are MOBO awards racist?

[I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle]

Just saw this debate on: the Wright Stuff on channel 5 this morning.

He was saying that why should there be an awards show giving out awards to black people only and that to many could seem racist. What if there was an awards show for only white people, I guess there would be an outrage?

It was a very interesting viewpoint.

[Dr43%er]

But they don't just give awards to black people. This year you had Amy Winehouse and Tim Westwood win awards. So what's the problem.

[Retroman]

Perhaps the odd white person does get called forth to win awards for MOBO and similar ceremonies...
But im sure we all know full well that it seems to be a black orientated award ceremony.

Some might argue that the genre/type of music just happens to be sang by mostly black people, and that it's no fault of their own that more black people just happen to like producing such music.

Then again, it is almost black people only. And if a white people only music award ceremony started, whether intentional or just down to white people only procuding such music, im sure more people would point it out and complain.

I highly doubt there's a huge lack of white people for the MOBO awards to be fair, as these days it seems many white people are into the same type of music, so im sure many produce it too.

In america a scholarship was setup for black people only.
So white people set up a scholarship in jest just to prove a point, that was for white people only...and SHOCK HORROR the black people complained it was racist =] when they were currently doing the exact same thing.

Just goes to show what control black people have over the world that they can demand things given to them, often just them, whilst also branding all white people who do the same as racists.

[Dr43%er]

There is a MOWO awards show. It's called the Classical Brits. Not many black people win that but they can enter. Does that make it racist?

[I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
But they don't just give awards to black people. This year you had Amy Winehouse and Tim Westwood win awards. So what's the problem.

Matthew wright forgot to mention Amy Winehouse and Tim Westwood:puzzled: perhaps it was because it is known as awards just for black people and Amy and Tim are the rare exceptions. Perhaps it would be better to have award shows that don't mention the words black or white, just award shows.

[Dr43%er]

I realy can't see the problem of it saying it is music of black origin if that is what it is.

[I/want/To/Marry/Chanelle]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I realy can't see the problem of it saying it is music of black origin if that is what it is.

Everyone feels differently. I would imagine that is why Matthew brought the subject up. He said that in fairness, there should be an awards show specifically for white people only. But he knew already how that would be seen. Not such a good idea?

It would be better to have an awards show which is not picking on one type only. That is what he said.

[Dr43%er]

"there should be an awards show specifically for white people only."
But it is not a show specifically for black people. *bangs head on wall repeatedly*

[Matt]

I don't have any problem with it.

There would be outrage if there was an awards ceremony that made it clear they only give out awards to white people though. :rolleyes:

[~Kizwiz~]

The MOBO's are Music of Black Origin...... therefore anyone can win..... :nono:

You can be any colour to win, because it all about where the music originated from not what colour you are

No we should NOT have a 'white' only awards...... thats as bad as sending the invits to the BNP :rolleyes:

[Shaun]

MOBOs mainly focus on R&B, soul, reggae and hip-hop, and other such styles of music - the "black origin" is not referring to the skin colour of the artists, it's referring to the skin colour of those who created these genres.

[~Kizwiz~]

Exactly...... I find it offensive that anyone can either contemplate having such "white" awards

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Exactly...... I find it offensive that anyone can either contemplate having such "white" awards

What about awards for music of white origin?
I don't agree with this, I'm just playing devils advocate here for a moment and suggesting that if there was an awards ceremony for music of white origin - would there be uproar?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by kizwiz
Exactly...... I find it offensive that anyone can either contemplate having such "white" awards

What about awards for music of white origin?
I don't agree with this, I'm just playing devils advocate here for a moment and suggesting that if there was an awards ceremony for music of white origin - would there be uproar?

I think if it was instated now, there would be. To be honest there isn't really a need for it - but I wouldn't object to it.

Unfortunately, tolerance seems to work only one way today, as we've seen in various debates over who can use the 'n' word.

Also - is there a musical genre that is specifically of "white origin"? I'm not sure if there is...

[:)tom:)]

i dont mind the mobos one bit. its black music but awards could be given out to anyone. the reason mostly black people get it is because its black origin so i see no problem with it. i agree with it 100%.

btw i agree that if thre was a mowo there would be an outrage

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Shaun
Also - is there a musical genre that is specifically of "white origin"? I'm not sure if there is...

I'd say Classical, even though you get black classical artists, the majority are white.
But I don't think there is a genre specifically of white origin otherwise.

[001steven]

Yes it is Racist imo if there was an awards for JUST white people there would be chaos IMO it IS out of order that people of black origin get there own awards what next there own TOWNS!!! There SHOULD be awards for white people origin IMO how would they feel then...the same way some people feel about the MOBOs they only have a few white people there so people cant say its racist...AND NO IM NOT RACIST i just find unfair that blacks now have there own awards

[Dr43%er]

"Yes it is Racist imo if there was an awards for JUST white people there would be chaos"

How many times does it need to be said that it is not just for back people?

[Dr43%er]

I see the op has been banned..... again.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by 001steven
Yes it is Racist imo if there was an awards for JUST white people there would be chaos IMO it IS out of order that people of black origin get there own awards what next there own TOWNS!!! There SHOULD be awards for white people origin IMO how would they feel then...the same way some people feel about the MOBOs they only have a few white people there so people cant say its racist...AND NO Im NOT RACIST i just find unfair that blacks now have there own awards

Please read before you post.

It is music of black ORIGIN. Meaning - that these music genres celebrated by the MOBOs (Reggae, R&B, Soul, Blues, Hip Hop, etc...) are of black origin.

Amy Winehouse and Tim Westwood won awards at the latest awards. And they're both white.

[001steven]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"Yes it is Racist imo if there was an awards for JUST white people there would be chaos"

How many times does it need to be said that it is not just for back people?

Music of Black origin it says it in the name!

So basicly they are saying Amy Winehouse songs are for black people

IMO it is a DISGRACE to britain!! And White people get the blame for ALOT of things these days even when a black person is murdered by a white person they assume 'that is racist' YET when a Black person KILLS a wjite person its just classed as murder TOTALLY utter disgrace!

[cc100]

Yes, they are all racist.

[Dr43%er]

Steven. Music of Black origin. The clue in in the word "origin" meaning where the music came from. Not who it is done by. Who were the first people to do the blues, jazz, hip hop reggae and so on? It was back people. Thus music of "BLACK" origin.

"when a black person is murdered by a white person they assume 'that is racist' YET when a Black person KILLS a wjite person its just classed as murder"

I had this one thrown at me by I think it was Nodis to try an justifie his far right views. I think it was his as he has had so many different accounts. The up shot was that I posted the Home Office stats showing that according to the police/CPS around 50% of murder victims where police believed race to be the cause where white. That makes the above statement redundant as it is not based on fact.

Just remembered it was not nodis, but it was the sort of uninformed "fact" he would use.

[Dr43%er]

Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white


Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer

Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.

The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white.

The disclosure will add to the intense debate over multiculturalism in British society. The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Shaun

Also - is there a musical genre that is specifically of "white origin"? I'm not sure if there is...

Any music created from white western culture I suppose?
Rock music for example.

[Dr43%er]

Classical, folk, metal, goth, EBM.

[001steven]

Look i bet you that if there was an awards show JUST for white people there WOULD be uproar and England has gone to the dogs in the past few years nearly every english or white british person has left the UK for spain and austrailier.... and at the end of the day there SHOULD NOT be an award for black people there should b e one for everyone

[~Kizwiz~]

Its not JUST for black people...... its about the origin of where the music came from....White people have won awards.

Its not like the MOBO's is soley for black winner.

[Dr43%er]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgh.

It is an awards for everyone, as the Brits, kerang, NME and so on.

I see you have ignored the Home office stats on racially motivated murders and then put up another unsubstantiated "fact" to prove your point.

"nearly every english or white british person has left the UK for spain and austrailier"

Stats please?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by 001steven
Look i bet you that if there was an awards show JUST for white people there WOULD be uproar and England has gone to the dogs in the past few years nearly every english or white british person has left the UK for spain and austrailier.... and at the end of the day there SHOULD NOT be an award for black people there should b e one for everyone

Oh my god, sorry, but you're arguing your point badly.
So very badly.

Please take into account what Kiz and Dr are saying... it's not an awards just for black people - each time you post that it is, it makes the rest of your argument void.

It's for music from black origin - this could involve using patois in the lyrics, it could involve grime dancing... ANYTHING... all of these things could come from white people, but the origins of this (patois, grime dancing etc) is black - from the slave trade era.

White people can win the award, it just so happens that not many white people are in this genre. Thats not racist. The award is for everyone.

Also... ermm... stats on everyone moving to Spain and Australia? Or is this another cliched media-fuelled opinion?

[001steven]

Well come down to north london then and you wont see alot of white people I GARENNTE THAT

AND so what if youn think there not racist I DO!! and thats my opnion and will stick with it.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by 001steven
Well come down to north london then and you wont see alot of white people I GARENNTE THAT

AND so what if youn think there not racist I DO!! and thats my opnion and will stick with it.

What on earth has coming to North London got to do with the Mobo's?????

The awards are not soley for black people... so whats the problem?

[Dr43%er]

"AND so what if youn think there not racist I DO!!"

Why? Simple question.

[001steven]

look im not going to argue with you your not worth it :nono::bored:

[Benji]

well i think the word "MOBO" is racist. Full stop. It is racist whether they give out awards or not to white people.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by 001steven
look Im not going to argue with you your not worth it :nono::bored:

who isnt worth it?


Originally posted by Benji
well i think the word "MOBO" is racist. Full stop. It is racist whether they give out awards or not to white people.

Music of Black origin is racist???? How? Is BBC Asian Network racist too???????? And BBC 1Xtra?

[001steven]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by 001steven
look Im not going to argue with you your not worth it :nono::bored:

who isnt worth it?


Originally posted by Benji
well i think the word "MOBO" is racist. Full stop. It is racist whether they give out awards or not to white people.

Music of Black origin is racist???? How? Is BBC Asian Network racist too???????? And BBC 1Xtra?

Oh why do you have to bring that in for??? Bengi is right in what he says.

The should be awards for music of white origin wheres that?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by 001steven

Oh why do you have to bring that in for??? Bengi is right in what he says.

The should be awards for music of white origin wheres that?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bring what into it? I am confused

The MOBO's celebrates a type of music, a genre, just like a genre of rock or pop or classical. Its where the music came from.

Because it has the word black you consider it racist???

So what would you consider to be the music of 'white' origin... please do explain in more detail????

[~Kizwiz~]

To quote Wikipedia......

Wikipedia - MOBO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOBO)

The MOBO (an acronym for Music Of Black Origin) Awards, established in 1996 by Kanya King, are held annually in the UK to recognise artists of any race or nationality performing music of black origin.

[Dr43%er]

"look Im not going to argue with you your not worth it" You mean you have no argument. I am still waiting for the stats to prove your two statements you used to bolster your point.

Benji. The word "MOBO" is racist? ****ing laughable.

Right, if someone was to start a "MOWO" would you find it racist? Not would other people, you.

[~Kizwiz~]

I dont see the point in starting a MOWO..... what sort of music woud you class as MOWO....??? There is toomany genre's in place in it.

MOBO is clearly what it states

[GiRTh]

I’m back and I’m going to behave, but as a man of aftro-caribean ancestry
I have to say this has got to be the most ridiculous discussion I’ve ever heard.

The MOBO were started due to a number of black musicians being disillusioned by the fact that few black artists were winning BRIT awards. The MOBO’s are yet another attempt by black people to redress the balance. So to all those people who want to start a MOWO awards, I’d say there already is one isn’t there? It just doesn’t have the word ‘white’ in the title. In fact the BRITs started the ‘Best Urban’ category in an attempt to address the accusations that were being aimed at them.

Originally posted by Retroman
In america a scholarship was setup for black people only.
So white people set up a scholarship in jest just to prove a point, that was for white people only...and SHOCK HORROR the black people complained it was racist =] when they were currently doing the exact same thing. Are you aware of apartheid and the segregation that existed in the past. There were White only sections in restaurant and on buses. Sorry, but I fail to see anything funny about setting up a white only scholarship given the struggle that the freedom fighters had in trying to get rid of white only segregation. Personally, I don’t agree with white only or black only in any way shape or form.

Originally posted by Retroman
Just goes to show what control black people have over the world that they can demand things given to them, often just them, whilst also branding all white people who do the same as racists. What a ridiculous statement and as a black man I know exactly how ridiculous it is. Where exactly do black people have control over the world because I’m sure a lot of black people would like to move there. As I said above, in the past there was segregation and white only sections. I think you’d agree that is racist. Anything that you label as black only is merely an attempt to redress the balance.

[Sunny_01]

Firstly G-Man welcome the hell back!!!

Secondly I agree with what you say. There should be no balck or white only anything, it creates division and stops us those of us that are normal people accepting of each other regardless of colour just getting the hell on with our lives and enjoying each other for what we all are, PEOPLE.

[Redmond]

I haven't read through all of this thread but to answer the question simply, NO is the answer.

It's music of BLACK ORIGIN, it's not specifically black people only, as Amy Winehouse and others that are not black but make music of that genre won awards. There's no debating of "oh if it was white awards" etc, it just can't be compared in any argument about race, because white people as a race have never and never will suffer racism to the magnitude of what black or Asian people have and still suffer from today, although obviously not on such a grand scale. I'm not saying white people can't be the victims of racism, but as a race the white people (of which I'm one) have never suffered, have never been seen as the lesser human beings and have never been in a position where they don't have power.