what do you think of this?

[supernoodles!]

Apollo 11 Moon Landings were faked by NASA
sorry if its been posted before...

Proponents of the Apollo moon landing hoax accusations allege that the Apollo Moon Landings never took place, and were faked by NASA with possible CIA support. Enthusiasts of this theory claim that:



The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation
The photos were altered: the Crosshairs on some photos appear to be behind objects, rather than in front of them where they should be
The quality of the photographs is implausibly high.
There are no stars in any of the photos, and astronauts never report seeing any stars from the capsule windows.
Identical backgrounds in photos that are listed as taken miles apart.
The moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that camera film would have melted.
No blast crater appeared from the landing
The launch rocket produced no visible flame.
The flag placed on the surface by the astronauts flapped despite there being no wind on the Moon.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : supernoodles!

The flag placed on the surface by the astronauts flapped despite there being no wind on the Moon.

Like the past one, the flag got springs. :thumbs:

[Ruth*Star]

I never thought of it ever being faked.

[supernoodles!]

me niether

[Sticks]

The evidence put forward by those claiming NASA faked the moon landings usually shows a complete lack of understanding about how the real world works

Here are two movies I have made on this subject


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ay3tUi68E

and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N5Aou5BfhM

I also refer you to here (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) and here (http://www.clavius.org) for further reading on how these hoax claims are shear nonsense.

If you have further questions, there is the Bad Astronomy and Universe Today forum (http://www.bautforum.com) and the Apollo Hoax forum (http://apollohoax.proboards21.com)

[Spike]

I watched a programme about it being fake before, it was really convinving now I think it was faked.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Spike
I watched a programme about it being fake before, it was really convinving now I think it was faked.

Was that "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'', hosted by X-Files actor Mitch Pileggi?

If so, this is a thoroughly good site (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) that debunks it point by point

[Spike]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Spike
I watched a programme about it being fake before, it was really convinving now I think it was faked.

Was that "Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'', hosted by X-Files actor Mitch Pileggi?

If so, this is a thoroughly good site (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) that debunks it point by point

I don't know if that was it, I remember it was on a few year ago and on channel 5 I think.

[Conor]

I will never beleive man has landed on the moon, EVER! I love reading all these theores. There seem to be more proving NASA wrong every day :) They'll have to admit someday.

Another thing I find strange. Land a few miles away from area 51 is identical to some of the land on the Moon shots, and how was the capsule filmed landing if no one else had visited the moon before hand

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Spike
I don't know if that was it, I remember it was on a few year ago and on channel 5 I think.


Yes it is that one, it was Channel five that showed it, it also aired the program The Truth behind the Moon Landings which debunked the moon hoax theorists.


Originally posted by Conor
I will never beleive man has landed on the moon, EVER! I love reading all these theores. There seem to be more proving NASA wrong every day :) They'll have to admit someday.

Another thing I find strange. Land a few miles away from area 51 is identical to some of the land on the Moon shots, and how was the capsule filmed landing if no one else had visited the moon before hand

What shot of the landing were you thinking of? All the shots I know of were taken from the LEM. The shot of them going down the LEM ladder was done from a camera on a boom, that the astronaut swung into position prior to the EVA.

As for lift off on the later missions this was done from a remotely operated camera on the lunar rover, and it took several goes to get it right, as it was controlled from the ground.

One question, this was during the height of the cold war, if it was faked, the Russians, and several others would have exposed it as a fake, but the Russians acknowledged that they did it. Why would they have gone along with it if they could have humiliated them?

[Sunny_01]

I just dont get why man has not been able to land on the moon since the first alleged trip up there? it confuses me, the americans are sure to have sent more and more people if they really could.

[Tom]

For:

1) How can they gather the evidence in order to form a theory if some of the things are impossible to test without sending people up there?

Against:

1) They would have sent more people up
2) The strong evidence against e.g. the flapping flag, the shadows theory etc

There is some overwhelming evidence against but then it begs the question how do they know some of the facts in the first place? I still lean towards not believing the moon landing.

[bananarama]

Of course it was fake. The only reason America are now revisiting the ide of so called going back to the moon is because.......

China is getting closer and closer to being able to send unmanned probes with High definition photography and guess what America knows the Chinese will find no evidence of a moon landing unless of course the present American race for the moon can get there first and fake a reconstruction of the moon landing for the Chinese probes to discover.

[Jack]

The conspiracy theory that the moon landing was fake is one of the most bullsh*t theories out there.

[bananarama]

The argument in favour of the landing is the biggest load of Bull manure in the history of mankind..

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I just dont get why man has not been able to land on the moon since the first alleged trip up there? it confuses me, the americans are sure to have sent more and more people if they really could.

They stopped going due to political will, moon shots are considered expensive, although the budget for NASA is only a fraction of that for social security in terms of GDP. Once they had beaten the soviets, various people in influence did not see the point of pouring money into it so Apollo was cancelled and they concentrated on the Space Shuttle.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Tom_
Against:

1) They would have sent more people up


Politics got in the way as the public could not see the point of continuing, since the aim was to beat the Soviets and that had been done. The politicians who believe long term planning is what am I having for lunch killed Apollo.

Originally posted by Tom_
2) The strong evidence against e.g. the flapping flag,


The flag is not flapping, it was waving. The flag was supported on a springy metal cross bar to hold it up. As the vertical pole was twisted to push it into the lunar soil, torque was given to the flag so it sprang back and waved when it was released. With out air to damp it, it waved for a while. To demonstrate
this, get a sheet of chain mail, on a pole, supported by a cross bar and twist it so you can dig it into the soil. Then observe the inertia of the chain mail cause it to wave until friction dampens it down.

Originally posted by Tom_
the shadows theory etc


If this is non parallel shadows, then see my first move I did and look at the attached photograph I took. Non parallel shadows, here on Earth, in Newcastle with one point light source, the Sun.

Originally posted by Tom_
There is some overwhelming evidence against


Such as? - please don't resort to hand waving statements like "There is so much evidence" etc, be specific

Originally posted by Tom_
I still lean towards not believing the moon landing.

So how come the Soviets acknowledge it, they were America's adversaries at that time due to the cold war.

[Shaun]

I'm with Sticks on this one - the claims against the moon landing are flawed, and devised by crackpots who just wish to use it against the USA for other agendas.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bananarama
Of course it was fake. The only reason America are now revisiting the ide of so called going back to the moon is because.......

China is getting closer and closer to being able to send unmanned probes with High definition photography and guess what America knows the Chinese will find no evidence of a moon landing unless of course the present American race for the moon can get there first and fake a reconstruction of the moon landing for the Chinese probes to discover.

Where this argument falls down is that China was not, exactly that friendly with the US, even though Nixon visited it. Why would they wait to expose a fraud. Like the Soviets they had the technology to track space craft, after all they did enter the nuclear club by themselves. The Chinese, like the Russians never questioned the authenticity of Apollo.

[Sticks]

Just in case anyone is able to, Mythbusters today on Discovery Channel at 18:00 will be looking at the claims of the conspiracy theorists and putting them to the test.

[rayheartbliss]

im not realy sure wether it was a fake!

but what gets to me is that! how come back at that time when technoligy wasnt as advance as it is now was able to get them on the moon, where as we cant even get to the moon with all the technology we have...

apollo 11 was probably by luck! ^,^

[Sticks]

The problem was that after they landed on the moon, political will was not behind it any more and so a lot of the technology was scrapped.

You could say the same about supersonic passenger flight as we no longer have Concorde

Political and commercial will.

[Tom]

If politics weren't behind it, surely in 40 years they could have made another trip back to the moon by getting funds in someway, and surely they could just recreate the technology that was around back then? It has to be on file somewhere.

[Z]

Originally posted by Tom
If politics weren't behind it, surely in 40 years they could have made another trip back to the moon by getting funds in someway, and surely they could just recreate the technology that was around back then? It has to be on file somewhere.

Surely, but they haven't - which suggests to me they feel there is no need to "prove" it, and nobody else feels the need to "disprove" it either, so I just take the moon landing to be fact, and a very impressive achievement.