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officialleafan
07-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Hi i was reading through these news pages on a website and i have been hearing more and more bad things about Disney movies by the second.
There are three articles here.

The Rescuers

Claim: The photographic image of a topless woman can be spotted in the background of The Rescuers.

Origins: On 8 January 1999, Disney announced a recall of the home video version of their 1977 animated feature The Rescuers because it contained an "objectionable background image." Approximately 38 minutes into the film, as rodent heroes Bianca and Bernard fly through the city in a sardine box strapped to the back of Orville, proprietor of Albatross Air Charter Service, the photographic image of a topless woman can be seen at the window of a building in the background in two different (non-consecutive) frames: first in the bottom left corner, then at the top center portion of the frame.

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Unlike most rumors of risque words images hidden in Disney's animated films, this one is clearly true, and the images in question were undeniably purposely inserted into the movie.

The two "topless woman" frames have reputedly been present in the film ever since its original 1977 theatrical release (a fact apparently confirmed by Disney, whose spokesperson said that the tampering "was done more than 20 years ago"), although Disney claims that they were not included in the 1992 home video version because "it was made from a different print." Disney also claimed that the images were not placed in the film by any of their animators, but were inserted during the post-production process. The company decided to recall 3.4 million copies of the video "to keep our promise to families that we can trust and rely on the Disney brand to provide the finest in family
entertainment."

Disney's announcement of this recall might be considered a bit curious. Unlike previous rumors over "hidden" items in Disney's animated films, this one was not widespread until Disney itself made a public statement about it. As well, unlike the salacious images and sounds allegedly to be found in The Little Mermaid, Aladdin and The Lion King, the Rescuers frames in question are not noticeable during a normal viewing of the film — one has to know they're there and freeze-frame the video to view them. Disney didn't recall any of those other videos, so why this one? Because they knew how quickly the story would spread via the Internet? Because this occurrence was as undeniable case of tampering rather than misinterpretation? The cynical among us might ponder that one of the best ways to boost sales of a slow-selling video would be to announce its recall due to the presence of some "objectionable images."



Article 2


Take Off Your Clothes!

Claim: In the film Aladdin, the hero whispers, "Good teenagers, take off your clothes."

Origins: This quip occurs during a scene in which Aladdin, in the guise of Prince Ali, flies up to Jasmine's balcony on his magic carpet to convince her that Aladdin he is not just another self-absorbed, empty-headed prince. When Aladdin steps onto the balcony, Jasmine's tiger Rajah threatens him and backs him up against the railing. As Rajah growls, Aladdin tries to shoo him away with his turban and then supposedly whispers, "Good teenagers, take off your clothes."

What is actually going on with the soundtrack at this point in the film is difficult to determine. Disney claims that the script calls for Aladdin to say, "C'mon . . . good kitty. Take off and go," while the closed captioning has him uttering, "Good kitty. Take off." However, neither one of these phrases seems to match what is heard on the soundtrack. A close listening to the audio track reveals Aladdin speaking the words "C'mon . . . good kitty," and just as Aladdin says the word "kitty," a second voice begins to whisper, "Pssst . . . take off your clo . . ." Who this second voice is, and exactly what he says, is a mystery. There is no other character in the scene who could conceivably be speaking: the tiger doesn't talk, the voice is male (eliminating Jasmine), and both the genie and the rug are below the balcony and off-screen. Perhaps the overlapping voices are merely the product of bad editing, and some stray bit of chatter (or a piece of dialog that was supposed to have been clipped) was accidentally grafted onto the soundtrack. Whatever is being said, to the casual listener the resulting phrase can certainly sound like the "Good teenagers, take off your clothes," although the phrase is clearly the combination of two different voices speaking in two different tones. Once people have been told what they're "supposed" to be hearing, however, they find it difficult to maintain objectivity and therefore swear that Aladdin couldn't possibly be saying anything
else.

The "take off your clothes" rumor started soon after Aladdin was released on home video in 1993. A garbled and whispered portion of dialogue that could barely be heard in the theater was being replayed over and over in millions of homes but was difficult to distinguish. Someone came up with a salacious phrase that sounded somewhat like the original portions of dialogue, and the power of suggestion took over. People began to hear what they were being told they should hear, much like Beatles fans eagerly sharing backwards-masked Paul is dead aural clues.

The Aladdin rumor spread by word of mouth during 1994 and was eventually printed in Movie Guide magazine, an Atlanta-based Christian entertainment review. Due in part to that article, the controversial phrase was brought to the attention of the American Life League, a religious organization which had been boycotting Disney films since the previous April as a protest over the movie Priest. The American Life League gave new prominence to the rumor in September 1995, when it claimed the phrase was yet another piece of evidence that Disney had been sneaking "sexual messages" into their animated films (The Little Mermaid being the most notorious example) for the past several years.

(I listened to this part of the movie and i did hear the quote above. Go to this link http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/aladdin.asp#add and scroll down to listen to the audio in slow motion)

Last article:

Spot the hidden message.
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z269/letitiadeanfan/Lionkg2.jpg


The Lion King

Claim: The letters S-E-X are formed by a swirling cloud of dust in The Lion King.

Origins: About halfway to three-fourths of the Look, Simba, it says SFX! way through the film, Simba, Pumbaa, and Timon are lying on their backs, looking up at the stars. Simba arises, walks over to the edge of a cliff, and flops to the ground, throwing up a cloud of dust. Eddies of dust form and dissipate in the roiling cloud, and at one point the various curves and angles in these eddies appear to form the letters S-E-X. It takes a bit of persistence to see specific letters in the shapes formed by the swirling dust clouds, even when the video is played in slow motion.

Whether the image of the word "SEX" was deliberately planted in this scene or is merely a product of the power of suggestion is unknown. The letters seem readily apparent to those who know what they're supposed to be looking for, but persons unfamiliar with the rumor rarely make them out even after being told to look for a word in the still-frame images. The generally accepted explanation is that the letters were slipped in by a special effects group (to form the abbreviation "S-F-X").

A 4-year-old boy from New York (or Louisiana), viewing the video with his head tilted to the left, supposedly noticed the appearance of the letters S-E-X and told his mother (or aunt) about it.
(How a mere 4-year-old could both spell and understand the significance of the word "sex" remains unexplained. When you want to charge a huge corporate conglomerate with slipping nasties into its supposedly wholesome children's films, however, it's best to pretend an unwitting child made the discovery. This method increases the outrage factor — if a 4-year-old found the word "S-E-X" in a video all by himself, why, then anybody's child might see it, too.) His mother (or aunt) in turn notified a religious organization called the American Life League, who claimed this was yet another occurrence of Disney's deliberately inserting hidden images into their animated films. The American Life League, which had already been boycotting Disney films since the previous April, made this rumor the highlight of their September 1995 publicity campaign against several Disney videos allegedly containing "sexual messages."

The Aladdin one shocked me the most. Please listen to the audio clips on the link above to hear what Aladdin says!

Retroman
07-10-2007, 05:18 PM
The first one shocked me slightly, if that is 100% true [id have to watch the film myself purchased from a shop in order to believe it as fact.] then that's a little blatant.

But even if all this is happening throughout Disney films, what's the motive?
To influence young kids to go out and have sex? All that would do is ensure they outgrow the films sooner and produce less sales.

Or are the Disney staff being accused of inserting sexual material purely for a "laugh" and seeing what they can get away with?

supernoodles!
07-10-2007, 05:21 PM
thats really wiered.Why would they do these things?


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cujo-man
07-10-2007, 05:22 PM
What confuses me, as Retorman said, is whats there motive - it doesn't seem to even be questioned.

Still, the Aladdin thing is quite clearly true and is very disturbing. Even at normal speed it is extremely evident that Aladdin is saying what he is saying. It doesn't need to be slown down.

The Rescuers one seems proven, althought to be honest I really think The Lion King was could just be an innocent mistake.

cujo-man
07-10-2007, 05:23 PM
Also, do you have any more of these? I love conspiricies!

supernoodles!
07-10-2007, 05:24 PM
Ive seen aladin and lion king but i diddnt notice either of these when i was little lol

officialleafan
07-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Same here. The Aladdin one really shocked me.

Bells
07-10-2007, 05:33 PM
I never noticed any of those when watching either. Which brings me to the conclusion that it wasn't used to encourage kids or anything, but probably for the amusement of the Disney animators, which they're entitled to do. Especially in the case of The Lion King, where the word isn't 'SEX' but 'SFX' the abbreviated name of the animation group. Most of these theories aren't true, although the Rescuers one is seeing as it's a picture.

I'd heard about these from Snopes, and it's useful in what it says. Here's the page where the theories are mentioned, and you can click on the links for more information:

http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/films.asp

officialleafan
07-10-2007, 05:40 PM
I have another. This one will shock you.

Did the Disney studio steal Kimba The White Lion and rework it as their "original story", The Lion King? They certainly give that impression with their corporate stance ("we never heard of Tezuka nor Kimba until after The Lion King was released"). And why would they have filed suit to try to prevent the showing of Tezuka Productions' 1997 Jungle Emperor Leo movie at the 1998 Toronto FantAsia Film Festival? (Jungle Emperor was the original title for Kimba The White Lion.) It seems quite simple; Kimba had been kept out of sight in North America for 20 years by that time. And once you can see the two together...

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z269/letitiadeanfan/Kimbasimba.jpg

I'm sure you've heard how every character in The Lion King has a matching character in Kimba, all the way down to the level of both having a sage mandrill mis-identified as a baboon.

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The shame of the matter is that the Disney company is sticking to their official line --that their people never heard of Kimba before The Lion King was released-- even in the face of logic and evidence. As Robin Pen pointed out (in the essay referenced above), if we were to take their statement at face value, it actually means they were stupid and irresponsible. But more than that, many examples say just the opposite of the Disney statement.

* On July 19, 1993, Roy Disney referred to the central character in The Lion King as "Kimba".

* Matthew Broderick said that he originally thought he had been cast for a remake of Kimba, "the white lion in a cartoon when I was a kid".

* Shawn Keller, top Disney animator, wore a Kimba costume (that he had made himself) to The Lion King 'cast' party and photo session.


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Anyone still want to try to convince me it's all a coincidence? Peter and Rochelle Schweizer interviewed Disney animators and report that while working on the Lion King the animators held up stills from Kimba for comparison to their own work.

Kimba is one of the landmarks of animation. The Disney company has earned over 1.5 billion dollars from The Lion King but has not given either any sort of compensation to Tezuka Productions nor credit to Osamu Tezuka. I know their creative people know better. In and of itself, it's not a crime that they did take elements from Tezuka's work--there are also elements in The Lion King that would seem to come from Kipling's Jungle Books (not the Disney version) and from a famous pre-WWII Nazi propaganda film (Triumph of the Will). Cultural references are to be expected. But when a work derives so much from another, denying the source is wrong. To deny the source does an injustice to Osamu Tezuka, the original creator, and to Disney's own people who love Tezuka's works.

Why must the Disney company take such a stance about their main source of inspiration for this film? Could it be that The Lion King started out originally to be a remake of Kimba The White Lion?

* As stated here, the similarities between the two are many, and well documented.

* The Disney corporate stance, that none of Disney's people knew of Kimba before the movie was released, has been exposed as untrue.

* The most congenial theory up til now has been that the creative staff, given a chance to produce a lion story, decided to make it somewhat of a tribute to the TV show they knew and loved. That theory is an attractive one, but fails to explain the extreme extent to which similarities to the earlier production appear in the later production. Lots of movie makers include tributes to those who went before them. A tribute doesn't leave people involved with the earlier production up in arms over being plagiarized.

So, here's my question: Was The Lion King was originally intended to be Disney's big-screen re-make of Kimba The White Lion, but when things didn't go as planned in regards to obtaining the rights to it, were changes made to transform it into "Disney's first animated feature based on an original story"?

* Fact: The rights to Kimba the White Lion were tied up in legal battles for many years, beginning when the original production company, Mushi Productions, went bankrupt in 1973. NBC was forced by the FCC to sell its rights before its original contract expired in 1978. Nobody knew who had the US rights to Kimba from 1978 on. However, there was some sort of action in 1993 that led to the production of a new English-language version of Kimba -- the "1993 version" that has been shown around the world and is now on the air in the U.S.

* Hearsay (although heard from several sources): Disney was right in the thick of the battle to obtain rights to Kimba.

* Pieced together from various reports: Right Stuf International was prepared to release Kimba to home video in 1993, but this was delayed by the court action. And around the same time Disney announced they were delaying the release of Lion King.

Disney is not accustomed to losing its legal battles. So, now add this speculation into the picture: What if at one point the outcome was such a "sure thing" that it was considered safe to go ahead with the movie re-make idea?


What do you think?

supernoodles!
07-10-2007, 05:43 PM
ive never heard of this kimba geezer like.
The pics are really interesting though its like its a total copy...strange,ive never heard anything like this before today.

officialleafan
07-10-2007, 05:45 PM
I do think that Disney have copied the Simba from Kimba.

supernoodles!
07-10-2007, 05:47 PM
its looks pretty obvious doesnt it.I have a big simba cuddly toy on my bed and a smaller narla theyre cool lol

Scarlett.
07-10-2007, 05:53 PM
Lol Naughty Disney lol

cujo-man
07-10-2007, 06:23 PM
http://www.kimbawlion.com/

This is a link to the Kimba website! :thumbs:

supernoodles!
07-10-2007, 06:25 PM
looks like lion king was a total rip off of this kimba dude

Dizzy
07-10-2007, 06:28 PM
xD Wow, I never realized any of this before! Bad Disney, ROFL!

officialleafan
07-10-2007, 06:40 PM
I don't mean to sound weird, but although all this has been done, i still like Disney films, the Lion King is one of my fav's and i like Aladdin. :angel:

cujo-man
07-10-2007, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by officialleafan
I don't mean to sound weird, but although all this has been done, i still like Disney films, the Lion King is one of my fav's and i like Aladdin. :angel:

Same!

Movie directors blantaly rip-off other films without giving credit. This has been done by George Lucas with "The Hidden Fortress" for Star Wars. This film was about an evil emperor (Darth Vader) who overthrew Japan or something like that and then this master samurai (Ob-Wan Kenobi) or something like that got this princess who had knew something about some fortress (Death Star) and these 2 peasants (R2-D2, C3PO) followed them to the fortress. The emperor and the king had some showdown at the end, like at the end of Star Wars. I haven't seen either in along time and Hidden Fortress is really vague in my mind as it was Japanese and boring as anything!

Bells
07-10-2007, 06:45 PM
I believe most of what Snopes said, from my earlier post. I don't think it's all been done although some bits are questionable. If you read what's said in detail though, for the Rescuers pictures, they could well have been put in afterwards by others who came into contact with the movie. I don't really understand why the makers and people who worked for Disney itself would want to jeopardise their situation. For some of the things, as I mentioned previously, I think the workers were entitled to do it for a bit of fun. I've always been a huge Disney film fan, and I still am anyway. The films are absolutely brilliant, and I feel as if I grew up in the best generation.

The Lion King/Kimba similarity is the only story I'm disappointed in. But having said that, what's so bad about taking an idea and trying to make it purely brilliant with a stroke of genius? That could have been the thinking behind it, but then it's a favourable view. Either way, I do still like Disney and I think if you read the link I posted earlier a lot of the theories can be dismissed if you choose to believe them anyway.

Scarlett.
07-10-2007, 06:47 PM
I wouldnt have liked Kimba anyway "The Lion King" rocks!

cujo-man
07-10-2007, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by Ash
The Lion King/Kimba similarity is the only story I'm disappointed in. But having said that, what's so bad about taking an idea and trying to make it purely brilliant with a stroke of genius?

As I have posted, this was done with Star Wars aswell.

officialleafan
07-10-2007, 06:52 PM
But everyone makes mistakes. One thing i noticed was that the films listed above were very 'old' (althoug been re-released) Disney films, and they haven't made any mistakes on the modern one's.

cujo-man
07-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by officialleafan
But everyone makes mistakes. One thing i noticed was that the films listed above were very 'old' (althoug been re-released) Disney films, and they haven't made any mistakes on the modern one's.

Aladdin and The Lion Kng aren't that old.

Also no-one would notice any mistakes in Disney films these days as no-one goes to see them anymore!

Retroman
07-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Ripping off films = ridiculous...
Companies and people are making lots of money, leeching off other people's ideas. Which means they rely on us to produce sales, for liking something we thought was original.

Then again, as long as it works and it creates good viewing, then I can't see too much reason to complain. But I still think it's wrong of them to get credit, fame and wealth for next to no original work.

As for placing sexual material in Disney movies, perhaps I would be slightly bothered by it if I had kids who witnessed and noticed things whilst watching the film.

As for me personally, I think it's just a bit of fun the staff decided to have and it's actually rather funny. As im at an age where sexual material doesn't offend me, it doesn't really cause a problem, but instead just becomes an interesting fact.

officialleafan
08-10-2007, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Retroman
Ripping off films = ridiculous...
Companies and people are making lots of money, leeching off other people's ideas. Which means they rely on us to produce sales, for liking something we thought was original.

Then again, as long as it works and it creates good viewing, then I can't see too much reason to complain. But I still think it's wrong of them to get credit, fame and wealth for next to no original work.

As for placing sexual material in Disney movies, perhaps I would be slightly bothered by it if I had kids who witnessed and noticed things whilst watching the film.

As for me personally, I think it's just a bit of fun the staff decided to have and it's actually rather funny. As Im at an age where sexual material doesn't offend me, it doesn't really cause a problem, but instead just becomes an interesting fact.


But if i was a parent and my child was listening to someone they 'thought' was a hero say 'Take off your clothes' It woul effect me deeply.

Bells
08-10-2007, 04:08 PM
I thought we established that wasn't said though :hugesmile: (from Snopes).
You can choose to believe it based on what you read and hear there, but I don't anyway.

officialleafan
08-10-2007, 04:10 PM
From the audio that i heard, (the Aladdin one) it sounded like that was said.

duaxeallowed
08-11-2007, 10:39 AM
i watched my rescuers DVD and couldnt see no topless woman on it so this is all fake