Prostitution

[Legend]

Should it become legal? Do you look down on prostitutes? Are the men/"clients" just as bad? Or are they worse?

[Dr43%er]

"Do you look down on prostitutes?"

Depends what they are doing to me.

:spin: Thank you, I will be here all week.

[Spike]

I think it should be legal, don't see why it is illegal. If men want to pay for sex from women willing to give it them while trying to make abit of cash well I can't see no problem it isn't hurting anyone else.

[GiRTh]

We had this debate about this time last year. I'll find the thread.

The best answer is probably not. If prostitution was legal it would cause just as many problems as it would cure. The girls would have to be tested regularly, their working conditions would have to be aproved etc. All of this would increase price and probably create 'underground' brothels where rules were not as strict.

Also, if we legalised prostituion then how would we regulate which sex acts were legal and which ere illegal? How far would the punters be allowed to go with the girls? Legalising prostitution is a good idea in theory but the reality is that it's a logisitical mightmare.

[Shaun]

Karma to Dr43%er for that joke :tongue:

I personally don't know, since there's lots of things to take into account, such as young girls being exploited by (is there a better word for "pimps"?)

[supernoodles!]

No I dont think it should be legal,its sick.I know theres millions of girls all over the world who are seriously desperate for cash and see no other way out other than turning to prostitution but surely making it legal would only make matters worse and increase the number of prostitues.

[Matt10k]

Prostitution is legal in parts (all?) of the Netherlands and is considered to be safer not only for the women but also for their 'clients' as prostitutes must register and be tested for Sti's on a regular basis...

[Tom]

No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

[Dr43%er]

Just to take a counter point. Should the girls who do decide to go in to it not be offered protection. They are going to do it anyway. So why not keep them safer?

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

I look down on the men more than the women,some women are forced into it,have no other way out ect [you dont find many that just want to do it for the love of it!]But with the men there just filthy old perverts who cant get it any other way.I think the men need help!

[Legend]

Had this discussion a while back with some people and I remember some of the comments that where said;

"they are dirty"

"they make me sick"

blah blah blah.

I really think it should become legal. It still happens everywhere, it's always going to happen and by making it legal then they are not at as much risk.

I honestly believe that it's just another job and they should be free to do it and not get locked up for it ... obviously it shouldn't be shuvved in our faces but it's just another way of making some money; keeping a roof over your head, feeding yourself etc.

At the end of the day, they are doing nobody else any harm, they are having sex and getting paid for it ... is that really such a huge deal? Fair enough it's not an ideal "job" but you have to make money somehow and I'd rather they made it this way than turning to theft etc which could leave other people out of pocket.

Providing it's not shuvved in our faces then I think they should be left be. People should get off their high horse when it comes to prostitutes and stop thinking they are the scum of the earth.

I really feel sorry for them because I doubt prostitution was #1 on their "what I want to be when I grow up" list.

[Tom]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

I look down on the men more than the women,some women are forced into it,have no other way out ect [you dont find many that just want to do it for the love of it!]But with the men there just filthy old perverts who cant get it any other way.I think the men need help!

I agree, the men seem to get away with their reputation intact but women only have to sleep with someone else whilst in a relationship and be called a slut, let alone being a prostitute.

I don't think there is no way out for them though.

[GiRTh]

There we go.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=55513

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

And yeah ... I looked for the other thread but had no luck.

[Legend]

Originally posted by GiRTh
There we go.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=55513

Nearly EXACTLY a year to the day .. strange.

[Matt10k]

I agree with Legend. People seem to be missing the bigger picture. As long as prostitution is illegal, it is impossible to control and women are open to abuse.

Lets face it, whether it's legal or not, it's still going to happen so I think it should be legalised. The Dutch are very forward thinking really...

[Dr43%er]

"I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money."

If someone offered you £1'000'000 to sleep with them, they are not hideous but may not be your first choice. Would you?

[Dr43%er]

Top point legend.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

And yeah ... I looked for the other thread but had no luck.


no how is it the same thing ,gettign your tits out for a photo or letting some married bloke with 3 kids who you dont know from adam put his greasy paws all over your body and do god knows what to you {not saying all men who go to prostitues are like this just an example]

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I agree with Legend. People seem to be missing the bigger picture. As long as prostitution is illegal, it is impossible to control and women are open to abuse.

Lets face it, whether it's legal or not, it's still going to happen so I think it should be legalised. The Dutch are very forward thinking really... Prostitution will always be illegal in some way shape or form. Did you read my post above? If prostitution is legal how do we decide what the punters can do to the girls? Also, what to stop a dirty old man type entreprneur opening brothels that appeal to people who demand more hardcore sex. How do we control that and stop him hiding behind the law inorder to discriminate and oppress women? Isn't it strange how this debate runs into another debate.

[Legend]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

I look down on the men more than the women,some women are forced into it,have no other way out ect [you dont find many that just want to do it for the love of it!]But with the men there just filthy old perverts who cant get it any other way.I think the men need help!

"need help" OTT much? If they are willing to pay for sex then what's the harm? It doesn't mean they need professional help ... it means they are human and they enjoy sex ... does it honestly matter if they are paying for it or not?

"filthly old perverts"

Again, another stereotype ... and since when was having sex perverted? Nor is it filthy. It's sex, we all do it ... so what if people have to/want to pay for it, that's their choice and it's not harming anybody else and I really don't think it's a sign of them needing to seek professional help.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Legend
"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Yes, it is a stereotype but that is just the way I think. I can't help that.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

No, thats a completely different job. They aren't having god knows what shoved up them for a start.

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

1) Porn is fake
2) Porn is crap- its funny and unrealistic. It does NOTHING for me.
3) I'm left handed :joker:

[Dr43%er]

Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

[GiRTh]

Add Angus Deayton to that list.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two. There is not difference. Both sell their bodies for sex.

[Magic]

Originally posted by GiRTh
We had this debate about this time last year. I'll find the thread.

The best answer is probably not. If prostitution was legal it would cause just as many problems as it would cure. The girls would have to be tested regularly, their working conditions would have to be aproved etc. All of this would increase price and probably create 'underground' brothels where rules were not as strict.

Also, if we legalised prostituion then how would we regulate which sex acts were legal and which ere illegal? How far would the punters be allowed to go with the girls? Legalising prostitution is a good idea in theory but the reality is that it's a logisitical mightmare.

I agree with Girth. If it was legalised, we would go to the point of debating how far prostition should go & should the men be responsible if the prostitute does get pregnant, and protection fails.

If it is legal, only more issues will arise.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money."

If someone offered you £1'000'000 to sleep with them, they are not hideous but may not be your first choice. Would you?

Only those with "so much respect for themselves" wouldn't I bet.

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Tom_
No. They should just get a proper job and if dirty old men want sex that badly then they will go out and get it properly and for free. For the record, yes I do look down on them purely because its extremely derogatory to have to have sex for money.

"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

And yeah ... I looked for the other thread but had no luck.


no how is it the same thing ,gettign your tits out for a photo or letting some married bloke with 3 kids who you dont know from adam put his greasy paws all over your body and do god knows what to you {not saying all men who go to prostitues are like this just an example]

That's exactly it ... THEY are LETTING them put their "greesy paws" all over them ... that is their choice so who are we to tell them no?

As Matt10K said, keeping it illegal means the women have to put themselves in more danger as they are not wanting to get caught by the police whereas if it was legal then they wouldn't have that worry and they wouldn't be in as much danger.

I know what you mean GiRTh but that's for another debate. :laugh:

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two. There is not difference. Both sell their bodies for sex.

There is.

1) Prostitutes generally work alone, do not get checked and may be riddled with disease, and just generally tramps to put it nicely. They will also go for about £50 and stand on street corners, work wherever. They are used for sex.
2) Vice girls work for an agency, have regular checks and get paid a lot more. They also appear to be of a higher class and only work mainly in hotels. They do not just sell themselves for sex. Some people hire vice girls purely for conversational purposes (as strange as that may be) and some hire them to be a dominatrix. Vice girls are not all about sex.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Legend
"dirty old men"

That's a complete stereotype and no doubt you'd be surprised.

And getting a "proper job" is not as easy as people make it out to be.

Yes, it is a stereotype but that is just the way I think. I can't help that.

Prostitues sell their bodies. Do models not to that? Don't page 3 girls get their t!ts out for other people's pleasure? Is that not the same thing?

No, thats a completely different job. They aren't having god knows what shoved up them for a start.

Do you feel the same about porn? They do exactly the same ... they have sex for money. Is that also "extremeley derogatory"? Yet no doubt you and your right hand have sat there and enjoyed it ... no?

Or is porn completely different because it's legal so therefore no longer "derogatory"?

1) Porn is fake
2) Porn is crap- its funny and unrealistic. It does NOTHING for me.
3) I'm left handed :joker:

I knew you'd be left handed. :laugh:

Yeah, it may be a different job but they are both "selling their bodies" which is "extremely derogatory".

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Matt10k
I agree with Legend. People seem to be missing the bigger picture. As long as prostitution is illegal, it is impossible to control and women are open to abuse.

Lets face it, whether it's legal or not, it's still going to happen so I think it should be legalised. The Dutch are very forward thinking really... Prostitution will always be illegal in some way shape or form. Did you read my post above? If prostitution is legal how do we decide what the punters can do to the girls? Also, what to stop a dirty old man type entreprneur opening brothels that appeal to people who demand more hardcore sex. How do we control that and stop him hiding behind the law inorder to discriminate and oppress women? Isn't it strange how this debate runs into another debate.

The only thing I can see your argument applying to is underage prostitution and no I don't think this should be legalised but consenting adults- yes.

Legalising it won’t stop abuse, it will ‘reduce’ it. It is impossible to stop it.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two. There is not difference. Both sell their bodies for sex.

There is.

1) Prostitutes generally work alone, do not get checked and may be riddled with disease, and just generally tramps to put it nicely. They will also go for about £50 and stand on street corners, work wherever. They are used for sex.
2) Vice girls work for an agency, have regular checks and get paid a lot more. They also appear to be of a higher class and only work mainly in hotels. They do not just sell themselves for sex. Some people hire vice girls purely for conversational purposes (as strange as that may be) and some hire them to be a dominatrix. Vice girls are not all about sex.

So because they prance around a restaurant before bending over they are better than the tramps yeah? To put it nicely.

Prostitutes sell sex for money.
Vice girls sell sex for money.

Don't be a hypocrite.

[PapaRoachGurlx]

I think, no one cares if its legal or not [ no offence:) ] They would still do it anyway:bigsmile:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Jamie Theakston, Hugh Grant, Dirty old men?

The chances are they used a vice girl, not a prostitute. There is a slight difference between the two. There is not difference. Both sell their bodies for sex.

There is.

1) Prostitutes generally work alone, do not get checked and may be riddled with disease, and just generally tramps to put it nicely. They will also go for about £50 and stand on street corners, work wherever. They are used for sex.
2) Vice girls work for an agency, have regular checks and get paid a lot more. They also appear to be of a higher class and only work mainly in hotels. They do not just sell themselves for sex. Some people hire vice girls purely for conversational purposes (as strange as that may be) and some hire them to be a dominatrix. Vice girls are not all about sex.

So because they prance around a restaurant before bending over they are better than the tramps yeah? To put it nicely.

Prostitutes sell sex for money.
Vice girls sell sex for money.

Don't be a hypocrite.

They are tramps as well, they just don't necessarily look like them :joker:

As for the porn stars, then yes its derogatory to them as well, if not more so.

But to be honest and after thinking about it, I couldn't care less if it became legal or not because it won't affect me because I have no plans to become a male prostitute and I can get it for free anyway. Whether or not it is legal, it will still be happening probably on the same scale because those interested in it will probably already be into it. I doubt there would be a dramatic increase.

[Billy]

ROFLMFAO At the lefthanded comment!!

i dont see the point in it being illegal, its still goin to happen

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Matt10k
I agree with Legend. People seem to be missing the bigger picture. As long as prostitution is illegal, it is impossible to control and women are open to abuse.

Lets face it, whether it's legal or not, it's still going to happen so I think it should be legalised. The Dutch are very forward thinking really... Prostitution will always be illegal in some way shape or form. Did you read my post above? If prostitution is legal how do we decide what the punters can do to the girls? Also, what to stop a dirty old man type entreprneur opening brothels that appeal to people who demand more hardcore sex. How do we control that and stop him hiding behind the law inorder to discriminate and oppress women? Isn't it strange how this debate runs into another debate.

The only thing I can see your argument applying to is underage prostitution and no I don't think this should be legalised but consenting adults- yes.

Legalising it won’t stop abuse, it will ‘reduce’ it. It is impossible to stop it. How does my argument only apply to underage prostitution? Surely a clever entrepreneur can make money out of older women by offering a more kinky option.

Of course abuse is impossible to stop but legalising prostitution would in a way legalise the abuse. The abuse would reduce due to the fact that its legal. Is that what we want?

[Matt10k]

[/quote]How does my argument only apply to underage prostitution? Surely a clever entrepreneur can make money out of older women by offering a more kinky option.

Of course abuse is impossible to stop but legalising prostitution would in a way legalise the abuse. The abuse would reduce due to the fact that its legal. Is that what we want? [/quote]

Where is your evidence for this? Prostitution is far safer in the Netherlands because it is legal and able to be controlled.

Your argument only applies to underage prostitution because since when is something 'kinky' illegal? How kinky are we talking here? Even S&M is legal so I'm not really sure what sort of kinky you are referring to?

Also, by legalising prostitution, you are not legalising abuse. Women aren't being abused by having sex. The abuse comes from violent punters and by legalising it and having set areas with security, the abuse is greatly reduced.

See, in the Netherlands, the legal prostitutes work inside, not on the streets. They make the men use protection, there are security guards and they are regularly tested for Sti's.

How is keeping it illegal and having it run by criminal gangs and violent pimps on the streets better?! Don't see your point at all...

[Dr43%er]

On the vice girl thing. Do you mean "call girl" They tend to be the "higher class" prostitutes. They are still prostitutes though.

The woman Hue Grant went with was a street worker. Not high class at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Brown_(sex_worker)

Porn is fake? It is not love, true. But the people are still having sex for money. Prostitution is not about love, but having sex for money. Where is the difference?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Where is your evidence for this? Prostitution is far safer in the Netherlands because it is legal and able to be controlled. In Amsterdam just about all of the brothels are within spitting distance of each other. That is a big factor in making them safer. The wider the aree for brothels then the harder it become to regulate. Amsterdam is not such a good example on the legalisation of Prostitution.

Your argument only applies to underage prostitution because since when is something 'kinky' illegal? How kinky are we talking here? Even S&M is legal so I'm not really sure what sort of kinky you are referring to?

Also, by legalising prostitution, you are not legalising abuse. Women aren't being abused by having sex. The abuse comes from violent punters and by legalising it and having set areas with security, the abuse is greatly reduced.You've missed my point by about a mile. Maybe I should take the time to explain it in much easier to understand terms. Max Hardcore is a pornographer who makes films where he frankly abuses girls. Take a look at his wiki page to find out what a charmer he is. He hides behind the first amendment and his right to freedom of expression inorder to get away with this. What is to stop some clever but pervy entrepreneur taking advantage of lax prostitution laws to abuse women in a similar way. legalising prostitiution opens the flood gates. Where do the goverment draw the line between consentual sex and rape if prostitution is legal and girls are legally paid to have sex.

See, in the Netherlands, the legal prostitutes work inside, not on the streets. They make the men use protection, there are security guards and they are regularly tested for Sti's. I already made the point that this would a very necessary step in the legalisation of prostitution. So who's going to pay for that? Surely the girls who work on the street are cheaper? If so then are they regulated? I doubt it. I fail to see the point in legalising prostitution only for the problem of illegal prostitution to still be around.

How is keeping it illegal and having it run by criminal gangs and violent pimps on the streets better?! Don't see your point at all... It's not better but legalising prostitution would cost too much, mean political suicide for whichever party proposed it and develop into a logisitical nightmare. Legalising protitution is a great idea in theory but the practice is unworkable.

[Matt10k]

Holland is a good example because it demonstrates how legalising prostitution has a positive affect. I looked up Max Hardcore and it appears he has been charged and his computers seized so I‘m not sure that was a good example. Even still, if one or two manage to work the system this is still preferable to the thousands who will abuse women as it is currently because the government has no control over prostitution.

With controls set on what you can and can’t do, it becomes easier for police to target the real bad eggs out there and not waste their time busting up men who are simply sleeping with prostitutes but are not abusing them- see this is a diversion of police time away from the more serious cases.

As for all the legal brothels being within spitting distance, how do you know this- have you visited them all?

Finally… how do you know the cost of legalising prostitution? Do you know how much the government and specifically police spend managing prostitutes as it is currently? I’m pretty sure having a structured system would reduce costs in the long run.

I also disagree that it’d be political suicide. It seems the majority of posters here understand how legalising prostitution could reduce abuse and I don’t think this would make them decide not to vote for that particular party…

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Holland is a good example because it demonstrates how legalising prostitution has a positive affect. I looked up Max Hardcore and it appears he has been charged and his computers seized so I‘m not sure that was a good example. Even still, if one or two manage to work the system this is still preferable to the thousands who will abuse women as it is currently because the government has no control over prostitution.

With controls set on what you can and can’t do, it becomes easier for police to target the real bad eggs out there and not waste their time busting up men who are simply sleeping with prostitutes but are not abusing them- see this is a diversion of police time away from the more serious cases.

As for all the legal brothels being within spitting distance, how do you know this- have you visited them all?

Finally… how do you know the cost of legalising prostitution? Do you know how much the government and specifically police spend managing prostitutes as it is currently? I’m pretty sure having a structured system would reduce costs in the long run.

I also disagree that it’d be political suicide. It seems the majority of posters here understand how legalising prostitution could reduce abuse and I don’t think this would make them decide not to vote for that particular party… All very nice in theory.

Holland only works because the brothels are so close togehter. I haven't been to any but I do go to Amstredam quite regularly. Do I need to have been to all of them in order for you to believe its so? The Redlight area where prostitiution is legal in Amsterdam is a tiny area of the city. Do I need to produce a map inorder to prove this?

Max Hardcore is an example of a clever man who has used the lax law inorder for him to make money out of abuse. I believe he's the blueprint for the kind of person who is likely to own a brothel. His kind will certainly crawl out of the wood work under a legal system. At least with the laws that we have we can throw people in jail for abuse.

Legalising prostitution would on par with attempting to legalise drugs. There would be so much opposition from the moral majority that it would never happen. Do you agee or do I need to hunt for facts and figures to back up my believable theory. I note you dont back up your posts with figures. I'll do it when you do it.

[Matt10k]

But Max Hardcore was caught and charged, why don't you just admit it was a bad example?

Also, you say you visit amsterdam but there are brothels all over The Netherlands so that would make them spread out- no?

I'm not sure why I'd have to back any of this up. Look Max Hardcore up yourself and see that he has been caught (after all, it was you who mentioned him) and also the fact that prostitution is legal in the netherlands and there are plenty of brothels outside amsterdam- you aren't suggesting ALL the brothels in the country exist in one city are you?

[GiRTh]

As i recall I used Max Hardcore as an example of how the relaxing of the rules has bought explitative men like that out of the woodwork. Men who can use the law to get away with their abuse. I think I made my point pretty clear I dont see how you misunderstood it.

There are Brothels in Amsterrdam all within a one mile radius of one another. Where are the all the others? Give me the fact and figures that back up how successful this scheme is. For me the sucess of the scheme in Amsterdam not all over Holland is in part down to the close proximity of the brothels. If you disagree then give me the figures you insist I produce.

[Matt10k]

I disagree, these men exist already and are currently abusing women. You are right though in stating that it 'brings them out of the woodwork'. It does make them easier to spot...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I disagree, these men exist already and are currently abusing women. You are right though in stating that it 'brings them out of the woodwork'. It does make them easier to spot... Of course these men exist but, as I stated earlier, if prostitution is legal then they can hide behind the law to get away with their abuse. At least with the current system we can throw them in jail.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Matt10k
I disagree, these men exist already and are currently abusing women. You are right though in stating that it 'brings them out of the woodwork'. It does make them easier to spot... Of course these men exist but, as I stated earlier, if prostitution is legal then they can hide behind the law to get away with their abuse. At least with the current system we can throw them in jail.

If they legalised prostitution and a man abused a woman by either physically assaulting her or doing something she didn't consent to, he would still be thrown in jail.

[GiRTh]

Are you sure of that? Why cant the man claim that by giving her money she implied consent? Thats the logistical nightmare I've been on about. One can claim that under the current system the same could happen, but with the legalisation of prostitution surely such cases would become more prevalent.

[Matt10k]

I see your point and I'm not sure which view to take. I think there are advantages for and against legalising prostitution and I believe the pros outweight the cons (bad joke, sorry).

It's a shame you can't debate in the same civil and intelligent way on the other thread... :conf:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I see your point and I'm not sure which view to take. I think there are advantages for and against legalising prostitution and I believe the pros outweight the cons (bad joke, sorry). Glad to see we agree. Its a can of worms.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Matt10k
I see your point and I'm not sure which view to take. I think there are advantages for and against legalising prostitution and I believe the pros outweight the cons (bad joke, sorry). Glad to see we agree. Its a can of worms.

I agree on some points but I also think there are advantages to legalisation. We can only speculate as to what the full effects of legalisation could be and how it'd work in the uk. However it's clear to see there would be some benefits ie. greater control and in some areas safety for women.

Perhaps some people may then decide to work the system, so I see you point that legalisation may make this easier for a specific type of abuse to occur. In other areas it could help to reduce it. Like I said, there are good and bad points to both arguments...

[GiRTh]

Absolutely. legalising prostitution is a great idea but only in theory.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Absolutely. legalising prostitution is a great idea but only in theory.

But you can never be sure of that as it is not legal in the uk. Even I cannot be sure it is a good idea by citing the netherlands. The benefits could outweigh the negative aspects or vice versa, nobody knows for sure until they try it.

[Stu]

Its personal choice. End of story. Look down on them all you want , but if they want to open their legs in exchange for a client opening their wallets...well , its not murder or assault. If done right , its not harming anybody. Therefore , let them do with their own bodies what they bloody well please.

Again , personal choice.

[FictitiousHouse]

I cant see much problem in legalising prostitution, it goes on anyway. As we type they will be shagging in some room with a bloke who has fifty quid spare or perhaps a touch more cash for some oral or other sexual fantasy. If it was legalised it would be a lot safer for the prostitute and her customer.

Its funny how sex is just wanking with no hands :joker: Thats what my best mate says, well basically he aint getting any at the mo :laugh:

[Stu]

Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

I agree.

If a chainsmoking alchy drugged upto the eyeballs walks up to a prostitute waving a bunch of twenty pound notes in front of her, he may give her too much money by mistake and fail to make his dick rise at the critical moment, throw up on the floor and fall fast asleep while prostitute makes a quick exit via the back door :tongue:

[Stu]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by Morpheus
Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

I agree.

If a chainsmoking alchy drugged upto the eyeballs walks up to a prostitute waving a bunch of twenty pound notes in front of her, he may give her too much money by mistake and fail to make his dick rise at the critical moment, throw up on the floor and fall fast asleep while prostitute makes a quick exit via the back door :tongue:
Im not sure was that an argument for or against a particular side or if it was just for cheap laughs. If it was for cheap laughs , well , you earned them :joker:.

[miracles]

I think Prostitution is disgustine,
but if people choose to live their lives as prostitutues then let them.
I think the whole idea of 'Selling your body' is horrible.
Personally, I wouldn't ever encourage prostitution.

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by Morpheus
Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

I agree.

If a chainsmoking alchy drugged upto the eyeballs walks up to a prostitute waving a bunch of twenty pound notes in front of her, he may give her too much money by mistake and fail to make his dick rise at the critical moment, throw up on the floor and fall fast asleep while prostitute makes a quick exit via the back door :tongue:
Im not sure was that an argument for or against a particular side or if it was just for cheap laughs. If it was for cheap laughs , well , you earned them :joker:.

It was for a cheap laugh :joker: I could get more blue, but just in case there are prostitutes looking in Id better put a lid on my gob, I dont want to offend such a lovely bunch of hot bitches

[Stu]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse

just in case there are prostitutes looking in Id better put a lid on my gob

Its okay I dont mind...














[Yes , that was for cheap laughs too]

[Stu]

Another argument just came into my head. Porno. For those against prostitution , is there an exception for posing nude so some lads can have a wank to your pics? Isint that selling your body?

Dont you think that relates quiet closely to prostitution?

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse

just in case there are prostitutes looking in Id better put a lid on my gob

Its okay I dont mind...














[Yes , that was for cheap laughs too]

God!! did I say that, oh, whoops, but, um, ahh, too late Ive said it :joker: Anyway cant stop too long on this subject my wifes getting the whip and chains out and our bed has bars. Lucky I am a big bodybuilder with muscles like Arny. If I get left alone for any longer than 5 minutes Ill break away :tongue:

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Another argument just came into my head. Porno. For those against prostitution , is there an exception for posing nude so some lads can have a ***k to your pics? Isint that selling your body?

Dont you think that relates quiet closely to prostitution?

I am not against prostitution I would prefer to see it legalised and I am very sure that anyone participating will also have an affinity for frequenting sex shops and buying porn dvds/mags and sex toys. It is all part of the equasion, a weakness that many desperate men have, Hugh Grant being one of them. He just wasnt getting what he wanted at home :tongue:

[bananarama]

Some consider prostitutes to be low life and imoral and dirty whatever.....And so and so on.

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.

I bet a lot of those merchants probably look down on prostitution. They shouldn't.....As they are far worse.

On balance I think it would make sense to leglise it as long as it was properly controlled and monitored in order to weed out any abuse and girls being forced into the game. You can never get rid of abuse but I think making it legal would reduce the abuse considerably..

The bottom line is we may look down on others for what ever reason but in a free society of which our poltitions boast we are supposed to have then people should have a free choice of how they live there lives as long as their life style does not infringe others rights......

It is wrong and snobbish to claim either the girls or the men are dirty and bad. They are all simply human with human desires. A man or woman may get old but that does not mean their sex drive also gets old. To label any age group as dirty old men or women is just ignorant ageism.......All ages have a right to sexual instincts as unpalatable as it may seem to younger people sexual feeling do not alway diminish with age.

What is still needed in this control freak world is tolorence to the choices that people make instead of what is more often than not just a snobbish stand offish condemnation of people with sexual life styles different to their own.


Society has accepted the rights of different sexualities and agrees all should be repected to have and practice their different sexualities and yet the sexual tastes and appetites of people wanting to relieve there sexual feeling in the way they want is still looked down in in a typical British hypocrytical way.......

[Legend]

Originally posted by bananarama
Some consider prostitutes to be low life and imoral and dirty whatever.....And so and so on.

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.

I bet a lot of those merchants probably look down on prostitution. They shouldn't.....As they are far worse.

On balance I think it would make sense to leglise it as long as it was properly controlled and monitored in order to weed out any abuse and girls being forced into the game. You can never get rid of abuse but I think making it legal would reduce the abuse considerably..

The bottom line is we may look down on others for what ever reason but in a free society of which our poltitions boast we are supposed to have then people should have a free choice of how they live there lives as long as their life style does not infringe others rights......

It is wrong and snobbish to claim either the girls or the men are dirty and bad. They are all simply human with human desires. A man or woman may get old but that does not mean their sex drive also gets old. To label any age group as dirty old men or women is just ignorant ageism.......All ages have a right to sexual instincts as unpalatable as it may seem to younger people sexual feeling do not alway diminish with age.

What is still needed in this control freak world is tolorence to the choices that people make instead of what is more often than not just a snobbish stand offish condemnation of people with sexual life styles different to their own.


Society has accepted the rights of different sexualities and agrees all should be repected to have and practice their different sexualities and yet the sexual tastes and appetites of people wanting to relieve there sexual feeling in the way they want is still looked down in in a typical British hypocrytical way.......

Amen.

[Christina]

I dont think prostatution should become legal.. i dont think its right but i certainly dont look down on them. Imagine how hard there life must be for anyone to go as low as prostatution? And quite frankly i pity anyone who actually takes plesure from a prostatute i think there sick. I feel so sorry for them children as younge as 9 are getting involved in prostation. I think the goverment should try to stop it and try to get anyone involved in prostatution back on their feet so they can start living a happy life. They must feel so insicure and frightened. x

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.


Rubbish. One night stands are from two people who have just met and have a genuine interest in eachother. A prostitute just has sex with whoever because if they don't they won't get paid. People who have one night stands have a real job and yes they usually end up regretting it the next morning but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, and nobody is forcing anybody to have sex or feeling pressured into it for money.

[northcircular]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
I dont think prostatution should become legal.. i dont think its right but i certainly dont look down on them. Imagine how hard there life must be for anyone to go as low as prostatution? And quite frankly i pity anyone who actually takes plesure from a prostatute i think there sick. I feel so sorry for them children as younge as 9 are getting involved in prostation. I think the goverment should try to stop it and try to get anyone involved in prostatution back on their feet so they can start living a happy life. They must feel so insicure and frightened. x

you have made some very good points in that post; well done. I have to agree that prostitution is a disgusting way to make a living; many of the girls being run by pimps and not receiving much after the pimps take their large cut of their hard earned money for a job with many dangers.

imagine being a prostitute and standing on some street corner around midnight; wearing some tarty/sleazy clothing to attract a customer. suddenly a car pulls over towards you and the man winds the window down and you approach him; saying something like (fancy a good time mister?) he will reply (how much) then you say the price and if he agrees; in the car you get. anything can happen to a defenseless prostitute all alone with a strange man in a car in the middle of the night. many don't even get paid for their services; and some get beaten up or even killed; after meeting the wrong customer. also there are plenty of sexually transmitted diseases; (not to mention) aids & h.i.v. It's a risky business for the prostitute and something needs to be done to change that.

if prostitution was legalised; I would imagine that it would be (18) years or higher only. I understand that a (16) year old girl can legally have sex with anybody they choose at any legal age; whether the same age or much older; male or female (whatever takes her fancy like) but I still feel that (16) is still way too young for that kind of business. also you are still in your parents care until you are (18) and I'm sure most parents would be dead-set against it anyway. I know I certainly would if it was my daughter or even my neice.

the comment you made about a (9) year old standing on a street corner selling herself for money is really disgusting and damn illegal. you couldn't even call her jail-bait; as any potential customer could easily see she is under age.

the real reason girls turn to prostitution is because of three main reasons;
1. desperation for money
2. drugs
3. mixing with the wrong crowd/meeting a pimp being the worst.

just because she has a pimp; doesn't mean that she is any safer. most pimps don't look after their girls anyway; even though they say they will and the unfortunate victim believes him. drugs/money/wrong crowd; can be three good reasons for a girl to turn to prostitution. anything which can prevent those three things from occuring can certainly lessen the amount of prostitutes walking our streets and living in danger. legalising it could help; but like you say, we'd all feel better if they didn't have to do it in the first place.

[Billy]

You know alot about the subject Nodis :wink:

[Christina]

Originally posted by northcircular
Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
I dont think prostatution should become legal.. i dont think its right but i certainly dont look down on them. Imagine how hard there life must be for anyone to go as low as prostatution? And quite frankly i pity anyone who actually takes plesure from a prostatute i think there sick. I feel so sorry for them children as younge as 9 are getting involved in prostation. I think the goverment should try to stop it and try to get anyone involved in prostatution back on their feet so they can start living a happy life. They must feel so insicure and frightened. x

you have made some very good points in that post; well done. I have to agree that prostitution is a disgusting way to make a living; many of the girls being run by pimps and not receiving much after the pimps take their large cut of their hard earned money for a job with many dangers.

imagine being a prostitute and standing on some street corner around midnight; wearing some tarty/sleazy clothing to attract a customer. suddenly a car pulls over towards you and the man winds the window down and you approach him; saying something like (fancy a good time mister?) he will reply (how much) then you say the price and if he agrees; in the car you get. anything can happen to a defenseless prostitute all alone with a strange man in a car in the middle of the night. many don't even get paid for their services; and some get beaten up or even killed; after meeting the wrong customer. also there are plenty of sexually transmitted diseases; (not to mention) aids & h.i.v. It's a risky business for the prostitute and something needs to be done to change that.

if prostitution was legalised; I would imagine that it would be (18) years or higher only. I understand that a (16) year old girl can legally have sex with anybody they choose at any legal age; whether the same age or much older; male or female (whatever takes her fancy like) but I still feel that (16) is still way too young for that kind of business. also you are still in your parents care until you are (18) and I'm sure most parents would be dead-set against it anyway. I know I certainly would if it was my daughter or even my neice.

the comment you made about a (9) year old standing on a street corner selling herself for money is really disgusting and damn illegal. you couldn't even call her jail-bait; as any potential customer could easily see she is under age.

the real reason girls turn to prostitution is because of three main reasons;
1. desperation for money
2. drugs
3. mixing with the wrong crowd/meeting a pimp being the worst.

just because she has a pimp; doesn't mean that she is any safer. most pimps don't look after their girls anyway; even though they say they will and the unfortunate victim believes him. drugs/money/wrong crowd; can be three good reasons for a girl to turn to prostitution. anything which can prevent those three things from occuring can certainly lessen the amount of prostitutes walking our streets and living in danger. legalising it could help; but like you say, we'd all feel better if they didn't have to do it in the first place. Thanks you made some veryyy good points there x

[Dr43%er]

LOL Billy.

Re the one night stand thing. I have had one night stands where We have not known each others names in the morning. It was what it was. Sex. We both wanted some fun without the pressure of a relationship. We were safe so who were we hurting?

I have also had a one night stand that ended up in a 10 year relationship. That would not have happened if it was not for the one night stand.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

Oooh, I'm getting very excited at the discovery of another Bill Hicks fan on the forum. There's always time for a Bill Hicks quote.:colour::colour:

I miss Bill:sad:

Regarding prostitution - yes, it should be legalised, to provide protection to the prostitutes. The recent trial of Steven Wright is a case in point.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
I dont think prostatution should become legal.. i dont think its right but i certainly dont look down on them. Imagine how hard there life must be for anyone to go as low as prostatution? And quite frankly i pity anyone who actually takes plesure from a prostatute i think there sick. I feel so sorry for them children as younge as 9 are getting involved in prostation. I think the goverment should try to stop it and try to get anyone involved in prostatution back on their feet so they can start living a happy life. They must feel so insicure and frightened. x

Is that not precisely why it should be legalised - so that there could be some control over it? Obviously, it wouldn't stop illegal prostitution, but it might a step in the right direction.

[Christina]

^
Then people that go to see the prostatues wont be worried atall.. they know that they cannot be prosicuted (sp.) so therefor it means they can take advantage of the girls even more. I dont see how allowing children as younge as 9 to be prostatues should be made legal. And besides its only legal for people over 16 to have sex anyway (not that they care) x

[Ruth]

I didn't mean it should be legal for children to be prostitutes. I meant that legalising prostitution could actually help stop children being exploited in this way.

And sorry, but I don't see why a man should be prosecuted for sleeping with a prostitute.

[Christina]

They shouldnt but it still dosent mean that what they are doing is right ..? x

[Ruth]

Why is it wrong?

[natjake2504]

I think it should stay illeagal purley because i dont think any women or man as men seem to be doing it more now, should degrade them selves and there bodies to it.

Just my thought!!!!!

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by bananarama

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.


Rubbish. One night stands are from two people who have just met and have a genuine interest in eachother. A prostitute just has sex with whoever because if they don't they won't get paid. People who have one night stands have a real job and yes they usually end up regretting it the next morning but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, and nobody is forcing anybody to have sex or feeling pressured into it for money.

People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst...

[Captain.Remy]

I think some people forget that most of the girls are forced to do this, they don't do it on purpose. Some girls come from the east countries and thought they were supposed to learn dancing and then they finish in the street.
Some do because they have to pay University or stuff like this, it's all common now and it could be understandable.
So I think people should be more aware about the prostitutes instead of saying "Those sluts are discusting."

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by bananarama
People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst...

Why does a one night stand mean you have no value for yourself? I don't think there is anything wrong with sex between two consenting adults.

And what is immoral about it for you to say they are 'dirty dogs with no sense of morals'? I don't understand that at all :conf:

[Dr43%er]

"People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst..."

I take offence at that statement. Why do I have no value for myself? Why is it immoral? What I am is a consenting adult doing something natural with another consenting adult. Please tell me, after how many dates would I be able to have sex in your uber moral world.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by bananarama

People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst...

I have had plenty of one night stands. Does that make me worse than a prostitute?

Did I get paid for them? No.

I value myself, and I do have morals.

Why is having sex animal behaviour? It's enjoyable, and if between 2 consenting people in the privacy of their own home, why not? Sex isn't dirty.

A prostitute gets paid for having sex. There is no emotion involved. It's a job, and a necessary one imo, although under many different circumstances that I won't go into in this post.

Please explain why a one night stand is worse than prostitution.

[Dr43%er]

On the animal behaviour. Yes it is. We are animals. It is natural to want sex. It is unnatural to put various moral rules to suite your beliefs.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
On the animal behaviour. Yes it is. We are animals. It is natural to want sex. It is unnatural to put various moral rules to suite your beliefs.

Ha, I was going to write something to that effect...

[Ruth]

I don't understand what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex. If you're not hurting anyone else, then surely it is nobody else's business?

[Sunny_01]

I suppose we all have different backgrounds and beliefs about what is right and wrong, along with all having very different life experiences.

I really am not opposed to legalising prostitution, I do think that we should do more to protect these men and women, it is kind of being implied that it is only women who do this! Yes for a lot of them circumstance places them in this situation, however some just see it as a really easy way to earn money, espcially if they really enjoy sex. I wonder if they self assess for tax purposes though? with legality comes responsibility to pay your taxes. Can you imagine the inland revenue with the forms claiming expenses for condoms etc.. would be hilarious. I only thought of this while getting my hubby stuff ready for his business end of year! god I hate doing this, it is so stressful.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Can you imagine the inland revenue with the forms claiming expenses for condoms etc.. would be hilarious. I only thought of this while getting my hubby stuff ready for his business end of year!

Why? Is he claiming for condoms? :joker:

[~Kizwiz~]

I cant understand why one night stands are worst than selling your body? Its been a while, but last time I had a one night stand it wasnt dirty and it certainly didnt make me immoral. 'Doing it' as you say was fun and exciting and most importantly enjoyable. There isnt a law against it, and so long as its between 2 consulting adults why should anyone feel ashamed or immoral. We no longer live in the dark ages and you certainly dont need to be married before you have sex without shame so where is the problem?

We arent living by victorian morals these days

[GiRTh]

I've only had one one night stand and strangely it was with the mother of my daughter.

I think one night stands are just as bad if not worse than prostitution. Theres a degree of honesty to a prostitute selling sex for money; one night stands are much less honest. In fact if the man wined and dined a girl to get her into bed then he should have gone to a prostitute in the first place, it would have worked out cheaper.

[Dr43%er]

If I have a one night stand it is always on that understanding. It is a one night stand. Sex. nothing more. If they were looking for more then it would not happen. It is all very honest. I am not saying nothing may come of it. I went out with a girl for around 10 years. It was a one night stand that brought us together.

I have a sex buddy. We know we can call at any time we want it. If the other person is single and wants it too then all is good. There is no lying or deceiving. Just to mates helping each other out. It works well.

[GiRTh]

How does the sex buddy work? I've heard of these and have always been intruiged. How did you meet and what is your understanding?

[Dr43%er]

How did we meet? In a pub. We had a one night stand. We saw each other about. Had a chat about how the one night stand was fun and we would do it again if the moment arrived. We swapped numbers. A couple of weeks later I got a phone call asking if I wanted some fun. That's how it started. There is no pressure on the other person to oblige. If I phoned and she was not in the mood then that would be fine. As it happens we are both seeing other people at the mo and neither of us would cheat. But if we are both single and enjoy what we can give each other with no promises of anything more, and we are both happy with that then what harm is there. We are mates first and formost now. But the understanding still holds.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
How did we meet? In a pub. We had a one night stand. We saw each other about. Had a chat about how the one night stand was fun and we would do it again if the moment arrived. We swapped numbers. A couple of weeks later I got a phone call asking if I wanted some fun. That's how it started. There is no pressure on the other person to oblige. If I phoned and she was not in the mood then that would be fine. As it happens we are both seeing other people at the mo and neither of us would cheat. But if we are both single and enjoy what we can give each other with no promises of anything more, and we are both happy with that then what harm is there. We are mates first and formost now. But the understanding still holds. That sounds like the kind of thing I could do with.

What are the rules? ie. Can you simply have sex and leave as soon as you put your clothes on?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
How did we meet? In a pub. We had a one night stand. We saw each other about. Had a chat about how the one night stand was fun and we would do it again if the moment arrived. We swapped numbers. A couple of weeks later I got a phone call asking if I wanted some fun. That's how it started. There is no pressure on the other person to oblige. If I phoned and she was not in the mood then that would be fine. As it happens we are both seeing other people at the mo and neither of us would cheat. But if we are both single and enjoy what we can give each other with no promises of anything more, and we are both happy with that then what harm is there. We are mates first and formost now. But the understanding still holds.

I used to have a sex buddy too..... it was a while ago.... we used to go around the same pubs etc so we used to hook up at the end of the night. No promises not fuss. But then he wanted more from me and I couldnt give it so it had to end.

I admire you Doc, if you can keep that happy medium with friend and sex buddy then I respect you because its hard to do

[Dr43%er]

If you want to. That goes for both of us. She has left straight after before.

No rules, apart from respecting the other person. If they don't want to do anything or do what the other person wants then that is fine.

I think it works better in some ways as there is no emotional attachment. Of course there is no love involved. But that is not what it is about.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I've had only one one night stand and strangely it was with the mother of my daughter.

I think one night stands are just as bad if not worse than prostitution. Theres a degree of honesty to a prostitute selling sex for money; one night stands are much less honest. In fact if the man wined and dined a girl to get her into bed then he should have gone to a prostitute in the first place, it would have worked out cheaper.

Incorrect. Not all one night stands come from that. I've had a couple and none of them were anything like that. It wasn't intentional in any way, it just sort of happened and neither of us went out purposely looking for one. Its nothing like visiting a prostitute. Its by two consenting adults. A prostitute might not want to have sex with someone who has "booked" her, but has to for the money. One night stands are based around mutual consent and nobody forcing the other into it.

Originally posted by GiRTh
How does the sex buddy work? I've heard of these and have always been intruiged. How did you meet and what is your understanding?

Just sex. No strings attached, no emotions involved, none of the couple stuff like going shopping together, staying on the phone for 6 hours etc and you don't have to feel restricted from flirting or doing anything else with other people.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom_
Incorrect. Not all one night stands come from that. I've had a couple and none of them were anything like that. It wasn't intentional in any way, it just sort of happened and neither of us went out purposely looking for one. Its nothing like visiting a prostitute. Its by two consenting adults. A prostitute might not want to have sex with someone who has "booked" her, but has to for the money. One night stands are based around mutual consent and nobody forcing the other into it.
Some women would have sex with a man simply because he showered them with gifts and nights out. Some women actually feel its their duty to give him what he's paid so much money for. Thats very much like prostitution.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
Incorrect. Not all one night stands come from that. I've had a couple and none of them were anything like that. It wasn't intentional in any way, it just sort of happened and neither of us went out purposely looking for one. Its nothing like visiting a prostitute. Its by two consenting adults. A prostitute might not want to have sex with someone who has "booked" her, but has to for the money. One night stands are based around mutual consent and nobody forcing the other into it.
Some women would have sex with a man simply because he showered them with gifts and nights out. Some women actually feel its their duty to give him what he's paid so much money for. Thats very much like prostitution.

But thats not how the majority of one night stands work.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom_
But thats not how the majority of one night stands work. I'm sure some of them work like that. I've known guys who have had one night stands after meeting a girl and spending loads of money on her.

I was simply tryng to show how 'normal' dating acts and one nights stands are not far removed from prostitution.

[Dr43%er]

"But then he wanted more from me and I couldnt give it so it had to end."

You did the right thing. It can not work if there is a hint of the other person wanting more as then it is no longer honest.

"I admire you Doc, if you can keep that happy medium with friend and sex buddy then I respect you because its hard to do "

We have not found it hard at all. I think it is because we don't really fancy each other. There is obviously a sexual attraction but nothing more. Saying that we could have a beer as mates and nothing more at any time.

[Captain.Remy]

I agree with everyone except Bananarama in this topic: why is it wrong to have sex for a night ? I really don't understand.
Sex is such a wonderful thing, feelings or not, it doesn't matter.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
But thats not how the majority of one night stands work. I'm sure some of them work like that. I've known guys who have had one night stands after meeting a girl and spending loads of money on her.

I was simply tryng to show how 'normal' dating acts and one nights stands are not far removed from prostitution.

But most, not just in my circle of friends but shown through the media, do not have all of the spending money rubbish.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom_
But most, not just in my circle of friends but shown through the media, do not have all of the spending money rubbish.
So you agree that wining and dining a woman for sex is much the same as prostitution?

[Dr43%er]

If I was wining and dining it would be because I wanted to. Not to get sex.

[Legend]

I don't "agree" with the fact one night stands are worse than prostitution. However, I don't agree it's any better.

It boils down to pretty much the same thing ... having sex with a stranger. The only difference being is that prostitutes make a living out of it rather than climbing on their high horse and then pretty much doing it themselves. Neither is done out of love ... prostitutes do it for the financial gain, people who have one night stands do it for the sexual gain.

And no, I'm not calling people who have had one night stands prostitutes, I'm just saying they don't really have a right to look down on prostitutes.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
If I was wining and dining it would be because I wanted to. Not to get sex. Me too.

But the point is would you say that some men wine and dine for sex and some women feel they have a duty to give it up if they've been wined and dined. Thats kind of like prostitution.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom_
But most, not just in my circle of friends but shown through the media, do not have all of the spending money rubbish.
So you agree that wining and dining a woman for sex is much the same as prostitution?

Maybe. It depends on a few circumstances e.g. how long they have known eachother. But that doesn't go to say that most one night stands are worse than prostitution which is what you are implying.

[GiRTh]

I think some one night stands are as bad as prostitution but I feel its an individual choice. Personally, I think some men would be better off going to a prostitute than engaging in sex with a stranger.

I also feel the relationship in many marriages is similar to prostitution. We've all seen these older balding fat guys with their trophy wives. What do we think is going on there?

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I think some one night stands are as bad as prostitution but I feel its an individual choice. Personally, I think some men would be better off going to a prostitute than engaging in sex with a stranger.

I also feel the relationship in many marriages is similar to prostitution. We've all seen these older balding fat guys with their trophy wives. What do we think is going on there?

Because they are loaded which is basically prostitution with a marriage certificate.

I agree that some one night stands are just as "low" as prostitution but I don't think the majority are.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by GiRTh
I think some one night stands are as bad as prostitution but I feel its an individual choice. Personally, I think some men would be better off going to a prostitute than engaging in sex with a stranger.

I also feel the relationship in many marriages is similar to prostitution. We've all seen these older balding fat guys with their trophy wives. What do we think is going on there?

Because they are loaded which is basically prostitution with a marriage certificate.

I agree that some one night stands are just as "low" as prostitution but I don't think the majority are. I agree with both points.

These trophy wives can never get on their high horse IMO.

I dont think the majority of one night stands are as bad but I think there is a lot of hypocricy regarding this subject. Not from you. You and others have been very frank and honest with your views - I respect that - but some people really do get on their high horse about prostitutes when at the end of the day they are indirectly paying or being paid for sex.

[Ruth]

I've never had a one night stand!! It's just not for me - but if other people want to, why should I be bothered? I had a friend I used to go out with a lot - she used to have a lot of one night stands...it didn't make me feel any differently about her as a friend at all, but I never fancied it myself.

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by bananarama

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.


Rubbish. One night stands are from two people who have just met and have a genuine interest in eachother. A prostitute just has sex with whoever because if they don't they won't get paid. People who have one night stands have a real job and yes they usually end up regretting it the next morning but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, and nobody is forcing anybody to have sex or feeling pressured into it for money.

People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst...
Dont make me laugh. Sex is great. Including casual sex. Casual sex includes one night stands. Theirs nothing at all wrong with them once their done right and safe. No value on themselves? Depends on opinion - not fact , which you seem to think you bear.

[Kate..]

I don't have anything against prostitution, if someone wants to have sex for money, so be it. It's their choice.

[Matt10k]

A one night stand can be more honest than a lot of peoples relationships in my opinion.
People who stay in bad relationships, feel trapped in a marriage, stay with violent partners, stay for other reasons such as for children or money, not that honest really…

So as long as both people know what they want and make it clear that it's no strings, I really struggle to see how there is anything wrong with it or how it is like prostitution?!

I also don't think the majority of one night stands involve wining and dining. Usually, it'll be someone you meet in a club or bar and you're usually both ‘wined’ up by that point anyway!, unless you’re lucky enough to have someone like Dr43%er, in which case you both just make sure that’s all you want.

Again, fail to see how this is prostitution. Both people do it because they ‘want’ to and there’s no ‘payment’ involved, though I do agree with the trophy wife comment. That could easily be compared to prostitution but that’s not the same as a one night stand…

[GiRTh]

To clarify, I have not said that anyone is better than any one else. I feel there are many shades of grey. I do believe there is a great deal of hypocricy regarding sex, marriage, dating etc. To me there seem to be a lot of people who do think what they do is better but when stripped down they're no better than anyone else

[Matt10k]

Usually the ones that think they are better than everyone else are the ones saying it's wrong to have one night stands. They are the ones that put themselves up on a pedestal, when there is nothing wrong with a one night stand between two consenting adults.

[Christina]

Originally posted by Ruth
I don't understand what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex. If you're not hurting anyone else, then surely it is nobody else's business? But its not for plesure isit... they are being paid and i dont think its right x

[Stu]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by Ruth
I don't understand what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex. If you're not hurting anyone else, then surely it is nobody else's business? But its not for plesure isit... they are being paid and i dont think its right x
But the point still stands that it is hurting nobody. Their is no victim if it is performed right , hence there is no crime. And legalisation would go a long way in helping it be performed right.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morpheus
But the point still stands that it is hurting nobody. Their is no victim if it is performed right , hence there is no crime. And legalisation would go a long way in helping it be performed right.

If it is performed right so I can't see the problem but by legalising it we forget all these young girls who don't want to do that and are forced so the problem remains the same.
If we legalise it then we allow, in a way, the bad prostitution buisness and all those people who make money on their girls's back, and for me it's just sick.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morpheus
But the point still stands that it is hurting nobody. Their is no victim if it is performed right , hence there is no crime. And legalisation would go a long way in helping it be performed right.

If it is performed right so I can't see the problem but by legalising it we forget all these young girls who don't want to do that and are forced so the problem remains the same.
If we legalise it then we allow, in a way, the bad prostitution buisness and all those people who make money on their girls's back, and for me it's just sick.
No girl is forced into prostituiton. And if they were , they would be forced in to something that in its present state breaks the law so I cant understand your argument.
Prostitution will always be around. Legal or not. And its the girls choice. I for one would rather she did it within a government monitored , legal industry than do it in the current setting.

Again , to quote the two words that in this case will win over any argument - personal choice.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morpheus
No girl is forced into prostituiton. And if they were , they would be forced in to something that in its present state breaks the law so I cant understand your argument.
Prostitution will always be around. Legal or not. And its the girls choice. I for one would rather she did it within a government monitored , legal industry than do it in the current setting.

Again , to quote the two words that in this case will win over any argument - personal choice.

No one is forced ? Please Stu, I don't know if you read or if you watch TV but it's well known that some girls are definately forced. Not most of the prostitutes but some are, and it's a fact.
Of course it could be a personal choice as I said in a previous post but you can't ignore the fact some are forced.
And of course it will be around, legal or not, it's the oldest profession in the History so it's not going to change.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be legalized, it's far from this but if the government does something, it should think about all those girls who don't want that.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Morpheus
No girl is forced into prostituiton. And if they were , they would be forced in to something that in its present state breaks the law so I cant understand your argument.
Prostitution will always be around. Legal or not. And its the girls choice. I for one would rather she did it within a government monitored , legal industry than do it in the current setting.

Again , to quote the two words that in this case will win over any argument - personal choice.

No one is forced ? Please Stu, I don't know if you read or if you watch TV but it's well known that some girls are definately forced. Not most of the prostitutes but some are, and it's a fact.
Of course it could be a personal choice as I said in a previous post but you can't ignore the fact some are forced.
And of course it will be around, legal or not, it's the oldest profession in the History so it's not going to change.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be legalized, it's far from this but if the government does something, it should think about all those girls who don't want that.
But if it is legalised it wont be forced! Thats the point im trying to make!The government can monitor all of this! Keep tabs on prostitution places of business! Keep it controled! Nobody will be forced!

Heck , nobody is forced to beign with! There are very few prostitutes who did not get themselves into it in the first place!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Morpheus
But if it is legalised it wont be forced! Thats the point Im trying to make!The government can monitor all of this! Keep tabs on prostitution places of business! Keep it controled! Nobody will be forced!

Heck , nobody is forced to beign with! There are very few prostitutes who did not get themselves into it in the first place!

I'm not sure because look at all those girls who come from Russia and Eastern countries mainly who thought they were going to dance in West countries....and do you see where they are now ? They have been screwed up by those sick men who think about making money.

And I understand your point now lol I thought you were ignoring the buisness I'm trying to describe.

And it should be controled, absolutely but I think we have to see how it will work and so far, our societies aren't ready to legalise it.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by Ruth
I don't understand what is wrong with two consenting adults having sex. If you're not hurting anyone else, then surely it is nobody else's business? But its not for plesure isit... they are being paid and i dont think its right x

Why isn't it right? Something needs to be done about children - or anyone for that matter - being forced into prostitution. But if a woman chooses to be a prostitute, why is it wrong? Don't get me wrong - it's not something I could personally ever do, but why is it wrong for someone else to make that choice?

[Christina]

Yeah i understand that but I dont think its something they choose to do, i think its something they feel they have to do in order to survive (if that is the case). Imagine how their lives must be to actually have to go into prostatution? It must make them feel so horrible .. i dont think it should be made legal. x

[bananarama]

It depends on what you mean by being forced. If a girl is abducted and threatened with violence then that is being forced and such abducters when convicted should have life in prison that means life.

Some argue that having to feed a drug habit forces the girls into prostitution.. According to that logic when a drug addict robs to finance the habit thay are being forced in to being burglars.

Drug addiction does not force prostitution as they have the option of seeking help to break the habit......They choose not to seek help. Prostitution is a choice they make to continue the habit.

The only sensible way to reduce either forced prostitution or drug related prostitution is to legalise it so then it can be monitored and the "forced" side of the trade reduced or eliminated...

Religious mania beliefs and the hypocritical attitudes that come with religious mania will prevent for ever from that happening in this country of politics riddled with religious hypocrites....Blair religion mania. Brown..religious upbringing......No chance of common sense ever prevailing...