What Should The Age Of Consent Be?? [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Conor

14-10-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by supernoodles!
i dont know becuase the law says that my boyfriend should be on the sex offenders register becuase i had sex when i was 14 and my boyfriend was 17.But i think this is wrong,its not like he forced me,I WANTED IT.
Its a stupid law but i realise they have to set boundries somewhere along the line

Yes, you should only get arrested if it's rape.

xDramatick

14-10-2007, 06:17 PM

Fifteen.
That way, you can make a definate decision whether you're ready or not, and you don't have to wait until you're sixteen.

supernoodles!

14-10-2007, 06:23 PM

but no one is going to listen to the law if its somethingn they really want there not gonna turn round and say oh darn we`ll be braking the law.Whats the point in it anyway nothing happens if you go against it lol

Conor

14-10-2007, 06:26 PM

I have friends that have 'done it' in sheds! It just show that no ones ever probably going to be arrested unless reported. It is a bit scary that its legal for 12 year olds to have sex in some countries though.

supernoodles!

14-10-2007, 06:30 PM

ive broken the law as far as age goes with sex,smoking and alcohol but i havent turned out any different to those who diddnt,or at least i dont think so.

supernoodles!

14-10-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Conor
I have friends that have 'done it' in sheds! It just show that no ones ever probably going to be arrested unless reported. It is a bit scary that its legal for 12 year olds to have sex in some countries though.

lol in sheds.teens often do it in odd places,no other option at times is there.Not that ive had sex in a shed before lol

Billy

14-10-2007, 07:16 PM

It should be 45

Retroman

14-10-2007, 07:31 PM

I don't see any countries on that photo that fall in line with the 12+ category/colour?

I personally think it doesn't matter, as people have obviously proven that they'll have sex whenever they like.

However, believe it or not some people are influenced into having sex around the legal age/after the legal age, instead of before...
Which should be considered a good thing, considering the amount of teenage pregnancies and STD's.

One thing I will say is that it shouldn't be lowered.
Say for example 12 year olds think it's ok to have sex [which just makes me plain sick at the thought of little kids that age doing such things.] then people even younger than that will know they're approaching the legal age and start thinking about sex at nine or ten years old. If 14/15 year olds are legally allowed, then more 12/13 year olds will be having sex.

The age of consent doesn't normally effect the individual in the majority of cases, but it does affect the overall statistics for pregnancies/sex/STD's at least slightly.

Perhaps if it was increased to 17/18 [nothing too high, or else people will compeltely disregard the law altogether.] then a few less people would have sex before then and a few lives might be saved, STD's prevented, and unhappy single mothers produced, kids without fathers or kids placed in care etc.

I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle

14-10-2007, 10:19 PM

I would say 15. Kids today grow up fast and at 15 they are old enough to have sex. Any younger is pushing the bounderies a bit.

I think it is unlikely to ever be reduced below 16, as too many people would complain. Probably people who should be minding their own business and have empty lives or too much time on their hands or something. Complain, complain, complain about what innocent people wish to get up to in their own private lives. Perhaps thats what big brother theory is all about? Looking nosily into peoples lives and actually making problems instead of solving problems.

Many 15 year olds have sex with 17/18 year olds anyhow. It is sad when they end up being charged over it. But the law is there to protect, so they say:rolleyes:

Protect from what exactly?

A political decision made by politicians who probably broke that law in the first place - in secret. That sounds about right:rolleyes:

Shaun

14-10-2007, 10:24 PM

I say 16 is fine as it is.

Captain.Remy

15-10-2007, 05:58 AM

I voted for 16 but I'm not conviced anyway.
This law exists just in order to definite paedophilia, nothing else. If you have sex under, you won't be arrested that's ridiculous, unless you shout is front of a policeman lol
The best age is when you are ready of course.

I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle

15-10-2007, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by sunshine30
I voted for 16 but I'm not conviced anyway.
This law exists just in order to definite paedophilia, nothing else. If you have sex under, you won't be arrested that's ridiculous, unless you shout is front of a policeman lol
The best age is when you are ready of course.

I also need to point out that specific grey area, such as a 15 year old boy having sex with a 15 year old girl. It is illegal to have sex at 15 but believe me when I say, nobody would get prosecuted in that example.

Your comment :'The best age is when you are ready of course.' Is exactly what happens. Law or no law, somewhere in the world many will be having sex right now - illegally.

Retroman

15-10-2007, 10:09 AM

Lowering the age wouldn't make any remote difference to anyone...
Besides possibly resulting in more people having sex, especially the one's who stick to the law strictly or are influenced by the legal age.

Lowering for the individual means nothing.
Lowering to fifteen for the nation = more sex = more pregnancies = more abortions = more STD's.

So overall it seems like a negative thing.
People should have sex if and when they feel it is right, and they will usually do so. Im just speaking from the outlook on the laws affect on the country [which is what it's designed for.]

I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle

15-10-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Retroman
Lowering the age wouldn't make any remote difference to anyone...
Besides possibly resulting in more people having sex, especially the one's who stick to the law strictly or are influenced by the legal age.

Lowering for the individual means nothing.
Lowering to fifteen for the nation = more sex = more pregnancies = more abortions = more STD's.

So overall it seems like a negative thing.
People should have sex if and when they feel it is right, and they will usually do so. Im just speaking from the outlook on the laws affect on the country [which is what it's designed for.]

I don't think that everyone would agree that lowering the age to 15 would be that bad. Many girls and boys who are at school and feel the need to suddenly have sex behind the bike-shed would welcome that. Of course many 14 & 13 year olds would do the same, as they fall into that same grey area as I mentioned above. So the law wouldn't matter to them.

But if a 70 year old man and a 16 year old school girl fall's in love and have sex constantly, that is not illegal or even paedophelic legally. But if the law was changed and it was reduced to 15, then it would be felt from many that it is rather disgusting. I don't know really the ideal answer to all of this. I guess it is just parents and other people sticking their unwanted noses where it is not wanted. Everyone has their own lives to lead and their own choices to make. Who gives the right for someone to dictate what someone should and shouldn't do in the privacy of your own home if it is legally okay. Busybodies - that's who.

I don't think there would be more pregnancies. I think there would be more sex-education at school and teaching children about the hazards of getting pregnant so early on. 'A condom machine in the coridoor of the school' - can you see that? Anything is indeed possible in the future.

Retroman

15-10-2007, 10:52 AM

Well of course, as I said...it wouldn't be bad for the individual. They simply don't care either way, if they want to have sex behind the bike sheds they'll do so regardless. Which is why the age limit really doesn't matter if we're going to focus on the individuals opinion.

Which is why a lot of people are saying "who cares, we'll have sex when we want, everyone should stop judging and get out of our lives" or something to that effect.

If we're going to focus on the nation however, all those people who stick to the rules [of which there are some.] and do decide to wait until sixteen before sex, will now only be waiting until fifteen.

So a whole extra years worth of law abiding people who wait until after the age of consent will be added to the total amount of teenagers having sex. Which will contribute to more sex, which will contribute to more pregnancies and many other negative sex related things.

You've got to remember that not everyone has a "don't stick your nose in, i'll have sex when I want" attitude, and not everyone thinks as you or others might do. Some people really do prefer to wait until the legal age, for their own personal reasons. Hence a lower legal age meaning more sex/pregnancies/abortions/STD's in my eyes.

Billy

15-10-2007, 02:09 PM

Who the hell voted for 12? THe majority of 12 year olds havent hit puberty yet !

Shaun

15-10-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by CynicalConspiracy
Also, even though you are allowed to drink at 18, a lot of retailers wont sell you alcohol if you are under 21. That makes no sense to me.

Really? I've never seen an example of that. :shocked: I know of the "If you look under 21 you need ID" policy...but are there cases where you HAVE to be 21 to buy it? :conf2:

Good overall post though, the consenting ages are all very complicated and some are a bit ridiculous.

Such as - you can have sex and make a pornography tape at 16, but can't watch it until you're 18. :laugh2:

Captain.Remy

15-10-2007, 02:25 PM

Message original : CynicalConspiracy
My apologies Shaun. I misunderstood the "21" thing. You are right. It's been a few years since I got ID'ed unfortunately, so that's my excuse for getting it wrong. :spin:

I think you might be wrong about the pornography. Isn't the age limit 18 regarding pornographic photos and films ?

(again, I may be wrong - rare as it is - it does happen lol)

Yes but sometimes it's 21 in some US States. :thumbs:

Captain.Remy

15-10-2007, 02:31 PM

Message original : CynicalConspiracy
Yeah, I knew that.

I was thinking of UK law though and mistakenly thought it was 21, when it was actually "if you look under 21, you get ID'ed".

I think I might need more coffee. :tongue:

I see you are in France. What are the laws over there?

15 y-o in order to have sex.
16 y-o in order to buy cigarets and alcohol.
16 y-o and a month in order to go in bars and nightclubs.
18 y-o in order to have a car and everything else.

Retroman

15-10-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Shaun
Really? I've never seen an example of that. :shocked: I know of the "If you look under 21 you need ID" policy...but are there cases where you HAVE to be 21 to buy it? :conf2:

I visited my local Spar and was told they serve over 21's only, and wasn't actually allowed to purchase any alcohol.

Whereas the Spar five minutes walk up the road, served people who were over 18.

The legal age to purchase alcohol is 18, both shops were of the same company, but both shops had two completely different legal alcohol purchasing ages.

Whether that's allowed, im not sure.
The reason behind it, im not sure.
But it happened none the less.

Ruth

15-10-2007, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by supernoodles!
i dont know becuase the law says that my boyfriend should be on the sex offenders register becuase i had sex when i was 14 and my boyfriend was 17.But i think this is wrong,its not like he forced me,I WANTED IT.
Its a stupid law but i realise they have to set boundries somewhere along the line

Yes, you should only get arrested if it's rape.

It's technically classed as rape if someone is considered too young to make a mature decision. I mean what if an 8 year old girl for example decided that she wanted to have se with someone? She almost certainly would not realise what was involved, and is clearly not old enough to make the decision for herself - but you're saying that unless she was made to have sex against her will, the man who had sex with her should not be arrested? That is why there has to be an age of consent.

Shaun

15-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Ruth, off-topic I know, but what's the name of the man in your signature? I know his surname is Hicks...I think...and he was a stand-up comedian right?

Ruth

15-10-2007, 05:18 PM

Hiya Shaun - yes, it's Bill Hicks, who is a comedic genius! And spoke so much truth in his shows. Sadly he died of pancreatic cancer in 1994, aged 32.

Shaun

15-10-2007, 05:23 PM

Thanks! :)

Ross

15-10-2007, 05:50 PM

lmao @ whoever put 12.

erm, 18.

17-10-2007, 12:28 AM

Eighteen, but only because every other major life choice you can make seems to be at 18 now.

For example, do you think it's stupid that you could have a wife and kids who are 2 years old before you can go in and see an 18 film? I certainly think so.

However, if it's simply a matter of maturity, then I think it just comes down to each individual person. It's a difficult thing to judge, but I think if you're emotionally and physically mature enough to, you should be able to. Obviously you can't really judge that by law, but that's just what I think.

J.C.

17-10-2007, 10:19 PM

I'm quite shocked. Is the chart in date ? , I mean surely a 50 year old man can't legally have sex with a 13 year old girl in Spain can they ?? And then across the border in Portugal it's 21.!!

Surely the European Parliament would have applied serious pressure on Spain to change this. There must be some restrictions or something otherwise it would attract all the wrong sorts, would it not ?? :yuk: :conf:

Captain.Remy

18-10-2007, 05:49 AM

Message original : J.C.
I'm quite shocked. Is the chart in date ? , I mean surely a 50 year old man can't legally have sex with a 13 year old girl in Spain can they ?? And then across the border in Portugal it's 21.!!

Surely the European Parliament would have applied serious pressure on Spain to change this. There must be some restrictions or something otherwise it would attract all the wrong sorts, would it not ?? :yuk: :conf:

The Sapnush culture is well different than ours and than yours. That's just a question of culture after all.

J.C.

18-10-2007, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : J.C.
I'm quite shocked. Is the chart in date ? , I mean surely a 50 year old man can't legally have sex with a 13 year old girl in Spain can they ?? And then across the border in Portugal it's 21.!!

Surely the European Parliament would have applied serious pressure on Spain to change this. There must be some restrictions or something otherwise it would attract all the wrong sorts, would it not ?? :yuk: :conf:

The Sapnush culture is well different than ours and than yours. That's just a question of culture after all.

Our cultures are not so different though. I have spent much time in Spain, Portugal and France and feel we all have a very European way of life.
It just really shocked me , and having looked into it a little more I found out that only last year the law was changed from 12yrs to 13 yrs!!

However it was also a relief to find that there are all sorts of caveats to this law.

From Wikipedia:

'However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint'.

Personally I still don't think this goes far enough as the parent has to make a complaint and is not always going to be in a position to do so, given that many youngsters would not discuss this type of event with their parents anyway.

So I remain somewhat shocked, although I am not completely against the idea of two under sixteens having a physical relationship where both have an above average level of maturity.

Sunny_01

18-10-2007, 10:24 AM

I think that when discussing sex in someone as young as 13 it is important to remember that not only are STD's an issues to consider but it is also known that it carries a higher risk of developing cervical cancer in later life if you become sexually active at too young an age.

I can not accept that a 13 year old has the ability to make a fully informed decision about consent to sex. no matter how mature a young person may seem.

J.C.

18-10-2007, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think that when discussing sex in someone as young as 13 it is important to remember that not only are STD's an issues to consider but it is also known that it carries a higher risk of developing cervical cancer in later life if you become sexually active at too young an age.

I can not accept that a 13 year old has the ability to make a fully informed decision about consent to sex. no matter how mature a young person may seem.

If it is a known fact that there is a higher risk of developing cervical cancer in later life for these youngsters then that just makes it all the more shocking and each government should be held accountable for their own laws on consent.

And just to clarify that when I stated that I was not completely against the under sixteens having physical relationships, I am not really referring to 12 and 13 year olds but more of the 15 year olds , some of who are more developed both physically and mentally than some 17 year olds.

I do agree that 13 is just way too young in all circumstances.

Sunny_01

18-10-2007, 11:27 AM

I understood what you were saying J.C I didnt think you suggested that 13 was an appropriate age for children for that is what they are to be having sex.

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 04:24 PM

i think it all depends on the individual,the person your having sex with and the situation tbh.I mean I lost mine when I was and I diddnt really know all that much about sex or std`s.Basically all i had been told was that you must use a condom or you will pregnant.
That is the extent of the sex education i recieved in school and I think we had like one sex ed lesson the whole time i was in secondary school.I just kinda picked everything up from my mates and experience,ya know-concering the pill and stds and what not.We had none of that explained by the school and my parents never discussed it with me either.

Retroman

07-11-2007, 04:27 PM

For the individual, everyone usually says it from THEIR point of view and announces that it depends on the person...

And that it should be whatever age you feel ready.

But for the good of the planet/nation [what the laws are there for.], this is a bad idea, as I honestly think younger people aren't in a well enough frame of mind/level of maturity to make such decisions properly by themselves.

Not to mention all the negative situations that come with younger people having sex, such as an even lower average age of teen pregnancies. Which is something we really don't need.

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 04:30 PM

i honestly think that the age of concent has nothing to do with the number of teen pregnancies though.I think there mainly due to daft,little teens who think it wont happen to them or who dont use protection becuase their under the influence of drugs or alcohol or becuase there bf pursuades them not to use a condom.

Retroman

07-11-2007, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by supernoodles!
i honestly think that the age of concent has nothing to do with the number of teen pregnancies though.I think there mainly due to daft,little teens who think it wont happen to them or who dont use protection becuase their under the influence of drugs or alcohol or becuase there bf pursuades them not to use a condom.

Exactly, and do we want those "daft" little teens knowing they're actually allowed to have sex? No...

As then there would be plenty more of them having sex.
They also wouldn't be considered daft either, because they'd be allowed to have sex how and when they want.

[if drugs were legal, more people would take them...if younger sex was legal, more people would do it, simple as that.]

So you yourself are proving you think younger people are getting pregnant due to them being daft, daft means they're too young to be having responsible sex, which means you agree that the age of consent shouldn't be when you "think" you're ready =]

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 04:41 PM

yeah but i dont think that just becuase we said to younger kids 'hey you can legal sex' that more of them would choose to do it.

Retroman

07-11-2007, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by supernoodles!
yeah but i dont think that just becuase we said to younger kids 'hey you can legal sex' that more of them would choose to do it.

Some responsible people, or sensible people decide to follow the law, or at least slightly stick to it...

So they honestly don't have sex before the legal age of sixteen because of that, or are influenced to have sex later on because of the law.

So if the law was a lower age, those people would feel at ease about having sex younger. It's allowed, so it must be right, and the law says you're mature enough to have sex.

Some people really do think carefully about when it's appropriate to lose their virginity...and mainly base it on waiting til they're legal. And think to themselves "im sixteen and legal now, perhaps I should start thinking about having sex? especially before im laughed at by all my mates for being an older virgin."

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 04:48 PM

well yeah i know they do i was one of them
But surely its more about being with the right person,taking precautions and feeling 100% comfortable with it.

Retroman

07-11-2007, 04:51 PM

Well that's what it should be about, I agree...
I wish everyone could take the time to do that, especially boys who just seem to rush around desperately finding somewhere to "insert" themselves.

Although now women have equal rights, a lot of girls have started behaving just as badly as boys nowadays, which is contributing to even more people just randomly having sex with the first person who comes along, especially when they're too young.

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 04:55 PM

yeah i agree with that.I mean i had a close group of about 7 female friends when i was about 14/15 and 2 of us got into pretty seriosu relationships one including myself.Then the other girls suddenly started going around saying 'I want to loose my virginity'.
I think thats so bizzare,reguardless of wether id been in the relationship or not i would never have actually admitted to or even thought at age 14 'I want to loose my virginity'.Its so stupid imo.

Retroman

07-11-2007, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by supernoodles!
yeah i agree with that.I mean i had a close group of about 7 female friends when i was about 14/15 and 2 of us got into pretty seriosu relationships one including myself.Then the other girls suddenly started going around saying 'I want to loose my virginity'.
I think thats so bizzare,reguardless of wether id been in the relationship or not i would never have actually admitted to or even thought at age 14 'I want to loose my virginity'.Its so stupid imo.

Lol! I was in the exact same situation...
I got in a three year serious relationship at 15, my friend Ben was dating my girlfriends best mate, so we went on double dates all the time. Anyhow, every single other mate of mine was going on about just wanting to have sex with anyone and everyone.

Then they proceeded to tell detailed stories of the "nearly having sex" experiences they'd had in the past. I won't go into detail, but they were pretty disgusting and obviously all lies! lol.

*Thinks back to all the Jeremy Kyle and other chat show episodes where 12/13yr olds come on and tell their mums they're having sex with random strangers whilst drunk and performing oral sex for boys in the street because it makes them feel loved*

What a messed up world we live in >_<

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 05:11 PM

lol thats what my friends were like,giving all the details.It was like ok,do i really need to know this.It was as if they thought they were great just becuase they`d lost their virginity to the first boy who looked twice at them.Looking back they were so immature

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 05:12 PM

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 05:12 PM

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 05:13 PM

supernoodles!

07-11-2007, 05:13 PM

Sunny_01

07-11-2007, 10:36 PM

I think it is fine as it is, but if you are my daughter it should be 37 :tongue:

bananarama

08-11-2007, 04:50 PM

To be on the safe side I think it should be raised to 65. The first time should be with the bloke behind the counter when you draw your first pension..........:bigsmile:

Having you pension payed into the bank means you will have to go without.......:laugh:

CassetteFinger

09-11-2007, 11:28 AM

16 like it is here.

cgimusic

11-11-2007, 12:37 AM

Look what I found :

17
You can go into a betting shop (but not bet)

Why would you want to go to a betting shop if you cant bet?

Retroman

11-11-2007, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by cgimusic
Look what I found :

17
You can go into a betting shop (but not bet)

Why would you want to go to a betting shop if you cant bet?

Perhaps to learn as much about betting as you can, so you can brush up on your skills before you're 18 lol. Maybe that's what they're trying to encourage =] rather than just randomly walking in with little knowledge.

cgimusic

11-11-2007, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Retroman
Originally posted by cgimusic
Look what I found :

17
You can go into a betting shop (but not bet)

Why would you want to go to a betting shop if you cant bet?

Perhaps to learn as much about betting as you can, so you can brush up on your skills before you're 18 lol. Maybe that's what they're trying to encourage =] rather than just randomly walking in with little knowledge.

:laugh: