Did Nikki copy Jade [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

farhad

28-09-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Both Jade and Nikki are attention seekers. In the house they are remembered because we laughed at them rather than with them. They both were poorly educated and thought they could get their own way by shouting. Both said stupid things while in the house, more stupid than normal.

Nikki either copied Jade or they where similar characters.

Now given Nikki claims that Chanelle copied her. It is my opinion you could accuse Nikki of copying Jade.

There is the same level of proof.

Unless Nikki says East angular is abroad, than yes, but from what we saw from Chanelle and Charley they both used the Nikki mannerism, the "Who is She", the hand movements, I've never seen Jade Goodey using those hand movements, or those type of body language Nikki used, attention seeker yes, but totally different people is, but people could identify that Nikki is Nikki, and Jade is Jade, but you cannot identify who Channel is, more like thinking it's another Nikki.

Harry!

28-09-2007, 08:15 PM

No.

KKBL

28-09-2007, 08:19 PM

Nikki like most people likes to get attention!Jade needs attention!Nikki was and is herself and knowone else!the same with Jade!Nikki is not stupid and has never acted stupid shes actualy quite smart so NO!!

farhad

28-09-2007, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!Jade needs attention!Nikki was and is herself and knowone else!the same with Jade!Nikki is not stupid and has never acted stupid shes actualy quite smart so NO!!

Some evidence that Nikki sometimes comes accross as being accedemically educated, that was neither the case with Ms Piggy, she couldn't even pronounces Wales.:bigsmile:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KsjjzpB3pJA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8JDDKqGfaUk

farhad

28-09-2007, 08:26 PM

Another thing is, a lot found it difficult to understand what Jade Goodey actually is saying, her speaking wasn't clear, and looks like she needs speech therapy, that never was the case with Nikki, you could always understand her.

Deirdre

28-09-2007, 08:29 PM

i don't think she did.. i don't think she copied anyone.. i think she was her own person.. that's what made her so great!:dance:

farhad

28-09-2007, 08:29 PM

farhad

28-09-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by patheticfool
i don't think she did.. i don't think she copied anyone.. i think she was her own person.. that's what made her so great!:dance:

Never seen Jade Goodey constantly going into the Diary to have a moan or haves comedy moment.

Captain.Remy

28-09-2007, 08:30 PM

It'snot about what they said or how they acted.
It's about how their journey has been, what happened to them inside and outside.

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by farhad
Your being out-voted:spin2:

It's my opinion and the poll won't change it. :thumbs:

Originally posted by farhad
Chanelle and Charley they both used the Nikki mannerism, the "Who is She", the hand movements

Of course they did they saw on her on Big Brother and so did their friends and incorporated her movements and sayings into thier lives making them their own. It's called mimicking and it common fort groups of people mimic each other. It's a tribal/pack instinct.

For example when I shared an office with someone from Liverpool years ago I took on their accent even though I don't come from anywhere near Liverpool. I just mimic the sounds they made unconsciously. Charley, Chanelle and their friends did the same sort thing through watching TV.

I bet if you went out on the streets you would find people now with mannerisms like Nikki and other housemates too. It's a cultural thing.

And I bet if you look around you would find that someone said her saying to Nikki before she said them herself. She didn't invent them she learnt them and then modified them. She doesn't have ownership or copyright on them even if she thinks she does.

Originally posted by farhad
I've never seen Jade Goodey using those hand movements

You wouldn't have done, Jade came before Nikki and didn't exhilarate her movements as much a Nikki. She wasn't as desperate for attention. People wave there arms around to be seen and noticed.

In style both were the same sort of housemate, Nikki was loud, poorly educated and shouted a lot. Jade was the same. If it is fair for Nikki to say Charley and Chanelle copied her then Jade could say the same thing about Nikki.

Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!

Nikki needs attention as much as Jade does if not more. It feeds her obsessive need for attention, hence all tantrums in the house. It's part of the reason Nikki plays the fool all the time. It's "look at me" syndrome.

Originally posted by farhad
Another thing is, a lot found it difficult to understand what Jade Goodey actually is saying, her speaking wasn't clear, and looks like she needs speech therapy, that never was the case with Nikki, you could always understand her.

And Nikki doesn't need therapy for all her problems? Jade has dyslexia which would account for the incorrect pronunciation of some of word. She does hear the sounds the same way as normal people and so she make mistakes when speaking. I have never had a problem understanding her.

SiMoN!

28-09-2007, 10:14 PM

cujo-man

28-09-2007, 10:15 PM

No!

farhad

28-09-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
Your being out-voted:spin2:

It's my opinion and the poll won't change it. :thumbs:

Originally posted by farhad
Chanelle and Charley they both used the Nikki mannerism, the "Who is She", the hand movements

Of course they did they saw on her on Big Brother and so did their friends and incorporated her movements and sayings into thier lives making them their own. It's called mimicking and it common fort groups of people mimic each other. It's a tribal/pack instinct.

For example when I shared an office with someone from Liverpool years ago I took on their accent even though I don't come from anywhere near Liverpool. I just mimic the sounds they made unconsciously. Charley, Chanelle and their friends did the same sort thing through watching TV.

I bet if you went out on the streets you would find people now with mannerisms like Nikki and other housemates too. It's a cultural thing.

And I bet if you look around you would find that someone said her saying to Nikki before she said them herself. She didn't invent them she learnt them and then modified them. She doesn't have ownership or copyright on them even if she thinks she does.

Originally posted by farhad
I've never seen Jade Goodey using those hand movements

You wouldn't have done, Jade came before Nikki and didn't exhilarate her movements as much a Nikki. She wasn't as desperate for attention. People wave there arms around to be seen and noticed.

In style both were the same sort of housemate, Nikki was loud, poorly educated and shouted a lot. Jade was the same. If it is fair for Nikki to say Charley and Chanelle copied her then Jade could say the same thing about Nikki.

Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!

Nikki needs attention as much as Jade does if not more. It feeds her obsessive need for attention, hence all tantrums in the house. It's part of the reason Nikki plays the fool all the time. It's "look at me" syndrome.

Originally posted by farhad
Another thing is, a lot found it difficult to understand what Jade Goodey actually is saying, her speaking wasn't clear, and looks like she needs speech therapy, that never was the case with Nikki, you could always understand her.

And Nikki doesn't need therapy for all her problems? Jade has dyslexia which would account for the incorrect pronunciation of some of word. She does hear the sounds the same way as normal people and so she make mistakes when speaking. I have never had a problem understanding her.

Nikki was in hospital for over 10 years, so thats the reason she didn't have that chance to be educated or to mature like others, but as we've seen before she has learnt fast and sometimes came across as academically smart and was quite bright and aware of surroundings, Jade niether was that.

farhad

28-09-2007, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by SiMoN!
Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!Jade needs attention!Nikki was and is herself and knowone else!the same with Jade!Nikki is not stupid and has never acted stupid shes actualy quite smart so NO!!

did you even watch BB7 - she went back in and was 1 big act

she wasnt her self at all

Of course she was herself but was acting than being natural self like first time round.

SiMoN!

28-09-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by SiMoN!
Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!Jade needs attention!Nikki was and is herself and knowone else!the same with Jade!Nikki is not stupid and has never acted stupid shes actualy quite smart so NO!!

did you even watch BB7 - she went back in and was 1 big act

she wasnt her self at all

Of course she was herself but was acting than being natural self like first time round.

acting is not being yoursefl

she was just one big act

farhad

28-09-2007, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by SiMoN!
Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by SiMoN!
Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!Jade needs attention!Nikki was and is herself and knowone else!the same with Jade!Nikki is not stupid and has never acted stupid shes actualy quite smart so NO!!

did you even watch BB7 - she went back in and was 1 big act

she wasnt her self at all

Of course she was herself but was acting than being natural self like first time round.

acting is not being yoursefl

she was just one big act

There was a lie detector test when she got evicted, and all proved it wasn't false, so there you go

I agree the second time round she did act, but then again she didn't copy anyone else. She just wasn't the natural funny Nikki when she came back.

farhad

28-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
Your being out-voted:spin2:

It's my opinion and the poll won't change it. :thumbs:

Originally posted by farhad
Chanelle and Charley they both used the Nikki mannerism, the "Who is She", the hand movements

Of course they did they saw on her on Big Brother and so did their friends and incorporated her movements and sayings into thier lives making them their own. It's called mimicking and it common fort groups of people mimic each other. It's a tribal/pack instinct.

For example when I shared an office with someone from Liverpool years ago I took on their accent even though I don't come from anywhere near Liverpool. I just mimic the sounds they made unconsciously. Charley, Chanelle and their friends did the same sort thing through watching TV.

I bet if you went out on the streets you would find people now with mannerisms like Nikki and other housemates too. It's a cultural thing.

And I bet if you look around you would find that someone said her saying to Nikki before she said them herself. She didn't invent them she learnt them and then modified them. She doesn't have ownership or copyright on them even if she thinks she does.

Originally posted by farhad
I've never seen Jade Goodey using those hand movements

You wouldn't have done, Jade came before Nikki and didn't exhilarate her movements as much a Nikki. She wasn't as desperate for attention. People wave there arms around to be seen and noticed.

In style both were the same sort of housemate, Nikki was loud, poorly educated and shouted a lot. Jade was the same. If it is fair for Nikki to say Charley and Chanelle copied her then Jade could say the same thing about Nikki.

Originally posted by CathalOS
Nikki like most people likes to get attention!

Nikki needs attention as much as Jade does if not more. It feeds her obsessive need for attention, hence all tantrums in the house. It's part of the reason Nikki plays the fool all the time. It's "look at me" syndrome.

Originally posted by farhad
Another thing is, a lot found it difficult to understand what Jade Goodey actually is saying, her speaking wasn't clear, and looks like she needs speech therapy, that never was the case with Nikki, you could always understand her.

And Nikki doesn't need therapy for all her problems? Jade has dyslexia which would account for the incorrect pronunciation of some of word. She does hear the sounds the same way as normal people and so she make mistakes when speaking. I have never had a problem understanding her.

The lie detector test on Nikki proved that it is Nikki herself, so your point has been now invalidated.

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by farhad
Nikki was in hospital for over 10 years, so thats the reason she didn't have that chance to be educated or to mature like others, but as we've seen before she has learnt fast and sometimes came across as academically smart and was quite bright and aware of surroundings, Jade niether was that.

She has a NVQ in beauty therapy which is hardly a very academic, vocational yes, academic no. She was actually in and out of hospital for ten years she wasn't there all the time so she did get some schooling although at times it was interrupted for long periods. As has been proven from the out takes of her interviews this year she doesn't learn as fast as people think she does but she can learn things and remember them once she has been told them enough times.

I hate defending Jade because she such a horrible person, but Jade has made more money than any other Big Brother housemate so there must be something she is doing right even if it is only having a good manager.

Nikki would have noticed how much money Jade has made from being and playing the fool and she does the same sort of thing.

The problem for Nikki is she wants to be taken seriously sometimes and because of the way she was in the house that can never happen.

KKBL

28-09-2007, 10:38 PM

i totaly agree with farhead whwn Nikki went back in the house she was accused of "acting" and but who was she acting like ????answer:HERSELF!!

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by farhad
The lie detector test on Nikki proved that it is Nikki herself, so your point has been now invalidated.

Which one?

farhad

28-09-2007, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
The lie detector test on Nikki proved that it is Nikki herself, so your point has been now invalidated.

Which one?

The one she did in BBLB last after getting evicted, she appeared on BBLB it 4 times after she got evicted, sadly that youtube clip has been removed, but it proved that she was herself.

farhad

28-09-2007, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
Nikki was in hospital for over 10 years, so thats the reason she didn't have that chance to be educated or to mature like others, but as we've seen before she has learnt fast and sometimes came across as academically smart and was quite bright and aware of surroundings, Jade niether was that.

She has a NVQ in beauty therapy which is hardly a very academic, vocational yes, academic no. She was actually in and out of hospital for ten years she wasn't there all the time so she did get some schooling although at times it was interrupted for long periods. As has been proven from the out takes of her interviews this year she doesn't learn as fast as people think she does but she can learn things and remember them once she has been told them enough times.

I hate defending Jade because she such a horrible person, but Jade has made more money than any other Big Brother housemate so there must be something she is doing right even if it is only having a good manager.

Nikki would have noticed how much money Jade has made from being and playing the fool and she does the same sort of thing.

The problem for Nikki is she wants to be taken seriously sometimes and because of the way she was in the house that can never happen.

What I meant she sometimes comes across as academically intelligent, like the biography, the speech for Richard and the Vocabs she uses. Nikki actually is a fast learner, and has a very good memory than most of us. You cannot compare Jade Goodey who has been around 6 years to Nikki only 14 months, thats just rediculous.

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by farhad
The one she did in BBLB last after getting evicted, she appeared on BBLB it 4 times after she got evicted, sadly that youtube clip has been removed, but it proved that she was herself.

People don't know they copy people. They are not lying because people copy each other unconsciously. Lying is a conscious act. You know you are laying when you do it. Taking on peoples mannerisms and sayings isn't a conscious act. It's just something you do without thinking.

As for lie detectors they are not fool proof. People can tell lies and they don't show up. It takes a trained operator with years of experience and hours of work with the person under test before the results of the test are conclusive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A664021

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by farhad
What I meant she sometimes comes across as academically intelligent, like the biography, the speech for Richard and the Vocabs she uses. Nikki actually is a fast learner, and has a very good memory than most of us. You cannot compare Jade Goodey who has been around 6 years to Nikki only 14 months, thats just rediculous.

May be she does, but she need to prove it, and I'm sure with the right teachers she could do it. People will have a different perception of the word academic, but after years in Universities I wouldn't say she isn't a natural academic.

You can compare Jade with Nikki. The reason being that most housemate make most of there money in the first year, if not the first few months. It's how you handle that money and the fame which comes with it that counts. Jade is still about after 6 years, there are posts about her here every other day, even if they are for the wrong reason now. She is still a celebrity even though many despiser her. Nikki would do well to copy what she has done but without making the same mistakes.

As for the memory thing we are going to have to agree to disagree.

farhad

28-09-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
What I meant she sometimes comes across as academically intelligent, like the biography, the speech for Richard and the Vocabs she uses. Nikki actually is a fast learner, and has a very good memory than most of us. You cannot compare Jade Goodey who has been around 6 years to Nikki only 14 months, thats just rediculous.

May be she does, but she need to prove it, and I'm sure with the right teachers she could do it. People will have a different perception of the word academic, but after years in Universities I wouldn't say she isn't a natural academic.

You can compare Jade with Nikki. The reason being that most housemate make most of there money in the first year, if not the first few months. It's how you handle that money and the fame which comes with it that counts. Jade is still about after 6 years, there are posts about her here every other day, even if they are for the wrong reason now. She is still a celebrity even though many despiser her. Nikki would do well to copy what she has done but without making the same mistakes.

As for the memory thing we are going to have to agree to disagree.

OK, you have different recollections of how it was for Jade during her post-BB world back then. Jade didn't get much attention in terms of being 'rewarded' until roughly a year and half after her eviction. She didn't have a TV show of her own until roughly a year half ago while
Nikki's TV show was put together after the 'Temporary Agency' task (week 3)

Nikki is a product of the newish Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine, which didn't exist during Jade's time (even though she appeared on a Endemol show and taken on JMN's books). Before this Jade via JNM reinvented and promoted herself through Heat magazine ('innocent' pap shots, mostly) and a few TV appearances. It's this method that slowly gained her a fan base.

many of people in the media watched her progress over years. She was their 'guinea pig', testing to see what works and what doesn't, which gave birth to the Endemol-JMN-Heat machine, which was tested on Anthony Hatton and one other HM whose name I forget as well as on Nikki and Grace.

I think you would find Nikki is also a celebrity, she has OK column for godsakes, and she has done very well in 12 months.

Red Moon

28-09-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by farhad
OK, you have different recollections of how it was for Jade during her post-BB world back then. Jade didn't get much attention in terms of being 'rewarded' until roughly a year and half after her eviction. She didn't have a TV show of her own until roughly a year half ago while
Nikki's TV show was put together after the 'Temporary Agency' task (week 3)

Nikki is a product of the newish Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine, which didn't exist during Jade's time (even though she appeared on a Endemol show and taken on JMN's books). Before this Jade via JNM reinvented and promoted herself through Heat magazine ('innocent' pap shots, mostly) and a few TV appearances. It's this method that slowly gained her a fan base.

many of people in the media watched her progress over years. She was their 'guinea pig', testing to see what works and what doesn't, which gave birth to the Endemol-JMN-Heat machine, which was tested on Anthony Hatton and one other HM whose name I forget as well as on Nikki and Grace.

I think you would find Nikki is also a celebrity, she has OK column for godsakes, and she has done very well in 12 months.

I agree McV she has done well over the last 12 months, but for the rest of my answer you will have to wait for.

farhad

29-09-2007, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by farhad
OK, you have different recollections of how it was for Jade during her post-BB world back then. Jade didn't get much attention in terms of being 'rewarded' until roughly a year and half after her eviction. She didn't have a TV show of her own until roughly a year half ago while
Nikki's TV show was put together after the 'Temporary Agency' task (week 3)

Nikki is a product of the newish Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine, which didn't exist during Jade's time (even though she appeared on a Endemol show and taken on JMN's books). Before this Jade via JNM reinvented and promoted herself through Heat magazine ('innocent' pap shots, mostly) and a few TV appearances. It's this method that slowly gained her a fan base.

many of people in the media watched her progress over years. She was their 'guinea pig', testing to see what works and what doesn't, which gave birth to the Endemol-JMN-Heat machine, which was tested on Anthony Hatton and one other HM whose name I forget as well as on Nikki and Grace.

I think you would find Nikki is also a celebrity, she has OK column for godsakes, and she has done very well in 12 months.

I agree McV she has done well over the last 12 months, but for the rest of my answer you will have to wait for.

We'll see how long she last, as she still has an OK column and a Book to wright.:thumbs:

Red Moon

29-09-2007, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by farhad
We'll see how long she last, as she still has an OK column and a Book to wright.:thumbs:

So tell, me more about the Endemol-JMN-Heat-magazine machine what do you mean by that exactly?

I there is only reference to it on the internet and that is here - Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=523489&page=4).

It's never been mentioned before.

Redmond

29-09-2007, 01:00 PM

No I don't think so, you could draw comparisons but that doesn't mean Nikki copied. Nikki actually made me laugh and wasn't a total bitch all the time like Jade was.

farhad

30-09-2007, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
No I don't think so, you could draw comparisons but that doesn't mean Nikki copied. Nikki actually made me laugh and wasn't a total bitch all the time like Jade was.

Jade was a dangerous Bully, who punched an old lady in a cenema hall, she made her owns friends school life a living hell, because of the bullying she had received from Jade, and look what she did to Sophie and Shilpa Shetty, any instances Nikki commiting a dangerous GBH on someone or bullying anyone.

Redmond

01-10-2007, 08:26 AM

Why are you quoting me? I disagree I DON'T think Nikki copied Jade, I liked Nikki.

farhad

01-10-2007, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Why are you quoting me? I disagree I DON'T think Nikki copied Jade, I liked Nikki.

I do agree with you, but just elaborating myself a bit on the comparison between the two.

Redmond

01-10-2007, 01:48 PM

Ah okay, I thought you were specifically addressing me because you quoted what I put.

farhad

01-10-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by BigBrothersLittlePod
Ah okay, I thought you were specifically addressing me because you quoted what I put.

Its ok.:thumbs:

Wasted

01-10-2007, 03:16 PM

I don't think Nikki copied Goofy, I think they're quite different. Nikki is annoying at times, but Goofy is extremely annoying at all times and is just evil. Nikki is nowhere near as bad as Goofy imo.

Nikki's attention seeking and a bit annoying but I don't think she's as thick as Goofy is, I actually don't think Nikki is that stupid at all. But Goofy is the dumbest person I've had the misfortune of laying eyes upon ever. Goofy attacks those she is jealous of, and Nikki is insecure too but doesn't deal with her insecurities by projecting them onto other people. Nikki might be hostile and high maintenance but I don't think she would ever hit an elder, or anyone for that matter, but Goofy has.

So, I don't think they're very much alike, and I don't think Nikki copied Goofy.

farhad

01-10-2007, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Wasted
I don't think Nikki copied Goofy, I think they're quite different. Nikki is annoying at times, but Goofy is extremely annoying at all times and is just evil. Nikki is nowhere near as bad as Goofy imo.

Nikki's attention seeking and a bit annoying but I don't think she's as thick as Goofy is, I actually don't think Nikki is that stupid at all. But Goofy is the dumbest person I've had the misfortune of laying eyes upon ever. Goofy attacks those she is jealous of, and Nikki is insecure too but doesn't deal with her insecurities by projecting them onto other people. Nikki might be hostile and high maintenance but I don't think she would ever hit an elder, or anyone for that matter, but Goofy has.

So, I don't think they're very much alike, and I don't think Nikki copied Goofy.

Well said Wasted.:thumbs: