Dont do that! Thats bad for you! The Worlds gonna end!

[Scarlett.]

I am so so so so so sick of being told what to do by the government, they think we dont have a brain of ourselves, being told things again and again and again! :mad:

(Poll Question) are you sick of being old what exactly to do by the Government.

[Jackie]

Yes it is getting worst,theirs more can't than cans.:nono:

[Shaun]

It's the whole of idea of Parliament...they make laws. :rolleyes:

[Scarlett.]

I know, Im so so sick of hearing about "Global Warming" its scaremongering

[Jackie]

Im middle aged so im not worried about much.But global warming is an issue.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Shaun
It's the whole of idea of Parliament...they make laws. :rolleyes: Not laws, all this "dont eat this", "dont do that, it will make the world explode!!!one1!!!!eleven!!!!!!111!!

[Jackie]

One week they say this is good for you the next week its bad for you.:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

Aye, exactly :thumbs:

[Jackie]

Being told where gonna have to pay for our rubbish bags the amount we put out everyweek is ridoulous!!We already pay council tax.

[Scarlett.]

I know, its getting so silly now, the Government need a slap to wake them up

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Chewy
I know, its getting so silly now, the Government need a slap to wake them up


Are you gonna volenteer?:pat:

[Scarlett.]

Nah, if someone did they'd probably be shot on sight :bouncy:

[Retroman]

Suggesting ways to help prevent global warming are in a bid to save the planet...
Would you expect the government to say anything different? The government is there for the sake of the people, so of course they're going to try and keep them all alive a little bit longer >_< hardly what id call annoying.

I don't care about Global warming either, but it's nice to know some people do, and that they're at least trying to help.

I also can't remember one time the government has ever "told me what to do".

Are you all reading some kind of "Government instruction magazine" ? or am I missing something here?

Nobody is telling me what to eat either, or anybody else if we look at the obesity levels =] Ok, perhaps some people make recommendations on how to live healthily/productively etc, but that's a good thing surely? Even if you don't choose to agree with it.

Id like to see some genuine examples of the government telling us what to do? Something so awful that it would make me angry? [because as far as im aware I do pretty much what I want at the moment? besides breaking laws.]

And not just the government suggesting how to live a productive, healthy, self benefitting life. Not to mention the fact they're hardly in people's faces, unless you insist on reading any government based articles in the newspaper.

[Scarlett.]

Try watching the news

Today they where saying
"The World is at breaking point, stop what your doing or it will end"

[Retroman]

The news told me to stop what IM doing?
Or did they just tell the public to stop doing certain harmful things in a bid to save the planet? Not that they ever TELL anyone what to do, they're just informing people of what will happen if they carry on.

If everyone's so selfish that they decide not to help, but ignore the recommendations and let the state of the planet decline, then that's our fault not their's. Plus we have a right to choose whatever we want to do.

So how can you possibly say we're being TOLD what to do, when we have freedom of choice to not do what they say? There's no logic there at all.

And again, they are RECOMMENDING that we try to save the planet, which im hardly going to hold against them. There's much worse going on in the world than people suggesting how to save it =/

[001steven]

Yesc am sick of it...have you heard the latest????

Dont Eat bacon as it causes cancer WTF i have eaten Bacon all my life and so has alot people i knowand i havent caugh it why say all this??? to scare people so if bacon doesnt sell less animals will be killed ???

Labour is the WORST Goverment imo Big Brother is coming BIG time

[Shaun]

:rolleyes:

It's not the Government telling you to do that, it's some shoddy scientists... Labour has nothing to do with anything that's been suggested yet.

[Retroman]

People have researched that Bacon can contribute towards Cancer and thought it'd only be fair to tell people about it...

As some health concious people would seriously like to know.

You know, since cancer causes death and all =] id say it's a pretty nice thing of them to at least bring it to our attention.

Nobody is telling you to stop eating it, otherwise the government would simply take it off the shelves and force us not to eat it. They're just saying that perhaps over eating bacon, or even just eating moderate amounts, cound increase your chances of cancer.

Whether you choose to take notice of that or not is your CHOICE. Emphasis on choice, as we're all still eating/drinking/doing what we want here, hence nobody is telling us what to do.

Some people out there who get cancer, are informed that parts of their diet helped contribute to them having cancer...and they most likely would have liked a warning about this sooner, instead of having to face a possible certain death.

So telling us about it helps keep us informed, so that if you do ignore what they recommend, and you do become ill because of it, you've only yourself to blame for ignoring the information. And you can't blame them.

[Scarlett.]

Everything gives you cancer

[001steven]

everybody has Cancer in them you know...... something Triggers it off i.e smoking ect:sad:

[Ann]

Well My Aunt Never Smoked In Her Life and She Came Down With Cancer and Died With it around about 20 years ago So it's not all about smoking stress can cause it too i've heard :conf2:

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Shaun
:rolleyes:

It's not the Government telling you to do that, it's some shoddy scientists... Labour has nothing to do with anything that's been suggested yet.

politicians only listen to scientists when they want to. If a scientist suggests something that allows control freakism then the govermnents of the day cannot resist...

Sorry but this government is guillty of control freakism for the sake of it. I say that as a labour voter for many years....I make no excuses for their almost now communist mentality....

[Lauren]

I agree with banarama, scientists are often used by current Governments to pass off their own ideologies as facts, this includes social science.

Thatcher refused to back social sciences such as Sociology, but Tony Blair fully embraced Sociology in that he formed New Labour on 'Giddens - The Third Way' thesis which explained about social exclusion. I think we're all fully aware that Blair only instigated this partnership in order to justify his nanny-stateism.

[:)tom:)]

yes we should have our freedom. even if we dont break the law there is allways something we are doing wrong. i know there here to help but they dont need to tell me how to live my life.

[XxShortyxX]

I am sick of hearing about Global bl**dy Warming and about fat people and what you should and shouldn't be eating. I am just sick of the Goverment all together actually, they are so annoying. They ban everthing, moan abot everything, grrrr lol.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
I know, Im so so sick of hearing about "Global Warming" its scaremongering

In respsonse to that, shouldnt people care more about are world, then we wouldnt have this issues.

And I think the advise given is generally to help society.

[Scarlett.]

but there is no need for them to tell us about it in every news report

[Legend]

I don't care about them telling us what to do because it's so easy to simply ignore them which I and the majority of other people do. However, when they are trying to dictate what we eat, what we do etc that annoys me ... I've heard they are trying to make the slices of bread thinner because we are eating too much of it and there is something in it that's not good for you .... :conf: ... trying to dictate in ways like this annoys me. If this was the case then I'd just double up on the slices :laugh: ... they are really solving nothing. Though I don't even know how true this is.

There was something else also about toothpaste but I've completely forgot that story.

At the end of the day, if we want to eat, drink and kill ourselves in the process then let us do it. Fair enough, make us aware of what is potentially harmful but then let us decide if we want to do something about it or not ... just don't dictate.

[Tom]

We are supposed to have free will so yes. My biggest rant about the Government telling us what to do is regarding Global Warming. I disagree with all of the global warming stuff as well. I'm not entirely sure its even happening and its not just the Earths natural weather patterns as something like this has happened thousands of years ago. I am not going around switching off everything by the wall to save energy. Its not the Government that are paying for the electricity. Me turning my TV off by the wall is hardly going to stop carbon emissions especialyl with other larger countries not really caring and just cancelling out any work we are doing over here. Yes, if everyone joins together and does their bit then it can be reduced but the reality is it is the big businesses that are consuming most power. At weekends, power consumption levels are down significantly. And until the Government leads by example, ie actually turning their own things off and turning off the lights in the Houses of Parliament then I'm not doing anything.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Legend
I don't care about them telling us what to do because it's so easy to simply ignore them which I and the majority of other people do. However, when they are trying to dictate what we eat, what we do etc that annoys me ... I've heard they are trying to make the slices of bread thinner because we are eating too much of it and there is something in it that's not good for you .... :conf: ... trying to dictate in ways like this annoys me. If this was the case then I'd just double up on the slices :laugh: ... they are really solving nothing. Though I don't even know how true this is.

There was something else also about toothpaste but I've completely forgot that story.

At the end of the day, if we want to eat, drink and kill ourselves in the process then let us do it. Fair enough, make us aware of what is potentially harmful but then let us decide if we want to do something about it or not ... just don't dictate.

Or just buy unsliced bread and slice it yourself. Its our lives and we should be free to live it however we want to. Yes, they can advise us on what to do which can be done by not forcing these things at us and letting us make our own decisions but ITV News headlining with Government warnings that sausages can lead to bowel cancer (which actually happened a few months ago) is a little much.

[Captain.Remy]

On that question, the government annoys me (and not only me) about smoking. Ok it's fine to tell the bad sides but let me do what I want, I feel like a murderer sometimes ! I want to smoke then I smoke, no matter what I do represent, they are like 'Remy you represent this and that, you should not smoke", it drives me mad. Let me do what I want !!!!!!!!!!

[Shaun]

I agree with Remy on the smoking ban - although I prefer pubs and clubs with no smokers inside now, it should ultimately be the decision of the proprietor as to whether or not smokers are allowed inside.

And nobody can play the "I have a right to clean air" card, because if you wanted clean air, you can sod off outside. Smokers have a right to not be forced outside.

On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

[Ruth]

I am totally against the smoking ban. It should be up to the manager or landlord of every establishment whether or not smoking is allowed.

Our free will is being taken away from us, bit by bit.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Ruth
I am totally against the smoking ban. It should be up to the manager or landlord of every establishment whether or not smoking is allowed.

Our free will is being taken away from us, bit by bit.

Yes exactly, smoking was allowed in my college but the government voted a low against and now a law has been voted for the clubs, bars and restaurant. I can understand some people find it annoying to get smokers on a club but it's too far.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

[Dr43%er]

"but there is no need for them to tell us about it in every news report "

With some of the attitudes on here I would suggest they do need to keep telling us. Even if you don't care about global warming, do you care about money? Energy prices are going through the roof and so are the bills, or don't you pay them yet? I will put money on most of your attitudes changing about leaving lights on and the like if you paid the bills.

Do we agree that all workers have the right to work in a safe environment? To not be made ill by breathing in toxic fumes. Be they chemical fumes in a factory or smoke in a bar. Or should the bar staff go outside every time they want to breath? You won't get served very often.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

But they aren't making you. Would you like to be living under water in 50 years! They are trying to protect our world, not dictate what we do.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"but there is no need for them to tell us about it in every news report "

With some of the attitudes on here I would suggest they do need to keep telling us. Even if you don't care about global warming, do you care about money? Energy prices are going through the roof and so are the bills, or don't you pay them yet? I will put money on most of your attitudes changing about leaving lights on and the like if you paid the bills.

Do we agree that all workers have the right to work in a safe environment? To not be made ill by breathing in toxic fumes. Be they chemical fumes in a factory or smoke in a bar. Or should the bar staff go outside every time they want to breath? You won't get served very often.

Here here! Why should non-smokers suffer, when they deserve the right to bright natural air. Smokers however started smoking by choice, therefore shouldn't they make teh sacrifice of smoking outside.

And as I said in my previous post, we are the people that can help protect our environment.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

There's a huge difference between that and actually completely enforcing us to do it. In that case, Ariel washing powder are a bunch of authoritarians for telling me to turn my Washing Machine down to 30 degrees. :conf2:

And tbh, I just think you're using this as an excuse not to turn off light switches (etc.)

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Dr43%er
"but there is no need for them to tell us about it in every news report "

With some of the attitudes on here I would suggest they do need to keep telling us. Even if you don't care about global warming, do you care about money? Energy prices are going through the roof and so are the bills, or don't you pay them yet? I will put money on most of your attitudes changing about leaving lights on and the like if you paid the bills.

Do we agree that all workers have the right to work in a safe environment? To not be made ill by breathing in toxic fumes. Be they chemical fumes in a factory or smoke in a bar. Or should the bar staff go outside every time they want to breath? You won't get served very often.

Here here! Why should non-smokers suffer, when they deserve the right to bright natural air. Smokers however started smoking by choice, therefore shouldn't they make teh sacrifice of smoking outside.

And as I said in my previous post, we are the people that can help protect our environment.

There is no "right to bright natural air". By that logic, I have the right to be rich and gorgeous, but you don't see that happening.

Ultimately, bar-staff should work in whatever conditions the proprietor deems appropriate; if he/she is willing to allow smokers in his/her bar, then that's their decision - and if the workers don't like that, they can go elsewhere.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

But they aren't making you. Would you like to be living under water in 50 years! They are trying to protect our world, not dictate what we do. The water will rise, we will build over it, then what? when all the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about

[Dr43%er]

with that logic you would have to say people in acid production should not have protective clothing if their boss sees fit. If the employee does not like it they can go work somewhere else. Am i correct in thinking that?

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

But they aren't making you. Would you like to be living under water in 50 years! They are trying to protect our world, not dictate what we do. The water will rise, we will build over it, then what? when all the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about

Then What? Have you any idea of how much that will cost the world? Do you realise how many animals will die? How much the world will change. I dont really think you can say nothing to worry about, billions of pounds will be gone, people will die, disease will spread. I dont think you really understand the global Implications. What about LEDC's and other Sea Islands, can they afford to build over the water?

[MarkWaldorf]

I actually think the nagging needs to happen. No ones listening to the effects Global Warming will have on this Earth, they just believe "oh, we'll leave it for the for the future generation." Are they unaware that Global Warming will unfold on their children/grand children? No, because this world is selfish. Only those making this world a healthier place are aware of what's happening.

[Scarlett.]

Did you know Scientists are currently devloping cars that run on Salt Water as radiowaves burn it creating fuel?

Plus whatever we do the world wont change China is pumping out more smoke than the whole world put together

[Tom]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

But they aren't making you. Would you like to be living under water in 50 years! They are trying to protect our world, not dictate what we do. The water will rise, we will build over it, then what? when all the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about

The media purposely miss out details to brainwash the public with false information. The world will not go underwater at all. Predictions show that water levels will rise 84m which is not a lot considering that most land around the world is at least 100m above sea level. Lets put that into perspective. The Blackpool tower is 158m tall and the foundations are a good few metres above sea level. Its also been proven that water levels will even out because of currents and the moon so they won't even rise 84m. Another thing which has been proven is that the UK will actually get colder rather than warmer.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
with that logic you would have to say people in acid production should not have protective clothing if their boss sees fit. If the employee does not like it they can go work somewhere else. Am i correct in thinking that?

That's quite a different scenario - that would involve direct contact with dangerous chemicals, and of course they have to wear protective clothing.

It's different, however, denying smokers the ability to stay inside your bar because of something which has been imposed by the state. Bar-staff should be well aware of the fact that, as is with any place, smokers may be smoking there and ultimately, though I personally agree that having smoke around me is horrible, they have every right to be there.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Shaun
On the whole global warming thing, I don't think the government are "forcing" us to do anything; they're just recommending it :shrug: Sure, it's helpful to turn off the light switches and all that jazz, but it's not like I'm being forced to...it's just my choice. And as for them not turning off lights at the HoP - I think it's open all the time, and they need the lights on for security reasons really...

They are trying to force us. Its on TV, radio and billboards all of the time about how the government are saying you must switch electrics off by the wall, you must turn things off as you walk out of the room, you must only have on required heating etc.

But they aren't making you. Would you like to be living under water in 50 years! They are trying to protect our world, not dictate what we do. The water will rise, we will build over it, then what? when all the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about

The media purposely miss out details to brainwash the public with false information. The world will not go underwater at all. Predictions show that water levels will rise 84m which is not a lot considering that most land around the world is at least 100m above sea level. Lets put that into perspective. The Blackpool tower is 158m tall and the foundations are a good few metres above sea level. Its also been proven that water levels will even out because of currents and the moon so they won't even rise 84m. Another thing which has been proven is that the UK will actually get colder rather than warmer.

And what about the parts which are not 84 metres above sea level? I know I'm not.

[Lauren]

I wouldn't mind if the weren't so hypocritical. Red wine, it's good for us AND bad for us? Chocolate... good and bad? WHAT DO I DO!?

No comment on global warming.

[Dr43%er]

Are you saying people who work in bars have less rights?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Are you saying people who work in bars have less rights?

Of course they have equal rights, it's just that they should also have the common sense to accept that working in a bar comes with an environment in which smokers smoke.

[Dr43%er]

At some point in the past people would have been working with toxic chemicals/acids with out protection as the laws were not in place. It is only due to laws being passed that forces the bosses to protect the workers. All that has happened is this has been extended to bar workers.

On the water rising thing. Here is an interesting site. http://flood.firetree.net/

Taking Blackpool as the example. Zoom in to it.

Now here is what happens at various sea level raises.

1 meter. The South shore beech has gone.

3 meters. Lytham green drive golf club starts to flood.

6 meters. Homes around the Hawes Side lane now fooding.

8 meters. Blackpool airport starts to flood.

10 meters. Hundreds of homes now flooded with the waters now lapping at the town centre.

12 meters. South Blackpool totally under water.

14 meters. The town centre is now flooded. Thousands of people are now homeless. Shops and industry are now closed.

It does not go up to 84 meters. I think you get the point though.

[Scarlett.]

We will adapt like we always have done

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Chewy
We will adapt like we always have done

And keep adapting until there's no land at all? What do we plan to do then? Make crops grow magically?

[tinkerbell]

They dont order you or make you do anything, they are just suggesting and trying to help people to be happier or healthier. you dont have to do shito.

[Matt10k]

But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

[Scarlett.]

No theres an infinite amount of Space above us and Scientists are working on building "Halo" style habitats and are working on Terraforming Mars, I'll find the info

[CookieDough3000]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Are you saying people who work in bars have less rights?

Are you saying they have more?

The real people with rights in this context are not the customer or the worker, they are the owner. If the owner wants to allow what is afterall an entirely legal activity on his own property, he is entitled to. That is what ownership means.

Nobody is forced to work there or take their custom there. If nobody does, then the owner will change his practices because his making a loss. If, however, people do, then it is a mutual agreement on the part of the owner and the customers that smoking is allowed there. Someone that doesn't like smoking should not enter, just as I should not enter a club if I don't like loud music or a library if I have a fear of books.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Chewy
No theres an infinite amount of Space above us and Scientists are working on building "Halo" style habitats and are working on Terraforming Mars, I'll find the info

No offense, but I'll believe that when I see it.

[Scarlett.]

Terraforming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming
Artists impression on a current project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Internal_view_of_the_Stanford_torus.jpg
Space Colonization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by Matt10k
But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

[Scarlett.]

Once we find a new source of fuel, the atmosphere will heal

[Dr43%er]

You would get on well as a boss in china. A worker loses a hand in a machine as the law does not require safety guards. Just replace them. After all it was their fault for working there. No one forced them to.

[CookieDough3000]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
You would get on well as a boss in china. A worker loses a hand in a machine as the law does not require safety guards. Just replace them. After all it was their fault for working there. No one forced them to.

What a totally pointless comment. Everybody else seems to be talking about smoking here. Do you have some tick that compells you to type 'China'?

Working a dangerous machine is not something people do in their leisure; smoking is. It is fair to assume therefore that outlets will be provided by people where people can congregate and smoke.

Who exactly are you speaking for here? Who made you Chairman of the Bar Workers' Union? I have never once met a bar worker who has wanted smoking banned; most of them have smoked themselves.

Don't try and paint your moralistic crusade as some daring campaign to support workers. Just admit it for what it is: a tyrannous, selfish attempt to stop people doing what they want to do simply because you don't like it. The only people who had a problem with smoking in pubs were people like you - spoilt, demanding egoists who should have just gone home and let people get on with their own lives.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun
Originally posted by Chewy
We will adapt like we always have done

And keep adapting until there's no land at all? What do we plan to do then? Make crops grow magically?

But there is only so much water so if all of the ice caps suddenly melted then thats as high as sea levels can go. But some people seem to be missing the fact that it will not rise the full 84m if anything because of scientific factors which will increase the pressure in the sea rather than it flooding. I can't explain what it is because I can't fully remember why it is but they have found that sea levels will even themselves out.

Originally posted by Matt10k
But isn't global warming inevitable? I saw a program which stated that very little of global warming is caused by man.

If we concentrate on CO2, natural sources such as volcanoes and rotting vegetation actually contribute far more to the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere than man made sources.

However... the biggest and most important greenhouse agent is in fact water vapour anyway caused by evaporation from sea water, which is a natural process.

It is true that scientists have found correlation between CO2 levels raising and the temperature raising but when they looked at these results in more detail they noticed that as sun activity increased and as the sun rose in temperature, CO2 levels rose AFTER and not before the sun had already heated up.

The sun is actually slowly growing in size and as a result the temperature on earth is gradually rising. Man really doesn't contribute all that much to the process at all. The temperature would be raising steadily whether we chose to burn fossil fuels or not.

It is inevitable. We are only supposedly helping nature along with carbon emissions but another predicted fact that isn't provided with information is that global warming has occured long before people were in existence, and on more than one occasion. The very technical graph below shows a section of the predicted weather chart throughout the Earths history.

http://i25.tinypic.com/ekq7ir.jpg

The red line represents the fluctuating temperature, the blue line represents the ice age, the yellow line represents the flooding and the green blob represents where we are now. The grey extension is a prediction. They have predicted that the Earth will cool down in a few thousand years, and then within another million or so we will plunge back into another ice age.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by tinkerbell
Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

It is. Sun is heating up, nothing we can do to stop it.

[Matt10k]

Yeah Tom. it's all part of the earths natural cycle that has been going on for millions of years. Mans contribution is minimal and global warming will continue whether we cut down on burning fossil fuels or not.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
Did you know Scientists are currently devloping cars that run on Salt Water as radiowaves burn it creating fuel?

Plus whatever we do the world wont change China is pumping out more smoke than the whole world put together

I hate that. We contributed as much as them, and believe it or not each and everyone of us is contributing to climate change.

" the ice caps are gone, noting to worry about " - To add to that logic, so will the Polar Bears, the Snow you love so much, the fields, the tree's, the great plains, deserts fields. By building over the water, the world will become nothing over than a concrete city.

[Dr43%er]

Typing China once hardly counts as a compultion.

A: I am a boss. So I have a duty of care to my employees for their health and safety. This includes making sure they have the right safety equipment for the job, and a safe working environment. This include noxious airborne substances I.E cigarette smoke.

B: Smoking is something "some" people do for there leisure. Why should this effect the non smokers or smokers who are just trying to do there job.

C: Who made you the chairman of F.O.R.E.ST? Most of the bar workers I know, even the smokers prefer working now the ban is in.

D: With regards to me being egotistical and selfish. As you don't know me you can not possibly know if I ever complained about smokers in bars. I will let you know. Yes I have when someone has burnt me with their fag. You are the one who wants to smoke it, so hold it nearer to you and not away from you. In fact, why do smokers hold their fags away from them if it is no problem.

The only other times would be if i was sat with a mate and the unfiltered smoke was coming straight to me from where they were holding the fag. Then I would ask them if they minded moving it. I would not shout and ball about it, and never have. The ban has made no difference to my habits.

I quite like the idea that I am selfish but you are saying to bar workers, If I want to smoke you should get another job to protect your health.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by tinkerbell
Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

It is. Sun is heating up, nothing we can do to stop it.

The sun is heating up?????????
The why is it Global, wouldn't that effect the whole solar system?

Global Warming is mainly caused by the trapping of Greenhouse Gases in our Ozone layer.

[Scarlett.]

The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by tinkerbell
Global warming isnt inevitable, but they are trying save the planet for as long as they can, end of the world is inevitable but people are trying to make the most of it. A bit of co operation to make the world better wont kill anyone.

It is. Sun is heating up, nothing we can do to stop it.

The sun is heating up?????????
The why is it Global, wouldn't that effect the whole solar system?

Global Warming is mainly caused by the trapping of Greenhouse Gases in our Ozone layer.

You are wrong. All global warming stems from the sun. The suns rays become trapped in the earths atmosphere and the heating effect is prelonged. Without this effect, there would be no life on earth.

The sun itself is heating and expanding and will eventually (albeit) billions of years become so large it engulfs all the planets up to mars.

The main greenhouse agent is water vapour. Another much less important greenhouse agent is CO2. As the sun heats, CO2 levels rise (as I stated earlier). There are other sources of C02 such as volcanos and rotting vegetation. It is thought that the actual amount of CO2 that can be attributed to man from factories, cars etc... is less than 1%.

[Scarlett.]

And one day our sun will be gone and take our Solar System with it

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

[Magic]

Originally posted by Chewy
And one day our sun will be gone and take our Solar System with it

Yes, One day. But thats not happening for a good Million years.

I have noticed lots of Ignorance in this thread, people just seem to hand Global Issues for the future generation to deal with!

You mark my words, you'll all eat Humble Pie one day! :tongue:

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

But magic, why mention the rest of the solar system? Yes, changes in the sun will effect them but who cares?! There is no life there so let's concentrate on our own planet shall we!

[Tom]

With the smoking debate, I think it should be compulsory that in pubs with more than one room and bar that one is made non-smoking and some smoking but it should be down to the license holders on whether smoking should be banned in smaller pubs or not. I think staff have the right to say they don't want to work in a smoky environment. Most bar staff of today will have signed up before the smoking ban so won't really mind anyway as that is what their job entailed before. If you signed up to work at a pub or club before July 07 then you will have known that you would be spending a lot of time around smokers.

I don't agree with smoking, in fact I think its a disgusting habit but at the minute smokers are being treated like animals which isn't fair on them.

[Matt10k]

Also, other planets do have atmospheres. Venus has a very thick atmosphere. Mars has an atmosphere (a very thin one).

[Scarlett.]

Lol! Humble pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I'd be more willing to hear about GW more if it wasnt in every news report

Its like Iraq, we hear about bombings everyday, but its been reported on so much it doesnt stick in your mind

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Chewy
Lol! Humble pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I'd be more willing to hear about GW more if it wasnt in every news report

Its like Iraq, we hear about bombings everyday, but its been reported on so much it doesnt stick in your mind

I know. That's because it's so flavour of the month that any new study along climate lines needs to somehow relate back to global warming or they can't get funding. The program covered that too... there were many researchers and scientists on it who stated they had trouble finding funding unless they somehow related their studies back to global warming. One gave an example of a study citing the disappearance of red squirrels and said they related the study to global warming even though their disappearance had nothing to do with it, so they could secure funding!

So do you see how this could cause tremendous bias?!

[Scarlett.]

Aye

also another example of flogging a dead donkey is Maddie, the story was one so much that people began not to care (although I hope she is found one day)

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Chewy
Aye

also another example of flogging a dead donkey is Maddie, the story was one so much that people began not to care (although I hope she is found one day)

Yep, what the media chooses to show and not show us seems to have a massive effect on what people believe to be true, even when further research shows it is mostly hype, created by media moguls to make more money.

[CookieDough3000]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Typing China once hardly counts as a compultion.

A: I am a boss. So I have a duty of care to my employees for their health and safety. This includes making sure they have the right safety equipment for the job, and a safe working environment. This include noxious airborne substances I.E cigarette smoke.

Smoking in bars is not some strange side-effect that happens as the customers spontaneously burst into smoking, it is (or rather was) one of the things people gathered to do. Owners were happy with it, smokers were happy with it, non-smokers were happy with it, or at least happy enough to not leave, which is always their prerogative. The comparison with China is moot - there, there is very little employment choice. That is not the case here.

As to your example of the dangerous machinery...if a popular and legal past time was to operate dangerous machinery without correct equipment, and a businessman decided to allow it on his premises, it would not be the role fo the state to ban it. The difference between smoking and using poor machinery is clear: whereas the former was one of the main functions of a bar, the latter is not true of machinery.

B: Smoking is something "some" people do for there leisure. Why should this effect the non smokers or smokers who are just trying to do there job.

Their job is to work in a premises that allows smoking. If they don't like it, they can leave. It is a choice to work in such a place, unless you are suggesting that they were coerced into applying there?

C: Who made you the chairman of F.O.R.E.ST? Most of the bar workers I know, even the smokers prefer working now the ban is in.

Nobody. I do not presume to speak for anyone - it is you who are bravely flying the flag for the workers. That is fine; those employees could have recommended it to their employer earlier. If they hate smoking so much, they shouldn't have started working in a place that allows smoking. They clearly didn't care enough to leave.

D: With regards to me being egotistical and selfish. As you don't know me you can not possibly know if I ever complained about smokers in bars. I will let you know. Yes I have when someone has burnt me with their fag.

...someone burnt you with their fag, and as a consequence smoking in every single enclosed space up and down the country should be banned?

You are the one who wants to smoke it, so hold it nearer to you and not away from you.

I want to smoke what now? Who said I smoke? I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, nor do I intend to. Not everyone who opposes the smoking ban smokes; some of us just recognise that there is such a thing as privacy, and we don't have the right to legislate our way into every detail of someone's life.

I quite like the idea that I am selfish but you are saying to bar workers, If I want to smoke you should get another job to protect your health.

I am saying nothing of the sort, firstly because I don't want to smoke. I am saying to bar workers if you do not like smoking, do not work in a place that allows it. I dislike smoking, so I rarely go into bars that allow it. I exercise my choice, just as do those that smoke, and those that don't. Nobody is coerced into entering a bar or working at one. If an owner wants to allow it, fine. If a worker has no problem with it, fine. If anyone does have a problem with it, don't walk through the door.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

But magic, why mention the rest of the solar system? Yes, changes in the sun will effect them but who cares?! There is no life there so let's concentrate on our own planet shall we!

Because someone said the sun is heating up, and thats what is causing Global Warming. What i meant to show is that if the sun was the main cause, it wouldn't be [b]global[/global] warming.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

But magic, why mention the rest of the solar system? Yes, changes in the sun will effect them but who cares?! There is no life there so let's concentrate on our own planet shall we!

Because someone said the sun is heating up, and thats what is causing Global Warming. What i meant to show is that if the sun was the main cause, it wouldn't be [b]global[/global] warming.

Global warming is just the term they use to describe that the earth is heating. I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is? If you don't believe the sun is expanding/ heating and that solar cycles effect the earths climate and have done for millions of years (before modern man ever produced CO2) then look up the evidence yourself...

[Scarlett.]

Just because its called Global Warming

doesnt mean it doesnt mean the other Planets wont get warmer

[Stu]

Im going to chip in and give my opinion on some issues...

Global Warning : Im no scientist , but 'the man' is not trying to take away your civil liberties and keep you down just by telling you we all have to make this rock last a little longer. Fact. Some of the arguments on the first page of this thread are laughable.

Smoking : People have always and will always for ever more smoke. If your bothered by a smoker in this day and age - with all the laws that already go against us smokers - you can just sod off.

Fat People : Every time I see Jamie Oliver on my TV I want to kick his teeth down his throat and hope their is a substaintial amount of fat in them. People are fat. People like to eat. Each one of us are bound to be doing something that is slowly killing us off. Leave fat people be. Most of them are fine individuals who know the perils themselves by now. Information is one thing , talks of hiking the price on fattening food is a whole different basket of eggs.

Drugs : Their are good drugs and bad drugs. Alcohol is a drug. Drugs are not for everybody. Not everybody who uses drugs is an arsehole. All facts. Keep the ban on Heroin , Coke , Speed and other dangerous , addictive drugs. The fact , however , that drugs like Cannabis are still against the law is a disgrace. Whats more of a disgrace is mindless people who buy into the talk to frank bullshit. Cannabis has a thousand uses. All of them positive. Legalise!

Abortion : Im anti abortion , but pro choice. Give people the choice.

Illegal Downloading : I watched 3 new release DVD's for free over the past week by downloading illegaly. Hollywood is still getting rich. Tell me who is the victim in this supposed 'crime'???

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

But magic, why mention the rest of the solar system? Yes, changes in the sun will effect them but who cares?! There is no life there so let's concentrate on our own planet shall we!

Because someone said the sun is heating up, and thats what is causing Global Warming. What i meant to show is that if the sun was the main cause, it wouldn't be [b]global[/global] warming.

Global warming is just the term they use to describe that the earth is heating. I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is? If you don't believe the sun is expanding/ heating and that solar cycles effect the earths climate and have done for millions of years (before modern man ever produced CO2) then look up the evidence yourself...

Scientists have found though when looking at Ice Caps, the CO2 Concentration has increased some much in the last 50 years. So thats evidence proving we speeding up climate change.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Chewy
The rest of the Solar system dont have an atmosphere to affect (except Mars) so why would it effect them?
Thats my point.,

But magic, why mention the rest of the solar system? Yes, changes in the sun will effect them but who cares?! There is no life there so let's concentrate on our own planet shall we!

Because someone said the sun is heating up, and thats what is causing Global Warming. What i meant to show is that if the sun was the main cause, it wouldn't be [b]global[/global] warming.

Global warming is just the term they use to describe that the earth is heating. I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is? If you don't believe the sun is expanding/ heating and that solar cycles effect the earths climate and have done for millions of years (before modern man ever produced CO2) then look up the evidence yourself...

Scientists have found though when looking at Ice Caps, the CO2 Concentration has increased some much in the last 50 years. So thats evidence proving we speeding up climate change.

Scientist shave also found that throughout the course of history there have been fluctuations in temperature, and we are only going through part of the earths natural cycle. They have predicted that in another million years we will be in another ice age. Its also been mentioned in this thread that the sun is growing in size which is something we cannot control. Yes, we are speeding it up but we are not to blame as much as the governments around the world make out to be. Its inevitable.

[Matt10k]

Yes, they measured CO2 levels and found that when the planet was hottest, CO2 was highest but this increased AFTER the planet heated up, not before.

They then correlated the suns activity over the last few millennia and found clear correlation between when the planet was hottest and when solar activity was highest- nothing to do with CO2 and that CO2 only rose AFTER the planet heated (presumably released from said ice caps when they melted).

We are currently reaching the crest of one of these cycles (see the graph posted earlier)