Do you believe in Bigfoot?

[cujo-man]

I most certainly do. I know some people might think I'm stupid and naive and crazy for thinking so - but stop for a second there is some evidence.

For I'll give you Exhibit A. The Patterson-Gimlin Film and the first ever filming of Bigfoot. Of course this isn't the first sighting as the purpose of setting out was to film Bigfoot. This was shot in the 60s and there is some proven evidence that this isn't just some guy walking along in a gorilla suit as I firstly believed -

This is the original film with nothing enhanced or edited

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaHDa3gd8Qk

And this is it zoomed in -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Khbis2GPw&mode=related&search=

I would suggest watching the first video a couple of times at look at it a big more closely.

[cujo-man]

Exhibit B-

This is a documentary showing how in no way could that Bigfoot be a guy in a suit.

First off, not even the best special effects wizards can recreate today, and this film was made in the 60s. Nowadays we have CGI so it'd be easier to edit in a fake bigfoot. In these days the ony solution was a suit. Robertson was dirt poor and so he couldn't afford to make a suit quite so realistic as in the tape.

Documentary-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YktEWmLVTvM&mode=related&search=

[supernoodles!]

eee i havent thought about him/it in ages lol.i remember being facinated by stuff like that when i was little

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
eee i havent thought about him/it in ages lol.i remember being facinated by stuff like that when i was little

Yea. I just remebered about it when there was that thread about sex messages.

I can't find the last piece of film I was going to put up but heres the rest.

There are supposedly 2000 atleast living in North Calofornia nad when closely examined you can see Bigfoot's children in the background in the bushes. The bigfoot in the tape is away as it has boobs.

[supernoodles!]

I really cant make my mind up about this one...

[Retroman]

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that portrays something that we don't know whether it exists or not, through film = Void.

Endless UFO sightings are recorded on film, the loch ness monster as well as Big foot...
And the reason none of those films are considered evidence is because films can be tampered with, faked or they can be low quality etc.

As for people saying "this is the original, not enhanced or changed"
1. Of course they're going to say that.
2. It can still be faked, whether the filming is genuine or not.

I think the Bigfoots lifespan would be at an end by now...
Or that people who have reportedly seen it, would have spread the word, and people would have hunted it down.

Just because it's an unknown creature, doesn't mean it has magical powers to become invisible or teleport away =/

Also, ask yourselves why people film these things then release them and make profit off of it? but they don't even consider actually capturing the beast for themselves and making further profit? Because they're making money off a fake film, and can't produce any further evidence.

Im sure some of its hairs would have been left behind where they filmed it etc, picked up for DNA testing and what not. But nope, never happens now does it?

Like I said, whoever discovers this thing would be rich and famous beyond their wildest dreams...
And im sure there are many believers who have and are hunting it down in the area's it has been "sighted"
It would have been found by now, you can't just put it down to the mysterious creature having some special ability to avoid humans who are hunting it down. Afterall, it walks infront of the camera often enough =]

[supernoodles!]

awww dont ruin it for me lol.I want him to exist:laugh:

[Bells]

Oh, I never know when it comes to things like this. I always wanted to believe in the Loch Ness Monster as well. But, based on what I’ve read just now and the videos etc. – a lot of what’s been said does make sense. Creating such a costume would indeed have been difficult. But then you have to ask yourself if the film itself may be unreliable as a source, which of course it tends to be.

Often the person videoing may not approach what they saw rationally and instead pass it off as a ‘sighting’. With these matters, it doesn’t matter about the facts anymore as everyone is faced with the same amount of knowledge – it’s more about whether you want to believe these things or not. If you choose to, you’re not normally left with lots of evidence. When I was younger, I remember not being as fascinated by Bigfoot as for example The Loch Ness Monster – even though Bigfoot’s said to be a ‘wild man’, I just saw a gorilla!

Like I mentioned at the start though, I’m one of those people who likes to believe in them until the last possible moment. :spin2:

[cujo-man]

Bigfoot (Sasquatch) is an animal much similair to humans and gorillas. Can't remember what the species is call right now though.

In Africa, there was a type of gorilla in the jungle, that people knew about but could never seem to find. Bigfoot could be the same kind of deal.

The videos I have shown you do prove it. The film was sent away to be examined straight after - and to be honest, if you saw bigfoot, would you confront it?

No-one is saying Bigfoot is a magical creature. I'm saying its just a new species of animal not yet been discovered.

[supernoodles!]

Me too:laugh3:

[Retroman]

Originally posted by cujo-man
Bigfoot (Sasquatch) is an animal much similair to humans and gorillas. Can't remember what the species is call right now though.

In Africa, there was a type of gorilla in the jungle, that people knew about but could never seem to find. Bigfoot could be the same kind of deal.

The videos I have shown you do prove it. The film was sent away to be examined straight after - and to be honest, if you saw bigfoot, would you confront it?

No-one is saying Bigfoot is a magical creature. I'm saying its just a new species of animal not yet been discovered.

Knowing about things you can't find isn't really good enough in my opinion...
Everything that I KNOW about, I can find and point it out to you.

And if the video's you've shown proved anything, then it would be worldwide news and the argument would be officially over. The creators of those films would be on television discussing how they finally ended the case of "Is Bigfoot real?" and we wouldn't be debating it.

If I saw Bigfoot, I would confront it.
Id come back with a team of people, find it and capture it.
Or id at least report it to animal experts who are trained to capture Gorillas etc, and let them capture it.

Either way id go down in history as the man who discovered Bigfoot and id probably never have to work again =] you'd be mad not to do anything about it.

If he was real, then he'd need to stem from a certain breed of animal thats evolved just like he has. Which would mean there are many Bigfoots, or were many Bigfoots, in order to create the possibility for him to be alive in todays day and age.

So either the hundreds of years of evolution that resulted in the Bigfoot being created were completely ignored and nobody ever witnessed one for all those years...
Or there are many Bigfoots alive today and we're all too stupid to capture even just one.

It's all very conveniant.
Fact of the matter is, people will always continue to believe in it because one will never be captured [because there isn't one.] so it will never end =]

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
Knowing about things you can't find isn't really good enough in my opinion...
Everything that I KNOW about, I can find and point it out to you.

And if the video's you've shown proved anything, then it would be worldwide news and the argument would be officially over. The creators of those films would be on television discussing how they finally ended the case of "Is Bigfoot real?" and we wouldn't be debating it.

If I saw Bigfoot, I would confront it.
Id come back with a team of people, find it and capture it.
Or id at least report it to animal experts who are trained to capture Gorillas etc, and let them capture it.

Either way id go down in history as the man who discovered Bigfoot and id probably never have to work again =] you'd be mad not to do anything about it.

If he was real, then he'd need to stem from a certain breed of animal thats evolved just like he has. Which would mean there are many Bigfoots, or were many Bigfoots, in order to create the possibility for him to be alive in todays day and age.

So either the hundreds of years of evolution that resulted in the Bigfoot being created were completely ignored and nobody ever witnessed one for all those years...
Or there are many Bigfoots alive today and we're all too stupid to capture even just one.

It's all very conveniant.
Fact of the matter is, people will always continue to believe in it because one will never be captured [because there isn't one.] so it will never end =]

You know, since it was a film obviously it doesn't settle it completely, but it does deliver some pretty strong evidence. Also, whos to say Bigfoot wouldn't kill you if you confronted it? Also how are you going to get the team there in team it'll probably have left.

I said there is about 2000, but from what is known they usually walk around the forests on Northern Califonia, never staying in the same place.

[Retroman]

Kill me?
Lol nothing a few tranquilizers wouldn't sort out...

If they walk on two feet, then they could potentially be classed as slightly more dangerous than a Gorilla. Though im not sure what their teeth situation/hunting style is like, so I can't quite say if they'd be more dangerous than a tiger/lion when it comes to damaging you.

Either way, they're not giant monsters that go on a rampage killing everything in sight. So if we can tame and capture lions/tigers/Gorillas, im sure we could capture one of them also. Either by force, or tactics.

It shouldn't even be possible for one Bigfoot to go uncaptured after all this time, nevermind 2000. I think it's just a classic case of a belief, plenty of reasons why it doesn't exist, and no reasons why it does besides opinion.

Id love there to be a Bigfoot, don't get me wrong...
But with todays people, technology and know how, I think we've done a good job of discovering every single creature in existance and captured samples of each and every one.

There are even specific bugs and such that only emerge every twenty years, for a few days, then disappear for another twenty years. If we can discover small bugs that barely spend more than a week on the planet in our entire lifetime, im sure we can officially discover 2000 giant ape like men roaming the forests.

[supernoodles!]

yeah but you never know there could always be the exception

[XxShortyxX]

I remember seeing thatclip year's ago. I think in the end they proved it was actually a guy dressed up :bigsmile:

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by XxShortyxX
I remember seeing thatclip year's ago. I think in the end they proved it was actually a guy dressed up :bigsmile:

No they didn't. Its been proven impossible. Watch the second tape.

And its may be possible you've seen the clip - the film was made in the 60s!

[Sod_James]

mite just be an extremly hairy man lol.

[Conor]

We've been doing a project about bigfoot for school, and I think theres to much evidence proving a 9ft ape inhabits the american forests. I used to beleive though.

[dupin]

I was watching a documentery a few weeks ago, and they interviewed the guy behind the Bigfoot Hoax. So yeah, it was a hoax....

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by dupin
I was watching a documentery a few weeks ago, and they interviewed the guy behind the Bigfoot Hoax. So yeah, it was a hoax....

And how was this hoax done?

[XxShortyxX]

Originally posted by dupin
I was watching a documentery a few weeks ago, and they interviewed the guy behind the Bigfoot Hoax. So yeah, it was a hoax....


Yeah, I saw it years ago. They proved it was all a hoax, some people are just so guliable:bigsmile:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by cujo-man
No they didn't. Its been proven impossible. Watch the second tape.

And its may be possible you've seen the clip - the film was made in the 60s!

So the argument for authenticity relies on the fact they have not found the suit.

Suppose the hoaxers decided to destroy it?

One sighting on film is not reliable evidence. Why no tracking evidence, samples of dung? What would such creatures be feeding on, where is the evidence of such feeding activity.

Just because others have not figured a way to do something, does not authenticate this footage, maybe someone did some lateral thinking which other copycats have not done.

[Retroman]

Originally posted by Conor
We've been doing a project about bigfoot for school, and I think theres to much evidence proving a 9ft ape inhabits the american forests. I used to beleive though.

There's too much evidence proving it exists? but you USED to believe?

Lol that makes no sense.
Also, there is no evidence. Evidence = undeniable proof of something. If the evidence is even just slightly deniable, it becomes unreliable evidence.

If there was even one bit of evidence proving Bigfoots existance, we wouldn't have to debate whether it is real or not. If there was "too much" then we wouldn't need to debate it even more so.

[big_brother_simon]

I don't believe that Bigfoot exists, Yeti's, Loch-Ness monsters, Ufo's, Ghosts no real proof, just the imagination running wild. We can all daydream and think and hallucinate, which then for some becomes some sort of reality. Not reality, just myth and belief. I wont aggrivate those that do believe, thats fair enough right, but for me and many other disbelievers i'll opt out of that.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Sticks
So the argument for authenticity relies on the fact they have not found the suit.

Suppose the hoaxers decided to destroy it?


Actually know. My argument relies on the fact that no-one has been able to replicate anything close to the bigfoot on the screen.

There is no prove for Bigfoot, but there is also no proof against it either.

[Retroman]

The proof against it = It's never been caught or properly found.
We're more than capable of tracking it down these days =] MORE than capable.

If there was a creature of this sort to be found, we would have found it.
Common sense is the proof it doesn't exist, such as the mention of its hair/excrement not ever being found.

If the only argument anyone can present is "oh well you can't prove it doesn't exist, so it does! plus, look at these videos online!" then that is just plain stupid. Mainly because, to prove it doesn't exist I would have to show you the entire planet all at once without any traces of Bigfoot.

If someone hadn't started the rumours about Bigfoot, then nobody would have "filmed" it and you wouldn't even be aware of it. Hence, the only reason you believe in it is because of the media. Without that, the thought of Bigfoot would never have even entered your head.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
The proof against it = It's never been caught or properly found.

No-one on this forums ever seen me before, but you still no I exist.

[Retroman]

That's because you're typing on a forum, holding a conversation =]
So of course you exist.
That was an awful comparison to make.

When a Bigfoot learns to type, then registers for thisisbigbrother.com, get back to me.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
When a Bigfoot learns to type, then registers for thisisbigbrother.com, get back to me.

:laugh2:

Sorry, but thats the funniest thing I've heard all day! Bigfoot coming on to talk about Big Brother! :laugh3:

And yes it was terrible comparison, but you haven't been on the moon but you know it exists! How do you know scientists aren't just tricking us and its all an optical illusion?

[Retroman]

Lol...
1. Id ask them what technology they used in order to create a giant circular image in the sky viewable all over the planet.

2. Id ask them why they have so much time on their hands that they wanted to trick us into thinking we have our own moon.

Oh, plus scientifically, if the moon didn't exist then the tides would become out of control and the world would end =]

But if it was an illusion, that'd be proof that people can be tricked into believing in things. Such as Bigfoot.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
Lol...
1. Id ask them what technology they used in order to create a giant circular image in the sky viewable all over the planet.

2. Id ask them why they have so much time on their hands that they wanted to trick us into thinking we have our own moon.

Oh, plus scientifically, if the moon didn't exist then the tides would become out of control and the world would end =]

But if it was an illusion, that'd be proof that people can be tricked into believing in things. Such as Bigfoot.

Well, who do you people trust more scientists or you? Because the scientists could just tell us that the tides would become out of control and the world would end. How do we know if they're lyin are not?

I don't know why they want to trick - but then why would anyone start the bigfoot legend?

[Retroman]

Originally posted by cujo-man
Well, who do you people trust more scientists or you? Because the scientists could just tell us that the tides would become out of control and the world would end. How do we know if they're lyin are not?

I don't know why they want to trick - but then why would anyone start the bigfoot legend?

Science isn't a matter of trust, it's just plain fact.
You could research every single piece of scientific evidence yourself and find out it's true if you wanted.

That's how I know if they're lying or not, because if I do the research myself, I come to the same conclusions as they did. And so would you.

Legends = Stories.
Why do people make up stories?
Because they're interesting, imaginative and most stories come from a time when there were no televisions/computers/games, but books and tales to keep us entertained.

Like I said, there are many animals and bugs etc that are far rarer than Bigfoot, and much harder to find, yet they've all been found =] because they are real.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
That's how I know if they're lying or not, because if I do the research myself, I come to the same conclusions as they did. And so would you.

Legends = Stories.
Why do people make up stories?
Because they're interesting, imaginative and most stories come from a time when there were no televisions/computers/games, but books and tales to keep us entertained.

Like I said, there are many animals and bugs etc that are far rarer than Bigfoot, and much harder to find, yet they've all been found =] because they are real.

The moons a story!

[Retroman]

It is?
"Once upon a time, there was a moon! the people in my local village SWEAR they saw it! it was big, and round and scary looking..."

Ah yea, I remember that one =] lol.

Look out of the window, there should be a moon, but no Bigfoot.
The moon is something that exists, that the occasional person made stories up about/ nursery rhymes etc.

Bigfoot is something that comes from a story.

It's the equivalent of believing in orcs because of Lord of the Rings being written.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
It is?
"Once upon a time, there was a moon! the people in my local village SWEAR they saw it! it was big, and round and scary looking..."

Ah yea, I remember that one =] lol.

Look out of the window, there should be a moon, but no Bigfoot.
The moon is something that exists, that the occasional person made stories up about/ nursery rhymes etc.

Bigfoot is something that comes from a story.

It's the equivalent of believing in orcs because of Lord of the Rings being written.

If you can say bigfoot is made-up like orcs, I can say the moon is too - there is no evidence for alot of things. We can never be too sure about anything.

[Retroman]

It's outside of your window godammit! lol
I refuse to maintain an argument with someone telling me the moon is a trick made by scientists.

So the moon is fake and Bigfoot is real.
Let that be the end of it.

To me it sounds like you enjoy believing everything is the opposite of what it is, in order to make things more interesting for yourself.

You'd much rather believe im not real, the grass isn't real, the stars and the sky aren't real, but Bigfoot, Yeti's, Loch ness monsters, Ghosts and trolls are all out there.

Which I can only assume is your way of running away from reality, for some unknown reason.

[cujo-man]

Originally posted by Retroman
It's outside of your window godammit! lol
I refuse to maintain an argument with someone telling me the moon is a trick made by scientists.

So the moon is fake and Bigfoot is real.
Let that be the end of it.

To me it sounds like you enjoy believing everything is the opposite of what it is, in order to make things more interesting for yourself.

You'd much rather believe Im not real, the grass isn't real, the stars and the sky aren't real, but Bigfoot, Yeti's, Loch ness monsters, Ghosts and trolls are all out there.

Which I can only assume is your way of running away from reality, for some unknown reason.

Emmm . . . okay lol.

Getting a little psychological.

If you can say Bigfoot is fake, I can say the moon is fake - simple as.

Anyway, I checked. The moon isn't outside my window tonight.:shrug:

[Retroman]

You can say whatever you like is fake...
And deny that the huge circular light in the sky is real.

Doesn't make it true =]
Many people said the planet was flat, but they were wrong.
Problem is, you're the type of person to say that perhaps they were all right and the planet is actually flat. Which is just your way of being awkward.

This arguments just steadily become more petty.
Your way of proving that bigfoot exists is by saying something completely mad, and claiming that the moon is fake.

There's no logic there at all.
You might as well say "That tree in your garden isn't real, it's actually an alien lifeform in disguise living off the soil so it can someday fly back to its own planet, that's why Bigfoot is real"

It makes no sense, and has nothing to do with it.
It scares me to think some people think like this, it really does.

[Shaun]

Yes. I also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa.

[SparkyX3]

Ah I dont believe in it... but I do believe that there are people with big feet :P

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Shaun
Yes. I also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa.


Shaun, I think you take a seat. I have some bad news for you ....