll die, they don't have access to thoughts of such a level...plants don't have any "knowing" or "thoughts" at all, and insects aren't much better.

Animals know they'll die to a certain extent, their instinct tells them that if they're injured they may die...but their brains don't tell them that growing old = death. But I suppose you can argue that im not an animal so how should I know? but neither of us are animals, so I guess our views on that are equally pointless lol.

Radio waves are scientifically proven, we know they're there because we can view them through technology.

"If you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole"

Im sorry but I think that was highly wrong of you to say. You're practically saying that because you believe in god, that means you're 100% right and I [a non believer.] need forgiveness for being blind.

You can't force your beliefs on me like that and tell me I need forgiving, that's not your place to do so sorry.

As for billions, there's only 6 billion people in the world...
Are you telling me billions of those are christians just like you? in todays world? most unlikely. Also, just because many people believe what you believe doesn't mean a thing, just as many people are non religious too =] or believe in different religions to you, so that's irrelevant.


"heaven and hell is there"
This is a debate. If you're wanting to debate, you can't pass off your own beliefs as truth like that...that's not how a debate works. Heaven and hell is there for YOU yes, but not for everyone. So that thought is best left in your head.


"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us"

How do we officially know it's there? if only dead people can see it? that's impossible. Also, what magic rule allows this place to be visible to only dead people? how can that happen? you can't explain it..hence why I don't think it's true.

Have you noticed that everything that exists has an explanation? and all the things that don't exist such as santa/monsters etc have no explanation? and religion has no proper explanation either.


"To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion,"

So I guess you know gods ways do you? then please tell me his ways and how he works =]

I know fully about gods so called "ways" as all his "ways" are written down for all to see. Unless you're claiming you have had a godly experience where he revealed his ways to you...?
Otherwise you know as much about god as anyone else who can read.

[spitfire]

Until i see proof i believe in nowt.So imo when your dead thats it,game over.So enjoy it whilst you can guys.:banana:

[spitfire]

One thing i do find freaky is,if you take 1 letter from good you get god,if you add one leter to evil you get devil!:conf2:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy

That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too:sad:

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Sorry, but Christianity, like other religions is just pagan sun worship where the sun has been given a name and a human persona.

[Sunny_01]

I wish we knew for sure what happens!

I "choose" to believe that there is something else, not necessarily angels and harps, but some kind of re-birth or somewhere that our souls go!

I would never assume to force my beliefs, religious persuasions onto anyone else, we all have our own thoughts and beliefs. Just because someone else has a different opinion to me on this doesnt mean they are wrong, just means they think differently to me.

[supernoodles!]

i dont wish i knew what happens it would be so so so scary if we knew that say heaven and hell existed or that we were reincarnated i mean who wants to be an animal??

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
i dont wish i knew what happens it would be so so so scary if we knew that say heaven and hell existed or that we were reincarnated i mean who wants to be an animal??

me I would love to be an animal, but only a pampered pet lol.

Seriously though I understand why you would not want to know what happens, it is quite a scary thought to be fair.

[gracie24]

I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

[Kate..]

its a scary thought especially when you know someone that's died i mean what if u knew that out there they were a worm or something lol

[Sticks]

According to Christian theology, and taken from Luke 16, When a person dies their soul goes to Hades, the Greek abode of the dead - good or bad, (The hebrew equivelant is Sheol). Hades is divided into two, Abraham's Bosom or Paradise where the Blessed dead are, and Torment where the others go. Some refer to this place as Tartarus, where in Greek Mythology, it was as far below Hades as the Earth was below Heaven. It was where the Titans who tried to overthrow Zeus were imprisoned. Tartarus is also mentioned in one of the Peter epistles as the place where angels who rebelled were kept in chains in darkness (interesting parallel with Greek Mythology)

At the end of time, those in Abraham's Bosom go to Heaven and those in Tartarus go to Gehenna (Hell). Incidentally Gehenna comes from the name of a valley South West of Jerusalem, where in Old Testament times, infant children were burned alive in sacrifice to the false god Molech. It subsequently became the local rubbish dump and was constantly burning a slow burn, hence the identification with the place of eternal punishment.

If you are in Christ you go to paradice and subsequently Heaven, otherwise you end up in Hell. In Christian theology, Hebrews 9:27 (If I have the right citation) rules out reincarnation, which is Hinduism, which I may discuss later.

[lemon-squeezy]

Originally posted by Sticks
According to Christian theology, and taken from Luke 16, When a person dies their soul goes to Hades, the Greek abode of the dead - good or bad, (The hebrew equivelant is Sheol). Hades is divided into two, Abraham's Bosom or Paradise where the Blessed dead are, and Torment where the others go. Some refer to this place as Tartarus, where in Greek Mythology, it was as far below Hades as the Earth was below Heaven. It was where the Titans who tried to overthrow Zeus were imprisoned. Tartarus is also mentioned in one of the Peter epistles as the place where angels who rebelled were kept in chains in darkness (interesting parallel with Greek Mythology)

which points out one of the many contradictive aspect of the bible, if you accept there is a "hades" you should also believe in more than one god-like entity like the greeks did. lets face it the modern bible bears no resemblance to the message that was originally intended because half of it is "lost in translation" and the other half of it is King James's propaganda.

I'm sure there is another existence after this physical life.

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too:sad:

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Lol my statement wasn't to imply the bible could possibly be made by insane people, but more to point out that people/characters who we really didn't know, are to blame for the books presence in our world. And Im not sure Im willing to trust any faith to the book those men produced.

Blasphemous? it's all well and good claiming Im offending your beliefs, but perhaps your views are offending mine?
You can't make out Im condeming your religion because I disagree with it, unless you're willing to admit you're condeming my views too.

I told you what I believe, in the same way you told me what you believe...so I don't think we should be dragging blasphemy into the situation. Not unless I told you that you were wrong in what you believe.

As for insects/plants knowing they'll die, they don't have access to thoughts of such a level...plants don't have any "knowing" or "thoughts" at all, and insects aren't much better.

Animals know they'll die to a certain extent, their instinct tells them that if they're injured they may die...but their brains don't tell them that growing old = death. But I suppose you can argue that Im not an animal so how should I know? but neither of us are animals, so I guess our views on that are equally pointless lol.

Radio waves are scientifically proven, we know they're there because we can view them through technology.

"If you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole"

Im sorry but I think that was highly wrong of you to say. You're practically saying that because you believe in god, that means you're 100% right and I [a non believer.] need forgiveness for being blind.

You can't force your beliefs on me like that and tell me I need forgiving, that's not your place to do so sorry.

As for billions, there's only 6 billion people in the world...
Are you telling me billions of those are christians just like you? in todays world? most unlikely. Also, just because many people believe what you believe doesn't mean a thing, just as many people are non religious too =] or believe in different religions to you, so that's irrelevant.

"heaven and hell is there"
This is a debate. If you're wanting to debate, you can't pass off your own beliefs as truth like that...that's not how a debate works. Heaven and hell is there for YOU yes, but not for everyone. So that thought is best left in your head.

"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us"

How do we officially know it's there? if only dead people can see it? that's impossible. Also, what magic rule allows this place to be visible to only dead people? how can that happen? you can't explain it..hence why I don't think it's true.

Have you noticed that everything that exists has an explanation? and all the things that don't exist such as santa/monsters etc have no explanation? and religion has no proper explanation either.

"To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion,"

So I guess you know gods ways do you? then please tell me his ways and how he works =]

I know fully about gods so called "ways" as all his "ways" are written down for all to see. Unless you're claiming you have had a godly experience where he revealed his ways to you...?
Otherwise you know as much about god as anyone else who can read.

i said your ideas bout the bible were almost blasphemous, i just assumed from what you implied that you were atheist and a non believer and were rubbishing the bible by pointing out that it could have been written by insane people which aint nice really:sad: how could a book which has been passed down through the ages and created such a following be written by insane people, i neverccould come up with that assumption now way man

you did offend my beliefs and anybody who shares my beliefs would be horrified at what you said:sad: its awful, how could you even come up with it retroman, what are you!! i dont care if i offend you in return, i dont care who i ofend as anyone saying insanity may possibly be in the mind of writings such as those has to be aitheist, evry thing you have said tells us that, shame on you:mad:

you say that insects and plants dont have the thoughts to know such things ii dont understand that either, nobody can say that as nobody is an insect/animal or plant. so if a tree gets hit by an axe and some bark falls off, the tree wont be feeling anything, nobody knows that,nobody so i wont be fooled no way

i mentioned radio waves as that example was said at school when a kid spoke bout God being invisible, so our teacher used that example i am sure the technology that you mentioned can prove it

anybody who is a true believer of God and belives the bible like i do and read what you are discussing would be a bit upset personally. i understand that, not very nice and upsetting. i am not forcing my beliefs onto you, i am just disgusted in some of what you are implying and suspecting, we can suspect that certain stories in the bible are nothing more than a made up story, but anything more than that opinion is almost blasphemy like i said it is. you are defo a nonbeliever and i am completely different and believe, so this discusuuion is going to be difficult on that basis

i said that you need forgiveness as i think you do really for not understanding faith and totally ignoring the feelings of billions of believers, i realise that many believers dont spend their entire lifes praying n stuff but in their own way, they do still believe and feel the presence of God in some way, also i dont care whether 6 billion people in world, that doesnt matter really, im not talking primelily bout christians either. what ever religion someone believes in their is always a God

i said that"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us" cause its true, when you are alive we cant see our soul rise from our body and when your dead, that would be the only time youd find that out. I know that when things whch exist we have an explaniation but that is because its physiaclly there. Santa does exist, (remember children read forums):wink: monsters like loch ness monster could have existed once but today it would be dead, perhaps one of the last remaining dinopsaurs

i read your last piece and all i can say that your aitheist views cannot comprehend what true believers know as real. god is real and god is there, you must have lost all of your faith or summin? any priest or vicar or nun would understand and the billions who feel the same are blessed and i do feel blessed while you obviously feel left out

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by gracie24
I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

i think that atheists are just people who have lost all their faith in anything and have just closed their mind completely and thats sad and upsetting. i do take offence and you are right bout me being brought up that way and believing in God, my family is just like that way but were not religious nuts or anythin. i think there is a hereafter and our soul goes on, why not? if some want to be atheist and believe in no hereafter, thats a shame and a disgrace:mad:

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy

That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too:sad:

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Sorry, but Christianity, like other religions is just pagan sun worship where the sun has been given a name and a human persona.

i dont get that sorry? the pagan sun being given a name?

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by spitfire
One thing i do find freaky is,if you take 1 letter from good you get god,if you add one leter to evil you get devil!:conf2:

thats freaky:bawling:

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by SumminAboutKate
its a scary thought especially when you know someone that's died i mean what if u knew that out there they were a worm or something lol

i dont want to come back as a worm, not thankyou. so horrible and slimey and burrowing in the soil, thats no life at all, but for the worm thats all they know

[Shaun]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
shame on you:mad:

No. Not shame on him. He's entitled to his opinion.

[gracie24]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by gracie24
I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

i think that atheists are just people who have lost all their faith in anything and have just closed their mind completely and thats sad and upsetting. i do take offence and you are right bout me being brought up that way and believing in God, my family is just like that way but were not religious nuts or anythin. i think there is a hereafter and our soul goes on, why not? if some want to be atheist and believe in no hereafter, thats a shame and a disgrace:mad:

It is certainly not is disgrace if someone doesn't believe in God. You've got that so very wrong.
Surely you must realise that God wants everyone to be treated equally no matter what?
I just can't help that you're looking down on me just because I don't go to Church on Sunday and I'm actually questioning Religion and I find that highly offensive.
You're no better than me just because you believe in God and I don't, we're equal and it'll always be like that.
You've probably never questioned Religion or any other belief before, so you have a very blinkered view of how things "are".
I very much belief what Karl Jung has to say about Religion. Life after death (so I don't get off-topic too much) is very much based on Religion as it differs between them all.

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
shame on you:mad:

No. Not shame on him. He's entitled to his opinion.

okay its his opinion but i still feel its almost blasphemous. its not the way i was brought up and i dont want to understand atheism and nor should anyone:mad:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
shame on you:mad:

No. Not shame on him. He's entitled to his opinion.

okay its his opinion but i still feel its almost blasphemous. its not the way i was brought up and i dont want to understand atheism and nor should anyone:mad:

Anyone and everyone should be allowed to understand, and perhaps believe, in atheism if they want to, without attack from Christians.

[gracie24]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Anyone and everyone should be allowed to understand, and perhaps believe, in atheism if they want to, without attack from Christians.

Exactly!!!

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by gracie24
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by gracie24
I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

i think that atheists are just people who have lost all their faith in anything and have just closed their mind completely and thats sad and upsetting. i do take offence and you are right bout me being brought up that way and believing in God, my family is just like that way but were not religious nuts or anythin. i think there is a hereafter and our soul goes on, why not? if some want to be atheist and believe in no hereafter, thats a shame and a disgrace:mad:

It is certainly not is disgrace if someone doesn't believe in God. You've got that so very wrong.
Surely you must realise that God wants everyone to be treated equally no matter what?
I just can't help that you're looking down on me just because I don't go to Church on Sunday and I'm actually questioning Religion and I find that highly offensive.
You're no better than me just because you believe in God and I don't, we're equal and it'll always be like that.
You've probably never questioned Religion or any other belief before, so you have a very blinkered view of how things "are".
I very much belief what Karl Jung has to say about Religion. Life after death (so I don't get off-topic too much) is very much based on Religion as it differs between them all.

im not looking down on you because your not going to church, i never said that. i dont go to church on sundays, but i have been to church before though and when i am in there i just know there is a God, i just know. people who do believe just know and cant provide any facts. this subject shouldnt be started, it was about what happens after death, but has moved on to bible being written by insane people and opinions bout God not existing? that shouldnt be questioned he does exist and that is why we are here and all the people must know that except the sad atheists who choose to believe otherwise:mad:

i know that God would want evryone to be treated equally, but many of us question that rule when it comes to individuals who enjoy harming other people, should we treat bad people the same as good people? not really:mad: but forgiveness is important and that is something which religious people take on board

if you think i have been harsh to you gracie it is not personal, it is just that i feel strongly bout this subject. please dont fall out with me over this i just had to say my piece in my way and my way is here in this thread regardless of disagreements

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
shame on you:mad:

No. Not shame on him. He's entitled to his opinion.

okay its his opinion but i still feel its almost blasphemous. its not the way i was brought up and i dont want to understand atheism and nor should anyone:mad:

Anyone and everyone should be allowed to understand, and perhaps believe, in atheism if they want to, without attack from Christians.

thats too bad really, the massive majority billions i might add wont feel the same as atheists do and if you think im bad, you aint seen nothin yet:mad:

[Shaun]

Will you stop it with the angry smiley? I'm not inviting a crowd of angry Christians to tackle me on. I'm agnostic, not atheist, and to be quite honest the ignorance of other opinions and utter narrow-mindedness you're showing as a Christian is just the type of religious extremism that's made me completely non-caring in my attitude to religion.

[gracie24]

Okay fair enough, but that's the impression I got from what you were saying.

You're calling me sad, a disgrace, just because of what I believe in. If anybody said that to me, I would be offended, not just because it's you and you are a devout Christian. If anybody from any Religion said that to me I would take offense.

The posts have gone slightly off-topic to the inital question, but you can't deny that life after death does have a lot to do with what Religion you belong to and whether you do believe in God or not. Also the Bible, the Bible does not mention an awful lot about life after death, so it is understandable why people do question the Bible because it does not give us all the answers that we need for our questions.

I'm so fascinated by Religion and the Philosophy of it, I'm not stupid when it comes to talk about Religion and I'm actually studying Life after Death in my classes right now so I do have some knowledge on different perspectives on it.

You've just said yourself that you're questioning God's rule of Him wanting to treat everyone equally, that's all other people are doing, they're questioning God's teachings and rules and his existance. Just like you've questioned one of his rules.

I know it's not exactly personal, but you're criticising the category that I belong to when it comes to beliefs and I take slight offense when it comes to that.
I'm not going to fall out with you over it but I'm not going to back down either. You say your piece, you say your opinion, you state your argument and I will do the same.
It's just a discussion at the end of the day, Religion is obviously quite a bit part in your life and your passionate about it. I'm passionate about it too, but for very different reasons than yourself.

[Sticks]

With these kind of arguments, I can see why a board I post on has a no religion and politics rule.

Is this something we should consider here?

[gracie24]

I'm not really arguing, just having a discussion, a debate :)

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Will you stop it with the angry smiley? I'm not inviting a crowd of angry Christians to tackle me on. I'm agnostic, not atheist, and to be quite honest the ignorance of other opinions and utter narrow-mindedness you're showing as a Christian is just the type of religious extremism that's made me completely non-caring in my attitude to religion.

as this discussion has turned from what happens after death to something only an atheist could think up, i have said what i said in return and that is that opinions about the bible being written by insane people is ludicrous also opinions that God is not real and we are just here and thats that is crazy:puzzled:

i will use any smily i want bugsy, so dont start on me right:mad: there are, another angry one right:mad:

nobody is asking you to get involved in a discussion with loads of Christians, where do you see all these christians. i am church of england myself, but catholics, jews, arabs, muslims, whatever dont matter. if someone believes in a bible and a God that is their rights to do so and that is the right way. if you want to be atheist then expect a war

i dont care about your opinions of narrowminded views, so what is my view of atheists then, yes youve guessed

[Shaun]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Will you stop it with the angry smiley? I'm not inviting a crowd of angry Christians to tackle me on. I'm agnostic, not atheist, and to be quite honest the ignorance of other opinions and utter narrow-mindedness you're showing as a Christian is just the type of religious extremism that's made me completely non-caring in my attitude to religion.

as this discussion has turned from what happens after death to something only an atheist could think up, i have said what i said in return and that is that opinions about the bible being written by insane people is ludicrous also opinions that God is not real and we are just here and thats that is crazy:puzzled:

i will use any smily i want bugsy, so dont start on me right:mad: there are, another angry one right:mad:

nobody is asking you to get involved in a discussion with loads of Christians, where do you see all these christians. i am church of england myself, but catholics, jews, arabs, muslims, whatever dont matter. if someone believes in a bible and a God that is their rights to do so and that is the right way. if you want to be atheist then expect a war

i dont care about your opinions of narrowminded views, so what is my view of atheists then, yes youve guessed

I'm not "starting on you", I'm just pointing out that aggressive behaviour is against the rules, but apparently you 'dont care'. :) Now stop putting words in my mouth.

Anyway, back on topic - I really don't know what happens after death, and nobody ever can do.

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by gracie24
Okay fair enough, but that's the impression I got from what you were saying.

You're calling me sad, a disgrace, just because of what I believe in. If anybody said that to me, I would be offended, not just because it's you and you are a devout Christian. If anybody from any Religion said that to me I would take offense.

The posts have gone slightly off-topic to the inital question, but you can't deny that life after death does have a lot to do with what Religion you belong to and whether you do believe in God or not. Also the Bible, the Bible does not mention an awful lot about life after death, so it is understandable why people do question the Bible because it does not give us all the answers that we need for our questions.

I'm so fascinated by Religion and the Philosophy of it, I'm not stupid when it comes to talk about Religion and I'm actually studying Life after Death in my classes right now so I do have some knowledge on different perspectives on it.

You've just said yourself that you're questioning God's rule of Him wanting to treat everyone equally, that's all other people are doing, they're questioning God's teachings and rules and his existance. Just like you've questioned one of his rules.

I know it's not exactly personal, but you're criticising the category that I belong to when it comes to beliefs and I take slight offense when it comes to that.
I'm not going to fall out with you over it but I'm not going to back down either. You say your piece, you say your opinion, you state your argument and I will do the same.
It's just a discussion at the end of the day, Religion is obviously quite a bit part in your life and your passionate about it. I'm passionate about it too, but for very different reasons than yourself.

i dont mind subjects running astray but i am offended by these atheists views and if you are offended by mine then i can only apologise to you personally it is a badsubject true

about life after death, that applies to everybody with any view about religion. i have said what i think. i do say that such things in the bible need questioning, i gave an example earlier which you picked up on. i do understand from what you say that you have strong views contrary to true believers in God and that makes it difficult to debate understandably, sorry for destress i may have caused you gracie, like you I feel strongly over this subject for my own reasons as do you

The bible cant cover everything, i do think that a lot is stories and i shall not deny that but the overal basis of its meaning is true. remember when john lennon said that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus, americans went mad and the beatles had to apologise. many countries in arab states wouldnt tolerate these views of atheism and some of the other opinions that get voiced in uk forum or even on speakers corner in hyde park london either. they would be arrested and rightly so

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by Sticks
With these kind of arguments, I can see why a board I post on has a no religion and politics rule.

Is this something we should consider here?

i dont think all discussions on religion and politics can get that hairy, but i did talk about them subjsects at school and they were interesting and not so serene generally

[KissyLittleMissy]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Will you stop it with the angry smiley? I'm not inviting a crowd of angry Christians to tackle me on. I'm agnostic, not atheist, and to be quite honest the ignorance of other opinions and utter narrow-mindedness you're showing as a Christian is just the type of religious extremism that's made me completely non-caring in my attitude to religion.

as this discussion has turned from what happens after death to something only an atheist could think up, i have said what i said in return and that is that opinions about the bible being written by insane people is ludicrous also opinions that God is not real and we are just here and thats that is crazy:puzzled:

i will use any smily i want bugsy, so dont start on me right:mad: there are, another angry one right:mad:

nobody is asking you to get involved in a discussion with loads of Christians, where do you see all these christians. i am church of england myself, but catholics, jews, arabs, muslims, whatever dont matter. if someone believes in a bible and a God that is their rights to do so and that is the right way. if you want to be atheist then expect a war

i dont care about your opinions of narrowminded views, so what is my view of atheists then, yes youve guessed

I'm not "starting on you", I'm just pointing out that aggressive behaviour is against the rules, but apparently you 'dont care'. :) Now stop putting words in my mouth.

Anyway, back on topic - I really don't know what happens after death, and nobody ever can do.

where did you say it is against the rules? i feel strongly about somethin which you feel the opposite bout, where is the wrong in that. your attitude to me is quite agressive actually. as i saw in a recent thread about new members being bad, i guess this is your authority being shown here right

we both know that living people will never know what happens after death but my religious beliefs tell me that we do go to a better place once we have ended here okay:mad:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by bugsy2301
Will you stop it with the angry smiley? I'm not inviting a crowd of angry Christians to tackle me on. I'm agnostic, not atheist, and to be quite honest the ignorance of other opinions and utter narrow-mindedness you're showing as a Christian is just the type of religious extremism that's made me completely non-caring in my attitude to religion.

as this discussion has turned from what happens after death to something only an atheist could think up, i have said what i said in return and that is that opinions about the bible being written by insane people is ludicrous also opinions that God is not real and we are just here and thats that is crazy:puzzled:

i will use any smily i want bugsy, so dont start on me right:mad: there are, another angry one right:mad:

nobody is asking you to get involved in a discussion with loads of Christians, where do you see all these christians. i am church of england myself, but catholics, jews, arabs, muslims, whatever dont matter. if someone believes in a bible and a God that is their rights to do so and that is the right way. if you want to be atheist then expect a war

i dont care about your opinions of narrowminded views, so what is my view of atheists then, yes youve guessed

I'm not "starting on you", I'm just pointing out that aggressive behaviour is against the rules, but apparently you 'dont care'. :) Now stop putting words in my mouth.

Anyway, back on topic - I really don't know what happens after death, and nobody ever can do.

where did you say it is against the rules? i feel strongly about somethin which you feel the opposite bout, where is the wrong in that. your attitude to me is quite agressive actually. as i saw in a recent thread about new members being bad, i guess this is your authority being shown here right

we both know that living people will never know what happens after death but my religious beliefs tell me that we do go to a better place once we have ended here okay:mad:

When did I say it wasn't OK? You really need to calm down. I respect your religious beliefs, but I don't agree with them. That's that.

And it's against the rules of the forum to act insulting or aggressive towards any other member. As for me acting aggressive, we'll leave it to the moderators to decide that. Reported.

[Retroman]

KissyLittleMissy im surprised you're not banned for such words.

You're constantly shouting beliefs at people and putting ":mad:" that smiley everywhere. Which is very immature and ironic...as you're the only one in this topic who's actually saying anything that people should be angry about.


Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said your ideas bout the bible were almost blasphemous, i just assumed from what you implied that you were atheist and a non believer and were rubbishing the bible by pointing out that it could have been written by insane people which aint nice really:sad: how could a book which has been passed down through the ages and created such a following be written by insane people, i neverccould come up with that assumption now way man

No way man? lol...you don't provide much of an argument do you. How do you know what mental state the writers of the bible were in? I never said they were insane, as ive already mentioned...I was reminding everyone that we don't know the people that wrote it, so how can we trust the writings of complete strangers?

You're placing almost all of your biblical beliefs in a book written by people you don't remotely know. That in itself is foolish, in my eyes.

Anyway, I already explained I wasn't saying the bible was written by insane people in my last post. Yet still you insist on putting sad smileys and making out im condeming your religion yet again. Which seems like the actions of a spoilt little girl im afraid.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
you did offend my beliefs and anybody who shares my beliefs would be horrified at what you said:sad: its awful, how could you even come up with it retroman, what are you!! i dont care if i offend you in return, i dont care who i ofend as anyone saying insanity may possibly be in the mind of writings such as those has to be aitheist, evry thing you have said tells us that, shame on you:mad:

Again with the sad smileys, it is quite clear that you're easily capable of becoming angry and frustrated, so please don't pretend you're sat there feeling upset and crying..I simply won't fall for it. Also, I never posted anything remotely offensive, I merely told you what I believe.

So please stop trying to make people feel sorry for you by trying to pass me off as some sort of blasphemous non believer.

And you should especially stop saying such things as "what are you!! how could you come up with it! I dont care if I offend you, I don't care who I offend, shame on you" etc

I haven't said anything remotely insulting, just expressed my views on life after death. Yet you're purposefully going out of your way to try and insult me [which you admitted.] Why is this? It really doesn't make sense. You're even potentially calling me insane?

What on earth is wrong with you?
You're launching a full scale attack on my opinion, without even the slightest hint of me provoking you. You have serious issues. And I suggest you stop the amateur dramatics.


Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
you say that insects and plants dont have the thoughts to know such things ii dont understand that either, nobody can say that as nobody is an insect/animal or plant. so if a tree gets hit by an axe and some bark falls off, the tree wont be feeling anything, nobody knows that,nobody so i wont be fooled no way

You are officially clueless.
It's scientific fact that tree's don't feel anything...they don't have a developed brain to pass signals of feeling or a nervous system. They're incapable of feeling. So get your facts straight before you argue about things you clearly know nothing about.


Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i mentioned radio waves as that example was said at school when a kid spoke bout God being invisible, so our teacher used that example i am sure the technology that you mentioned can prove it

Your teacher proved nothing. Sound waves can be proven through various methods, so we know they're there. Heaven can't be proven, so they're two entirely unrelated things.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
anybody who is a true believer of God and belives the bible like i do and read what you are discussing would be a bit upset personally. i understand that, not very nice and upsetting. i am not forcing my beliefs onto you, i am just disgusted in some of what you are implying and suspecting, we can suspect that certain stories in the bible are nothing more than a made up story, but anything more than that opinion is almost blasphemy like i said it is. you are defo a nonbeliever and i am completely different and believe, so this discusuuion is going to be difficult on that basis

Most mature believers would accept my opinion. Christianity is not about condeming all non believers and telling them they need forgiveness from god like you told me. Anyone who is a half decent person doesn't take offense when someone announces they believe something different to them.

I actually can't believe you're still calling my opinion "blasphemy"
Do you even know what the word means?
You act as if I walked into a church and told everyone how wrong they are.

This topic is to express each individuals thoughts on life after death, it's not for Christians to call atheists "blasphemous"
This is nothing short of a personal attack, and id urge you to stop.


Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said that you need forgiveness as i think you do really for not understanding faith and totally ignoring the feelings of billions of believers

Excuse me?
Did I say I ignored the feelings of anyone? I think not.
I don't agree with them, but I don't go out of my way to tell them they're all wrong either.
Stop making out im attacking the entire christian population of the planet, it's just a simple case of you going WAY overboard to try and make me look bad. Very child like behaviour if ever I saw it.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said that"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us" cause its true, when you are alive we cant see our soul rise from our body and when your dead, that would be the only time youd find that out. I know that when things whch exist we have an explaniation but that is because its physiaclly there. Santa does exist, (remember children read forums):wink: monsters like loch ness monster could have existed once but today it would be dead, perhaps one of the last remaining dinopsaurs

"Cause its true" ?
How can you say that in the middle of a debate? lol, that's just ridiculous. How do you know it's true if you've never died?
You even said in a seperate post that nobody can know what happens after death, but in this post you're telling me it's fact?

You contradict yourself.

The loch ness monster could have existed but now it's dead = God and heaven must exist? LOL
What are you talking about?

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i read your last piece and all i can say that your aitheist views cannot comprehend what true believers know as real. god is real and god is there, you must have lost all of your faith or summin? any priest or vicar or nun would understand and the billions who feel the same are blessed and i do feel blessed while you obviously feel left out

If true believers know it as real, then why don't they prove it?
If someone 100% knows something without doubt, then there's always proof. If there is no proof, then you don't know.

As for losing my faith, my whole point is that I never had any faith in the first place. Faith/belief = uncertainty. I don't base my whole life on uncertainties..which is my own personal choice. And is not an attack on christianity like you're making out for some illogical reason.

As for me feeling left out...
If I felt left out id become a christian wouldn't I?
So you clearly don't have a clue what you're typing half the time, as it never seems to make any sense.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy

i dont get that sorry? the pagan sun being given a name?

Ok, posted it before but...

Who is this .... ??



Born of a virgin

Birthday Celebrated on December 25

His coming was announced by three kings

They followed a star in the east to his resting place

Baptised aged 12 folowing standard ritual and custom

Disappears for 18 years

Reappears at aged 30 and is baptised again

Baptiser was later decapitated

Starts his own ministry

Has 12 disciples

Perorms a Sermon on the mount

Is transfigured on the mount before his 12 disciples

Performs miracles, walks on water, raises the dead, heals the sick

Is betrayed by one of his desciples

Is crucified

after 3 days rises from the dead and ascends into heaven

Known by many names including the "Son Of God", "Son Of man" "The Truth and The Light"
"The Good Shepherd" " The Lamb Of God" "The Ressurection and The Life"

Worshippers end their prayers with "Amen"

[Sunny_01]

Warning issued to Kissylittlemissy for offensive posts and attacks on other members.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Ok, posted it before but...

Who is this .... ??



Born of a virgin

Birthday Celebrated on December 25

His coming was announced by three kings

They followed a star in the east to his resting place

Baptised aged 12 folowing standard ritual and custom

Disappears for 18 years

Reappears at aged 30 and is baptised again

Baptiser was later decapitated

Starts his own ministry

Has 12 disciples

Perorms a Sermon on the mount

Is transfigured on the mount before his 12 disciples

Performs miracles, walks on water, raises the dead, heals the sick

Is betrayed by one of his desciples

Is crucified

after 3 days rises from the dead and ascends into heaven

Known by many names including the "Son Of God", "Son Of man" "The Truth and The Light"
"The Good Shepherd" " The Lamb Of God" "The Ressurection and The Life"

Worshippers end their prayers with "Amen"

Is this a reference to Akanatan the heretic Pharaoh? ?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
Originally posted by gracie24
I've studied so many different Philosophers ideas on life after death that they all make sense but I'm still not fully sure what I believe in.
I don't really believe in white, fluffy, angel type heaven though.

KissyLittleMissy - just because people do not believe in God, or are atheists, does not mean that they are bad people, or ignorant people. Many people find comfort in believing in God, which is probably how you've been bought up or chosen to make that decision yourself. You shouldn't take an offence to someone being an atheist as I do not get upset or offended because you believe in God. Religion is a comfort thing, such as actually beliving in life after death, that you can communicate with your loved ones once they've passed away, a lot of people couldn't even get through life if they knew that once you die you just die.
Everyone has their own personal beliefs but you shouldn't take such offence because of someone elses.

i think that atheists are just people who have lost all their faith in anything and have just closed their mind completely and thats sad and upsetting. i do take offence and you are right bout me being brought up that way and believing in God, my family is just like that way but were not religious nuts or anythin. i think there is a hereafter and our soul goes on, why not? if some want to be atheist and believe in no hereafter, thats a shame and a disgrace:mad:

Atheists or agnostics are people who are sensible enough not to be esily brainwashed by hand me down beliefs none of which can be proved one way or the other. Beliefs that could have been written by sane, insane or the genuinly deluded. Truth is none of us know the mental state of such writers. We do not know the level of intellince of such writers.

To believe in such unnown factors can be extremely dangerous and has led to societiies breeding fanatical attitudes one after the other based on someone elses writing and beliefs instead of ones own common sense.

Those with strong religious beliefs have far more closed minds than those that do not believe. Some are so fanatical in their beliefs that they think such beliefs should never be questioned. They try to stop questioning of their beliefs by claiming they are offended. No..The claim of offence is a way to try and shut people up who have a contradictory opinion.

The CLOSED mind of religion is responsible for the maniac behavour of countries addicted to religious beliefs and all the man invented control freak laws that come with their beliefs and cultures based on religious fanatisism.

As for my belief I suppose I would consider myself an agnostic. My mind is not closed neither is it subject to prehistoric writings that have no foundation of truth or common sense....One of the biggest mistakes one can make in life is to make your self gullable to others beliefs. Bottom line work things out for yourself don't steal from the minds of ancient writers who did not have at their disposal the knowledge we have today....

Believing in god brings comfort to some. Being controlled by religious cultures and institutions brings hell to many.....And in many cases war.......

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by spacebandit
Ok, posted it before but...

Who is this .... ??



Born of a virgin

Birthday Celebrated on December 25

His coming was announced by three kings

They followed a star in the east to his resting place

Baptised aged 12 folowing standard ritual and custom

Disappears for 18 years

Reappears at aged 30 and is baptised again

Baptiser was later decapitated

Starts his own ministry

Has 12 disciples

Perorms a Sermon on the mount

Is transfigured on the mount before his 12 disciples

Performs miracles, walks on water, raises the dead, heals the sick

Is betrayed by one of his desciples

Is crucified

after 3 days rises from the dead and ascends into heaven

Known by many names including the "Son Of God", "Son Of man" "The Truth and The Light"
"The Good Shepherd" " The Lamb Of God" "The Ressurection and The Life"

Worshippers end their prayers with "Amen"

Is this a reference to Akanatan the heretic Pharaoh? ?

Horus - 3500 BC

and there are many many more deity's pre-dating the Christ myth that share practically the same features and chronology

[Sticks]

Sorry - Akanatan was the one who tried to bring in Monotheism to ancient Egypt

I need to brush up on my Egyptology - can you recommend any good books there?

When i have time I will look up Horus on Wkki

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Retroman
KissyLittleMissy Im surprised you're not banned for such words.

You're constantly shouting beliefs at people and putting ":mad:" that smiley everywhere. Which is very immature and ironic...as you're the only one in this topic who's actually saying anything that people should be angry about.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said your ideas bout the bible were almost blasphemous, i just assumed from what you implied that you were atheist and a non believer and were rubbishing the bible by pointing out that it could have been written by insane people which aint nice really:sad: how could a book which has been passed down through the ages and created such a following be written by insane people, i neverccould come up with that assumption now way man

No way man? lol...you don't provide much of an argument do you. How do you know what mental state the writers of the bible were in? I never said they were insane, as ive already mentioned...I was reminding everyone that we don't know the people that wrote it, so how can we trust the writings of complete strangers?

You're placing almost all of your biblical beliefs in a book written by people you don't remotely know. That in itself is foolish, in my eyes.

Anyway, I already explained I wasn't saying the bible was written by insane people in my last post. Yet still you insist on putting sad smileys and making out Im condeming your religion yet again. Which seems like the actions of a spoilt little girl Im afraid.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
you did offend my beliefs and anybody who shares my beliefs would be horrified at what you said:sad: its awful, how could you even come up with it retroman, what are you!! i dont care if i offend you in return, i dont care who i ofend as anyone saying insanity may possibly be in the mind of writings such as those has to be aitheist, evry thing you have said tells us that, shame on you:mad:

Again with the sad smileys, it is quite clear that you're easily capable of becoming angry and frustrated, so please don't pretend you're sat there feeling upset and crying..I simply won't fall for it. Also, I never posted anything remotely offensive, I merely told you what I believe.

So please stop trying to make people feel sorry for you by trying to pass me off as some sort of blasphemous non believer.

And you should especially stop saying such things as "what are you!! how could you come up with it! I dont care if I offend you, I don't care who I offend, shame on you" etc

I haven't said anything remotely insulting, just expressed my views on life after death. Yet you're purposefully going out of your way to try and insult me [which you admitted.] Why is this? It really doesn't make sense. You're even potentially calling me insane?

What on earth is wrong with you?
You're launching a full scale attack on my opinion, without even the slightest hint of me provoking you. You have serious issues. And I suggest you stop the amateur dramatics.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
you say that insects and plants dont have the thoughts to know such things ii dont understand that either, nobody can say that as nobody is an insect/animal or plant. so if a tree gets hit by an axe and some bark falls off, the tree wont be feeling anything, nobody knows that,nobody so i wont be fooled no way

You are officially clueless.
It's scientific fact that tree's don't feel anything...they don't have a developed brain to pass signals of feeling or a nervous system. They're incapable of feeling. So get your facts straight before you argue about things you clearly know nothing about.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i mentioned radio waves as that example was said at school when a kid spoke bout God being invisible, so our teacher used that example i am sure the technology that you mentioned can prove it

Your teacher proved nothing. Sound waves can be proven through various methods, so we know they're there. Heaven can't be proven, so they're two entirely unrelated things.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
anybody who is a true believer of God and belives the bible like i do and read what you are discussing would be a bit upset personally. i understand that, not very nice and upsetting. i am not forcing my beliefs onto you, i am just disgusted in some of what you are implying and suspecting, we can suspect that certain stories in the bible are nothing more than a made up story, but anything more than that opinion is almost blasphemy like i said it is. you are defo a nonbeliever and i am completely different and believe, so this discusuuion is going to be difficult on that basis

Most mature believers would accept my opinion. Christianity is not about condeming all non believers and telling them they need forgiveness from god like you told me. Anyone who is a half decent person doesn't take offense when someone announces they believe something different to them.

I actually can't believe you're still calling my opinion "blasphemy"
Do you even know what the word means?
You act as if I walked into a church and told everyone how wrong they are.

This topic is to express each individuals thoughts on life after death, it's not for Christians to call atheists "blasphemous"
This is nothing short of a personal attack, and id urge you to stop.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said that you need forgiveness as i think you do really for not understanding faith and totally ignoring the feelings of billions of believers

Excuse me?
Did I say I ignored the feelings of anyone? I think not.
I don't agree with them, but I don't go out of my way to tell them they're all wrong either.
Stop making out Im attacking the entire christian population of the planet, it's just a simple case of you going WAY overboard to try and make me look bad. Very child like behaviour if ever I saw it.

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i said that"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us" cause its true, when you are alive we cant see our soul rise from our body and when your dead, that would be the only time youd find that out. I know that when things whch exist we have an explaniation but that is because its physiaclly there. Santa does exist, (remember children read forums):wink: monsters like loch ness monster could have existed once but today it would be dead, perhaps one of the last remaining dinopsaurs

"Cause its true" ?
How can you say that in the middle of a debate? lol, that's just ridiculous. How do you know it's true if you've never died?
You even said in a seperate post that nobody can know what happens after death, but in this post you're telling me it's fact?

You contradict yourself.

The loch ness monster could have existed but now it's dead = God and heaven must exist? LOL
What are you talking about?

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
i read your last piece and all i can say that your aitheist views cannot comprehend what true believers know as real. god is real and god is there, you must have lost all of your faith or summin? any priest or vicar or nun would understand and the billions who feel the same are blessed and i do feel blessed while you obviously feel left out

If true believers know it as real, then why don't they prove it?
If someone 100% knows something without doubt, then there's always proof. If there is no proof, then you don't know.

As for losing my faith, my whole point is that I never had any faith in the first place. Faith/belief = uncertainty. I don't base my whole life on uncertainties..which is my own personal choice. And is not an attack on christianity like you're making out for some illogical reason.

As for me feeling left out...
If I felt left out id become a christian wouldn't I?
So you clearly don't have a clue what you're typing half the time, as it never seems to make any sense.

i was banned yesterday for my rule breaking

i am sorry for my mad smileys i just have much faith in God and the bible and from what i see in this discusssion there is much about questioning whether God exists and the bible is just written by insane people and that made me mad. i wont use the angry smily much more:sad:
i know its hard to really know bout the minds of people who wrote the bible in the first place. i know that the bible could be looked at as being a bunch of stories grouped together but i believe that some are stories - false ones and most are based on fact. but if you or others wish to believe that it isnt so then i guess you have the right to air that opinion - excuse me please:sad:


im not a spoilt girl, even though i am not from a poor family and want for very litttlt, but thats just me and my brothers and sisters. my actions in this discussion are just myself feeling upset. i read it all again and i have to admit tyhat i went over the top:flowers: i also read wrong your post and said that you said they were insane, i realise that you meant maybe. i wasn't trying upset you personally it was just that you brought up this "insane" possibility and revelled in it kinda = but that is how i saw it i guess? i do get upset, but i dont cry about it like you assumed:puzzled:

i talked about the lochness monster as it is a belief that it existed and you brought up "monsters" as an example. i only gave an example in return thats all

if billions of people believe in it, then we can only assume from that majority that it must be real. in every school there are bibles, in evry library there are bibles, in evry prison there are bibles, should I go on. nobody can prove it. like nobody can prove how the dinosaurs died even though scientists, archaeologists can come up with some idea:eureka:

i felt it was your views that could be perceived as being rather blaspemous against true believers of God, like i said - you kinda revelled init. nobody can prove it, but so many believe it and so do i, but if you dont then you dont right

if you think that what i write doesnt make sense, then you wont be able to reply to it, but youi have so you must undertsand mt writings then> otherwise you couldnt comprehend one bit, ps i do have reading difficulties but i do my best, but i dont expect asny understandings from you from what i reasd from you here

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Warning issued to Kissylittlemissy for offensive posts and attacks on other members.

Sandra Crossitt, my sister is very sorry for her behavior and won't do it again. im her brother jack and she asked me to post replies for her, I hope I am allowed to do that. Is she due to have her warning lifted shortly?

[Red Moon]

KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Red Moon
KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

Yes, I tried after the date you gave - but there was a red triangular warning sign next to her picture, I shall look again. Sorry again for her behavior, she won't do it again. I own the computer, see!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy2
Originally posted by Red Moon
KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

Yes, I tried after the date you gave - but there was a red triangular warning sign next to her picture, I shall look again. Sorry again for her behavior, she won't do it again. I own the computer, see!

The warning symbol might be active for a while but the posting ban should be over and your sister should be able to post.

[KissyLittleMissy2]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy2
Originally posted by Red Moon
KissyLittleMissy2 your old account should be working. You only received a warning as far as I can make out. For the first warning the ban is 24 hours. Your warning was issued at 20-9-07 at 10:14 so it should be over now.

Have you tried posting using the old account?

Red

Yes, I tried after the date you gave - but there was a red triangular warning sign next to her picture, I shall look again. Sorry again for her behavior, she won't do it again. I own the computer, see!

The warning symbol might be active for a while but the posting ban should be over and your sister should be able to post.

Thankyou Red moon.

[Jack_Crossitt]

I started again, as both usernames were experiencing problems.

anyway here goes my opinion,

Giving my personal opinion of things - I have always believed in god and have prayed many times in my life. My parents made us go to church, but not too often. We went once a month on a Sunday, it was like a ritual - I guess their way of telling us that we must all recognize that god is part of our lives. It was handed down from my grandparents on my mothers side - who was very religious. I remember visiting when I was 8 or 9 years old and there was pictures of jesus and mary and crosses everywhere. Sadly they have both passed away now and they live near Dover, which is miles away from Halifax, where we live.

I do understand that the bible could be one big story book, which has just been passed down through many, many generations and so many of us just believe in a book containing pure fictitious stories - but with good morals and meanings throughout. It has been read by myself a couple of times and I find it quite a hard read and not as enjoyable as my grandparents would say. They swore by every part. I feel that anyone saying bad things about god and religion may get a hostile response as they get offended. My sister got offended, but the way she handled it was rather offensive to other members here and I can only apologise on her behalf.
I think that a lot of us would like to believe that there is a heaven and that when we die we shall see saint Peter at the gates of heaven - welcoming us with open arms. I can't think of anyway of us proving that we shall ever see him or heaven or hell or god either. That can never be proven, but for most of us, we can believe in the possibility only.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry - Akanatan was the one who tried to bring in Monotheism to ancient Egypt

I need to brush up on my Egyptology - can you recommend any good books there?

When i have time I will look up Horus on Wkki

Go here

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html

Interesting read

[Arneldo]

We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

[Sticks]

While we are swapping links

Try this one (http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/156)

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Arneldo
We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

Yes I said that earlier in the thread, it's a waste of time to think about it now. Same for the end of the world or the asteroids. Enjoy life ! :thumbs:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
While we are swapping links

Try this one (http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/156)

The problem with the argument presented there is that it claims Jesus, as is the JC of christianity, is a "historical figure"

The truth is there are no contemporaneous accounts of Jesus Christ - which is baffling if he existed. as the Romans were prodigious scribes, as were the Greeks - yet not one single reference to the "King Of The Jews" who was executed and ascended to heaven in full view of the assembled plebs exists anywhere, or has even been known to exist - except in the minds of the evangelicals.

[Sticks]

Tacitus
Flavius Josephus
Pliny the Younger

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Tacitus
Flavius Josephus
Pliny the Younger

Tacitus 56 - 117 AD

Flavius Josephus 37 - 100 AD [sometime after, exact date unknown]

Pliny the Younger [Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus] 63 - 113 AD


Jesus Christ 8–2 BC - to 29–36 AD



The earliest known writings are "Pauls letters" - which are accepted to date from no earlier than 50 AD, but scholars accept more likely fall closer to 100 AD

and The Gospel Of Thomas - though no date for this writing is given any credence before 40 AD, and again scholars accept the date for this writing as anything between 40AD - 100AD, and the Jesus of Thomas is far removed from the Jesus of the NT

The Q Document has never been proven to have ever existed, and it was first theorised by herbert marsh in 1801, though Marsh was a Bishop and its existence has never gone beyond theory - current biblical scholars do not accept it with the exception of the evangelicals and the born agains, most notably in the USA

the Gospels it is generally accepted were written between 70 - 100 AD, and "standardised" at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD



There are NO contemporaneous accounts

[Kate..]

Originally posted by Arneldo
We don't know and we will probably never know so I think people should live life while they can instead of pondering over unanswerable questions like this.

okay now that's just freaky cause i said those words to my mum like an hour ago!:joker: