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officialleafan
25-10-2007, 04:54 PM
I knew that there was something about Halloween, read this!


Halloween, or 'All Hallows' is easily the most controversial holiday celebrated in America. Spurred by rumors and religious hysteria, works of poor scholarship contend that Halloween is the day of the Devil, a satanic celebration of dark forces disguised as a children's holiday. Parents are duly informed by sour faced guardians of morality that celebrating Halloween puts their children in immediate danger from the Dark One himself, who seduces them by pretending it's all about candy and dressing like ghosts...and the misinfomation and urban legends are continually passed around year after year, as each newly horrified parent dashes off letters to the editor to inform the world of their frightening new discoveries. Problem is, almost none of the stories passed around are true.

Not that the religious right bears all of the blame for sloppy research- many modern neopagans have elevated Halloween to major festival status, based on similar associations of Halloween with the Celtic autumn festival of Samhain.

The trouble is, there really isn't any evidence that All Hallows was based on any specific Pagan festival, and most of the more recognizable features of Halloween are of modern origin!

The Ancient Celts & Druids

Relatively little is known about the ancient Celts, as they maintained no written histories. We can be reasonably certain that the fire festival known as Samhain was celebrated in the autumn (Samhain, pronounced Sou-when, means literally, "summer's end."), probably closer to the middle of October than to the end. It should also be noted that the Celts kept to a lunar calendar and celebrated Samhain as a New Year festival. In most of Europe, feasts for the dead were held, usually in the autumn, but these most likely involved offerings of food and other propitiations to ancestral spirits, a near universal practice still ongoing in many rural areas of Europe.

There is also contention regarding the supposed penchant of Druid priests for human sacrifice. Roman reports of Human sacrifice by the Druids and other spurious accusations have not been supported by archaeological evidence. The sort of wholesale offerings of innocent victims, the slaughter of red-haired children, and the like are simply not supported by any reliable historical accounts. The claims of human sacrifice by Druids are the product of one man's imagination- Julius Caesar, who wrote of people he had not met, and events he had not witnessed- these should be unhderstood as the war propaganda that they are. The Romans were always fond of making exaggerations about the savage practices of their enemies- at one time, they accused Christians of sacrificing and eating infants in evil rituals- ironically, an accusation frequently made against Christianity's enemies today.

There is some evidence that Druids practiced ritual execution of criminals or prisoners of war, a common enough practice in ancient times. (One might recall what Christians did to accused witches once upon a time) Stories of bloodthirsty human slaughter in the name of dark Druid Gods are the product of overactive imaginations. The Druids were well known and highly regarded by those who knew them as wise, contemplative folk, with a system of laws and a moral code that was really quite advanced for its time. The Celts were one of the few Pagan peoples to accept Christianity without a fight, and as a result, many of Ireland's first Churches were founded by converted Druids.

Lord Samhain, Satan, and Muck-Olla

The Christian devil, who appears frequently in modern Halloween iconography, has no connection at all to any Celtic deities. Most of the more egregious Halloween bashing essays center on the supposed connection with "Lord" Samhain, the supposed Celtic God of the Dead, who is identified with Satan. According to a typical tract,

"Depending on your source material, the Druid lord of death and evil spirits was called Saman, Samana, Shamhain or Samhain. His "holiday" was called "The Vigil Of Saman" or Samhain (pronounced so-wein). You probably have seen a modern day version of SAMAN without even knowing it. This pagan god was shown as a ghostly, skeleton holding a sickle in his hand. He later came to be known as THE GRIM REAPER. "

There is nothing at all accurate in this statement. In fact, the Celts found Christianity quite compatible with their beliefs- they converted easily, with many Druids becoming monks or priests in the Catholic Church, and many of these churches retain vestiges of earlier Celtic belief systems. The Celts had no skeletal gods. The Grim Reaper is the medieval personification of death (memento Mori) seen so frequently in art if the period- a purely Christian invention (based on images of the Roman god Saturn), meant as a sober admonition not to waste one's life on vanities or material things, because life was short, and death and hell were certainities for the unrepentant. The reaper was a solemn reminder that everyone, rich or poor, powerful or subservient, would come to the same end, and must atone for wrongdoing before it was too late. This grinning character with his scythe reached a peak of popularity in the time of the plague.

Another frequently cited bogeyman of Halloween is the sinister Muck-olla, another supposed Celtic deity of mayhem. According to another tract,

"Costumed followers of the Druid god Muck Olla went from house to house asking for contributions. [many tract writers make an even bigger leap here, claiming that the yearly 'contribution' was a virgin sacrifice] If one donated one was promised continued the blessings Muck Olla. If one failed to give one would suffer bad crops and big trouble."

Of course, this is so much blatant fantasy. There was a very minor Celtic god of herders called Samhain or Saman, but the Celtic God of the dead was called Gwynn ap Nudd. A creature named Muck-olla did exist, but was a havoc wreaking mythological bull out of much later Welsh legend. The practice of going door to door begging treats was a much later Halloween tradition, and has no connection at all to Pagan practices.

Trick or Treating

Trick or treating, the practice of dressing up in costumes and begging door to door for goodies, is largely an American adaptation of European masquerades and the late medieval Christian practice of "souling," when poor folk would go door to door, receiving food in return for promises of prayers for the dead.* This was just one of many occasions for going door to door in a time when entertainments were in short supply. Dressing in scary costumes is another holdover from medieval times, when religious processions demonstrated to a largely illiterate population what fate awaited sinners.

There is no evidence whatsover that Druids had any similar practice, and the notion that "the Irish Druids on the eve of Samhain burned their victims in the holy fire" is entirely fantastical. A Druid Samhain was probably most similar to Mexico's "Day of the Dead," and celebrated the descent of the god of light (Lugh) into the underworld. Another popular deity is reputed to have done the very same thing on a weekend in Jerusalem...

In early, Puritan America, Halloween was little more than gatherings of superstitious villagers. The general reluctance of folks to go outdoors gave many opportunities to vandals and pranksters, and another Halloween tradition was born. By the nineteenth century, Halloween was adopted more or less as an excuse for a party. By the end of the Great Depression, 'trick or treating' had evolved into a nightmare for shopkeepers, with vandals wreaking havoc on property, and many towns imposed curfews, which often just made things worse. Things eventually settled down as the economy improved, however, and Halloween became a popular time for adult fancy dress parties. During the war years, these parties were considered extravagant, and Halloween became the holiday we know today, a children's holiday with kids begging for treats door to door inj imitation of old fashioned tricks and treats. The 'trick' in trick or treat is a reference to the old vandals' cry.

*It was widely believed that such prayers lessened the term of punishment for souls in Purgatory, so trading a bit of cake to get Grandma to Heaven was a bit of a no-brainer

Jack O' Lanterns

The ubiquitous Jack-o-lantern is often given a horrific origin by the hysterically minded. One fundamentalist author says about Jack o' Lanterns:

"The candlelit pumpkin or skull... served as a beacon for the sabbat and as a signal to mark those farms and homes that were sympathetic to the Satanists and thus deserving of mercy when the terror of the night (Halloween) began."

Of course, this is so much nonsense. The pumpkin itself is a uniquely American plant unknown in Europe until the discovery of the New world, by which time the Druids had already faded into history. The pumpkin, like the potato, was an American import, arriving in the British isles long after the Druids had vanished from Europe. An old practice of hollowing out vegetables to make temporary lanterns may have been brought to the new world, but turnips, skulls, or pumpkins were never used as Satanic signaling devices.

The most likely origin of the practice was an imitation of the old moralistic folk story of Jack, the conniving drunk who tricks the devil into rejecting his soul and is forced to wander endlessly, not welcome in heaven or hell. The "jack o lantern" is the hollowed turnip he carries as a lamp, with a lump of hell's coal lighting his path as he wanders eternally.

Modern Neopagan Traditions and Satanism

One point often made in favor of eliminating Halloween celebrations from Christian homes is its adoption as a major holiday by modern Wiccans and other Neopagans, who are accused of continuing the supposed 'dark traditions' of the Druids. Satanists, too, are implicated in misdeeds on Halloween ranging in seriousness from pranks to poisoning candy to human sacrifice.

In reality, although Neopagan celebrations are ostensibly based on Celtic Samhain celebrations, these are usually celebrated separately from Halloween and are generally of the nature of a harvest festival. Typical Samhain celebrations include New Year's rituals, bonfires, celebratory suppers and other activities one would associate with Harvest festivals. Ironically, the "harvest parties" sponsored as Halloween alternatives by many churches and schools resemble modern Pagan celebrations more than more traditional Halloween activities do! Apple bobbing, yes. Black masses, no.

Religious Satanists, on the other hand, do not ascribe any special significance to Halloween; they certainly do not practice human or any other sort of sacrifice on that night. Most of the suspicious 'signs' found on occasion in communities are usually the product of the same teenage pranksters who have plagued the holiday from the beginning.

Fears about Satanic covens secretly poisoning candy are purely a product of overactive imaginations- Halloween poisonings are extremely rare, and almost without exception, such cases turn out to be the opportunistic family members of victims attempting to take advantage of an urban legend. There is also little basis to the persistent rumor that black cats are sacrificed on halloween, although many animal shelters will still refuse to adopt out black cats near the holiday for fear they will be used as holiday props and later abandoned or mistreated.

It should be emphasized, however, that animal sacrifice is not an accepted practice of any organized Satanic religious body Of course, there are always occasions where disturbed individuals may fancy themselves a servant of satan, and incidents do occasionally occur. Ironically, it is not from Satanists or even Pagans that such individuals get their ideas, but from the religious scare mongers who perpetuate such silliness as 'typical Satanic practice.' Not having any reliable information, would be Satanists imitate the tales and rumors.

As for the poisoning of candy, there have been fewer than three cases of strangers poisoning halloween candy in all of US history- and no cases of Satanists or Satanic imitators doing so. It shouldn't need aying that no documented human sacrifice has ever been carried out by halloween revelers, Satanic or otherwise.

xDramatick
25-10-2007, 05:00 PM
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I'm born on halloween =/

Jackie
25-10-2007, 05:03 PM
Thats really good reading,quite scary but many children nowadays don't really know the story behind halloween they just like all the dressing up.

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by xDramatic
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I'm born on halloween =/

I doubt that there is anything Satanic about you! :thumbs:

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by jackie46
Thats really good reading,quite scary but many children nowadays don't really know the story behind halloween they just like all the dressing up.

I know! But some innocent lives are sacrificed on that day! :sad:

Jackie
25-10-2007, 05:07 PM
I know thats not very nice,and should't have happened.

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by jackie46
I know thats not very nice,and should't have happened.

When you think, it is weird, celebrating kids dressing up as ghouls isn't it?

I'm not saying kids shouldn't trick or treat because i've been there when i was younger and used to love it! But its an intresting point!

Dizzy
25-10-2007, 05:11 PM
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs at me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

Jackie
25-10-2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah it is intersting story how on earth did someone come up with this idea about dressing up and celebrating halloween?When really it wasn't some thing to celebrate.

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

Dizzy
25-10-2007, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

Dizzy
25-10-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

I know. Why couldn't we draw an angel or summet? x[ We're doing all about Good and Evil... It confuses me, haha.

Yeah, we were reading some article thing saying that Satan used to be an angel then he left to the ''dark side'', heh and tried to destroy god. Um. Who writes that stuff though? I mean has anyone ever seen Satan - I don't think they have =/ Tis weird.

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

I know. Why couldn't we draw an angel or summet? x[ We're doing all about Good and Evil... It confuses me, haha.

Yeah, we were reading some article thing saying that Satan used to be an angel then he left to the ''dark side'', heh and tried to destroy god. Um. Who writes that stuff though? I mean has anyone ever seen Satan - I don't think they have =/ Tis weird.


I do believe that there is a Satan and a God! It depends on what you believe in really. I don't believe in R.E. or anything they teach, i have my own beliefs and i they work for me, so i don't let anyone else tell me otherwise! I've never seen Satan, but i have seen (in the past) things that are quite satanic and its very scary!

Dizzy
25-10-2007, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

I know. Why couldn't we draw an angel or summet? x[ We're doing all about Good and Evil... It confuses me, haha.

Yeah, we were reading some article thing saying that Satan used to be an angel then he left to the ''dark side'', heh and tried to destroy god. Um. Who writes that stuff though? I mean has anyone ever seen Satan - I don't think they have =/ Tis weird.


I do believe that there is a Satan and a God! It depends on what you believe in really. I don't believe in R.E. or anything they teach, i have my own beliefs and i they work for me, so i don't let anyone else tell me otherwise! I've never seen Satan, but i have seen (in the past) things that are quite satanic and its very scary!

I don't really believe in Satan or God really. I do believe in things such as spirits and ghosts etc though. I don't really believe in RE either, it's like they try and make you believe in something they know nothing about. I've never seen anything satanic but I do believe that some things are quite satanic. Our RE teachers are dumb though, it's like they force you to believe in things when you don't want to believe in it. And then they make you do tests on each subject and if you don't believe in it or don't understand it you get totally lost, I've never really understood RE, but that's just me x]

officialleafan
25-10-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

I know. Why couldn't we draw an angel or summet? x[ We're doing all about Good and Evil... It confuses me, haha.

Yeah, we were reading some article thing saying that Satan used to be an angel then he left to the ''dark side'', heh and tried to destroy god. Um. Who writes that stuff though? I mean has anyone ever seen Satan - I don't think they have =/ Tis weird.


I do believe that there is a Satan and a God! It depends on what you believe in really. I don't believe in R.E. or anything they teach, i have my own beliefs and i they work for me, so i don't let anyone else tell me otherwise! I've never seen Satan, but i have seen (in the past) things that are quite satanic and its very scary!

I don't really believe in Satan or God really. I do believe in things such as spirits and ghosts etc though. I don't really believe in RE either, it's like they try and make you believe in something they know nothing about. I've never seen anything satanic but I do believe that some things are quite satanic. Our RE teachers are dumb though, it's like they force you to believe in things when you don't want to believe in it. And then they make you do tests on each subject and if you don't believe in it or don't understand it you get totally lost, I've never really understood RE, but that's just me x]

You say 'you don't believe in satan?' but you believe in something 'satanic?' what doe 'Satanic sound like, or what does the word look like??? Satan??

Sunny_01
26-10-2007, 09:49 AM
I think our modern way of letting children dress up and go door to door has evolved from children going to ask for a gift (as a sacrifice) to warn off evil spirits on this night.

Now it is seen as a kind of fun festival and you know what? we have little enough to celebrate in this country and I think if kids love to get dressed up, go out with appropriate supervision and have a wail of a time I see no problem with it. Why cant our kids have a little fun with an edge of something scarey to it. I used to have halloween parties for my kids every year and they enjoyed every minute of it (not as much as I did).

Sticks
29-10-2007, 07:03 AM
I object most strongly to trick or treat, especially where I live. What better way to see if anyone is out, and thus burgle their flat by going under the cover of "Trick or Treat".

I have to be out that night, so I might just take my lap top with me to the bible class just to make sure it is safe.

bananarama
30-10-2007, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Sticks
I object most strongly to trick or treat, especially where I live. What better way to see if anyone is out, and thus burgle their flat by going under the cover of "Trick or Treat".

I have to be out that night, so I might just take my lap top with me to the bible class just to make sure it is safe.


Now. Now. You should have faith in your god to protect your lap top. Should you not!!!:laugh:

A bit of kids fun. But unfortunately these days kids idea of fun is not what it used to be.

I would feel safer opening my door to a burglar rather than some of todays kids......:bigsmile:

Sticks
30-10-2007, 01:30 PM
You forget the Arab saying

A wise man trusts in Allah, but ties up his cammel first

Sticks
31-10-2007, 07:00 AM
I have a problem with trick or treat

1) It is technically demanding with menaces

2) The elderly are frightened by hoards of kids descending on them after dark

3) How do I know that the little band of Trick or Treaters are not trying to find out who is in and who is out, with a view to kicking in the door and grabbing what they can. As I said, I have to go out tonight, it looks like I will have to drag the laptop with me, just to keep it safe should this fear be realised.

Captain.Remy
31-10-2007, 07:01 AM
Scary..........:laugh2:

Conor
31-10-2007, 11:34 AM
I can't wait to go to the Halloween party tonight! I love halloween!!!!

:)tom:)
03-11-2007, 03:05 PM
halloween is fun. thats that

Christina
25-02-2008, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Darenn
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I'm born on halloween =/ Loool x

Christina
25-02-2008, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
Originally posted by officialleafan
Originally posted by Dizzy
I used to go trick or treating, but I don't anymore.
It scares me.
I always think someone is watching or following me.
Last time I went, a group of teenagers tried throwing eggs and me XD haha, that was fun. And then a huge dog almost escaped from it's garden it was growling and barking at me. I was with some mates I think, can't remember. That was an interesting but scary read, our current subject is all about the Devil and evil things in RE =X

I hate that! When teachers think they can teach you about the Devil when really, they know nothing about him! I bet most of the teachers out there know nothing about that above ^

I know!
I just think ''What have you seen the Devil?''
I was very tempted to ask my RE teacher but she'd probably go berzerk. xD
It's annoying. They made us draw him and find out facts about him. It's not like I know what he looks like, but I had a good idea, I've seen Little Nicky, tis a good film. I just drew some piggish looking guy with horns. Nobody knows what he looks like. =/ I hate doing about the Devil, meh.


Why can't she ask about something nice to draw? All teachers are the same.

The Devil isn't ugly anyway, in the Bible it says that Satan was one of God's most beautiful angles! But he can be seen evil according to the Bible!

I know. Why couldn't we draw an angel or summet? x[ We're doing all about Good and Evil... It confuses me, haha.

Yeah, we were reading some article thing saying that Satan used to be an angel then he left to the ''dark side'', heh and tried to destroy god. Um. Who writes that stuff though? I mean has anyone ever seen Satan - I don't think they have =/ Tis weird.


I do believe that there is a Satan and a God! It depends on what you believe in really. I don't believe in R.E. or anything they teach, i have my own beliefs and i they work for me, so i don't let anyone else tell me otherwise! I've never seen Satan, but i have seen (in the past) things that are quite satanic and its very scary!

I don't really believe in Satan or God really. I do believe in things such as spirits and ghosts etc though. I don't really believe in RE either, it's like they try and make you believe in something they know nothing about. I've never seen anything satanic but I do believe that some things are quite satanic. Our RE teachers are dumb though, it's like they force you to believe in things when you don't want to believe in it. And then they make you do tests on each subject and if you don't believe in it or don't understand it you get totally lost, I've never really understood RE, but that's just me x]
You said above that RE teachers are dumb and they are trying to get you to beleive in things you dont want to. It all depends what school youre actually in, if youre in a church of england school then isnt it pretty obvious that there going to be teaching you about Christianity at a certain point? Its a choice you have to be prepared for if going to a church school. If you dont beleive it and another half of youre class do then the teacher is going to have to teach the subject as the majority of the class is Christian.??? x

Christina
25-02-2008, 11:58 AM
This is quite scary =S x