Are you being racist?

[Sod_James]

I often get told im racist because i believe that foreign people should either follow our rules or leave the country and return to their home country.

Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture.

It sadend me last week on rememberance day to fink of all those people who gave their lives for the hope that their country could win the war and stay British, and now i look and fink, would all those men be happy the way this coutnry has turned out and how many foreign people now live in this coutnry.

[xDramatick]

Nope.
You're not racist, I completely agree.

[Captain.Remy]

Well I live with 4 different cultures at the same time then I think I know how people are different and their predicament in the different situations. So no I'm not.

[Spike]

Your not racist. I believe all foreign people should be thrown out the country unless they are following British Culture, proud to British and contributing to our country.

[Conor]

Theres to many forginers in the UK, its something like 15% atm dont have British/Irish routes living in the UK. OK, if they'll do good jobs then its OK, but not if theres 5000 crammed into a chicken factory, whats the point! By the way, is racism not only when a black person or white person annoys the other?

[Captain.Remy]

Don't worry guys, when I will be living in England, I will get a job, a house and a wife...and I will speak english of course ! :hugesmile:

[Conor]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Don't worry guys, when I will be living in England, I will get a job, a house and a wife...and I will speak english of course ! :hugesmile:

Finally a non main English speaking person in the UK. You'll be part of a rare group here! Most forginers know: Yes, No, Please, Thank you and Me no understandy. Thats it and thats when they've been living here for about 3 years!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Conor
Originally posted by sunshine30
Don't worry guys, when I will be living in England, I will get a job, a house and a wife...and I will speak english of course ! :hugesmile:

Finally a non main English speaking person in the UK. You'll be part of a rare group here! Most forginers know: Yes, No, Please, Thank you and Me no understandy. Thats it and thats when they've been living here for about 3 years!

Haha Thanks. Well many people come to England because they think they will speak a better english so I guess at the beginning it's hard.
But I speak english for 11 years so I guess I will speak better than "Yes, No, can you repeat, me no understand" lol :hugesmile:

[Retroman]

I don't think it's classed as racism...
You're not disliking that group of people for their race/skin colour, and you're accepting of those who do follow the rules and take pride in British culture.

You're just one of the many people in the world who can think for themselves, and doesn't feel the need to be politically correct just because it's the "right" thing to do.

It's all well and good believing we can co-exist, but more often than not, an introduction of more varied people [whether it be race, religion, country of origin etc.] causes a country to decline and suffer more problems.

Japan is a country of pride, of which im sure it has its problems, but Japan is considered a dignified and beautiful place to be, whether it be in the cities or the countryside. This is mainly due to their ability to maintain their strong sense of culture, rather than trying to accept everyone elses...which makes a country lose its identity.

[001steven]

We were having a disscussion in my media class today and we were talking about the song ' black boys black boys one day we gonna be black men' cant remmeber tyhe artist BUT apparent ly MTV have banned the video after ofcom said it is dicriminiating white people...i lsitened to the song and I white myself found it racist im NO RASICT BUt this song is really discrimminating against white people... and some boy in my class black ' said he is complaing to OFCOM because they are being racist for banning a song aimed at black boys teens i found this disgusting if it was the othe way round ' white boys white boys ect' there would be UPROAR thisim glad Ofcom and MTV banned the song as it is racist imo

[Sunny_01]

No you are not being racist James, you are simply expressing your opinion about a very sensitive situation. All to often we stop ourselves from saying what we feel in the name of political correctness which is wrong.

I truly welcome and embrace those from other cultures, backgrounds etc.. but I also expect them to embrace my culture as after all they have "chosen" to come and live here or their families chose to come and live here. A little understanding for us would go a long way these days.

We have always embraced christmas yet now we have little men in suits sitting in offices deciding they do not want to offend people from other cultures! yeah right, what about our rights to enjoy particular times of the year, festivals etc..

[Dr43%er]

No, I don't think it is racist, but some of the comments are ill informed or reactionary.

"Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture."

Can you define a "very British culture" for me. Is it drinking tea from a china cup with the vicar or going out on a Friday night to get leathered?

"It sadend me last week on rememberance day to fink of all those people who gave their lives for the hope that their country could win the war and stay British, and now i look and fink, would all those men be happy the way this coutnry has turned out and how many foreign people now live in this coutnry."

Tell me, on remembrance day, did you remember any of the 100's of 1000's of foreign people that died fighting for us brits?

"I believe all foreign people should be thrown out the country unless they are following British Culture, proud to British and contributing to our country."

Once again, what is British culture? How can they be proud to "be" British when they are not? If you moved to lets say Japan. Would you be proud to be British still, or would you class yourself Japanese and be proud of that?

"OK, if they'll do good jobs then its OK, but not if theres 5000 crammed into a chicken factory, whats the point!"

The point is someone needs to work in the chicken factory or we get no chicken. The simple fact is a lot of British people do not want jobs like that as they see it as below them. You yourself don't class it as "good" job. I would rather have 5000 foreign workers in the country that contribute with taxes than the 100's of 1000's of British lay about scrounges that I and the foreign workers pay to keep sat at home watching Trisha whilst moaning about all the foreigners taking our jobs. Get off your backside and get a job in the chicken factory, then they won't have to employ foreigners.

"Most forginers know: Yes, No, Please, Thank you and Me no understandy. Thats it and thats when they've been living here for about 3 years!"

Absolute bollocks. Now I am never one to pull people up on this as my spelling and punctuation are not the best. But if you are going to use that as an argument you really should make sure your spelling and punctuation is beyond reproach. By the way, I do class the above statement as racist.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I often get told Im racist because i believe that foreign people should either follow our rules or leave the country and return to their home country.

Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture.

Absolutely not.

I am all for having foreign people living in this country. What really irritates me is when foreign people come in and try and influence the way we live.

It's very annoying :mad:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matt
Originally posted by Sod_James
I often get told Im racist because i believe that foreign people should either follow our rules or leave the country and return to their home country.

Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture.

Absolutely not.

I am all for having foreign people living in this country. What really irritates me is when foreign people come in and try and influence the way we live.

It's very annoying :mad:

Yep I agree with what you said, that's not racism it's just like people have to follow the rules and not try to be like they want.

[spacebandit]

I went to a remembrance ceremony and there was not one asian face in the crowd [over 1000]. Also not a single one of my towns 15 asian councillors [all labour] attended the service - that to me spoke volumes.

Political correctness has been turned, by the labour party, into a club to use to shut up anybody who speaks on certain issues, and they have used it to create power bases in towns and cities - they have created a social apartheid to consolidate a power position. A dangerous game that will inevitably lead to dissent and strife between differing social populations.

In some towns and cities the labour party are the flipside of the BNP coin, no more and no less. the only difference is rhe labour parties holier than thou attitude in regards to the likes of the BNP and to the problems that labour are helping to create

[Tom4784]

I don't think it's racist either, As long as people who come to live here are productive and follow the law then they can do what they please really, I'd do the same if I moved to another country.

About the culture thing, i like some aspects of different cultures melding together, it makes England a very varied and tolerant country to different religions and life choices.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I often get told Im racist because i believe that foreign people should either follow our rules or leave the country and return to their home country.

Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture.

It sadend me last week on rememberance day to fink of all those people who gave their lives for the hope that their country could win the war and stay British, and now i look and fink, would all those men be happy the way this coutnry has turned out and how many foreign people now live in this coutnry.


No you are not racist but some would like to think so. It is not racist to want to maintain ones own culture. That is everyones right in a country you have been born and bred in.

Whilst we can respect imported cultures it does not give them the right to change the British way of life. If an imigrant is so putt off by the British culture one has to ask. Why did they come here.....

I would not go to to live in a country the culture of which I was not happy with so why do others.......!!!!!

Sadly there are those that have a more profound mission in life to spread and impose beliefs and cultural ways on others.

Is it not racist for people of another culture to dislike our culture....!!!!!! .Racism is always a two way street we must not allow ourselves to be pushed into a one way street...

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Dezzy
I don't think it's racist either, As long as people who come to live here are productive and follow the law then they can do what they please really, I'd do the same if I moved to another country.

About the culture thing, i like some aspects of different cultures melding together, it makes England a very varied and tolerant country to different religions and life choices.


Thats true if the cultures are not poles apart. When they are it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Something has to give and damage is done to both the square and the hole....

[Tom]

Your not being racist but its easy to see that people might think you are being. I think completely the same way, but political correctness has gone mad.

Some schools have banned the "ba ba black sheep" rhyme because its racist. Teachers are no longer allowed to say "white board" or "black board" because that is also deemed racist. I see no logic in them points at all.

For me, racism is only when you don't like someone because of where they are from, or when you use the actual terms.

But people are going at double standards. It is ok for black people not to like white people, but its not ok the other way around.

[Xander]

Your not being racist i agree, i think should abide by our rules if they come into our country.
I don't like it how they influence us on how to live when they come into our country (exactly what Matt said)
I also have a problem with immigration, but thats another story...

[natjake2504]

Your not being racist what you said is the exact way i feel!!!!!!!!!!

[GiRTh]

Why has someone dragged up this tired old thread. It'll only end in an argument.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : GiRTh
Why has someone dragged up this tired old thread. It'll only end in an argument.
I don't think it will end in an argument as so far we read good and constructive answers.

[GiRTh]

OK then I'll post.

The OP talks of a 'British Culture' . What is that exactly? Chicken Tikka Masalla is the most eaten dish in this, six of the top ten richest people in this country are foreign and there is a mosque or synagogue in most districts. What is this British culture that is being talked about?

[:)tom:)]

no ur not racist atall i 100% agree. some people are fine, but the ones that wont learn the langage or try to change the rules and use the fact that they are a minority to get there way pissis me of sooooooo much:mad:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by :)tom:)
no ur not racist atall i 100% agree. some people are fine, but the ones that wont learn the langage or try to change the rules and use the fact that they are a minority to get there way pissis me of sooooooo much:mad: Who are those? Please be more specific.

[Chri$]

Theres this Polish Girl in my Class and Today in History she Perpously stoped me from Going past her and Then I pushed past her and then I got a 30 Min Detention with my Head of year! grrrrrrrr

I think we should be Like america and Not let Pepole come here when ever they want

They should let Pepol in that can Speek 85% of english and actualy do somthing good for the UK

[bananarama]

Originally posted by GiRTh
OK then I'll post.

The OP talks of a 'British Culture' . What is that exactly? Chicken Tikka Masalla is the most eaten dish in this, six of the top ten richest people in this country are foreign and there is a mosque or synagogue in most districts. What is this British culture that is being talked about?


You make a good point. Older people like myself will remember British culture as something different to what you describe. Today I think people are talking about British culture in the past tense-hoping it could return to an identifiable nature. You know fish and chips and ******s and peas along with church bells and the ability to walk our streets safely at night. That was our British culture which alas for one reason or another has been steadily demolished by events.


A multi racial society can work because for most there is no logical reason to dislike someone because of their race. However a multi cultral society cannot ever work as cultures can severly clash and there can be reasons for disliking cultures such as cultures that do not respect women as equalls.

Multi culturism degrades the host culture until it is eventually unrecognisable which is the position we are now at.

In my area for example I walk my dog and see about one in a hundred that is not of a different culture. Worse still I rarely here english spoken be it on the street or on the bus.

Even children coming out of school once out of school speak a language other than english as they walk home.

The host country and its language are not respeced enough by the mix of cultures we now have. They all want to retain there own culture no matter where they are in the world. Such attitudes will only end in tears and worse still civil war at some point in our history.

[SHANEHUGHES!]

Totally correct!

When people come to Britain they should dress, speak, act and live like british people do!

[bigcousin]

i agree.
not rasict atall!

[Matt10k]

Hmm… what’s British culture these days? Going out, watching football, getting p*ssed, having a curry, then fighting?! No, I don’t think they should have to ‘act British’ whatever this even means. On the whole I am fine with immigrants coming to the uk. Most of them end up taking on jobs other people don’t want anyway, it‘s only a minority that give the rest a bad name. Also, I think a degree of empathy is required with some people that need to realise what a lot of these people are leaving behind.

Also, I hate it when people pretend they can’t understand what someone is saying just because their English isn’t perfect. A lesson in how to shatter someones confidence? It’s pretty pathetic. I’d like to see how quickly they could learn another language if England suddenly went to sh*t and they had to leave.

Of course I have an issue with anyone that breaks the law (in certain areas). I think immigrants should follow British law. I also think a lot of native Brits need to follow British law! Also, on the subject of ‘native’ what does that mean? I’d bet most people on this forum have more varied European blood in their ancestry than they care to realise.

It’s so pathetic that we still live in a world where there are borders and things you can and can not do based solely around where you were born. I realise it’s not a perfect world though and am not naïve enough to think we don’t need those borders- I just hope that it won’t always be like this and that some time in the future, we will not be discriminated against solely because of where we are born and what we are born into.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by sunshine30
Don't worry guys, when I will be living in England, I will get a job, a house and a wife...and I will speak english of course ! :hugesmile:

Finally a non main English speaking person in the UK. You'll be part of a rare group here! Most forginers know: Yes, No, Please, Thank you and Me no understandy. Thats it and thats when they've been living here for about 3 years!

I actually think that whilst the original post isn't racist, I think you are being fairly rude towards other nationalities living in this country, saying "5000 crammed into a chicken factory" I think your generalizations are harsh and actually quite untrue.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I often get told Im racist because i believe that foreign people should either follow our rules or leave the country and return to their home country.

Am i racist to believe that this country should sustain a very British culture.

It sadend me last week on rememberance day to fink of all those people who gave their lives for the hope that their country could win the war and stay British, and now i look and fink, would all those men be happy the way this coutnry has turned out and how many foreign people now live in this coutnry.

I actually agree with you. People who don't actually know what British 'is' anymore are proof about how the country has changed over the past 50 years. Now I'm all for immigrants coming over, they don't bother me whatsoever, and I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem if we went to live over there. But I think if they are to respect our culture, then we ought to respect theirs so as long as they follow British laws without causing a fuss we should respect their culture within those laws.

[miracles]

I read through all the post's and i'm quite surprised.
Racism has never really occured to me as a big issue.
If you had said to me that if people don't follow our rules they should be thrown out of our country or if they don't learn our language. Then I would of said it was racist, but my opinions have changed now. After reading through the posts, i've thought, and I don't think that is racist at all.
I don't really know how to phrase this, but....
Errrmm, lets just say if we had a primeminister called Mohammed, then I'd freak out.

[Dr43%er]

Why? Would it bother you if it was an Irish, French, Dutch, German, and so on name? Mohammed may be a 3rd generation brit. So I guess you would freak as they are not white is what you are saying?

[miracles]

I said I didn't know how to phrase it.
I didn't want to use inperticular religions.
So I just used that name.

[dupin]

Originally posted by miracles
I said I didn't know how to phrase it.
I didn't want to use inperticular religions.
So I just used that name.

But a Muslim has every right to lead this country, as much as a Christian, or an Athiest. Their religion is not an indication of their ability to lead England.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
Why? Would it bother you if it was an Irish, French, Dutch, German, and so on name? Mohammed may be a 3rd generation brit. So I guess you would freak as they are not white is what you are saying?

French ? Yes I want to be the primeminister ! :tongue:

[miracles]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by miracles
I said I didn't know how to phrase it.
I didn't want to use inperticular religions.
So I just used that name.

But a Muslim has every right to lead this country, as much as a Christian, or an Athiest. Their religion is not an indication of their ability to lead England.

Correction;

Not just England. All the other countries in Great Britain
United Kingdom
British Isles

Which ever one you choose to call it.
Great Britian = England, Scotland, Wales.
United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales and Republic of Ireland.

Mohammed isn't just a Muslim name either, so I don't know why you related to that.

British Isles = England, Scotland, Wales, Republic or Ireland, Southern Ireland.

Although I don't think the British Isles is involved because the Queen does not rule Southern IReland, only the republic.

My Geographical Skills.

[Dr43%er]

Not having no cheese eating surrender monkey leading this great nation. No offence like.

[Dr43%er]

Southern Ireland, is the republic and nothing to do with the UK. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

[miracles]

Mohammed isn't just a Muslim name either, so I don't know why you related to that.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
Not having no cheese eating surrender monkey leading this great nation. No offence like.

Meh ?

[miracles]

Yes sorry Dr43%er. That's what I meant. :bigsmile:

[Dr43%er]

It was a poor joke Remy. Don't worry about it.

[Tom]

Miracles I know what you mean. I'd rather a Brit lead the country who has lived here all of his/her life rather than a Muslim whos only been here for 6 years.

[dupin]

Originally posted by miracles
Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by miracles
I said I didn't know how to phrase it.
I didn't want to use inperticular religions.
So I just used that name.

But a Muslim has every right to lead this country, as much as a Christian, or an Athiest. Their religion is not an indication of their ability to lead England.

Correction;

Not just England. All the other countries in Great Britain
United Kingdom
British Isles

Which ever one you choose to call it.
Great Britian = England, Scotland, Wales.
United Kingdom = England, Scotland, Wales and Republic of Ireland.

Mohammed isn't just a Muslim name either, so I don't know why you related to that.

British Isles = England, Scotland, Wales, Republic or Ireland, Southern Ireland.

Although I don't think the British Isles is involved because the Queen does not rule Southern IReland, only the republic.

My Geographical Skills.


The geographical details of Great Britain hardly hinders my point.

Mohammed was the name of the Final Prophet sent by Allah in Muslim belief, hence it's connection with Islam.

I think what you need to realize is that being a Muslim and being a foriegner are not the same things. There is a huge amount of Muslims in this country that have lived here all their lives, and they shouldn't be thought as being less capabale of being Prime Minister than anyone else.

[usa4eva]

how did your foriegners change your culture of Drinking cups of tea with a vicar (time of your war veterans) to getting pissed every friday night? (time of now) :puzzled:

I read a news article weeks back, blaming foriegners for England losing the euro qualifier. lol, - 'the winging poms', lol at the aussies there for a sec

geeez you brits are way frustrated, you gotta chill out, or maybe thats whats getting you bitter, the damn cold, take a holiday guys, ... in the sun



about the foriegners trying to change the british rules... I think thats just media jibe. Iv never heard any pakistani, indian, etc call to cancel christmas, ...

... media is only trying to cause racial friction so as we wont care about what the foriegn policies are.

[Dr43%er]

"how did your foriegners change your culture of Drinking cups of tea with a vicar (time of your war veterans) to getting p****d every friday night?"

I didn't say that. I asked what was more like British culture. Drinking tea or getting lashed.

[Captain.Remy]

I had that theme today on my blank philosophy exam. Thanks everyone, you helped me a lot. :wink:

[Dr43%er]

How did it go?

[usa4eva]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"how did your foriegners change your culture of Drinking cups of tea with a vicar (time of your war veterans) to getting p****d every friday night?"


"I didn't say that. I asked what was more like British culture. Drinking tea or getting lashed."

no i didnt mean you said that, i mean some people actually do think foriegners changed british culture. so i just re-iterated towards what i hear some british people say.

like the "Foreigners in our country lost us the Euro qualifier"

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
How did it go?

We all failed, well we think. It was a harsh topic to talk about in 4 hours time. Fortounatly I did remember what many members said there but it was not enough lol
Well it's only one, 5 more to go haha

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
Originally posted by Dr43%er
"how did your foriegners change your culture of Drinking cups of tea with a vicar (time of your war veterans) to getting p****d every friday night?"


"I didn't say that. I asked what was more like British culture. Drinking tea or getting lashed."

no i didnt mean you said that, i mean some people actually do think foriegners changed british culture. so i just re-iterated towards what i hear some british people say.

like the "Foreigners in our country lost us the Euro qualifier"

Yeah, we now dip our chips in curry sauce.

[Dr43%er]

USA, fair enough. As long as we are clear.

Remy, did it really go that bad? sorry to hear that. Good luck on the others.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
Remy, did it really go that bad? sorry to hear that. Good luck on the others.

It wasn't that bad but I know I failed. I just got great ideas at the good moment but not enough and I didn't make a deep analysis. The question was "Is the diversity of cultures the major factor of the wars between people ?"
One question, 4 hours and your brain lol

[Dr43%er]

"Yeah, we now dip our chips in curry sauce."

The humble potato is a foreign import to the UK. So are you on about the chips or the curry sauce?

[Dr43%er]

Bloody hell Remy. That's tough.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
bl***y hell Remy. That's tough.

It's philosophy. I really thought it was about Religion or Art but it was about Culture. Bad luck. Fortunatly it was the blank exam haha :hugesmile: (My parents are still going to kill me anyway lol)

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"Yeah, we now dip our chips in curry sauce."

The humble potato is a foreign import to the UK. So are you on about the chips or the curry sauce?


Was just being daft.

Curry's probably our national dish now though ain't it?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Dr43%er
Remy, did it really go that bad? sorry to hear that. Good luck on the others.

It wasn't that bad but I know I failed. I just got great ideas at the good moment but not enough and I didn't make a deep analysis. The question was "Is the diversity of cultures the major factor of the wars between people ?"
One question, 4 hours and your brain lol

Sounds interesting. I like philosophy but what careers does it lead into and how hard is it to get onto the course? I've thought about doing it before.

[Dr43%er]

More than likely. Some would say this proves that other cultures have changed ours. 2 points. Is it a bad thing? And if we had not invaded these countries in the first place would we have curry and chips now?

[Dr43%er]

Good luck with the parents Remy.

[Matt10k]

It's not a bad thing. I love a curry :spin:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Matt10k

Sounds interesting. I like philosophy but what careers does it lead into and how hard is it to get onto the course? I've thought about doing it before.

It sounds, it is but it's terribly difficult. Crazier you are, better it is.
In France, in the last year of college, you have this new subject in all the series (Literature, Buisness & Politics and Scientific). This is compulsory.

A few people got good marks at the Baccalaureate, it's not surprising anyway.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dr43%er
Good luck with the parents Remy.

Thanks. :joker:

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Crazier you are, better it is.

I think I'd get along just fine then! :banana: