Is Britain nothing more than the 51st State?

[Scarlett.]

United Kingdom
The relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom has led some British commentators to suggest that their country has become the de facto 51st state. Some have suggested that the UK should join the U.S. (such as this example), as it would thus become the wealthiest and most populous states in the Union – and therefore the most politically influential, though almost no one in the UK or the U.S. sees this as ever likely to occur. However, if it were to happen, the United Kingdom would have to discontinue its monarchy, or the United States would have to amend its constitution, in which Article IV, Section 4 begins, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government".

In cultural terms, various American television programs are becoming increasingly popular, as are films, fashion and literature. Economically, supermarkets and fast food retailers are seen as having been imported from the U.S. to the detriment of old small businesses among the elderly, but is seen as a convenience among the general populace. The film The 51st State (renamed Formula 51 for its U.S. release) explores the supposed migration of American criminality to the UK, particularly drug trafficking and gangs. Politically, the decline of the British Empire and the growth of American influence is seen by many as inextricably linked, with the loss of the UK's colonies and naval dominance being the price of American help during World War II; few believed the UK was cozying up to a new imperial power in an attempt to retain some influence in world affairs.

The presence of U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy and other military & intelligence facilities on British soil from World War II to the present day, especially the large buildup during the Cold War, is taken as clear evidence of American influence. The UK is of great importance to the U.S. Air Force, given its "strategic position" in the world.

Some critics on the political right expressed concern at the possible loss of sovereignty, and the apparent lack of reciprocity in the relationship — while the UK supported America in the Korean War, America did not support the UK during the Suez Crisis. Critics on the left were particularly exercised by Britain following America's lead in dealing with communist countries. The UK's rhetorical support for the U.S. during the Vietnam War led to some protests, although it made no official military commitments. Later, the U.S., this time under Ronald Reagan, secretly assisted the British government of Margaret Thatcher during the Falklands War against Argentina, in the process pushing the limits of the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance. (However, direct actions against Argentina would not have been in violation of the treaty as Argentina was the aggressor in the conflict. Also, the US had commitments of its own to the UK through the North Atlantic Treaty.) The UK continued to be America's strongest ally after the end of the Cold War, reestablished during the Reagan-Thatcher era and once again re-awakened by Tony Blair's strong support of George W. Bush in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, most noticeably through their relaxed friendly manner when in each other's company. The UKUSA Community was formed to counter terrorism and to share intelligence.

There is also limited discussion on the fringes of political debate in the UK of the United Kingdom pulling out of the European Union and joining the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). However, the UK would have to re-negotiate trade links with the EU, which accounts for over 60% of UK trade,[citation needed] compared to NAFTA members (15% of the UK exports and 8.7% of imports come from the largest NAFTA member, the USA). Many British commentators, however, feel that Gordon Brown, the new Prime Minister, wishes to withdraw British support for Iraq and that he would not be influenced by the U.S. as Tony Blair has been.


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[FictitiousHouse]

Perhaps we should be known as 'Britain' instead of 'Great Britain' If we become a 51st state instead of being on our own then we are hardly 'Great Britain' anymore :bored:

[usa4eva]

what happened to the "British Culture" your foriegners are spoiling, lol, you brits love us too much

[:)tom:)]

hope not!!!!!

[Dr43%er]

Why would we want to join a country with a failing economy? Whoop Yeah.

[Matt10k]

Nah. I think america is quite a lot different to the uk. People like to call us americas lapdog because blair was in bed with bush for a while.

I'd like us to move away from that whole thing now.

[usa4eva]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Nah. I think america is quite a lot different to the uk. People like to call us americas lapdog because blair was in bed with bush for a while.

I'd like us to move away from that whole thing now.

you know you still love to live in america tho, california, new york, no?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
Originally posted by Matt10k
Nah. I think america is quite a lot different to the uk. People like to call us americas lapdog because blair was in bed with bush for a while.

I'd like us to move away from that whole thing now.

you know you still love to live in america tho, california, new york, no?

I've never been to the US. All I know is what I see on tv. There are parts of the culture I like the look of and parts I don't, as with all countries.

I prefer the more laid back attitude of countries like The netherlands, belgium etc... I would like the uk to become more like these countries.

[usa4eva]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by usa4eva
Originally posted by Matt10k
Nah. I think america is quite a lot different to the uk. People like to call us americas lapdog because blair was in bed with bush for a while.

I'd like us to move away from that whole thing now.

you know you still love to live in america tho, california, new york, no?

I've never been to the US. All I know is what I see on tv. There are parts of the culture I like the look of and parts I don't, as with all countries.

I prefer the more laid back attitude of countries like The netherlands, belgium etc... I would like the uk to become more like these countries.

have you been the netherlands and belgium, ... i have, id rather live in the laid back attitude of miami in the sun

[Scarlett.]

I have to agree, I'd love to live in NY or LA although if I did I would miss Coronation Street:bigsmile:

[Matt10k]

have you been the netherlands and belgium, ... i have, id rather live in the laid back attitude of miami in the sun [/quote]

To be fair, no! But I think I'm going to go.
Like I said, never seen america either so just speculating.

If I had to say what I'd rather the uk be like I would still say the netherlands though. I think america sets a lot of bad examples.

Also I know people who have been to Miami and weren't impressed. They said it was all just a bit samey and faceless. I don't think you have as much culture and history over there.

I am also scared by your ludicrously large homocide rates, gun laws, obesity, prisons, human rights records and policy on Iraq.

Of course, the uk is guilty of many such offences also, that’s why I’d like us to be more like countries such as the Netherlands.

[Matt10k]

...On the prisons thing, I saw a documentary exploring some of america's prisons and it scared the sh*t out of me! It was all gang wars between mexicans, blacks, whites etc... Just p*ssing at the wrong toilet could get you stabbed.

[usa4eva]

Originally posted by Matt10k
...On the prisons thing, I saw a documentary exploring some of america's prisons and it scared the sh*t out of me! It was all gang wars between mexicans, blacks, whites etc... Just p*ssing at the wrong toilet could get you stabbed.

omg, i saw a documentary about prisons in finland as well, 40% of them commited suicide in one year! 80% of them have been homosexually abused and its a rising statistic.

then again northern europe does have the highest rate of suicides amongst there civilians, of all the developed world.



Originally posted by Matt10k
To be fair, no! But I think I'm going to go.
Like I said, never seen america either so just speculating.

If I had to say what I'd rather the uk be like I would still say the netherlands though. I think america sets a lot of bad examples.

Also I know people who have been to Miami and weren't impressed. They said it was all just a bit samey and faceless. I don't think you have as much culture and history over there.

I am also scared by your ludicrously large homocide rates, gun laws, obesity, prisons, human rights records and policy on Iraq.

Of course, the uk is guilty of many such offences also, that’s why I’d like us to be more like countries such as the Netherlands.



nah, i dont think so, I think Depression in the netherlands is higher than in the USA, ... they have a higher rate of drug and prostituin problem,

Do you think The Netherlands is better than the UK?

[Matt10k]

Actually the US has far bigger drug and prostitution problems than the netherlands statistically and as for depression- who can know which country is more/ less depressed?

Also- 'nothern europe'? Can you be more specific? Indian and chinese women have the highest suicide rates according to one new study:

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/04/the_worlds_high.html


Among males Lithuania has a very high suicide rate. The US isn't exatly low. It is slightly higher than the uk and other european countries:

http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/

[Matt10k]

Do you think The Netherlands is better than the UK? [/quote]

Yes.

[usa4eva]

I think what you didnt catch on is when i said developed world,

indian and chinese woman would have more of a reason to commit suicide than a woman in finland. Due to economic pressures...

then again weigh the size of the netherlands as a country compared to the USA and how much people there are in both countries.

in ratio, the netherlands due to there legalization of Cannabis, has a much higher rate of depression, and there obvious sex trade is far more 'liberising' than in the US.

so yeah, ill pull some webpages to prove it later... , but its a well known fact that northern europe has a higher suicide rate than any where else in the Developed world...

... due to the darkness, the cold e.t.c

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
I think what you didnt catch on is when i said developed world,

indian and chinese woman would have more of a reason to commit suicide than a woman in finland.

then again weigh the size of the netherlands as a country compared to the USA and how much people there are in both countries.

in ratio, the netherlands due to there legalization of Cannabis, has a much higher rate of depression, and there obvious sex trade is far more 'liberising' than in the US.

so yeah, ill pull some webpages to prove it later... , but its a well known fact that northern europe has a higher suicide rate than any where else in the Developed world...

... due to the darkness, the cold e.t.c

But that isn't true. Lithuania isn't particularly developed either. The uk has a lower suicide rate than the US (check the link I posted). In fact, most areas of nothern europe, the differance in suicide rates when compared to the US is too marginal to be significant.

Also, on the 'higher rate of depression' I'd really need to see some evidence. I'd also like to know how any statistics can ever measure depression. For a start, they only ask small sample groups- not the whole population and people don't always tell the truth on surveys and there can be many things which bias the results. It's easy to misinterpret them.

Also, I believe that the netherlands liberal attitudes to drugs and prostitution actually help to reduce the problems they cause and make them easier to control and manage unlike the US.

Finally... suicide rates aren't everything. The US has the worlds highest homocide rate of any developed country. Several orders higher than most other countries in fact, even including other countries where guns are legal such as canada. Doesn't make me feel that great about living in the US...

[usa4eva]

sorry for the late reply

to be fair, again, the population size of america is probably bigger than most blocs of europe,...

... Lithuania isnt exactly situated in an economical bloc as bad as the bloc of south east asia and south asia.

Prositiuation in the netherlands is much greater than in the UK, even when out of the ratio's each countries population size, (Note: the netherlands now actually floats on sea, thats how small the netherlands is)


the link even states that genetics of northern euopre causes more suicides than the genetics of southern europe.

- http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/179/3/194

- http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/usui/2004/00000008/00000004/art00002

if you want more evidence, ill keep them coming, boy lmao

[usa4eva]

from aneki.com......check the "more lists" to find this info....

Highest Suicide Rates in the World
Rank Country Suicides per 100,000 inhabitants per year
1 Lithuania 42.0
2 Russia 37.4
3 Belarus 35.0
4 Latvia 34.3
5 Estonia 33.2
6 Hungaryk 32.1
7 Slovenia 30.9
8 Ukraine 29.4
9 Kazakhstan 28.7
10 Finland 24.3

now you dont need evidance to compare those countries economic situations with the countries of south east asia and southern asia, do you?

[Matt10k]

You may want to check this table of drug abuse statistics worldwide. It indicates drug abuse in North America (as percentage of the population) for opiates is twice as high as the netherlands.

In the US, substance abuse as a percentage of the population is 0.6%. In the Netherlands, it is 0.3%. The united kingdom is 0.9%. Hence, The Netherlands has the lowest of the three.

For cocaine, the US abuse statistic, is 2nd only to spain at 2.8%. The uk is 2.4% and the Netherlands is 1.1% (again, much lower).

The US is also consistently higher for other serious drugs than the Netherlands and more often than not, higher than the UK also:

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/research/wdr07/WDR_2007_3.5.1_annual_prevalence.pdf

[Matt10k]

And also, this discussion is about the uk being the 51st state or wanting to be more like the US, so I made a point that I would rather the uk be like the netherlands than the US.

So I'm not sure what giving me the suicide rates for eastern block countries has to do with anything? Yes, they are higher. I already told you Lithuania was highest in an earlier post.

The reason I would rather the uk be more like the netherlands than the US is evidenced above. I would not like the uk to be like an eastern block country or the US...

[usa4eva]

funny how you acknowlegde that now...

you asked for evidance about the suicide rate, i gave it to you...

[usa4eva]

urm i dont know if it occured to you what would happen if the netherlands were as big as the US & UK (in land & population & economy), what would happen with there current policies if they were.

so if what do you think, would happen to the UK with the size in population and land difference if the UK adopted the same Canabis policies and prostitution trade policy

[usa4eva]

another thing is...


which country has a higher economy out of The Netherlands and the UK?



and The Netherlands vs the USA?




im just tryna work out what your view point on this was fabritaced out of...

the netherlands out of the UK & USA has less foreigners..?



the irony of it all is 'frustration with life', is what this topic go to, right matt?

[usa4eva]

uuhhm, ?

[Matt10k]

I gave you that evidence already remember? I'm not denying there are countries with a higher suicide rate than the US. I told you Lithuania was highest remember?

So I fail to see your point? I don't want the Uk to be like an eastern block country anyway.

I was talking about the Netherlands, it was you who brought up northern europe. You said drug abuse was worse in the Netherlands, which is not true. It is worse in the US than the Netherlands.

Also, the uk is not that much bigger than the netherlands. I think their policies could benefit the uk but neither of us know, unless these policies were actually adopted.

I think the policies of holland would work better here than US policies would, hence why I don't think we are similar enough to be called the 51st state. I think we have more in common with neighbouring european countries and I'm glad.

On prostitution... it is easier to measure prostitution in the netherlands as many register. It is harder to track the extent of the problems of prostitution in both the uk and US. Also, more prostitutes doesn't necessarily mean more problems anyway. Prostitution levels and abuse of prostitutes are two different matters.

[usa4eva]

you said you want the UK to be like the netherlands...

i said other european countries , becuase you mentioned "Belgium " AND "etc"...

you ASKED for evidence to prove that the european countries are higher in the suicide rate, I gave it to you.

right now without having the Nertherlands Drug & Prostituion policies the UK & the USA are Higher than them in the world economy.



Also, on the 'higher rate of depression' I'd really need to see some evidence


so then i gave you the highest rate of suicide... as you said no one can know the stats of depression...



The netherlands, belgium etc...


so i gave you the list of all the countries in the world, not even just the countries in europe




everyones entitled to an opinion matt, but an opinion can be fabricated from frustrated agendas.

[Matt10k]

But the uk and netherlands aren't... Suicide rates actually don't shed much light on depression as only a very small number of people actually commit suicide as opposed to those who may be depressed + I’d already given you a perfectly reputable source for suicide rates anyway, which showed how high it was in eastern block countries so I didn’t see the point in you giving me this information again?! Especially when I was comparing the US, uk and Netherlands originally.

Also, economy isn't everything to me. I already gave you my reasons for preferring countries like the Netherlands to the US i.e. I agree with many of their liberal policies, they have significantly lower drug abuse, per % of the population, much lower homicide rates and I identify more with the culture. This is my opinion, like it or leave it.

And isn't your economy failing anyway?

[usa4eva]

first of, you werent comparing them originally, you said "belgium and etc" i was the one who picked up on the netherlands.

If depression isnt a significant cause of Suicide, then I dont know how your mind works lol? or do you want evidence of statistics showing what is the highst cause of suicide amonst europeans countries (as the economoy in europe is far different from other in the world) (note: how i take other things in consideration when making opinions (trying my best not to be ignorent))

and i dont think theres any point repeating the facts of the size and population between the two countries, as you wont pick up on it

uhhm, failing and its still higher than the UK & Holland...?

You want cannabis on the streets of the UK?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
first of, you werent comparing them originally, you said "belgium and etc" i was the one who picked up on the netherlands.

If depression isnt a significant cause of Suicide, then I dont know how your mind works lol? or do you want evidence of statistics showing what is the highst cause of suicide amonst europeans countries (as the economoy in europe is far different from other in the world) (note: how i take other things in consideration when making opinions (trying my best not to be ignorent))

and i dont think theres any point repeating the facts of the size and population between the two countries, as you wont pick up on it

uhhm, failing and its still higher than the UK & Holland...?

You want cannabis on the streets of the UK?


You fail to understand my point. Suicide rates do not prove that the average person in a particular country is more depressed than the average person in a country with lower suicide rates or that more people are depressed. Only a very small proportion of depressed people actually go on to commit suicide. Understand now? Your point is especially irrelevant considering I never said I wanted the uk to be like any of the countries you mentioned in europe with higher suicide rate.

Also, I did always mean the netherlands and countries like it such as belgium. In case you haven't got that by now, I am still only talking about the netherlands and belgium so don't get too petty over the 'ect'. I simply meant the netherlands and countries similar to it such as belgium.

Also, I have taken many things into consideration and have mentioned them several times when forming my opinion that I would prefer the uk to be like the netherlands than the US. It seems you are finding this difficult to accept. Sorry, but it is my opinion and if you check some of the evidence I have given you on how the netherlands and US vary, you will see my opinion is not ignorant at all.

And cannabis is already on the streets of the uk...

[Matt10k]

(this is what I said)

"I prefer the more laid back attitude of countries like The netherlands, belgium etc... I would like the uk to become more like these countries."

See, nothing to do with any statistics, this was just my opinion that other countries are more laid back than the US. And after that, I only mentioned the netherlands! So I think you are trying to misquote me by lumping this in with the later discussion we had on suicides etc.. in which you brought nothern europe into it even though I never said I wanted the uk to be more like an eastern block country!

[usa4eva]

its my opinion as well that the Netherlands is a small country in Population, Land and Economy and cannot prove to be an example of the Drug & Prositituin problem.

If cannabis is already on the streets of the UK, would you think legalizing it fully will increase job prospects in the UK?

if so how comes Job Prospects is higher in the UK than in Netherlands

:)

[Matt10k]

I would like the uk to be more like the Netherlands. I’ve told you why and also given my opinions, as well as evidence showing that the US has higher drug abuse statistics (% OF THE POPULATION). The US also has a much higher homicide rate (% OF THE POPULATION). I don't like your lax gun laws either and many other aspects of your culture.

So just to be clear, I would prefer the uk be more like the netherlands than the US. I think it is a pretty well formed opinion. If you find it difficult to accept, this is your problem not mine.

And why the heck are you linking legalisation of cannabis to job prospects?!

[usa4eva]

all your saying is I want the uk to be like the netherlands, whats that supposed to mean? what just the drugs and the sex trade policies, or anything else...

your NOT linking cannabis with job prospects? :puzzled:

the netherlands with freeier access to all the things you say you want, has a lesser economy, which means as you said the economy doesnt matter as much to you... they have less technological advancement for medical and science than the UK and the USA. And now your telling me that Cannabis doesnt have a link to job prospects?

everyones entitled to an opinion, and everyones entitled to debating

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
all your saying is I want the uk to be like the netherlands, whats that supposed to mean? what just the drugs and the sex trade policies, or anything else...

your NOT linking cannabis with job prospects? :puzzled:

the netherlands with freeier access to all the things you say you want, has a lesser economy, which means as you said the economy doesnt matter as much to you... they have less technological advancement for medical and science than the UK and the USA. And now your telling me that Cannabis doesnt have a link to job prospects?

Oh dear... You can't just say something is lower and then blame it on something you think could be the cause. Cannabis is more widely used/ abused in the uk and US than the netherlands anyway! and these are as a % of the population so america/ uk having a larger population is factored in. So that argument falls flat!

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/research/wdr07/WDR_2007_3.5.1_annual_prevalence.pdf

Also, the Netherlands and Belgium are very advanced medically. a lot of people in the uk actually go to belgium for certain operations.

[Matt10k]

everyones entitled to an opinion, and everyones entitled to debating [/quote]

Gee, thanks. Here's me thinking you were getting annoyed just because I didn't want the uk to be like the US. Nice to know I'm allowed my opinion.

[usa4eva]

uhm the UK and the USA are higher in technology and economy.even it was per % having a small population lessens the spread of drugs. When a country is Superior in Economics, Drugs USE can CATALYSE more than in a lower country, SO if the UK & USA legalise it, AS the two countries are more superiour, legalization will cause more Devastation becuase theres more potential for devastation in higher countries.What else do you like about the netherlands apart from the Canabbis and Sex Trade?

[Matt10k]

Drugs are a choice I can choose to take or not take and I choose to not take them. I've already proved abuse is lower in the netherlands than US and you are trying to talk around it. Perhaps legalising in the US would lead to more problems- likewise, even though the uk is much smaller, it could cause more problems. It could also have more benefits and even improve things- neither of us know as this policy has not been adopted here.

I do know we are trying to get more like the netherlands in this way though as cannabis laws were relaxed a few years ago. A small amount on your person is usually just confiscated and the person carrying now only recieves a warning. This has improved things. It also helps to free up our overpopulated prison situation.

Still, I don't see cannabis as a serious problem and wonder why you choose to dwell on this and not other more serious drugs (that may I add are also more widely abused in the states than the netherlands).

Lets not talk about availability either. Drugs are probably more available in the Netherlands than any other place in the world.

The US and uk are not higher in technology than the netherlands. I used to work for the nhs and a lot of our equipment was even manufactured in the netherlands and also quite often germany. My parents also work for the nhs and I know a lot of the best scanning electron microscopes are manufactured in holland.

[usa4eva]

just coz you worked for the nhs, doesnt mean that the netherlands are more superior in technology, if they were again, there economy would be higher than ours. Its even obsurd to think that the Netherlands have higher technology than in the USA, ...

Originally posted by Matt10k
Perhaps legalising in the US would lead to more problems- likewise

why do you think that is? is it becuase of what i said about a higher economy having more of a downfall if canabis was legalised?

Cannabis causes depression, there are more people in the USA and the UK than in the netherlands, more people would feel the affects of cannabis and the depression and suidicdes it causes. Yet as I have already proved that the UK and the USA have a lower suicide rate, per %.

and what I further say and keep repeating is if you believe the netherlands is an example WHY IS IT THERE ECONOMY IS LESSER, hence there drug use policies?

if you dont believe that cannabis doesnt causes depression and it cannot lead to suicide then your just trying to talk your way out of this

[Matt10k]

Err... The netherlands suicide rate is lower than the US!!:

http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/

Also, me working for the nhs proves more than anything you have said. Most of what you say is pure speculation.

We have adopted laws similar to that of the netherlands and seen benefits.

Your policies don't work as well over here.

Also, I would feel safer in the uk/ netherlands as our homicide rate is MUCH lower (%). Also, of the three which country do you think has the most problems with organised crime, gang culture, gun crime etc... Shouldn't be too hard to figure out!

And yes cannabis can cause depression. It's more widely used in the US per person than the netherlands and the US suicide rate is higher. Maybe there is a link there, maybe it is another factor...

[usa4eva]

eer.... your 'evidance' doesnt show the %,

you dont even state the benefits you claim to be having by copying the netherlands.

The USA economy and the UKs econmoy are higher than the Netherlands, what benefits from what country?

you may feel safer from crime in certain states BECUASE AMERICA IS A BIGGER COUNTRY THAN A VIRTUAL ISLAND THE THE NETHERLANDS IS.

i just keep repeating my self...

America has a far more liberal minded culture (DESPITE THE DIVERSE STATES), there is far more less racism (take note), far less technological advancement, and far less suicide rate per %, far more athletical (do you want stats on the olympics)

would you think cannabis would improve the economy of the USA and the UK, so much so as like the netherlands

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
eer.... your 'evidance' doesnt show the %,

you dont even state the benefits you claim to be having by copying the netherlands.

The USA economy and the UKs econmoy are higher than the Netherlands, what benefits from what country?

you may feel safer from crime in certain states BECUASE AMERICA IS A BIGGER COUNTRY THAN A VIRTUAL ISLAND THE THE NETHERLANDS IS.

i just keep repeating my self...

America has a far more liberal minded culture (DESPITE THE DIVERSE STATES), there is far more less racism (take note), far less technological advancement, and far less suicide rate per %, far more athletical (do you want stats on the olympics)


Try "READING" all of the information, where it explains these are statistics per 100,000 of the population (standard measurement). The Netherlands suicide rate is 19.3 (combined) per 100,000, US is 21.7, UK is 15.2. So the US is the HIGHEST! :rolleyes:

I did give you benefits, you just haven't listened. Less people sent to prison for small amounts of cannabis caused by relaxing the laws on possesion frees up our over crowded prison system.

And yes, I would feel safer in the UK or netherlands as proven by our much lower homicide rates as a percentage and the fact handguns are illegal. Your 'island' comment is irrelevant.

Suicide rate is higher in the US. The link I posted is from 'WHO' (World Health Organisation) and the authority on statistics such as these. Also, your 'liberal' comment is opinion. I believe the netherlands is more liberal than the US.

Evidence shows your arguments are false so you are just wasting my time...

[usa4eva]

The netherlands, belgium and ETC (some of the region) are higher in the suicde rate in the world... some how you escaped that.

you said belgium and ETC so dont tell me im getting petty over it.

what you keep escapeing also is that results THE US HAVE COMPARED TO HOLLAND.

WHO HAS THE HIGHER ECONOMY OUT OF HOLLAND AND THE USA??

WERE ARE HOLLANDS RESULTS THERE?

[usa4eva]

if you took the regions bloc around Holland to MAKE IT UP AS MUCH AS THE USA, IN ECONOMY AND LAND AND POPULATION


THERE POLICIES OF ECONOMY AND CULTURE... ARE INFERIOR THE TO USA

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by usa4eva
if you took the regions bloc around Holland to MAKE IT UP AS MUCH AS THE USA, IN ECONOMY AND LAND AND POPULATION


THERE POLICIES OF ECONOMY AND CULTURE... ARE INFERIOR THE TO USA

How about literacy :joker:

Lol, either take my evidence or leave it!

[usa4eva]

When you say you want it to be more like "The netherlands, Belgium etc" you didnt state what all those countries such as belgium, holland and etc have in common, apart from the fact that they all have less foriegners.

is that what you meant you want your country to be like ... like holland, belguum and etc (similar countries)

you know like those countries who have the highest suicide rate in the world?

[usa4eva]

you provided nothing but speculation, what evidance?

you dont provide anything of what holland, belgium etc can benefit the UK?

[Matt10k]

Ok, I'll make it really simple then. I prefer the Netherlands to the US. I don't want the UK to be more like the US.

Also, you were wrong about suicide rates and drug abuse and the evidence is in the links I have given.

:xyxwave:

[usa4eva]

lmao

Spell out which top countries have the high suicide rate in the world??

you can choose not to believe it all you want

[Tom]

For those who haven't been to America and have only seen what its like on TV, its good but nothing to write home about. Its not as good as its made out to be and I still prefer places like Spain and Portugal.

[usa4eva]

and by the look in your face i think my assumption of "people have more fun in london (more foriengers) than in sheffield" seems to be more truer


etc. USA > UK > HOLLAND > LITHUINIA

[Tom]

Originally posted by usa4eva
and by the look in your face i think my assumption of "people have more fun in london (more foriengers) than in sheffield" seems to be more truer

Thats out of order and uncalled for. This forum is serious debates, not 'lets win an argument through making personal digs'.

[Matt10k]

Thanks Tom :thumbs:

This member is just getting petty now *ignores* :bigsmile:

[usa4eva]

awww how cute "Thanks Tom", I need some one to back me up now


you havent provided nothing but speculation and opinions, with false facts.

calling me petty with speculative facts i just low

[usa4eva]

and i only said that comment below is becuase thats what I believed to be your intention of your opinion, becuase its so transparent, mainly becuase you havent SAID WHAT ALL THE COUNTRIES LIKE THE NETHERLANDS, AND BELGIUM AND ETC, ARE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THEM

soo.. i think i was right

[Shaun]

I think the USA is our closest ally for a number of obvious reasons, and to be honest, without that strong relationship we'd be in a much less politically stable environment. I don't think, however, that we're played like pawns by the US, and it's just a symbol of our political strengths that we agree on almost everything :tongue:

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by usa4eva
awww how cute "Thanks Tom", I need some one to back me up now

Obnoxious much? You had just tried insulting him admitted it was incredibly lame on your part. . I always say the one who resorts to petty insults first must have lost the argument. Sorry


Originally posted by usa4eva
Its even obsurd to think that the Netherlands have higher technology than in the USA, ...

OMG how absurd! America is No1 at everything right?


Originally posted by usa4eva
and i only said that comment below is becuase thats what I believed to be your intention of your opinion, becuase its so transparent, mainly becuase you havent SAID WHAT ALL THE COUNTRIES LIKE THE NETHERLANDS, AND BELGIUM AND ETC, ARE WHAT YOU WANT FROM THEM

soo.. i think i was right

Do you actually have any idea what you mean half the time because I have no clue! Yeah your spelling grammar and general literacy really is THAT bad! And for the record you were wrong. US DOES have higher rates of drug abuse on nearly everything and a slightly higher suicide rate and the fact the population is higher isnt important as the stats are per 100,000 people but you seem to have difficulty understanding this


Originally posted by usa4eva
you havent provided nothing but speculation and opinions, with false facts.

calling me petty with speculative facts i just low

No you are petty for far more reasons than that :sad: and whos speculating again? Just because matt accused you of speculating. I noticed you refused to accept all evidence given to you. Tell me are you just arguing for the sake of it? You seem like one of those Americans that just want to think america is the best no matter what and will attack anyone that has another opinion. Sort of the problem with the US in general isnt it?


Originally posted by usa4eva
and by the look in your face i think my assumption of "people have more fun in london (more foriengers) than in sheffield" seems to be more truer


etc. USA > UK > HOLLAND > LITHUINIA

Yeah you don’t speculate and arent petty at all right? :rolleyes: lol


Anyways back on to the topic this idiot ruined Id say the UK is not the 51st state. As a person thats lived in both Id say they are to different to compare

[usa4eva]

I genuinly cannot believe you followed 3 pages to make a remark, geeez you must hate the fact Cannabis is illegal

:)


Bottom line of my argument (which he seems to be against)

he wants policies that holland, belgium and etc have?

he NEVER stated what those policies THOSE countries have that he wants.

after that he speculated that the UK would be a better place if Cannabis & Prostitution was legalised in the UK... i was getting at the fact that our economies would fall as low as THE NETHERLANDS



... or are you now gonna critisize the social atmosphere on this debate, or maybe grammer, or maybe something , oooo knows..

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by usa4eva
I genuinly cannot believe you followed 3 pages to make a remark, geeez you must hate the fact Cannabis is illegal

:)


Bottom line of my argument (which he seems to be against)

he wants policies that holland, belgium and etc have?

he NEVER stated what those policies THOSE countries have that he wants.

after that he speculated that the UK would be a better place if Cannabis & Prostitution was legalised in the UK... i was getting at the fact that our economies would fall as low as THE NETHERLANDS



... or are you now going to critisize the social atmosphere on this debate, or maybe grammer, or maybe something , oooo knows..


:puzzled: what has following this discussion got to do with hating cannabis being illegal or otherwise? You jump to a lot of stupid conclusions. And I think you really need to work on your communication skills because theres a way of saying things and you just came off looking silly trying to insult people. Oh and your grammar is pretty awful sometimes since you mentioned it. It can be pretty difficult to understand you at times. On topic Id say im not surprised he or anyone in the UK would rather be like Holland than the US; who wants to be like the US these days seriously? Also how did you come to the conclusion that legalising cannabis and prostitution was the reason behind hollands lower economy? If you look up there GDP per capita its actually level with the US and UK and I find this more accurate prediction of standard of life there than economy

[usa4eva]

Bottom line of my argument (which he seems to be against)

he wants policies that holland, belgium and etc have?

he NEVER stated what those policies THOSE countries have that he wants.

after that he speculated that the UK would be a better place if Cannabis & Prostitution was legalised in the UK... i was getting at the fact that our economies would fall as low as THE NETHERLANDS

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by usa4eva
Bottom line of my argument (which he seems to be against)

he wants policies that holland, belgium and etc have?

he NEVER stated what those policies THOSE countries have that he wants.

after that he speculated that the UK would be a better place if Cannabis & Prostitution was legalised in the UK... i was getting at the fact that our economies would fall as low as THE NETHERLANDS


I dont just judge whether a country is worth living in or not based on its economy. Did you know Ireland consistently tops life satisfaction surveys and that is a far smaller economy than the US? Also Netherlands economy might be lower but its GDP per capita is the same and this is more important. And you are kinda just repeating yourself over and over and not really listening. Im starting to think you arent worth bothering with

[usa4eva]

Bottom line of my argument (which he seems to be against)

he wants policies that holland, belgium and etc have?

he NEVER stated what those policies THOSE countries have that he wants.

after that he speculated that the UK would be a better place if Cannabis & Prostitution was legalised in the UK... i was getting at the fact that our economies would fall as low as THE NETHERLANDS




HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


HASSSSSSSNNT

STTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAATTTEEEEDD

WHAT

HE

LIKES

ABOUT THOSE COUNTRIES


POLICIES


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





FFSS!! GOD THE BRITISH ARE THE MOST SADDEST DEPRESSED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

IS THERE ANY WONDER WHY SO MUCH PEOPLE IMMIGRATED TO AMERICA


GOD END OF, I HAVE NO MORE TIME FOR THIS ITS SOO BORING

I JUST KEEP REPEATING MY SELF


HAVE A GOOD TIME LIVING IN SUCH A DEPRESSED AREA OF THE WORLD




WERE THE SUICIDE RATE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HIGH!



END OF YOUR , YOUR BORING AS HELL

[usa4eva]

this is all stemmed from the utter BULLSHIT, that you would want to live in the most boringest place in the WORLD, BELGIUM & HOLLAND


SO YOU WOULD HAVE MORE FUN IN BELGIUM, HOLLAND OR LITHUANA THAN YOU WOULD IN...

IN LA, NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA???????????????????????




THE TRUE ANSWER IS YES, BUT THE REASON YOU BAD MOUTH AMERICA IS BECUASE YOU DONT LIKE THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE MORE EQUAL THERE

[Abraxas]

I think Im just going to laugh; :joker:

[usa4eva]

yeahs and id rather live in rotterdahm and lithuania, maybe belgium instead of LA, New York, Texas, California, Miami

oh, the fun im missing out on living here in the USA

[Shaun]

I don't see anything wrong with Belgium and Holland, apart from the former's politics [with the EU]. :conf2:

[Verloren]

I’d like to pick you up on a couple of points usa4eva:

Suicide rates are actually higher in the US than here in the UK. People think the reason for this is the availability of guns and that shooting is a common method of suicide in the States because it is “easy“.

Another thing: China is set to become the worlds largest economy, will this mean it will suddenly become the best place to live? I think judging countries purely on statistical information to come up with which is “best” is very one dimensional. One size certainly does not fit all.

Overall it’s probably best not to judge a country too much until you have actually lived there for a significant amount of time and that even still this only reflects your own personal tastes and may not apply to everyone. What is boring and what is not is subjective.

I’d also disagree that the US is any more accepting of black people. Racism against blacks in the UK is low, however it is higher towards muslims and immigrants (I believe) but I also think it is the same in the US between Mexicans and other immigrants and these suffer racism in a similar way.

Now to answer the original question, do I think the UK is the 51st state? I’d say we share one or two similarities, we both had a similar view towards Iraq and are often allies during conflicts and of course, we have the same language. Other than that, I don’t think we have much else in common so I don’t think the UK is the 51st state.

[JeanP!]

I love the U.S

I've been to Florida, NY, LA and Houston

[nicanadian]

America is beautiful, too bad Americans (USA) suck!

[BB_Eye]

This poster is hilarious.

If I remember correctly, Holland and Belgium have a higher GDP per capita than the UK. More wealth per head = better quality of life.

And just lol @ the idea of an American calling the Brits depressed. The States is the birthplace of self-help groups and antidepressants. Hardly a nation of happy bunnies.

[lostalex]

Nah. I think america is quite a lot different to the uk. People like to call us americas lapdog because blair was in bed with bush for a while.

I'd like us to move away from that whole thing now.

I don't think it was just Blair... i think it started long before that.

Churchill coming to the US on his knees begging the US to save Britain from the Nazi's is a more likely beginning to this story...

Then after the war, once again, Britain, crawling to the US begging for money for reconstruction cash after war...

Then, the Soviets taking over half of Europe, once again Britain came calling for America to have a stronger presence in europe, to keep the Soviets at bay...


i think this kind of subservient, begging relationship was formed over many decades...

We love our humble Brit cousins, so we happily obliged.

[Angus]

I don't think it was just Blair... i think it started long before that.

Churchill coming to the US on his knees begging the US to save Britain from the Nazi's is a more likely beginning to this story...

Then after the war, once again, Britain, crawling to the US begging for money for reconstruction cash after war...

Then, the Soviets taking over half of Europe, once again Britain came calling for America to have a stronger presence in europe, to keep the Soviets at bay...


i think this kind of subservient, begging relationship was formed over many decades...

We love our humble Brit cousins, so we happily obliged.

Just goes to show how much the yanks drag their feet in doing anything constructive or helpful unless there's something in it for them - altruism is not in their vocabulary as evidenced by the fact that they have to be "BEGGED" to do the decent thing rather than stepping in of their own accord. No such reticence when there's oil or other valuable resources to plunder though, eh?

[lostalex]

Just goes to show how much the yanks drag their feet in doing anything constructive or helpful unless there's something in it for them - altruism is not in their vocabulary as evidenced by the fact that they have to be "BEGGED" to do the decent thing rather than stepping in of their own accord. No such reticence when there's oil or other valuable resources to plunder though, eh?

Oh what a horrible thing, the American government doing what's best for Americans. How DARE they! You'd think they were elected to look out for their own people or something!

How DARE the Americans do what's best for Americans. What horrible people!

[Omah]

Just goes to show how much the yanks drag their feet in doing anything constructive or helpful unless there's something in it for them - altruism is not in their vocabulary as evidenced by the fact that they have to be "BEGGED" to do the decent thing rather than stepping in of their own accord. No such reticence when there's oil or other valuable resources to plunder though, eh?

Yeah, enter wars late, refuse to take advice from the more experienced, spend massively, lose troops and material needlessly, make enormous profits on replacement weaponry, bring the glory (and the plunder) home - 20th century USA ..... :eek:

[Angus]

Oh what a horrible thing, the American government doing what's best for Americans. How DARE they! You'd think they were elected to look out for their own people or something!

How DARE the Americans do what's best for Americans. What horrible people!

You said it!

[lostalex]

Yes shame on us. The most prosperous and powerful nation in the history of the world. We're obviously doing something wrong. lol

[Omah]

Yes shame on us. The most prosperous and powerful nation in the history of the world. We're obviously doing something wrong. lol

Well, some of your citizens are :

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The U.S. incarceration rate on June 30, 2009 was 748 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75%. The USA also has the highest total documented prison and jail population in the world.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 7,225,800 people at yearend 2009 were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population, or 1 in every 32 adults.

As of June 2009[update], 2,297,400 were incarcerated in U.S. prisons and jails. In addition, there were 92,854 held in juvenile facilities as of the 2006 Census of Juveniles in Residential Placement (CJRP), conducted by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prison

[lostalex]

Well, some of your citizens are :



:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prison

don't do the crime if you can't do the time. (you know how us American's love our cliches ;) )

You know what's funny about that, it turns out, the counties with the highest prison populations, also have the lowest crime in America.

Funny how that works out. Putting criminals in prison reduces crime, who would have thought? lol

[Omah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Ira M. Leonard has calculated that during the 20th century, more Americans were murdered by fellow Americans than soldiers died on active duty during the First World War, Second World War, Korean War and the Vietnam War combined.

:eek:

[lostalex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States



:eek:


now break those statistics down by race, and it gets even more disturbing. :(

Stop the black on black crime!

[Omah]

don't do the crime if you can't do the time. (you know how us American's love our cliches ;) )

You know what's funny about that, it turns out, the counties with the highest prison populations, also have the lowest crime in America.

Funny how that works out. Putting criminals in prison reduces crime, who would have thought? lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Geography_of_crime

Location has a very significant impact on crime in the United States. While some responding jurisdictions are nearly free of serious crime, others are plagued by some of the highest serious crime rates in the industrialized world. The homicide rate exemplifies the stark differences between communities.

I'll guess that the "stark difference" is between 'rich white' and 'poor black' .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prison

The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population.

[BB_Eye]

Yes shame on us. The most prosperous and powerful nation in the history of the world. We're obviously doing something wrong. lolEnjoy it while it lasts. It won't be long before you guys are licking China's arse. Oh wait, you already are. :joker:

Britain ruled over one quarter of the earth's dry land for 200 years under the world's wealthiest empire and created the legal systems of countless countries from the South Pacific, to sub-saharan Africa which still stand today. Compared to that, your legacy will pale into insignificance in a matter of decades.

[MTVN]

Yes shame on us. The most prosperous and powerful nation in the history of the world. We're obviously doing something wrong. lol

Most powerful nation in the history of the world? I think not, you're not even close

[Omah]

Enjoy it while it lasts. It won't be long before you guys are licking China's arse. Oh wait, you already are. :joker:

Britain ruled over one quarter of the earth's dry land for 200 years under the world's wealthiest empire and created the legal systems of countless countries from the South Pacific, to sub-saharan Africa which still stand today. Compared to that, your legacy will pale into insignificance in a matter of decades.

http://vivian-folkenflik.org/VRF%20Sources/British_Empire_1897.jpg

Rule Britannia ..... :thumbs:

[lostalex]

Most powerful nation in the history of the world? I think not, you're not even close


it's a fact. google it.

[lostalex]

< GIGANTIC F-ING MAP >

Rule Britannia ..... :thumbs:


hmmmm, the biggest red spots on that map seem to be Canada (mostly frigid uninhabitable tundra) and Australia (mostly arid uninhabitable desert).

Not impressed.

[MTVN]

it's a fact. google it.

So the USA is more powerful than the Roman Empire was is it? Or the British Empire?

It may be the most powerful country at the moment - though not for much longer - but not of all time, nowhere near

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i love that show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/08/02/brittasempire_3_396x222.jpg

:hugesmile:

[lostalex]

So the USA is more powerful than the Roman Empire was is it? Or the British Empire?

It may be the most powerful country at the moment - though not for much longer - but not of all time, nowhere near

umm, yes, do you honestly believe the Roman army with it's catapults and 2 ton suits of armor could compare to the USA and it's army of 500 arial Predator drones. The USA could defeat Rome without even leaving the North American continent.

...and the British empire? we could destroy the entire colonial british navy with just 2 nuclear subs.

Get real.

Name a historical power that was more powerful than the current US military. You can't.

I havn't even had to mention atomic weapons yet. lol

[MTVN]

umm, yes, do you honestly believe the Roman army with it's catapults and 2 ton suits of armor could compare to the USA and it's army of 500 arial Predator drones. The USA could defeat Rome without even leaving the North American continent.

...and the British empire? we could destroy the entire colonial british navy with just 2 nuclear subs.

Get real.

Oh Christ, you are not more powerful because you have improved technology, of course weapons have become more devastating over time, that's inevitable, but that's not the point. It's an argument that is completely flawed.

Power is a very loose term, but it's generally taken to mean the extent of a countrys influence over the world. With Britain controlling a quarter of the world and leaving a huge imprint on history, they were a far more powerful influence in the world than todays USA is. I could go on but it would just be pointless considering your just being motivated by your blind patriotism here

[lostalex]

okay, now i'm confused.

i thought we were talking about the most powerful country in the history of the world...

what are you talking about?

you've lost me.

[Patrick]

I think this member just shows you all why I'm not America's biggest fan.
Up their own arses to be frank.


I'm going to talk to myself just like Tina Malone did back in CBB6:

Down Blow, Don't Kick Off.. 'Cause if you do, You'll kick off more than anybody else, Okay, Keep quiet and Shut your mouth! Okay, I will.

[MTVN]

okay, now i'm confused.

i thought we were talking about the most powerful country in the history of the world...

what are you talking about?

you've lost me.

Yes we are, and that is not measured simply by how devastating your weaponry is. Just because the British Empire did not have the techonology to produce a nuke doesnt suddenly mean the US holds more power than they ever did.

[lostalex]

Power is a very loose term, but it's generally taken to mean the extent of a countrys influence over the world. With Britain controlling a quarter of the world and leaving a huge imprint on history, they were a far more powerful influence in the world than todays USA is. I could go on but it would just be pointless considering your just being motivated by your blind patriotism here


I'
m sorry but yur just wrong. I know britain likes to claim America's success for it's own, but America is successful DESPITE Britain, not because of it. Are the other british colonies as successful as USA? why isn't canada or australia the post prosperous and powerful country on earth? America's very first enemy was Britain, we fought against you, and rebelled against you, we have made ourselves on our own terms, Britain gets no credit for it.

Britain also likes to claim some responsibility for English being the global language, sorry, that's cause of the USA. USA is the biggest economy in the world, that's why english is the global language, not cause of Britain. If you want to have an international business you learn english so you can talk to American companies.

Stop tryna steal credit for America's accomplishments plz.

[lostalex]

Yes we are, and that is not measured simply by how devastating your weaponry is. Just because the British Empire did not have the techonology to produce a nuke doesnt suddenly mean the US holds more power than they ever did.


Yes, actually it does mean that. It means that we are more powerful than you ever were.

[MTVN]

I'
m sorry but yur just wrong. I know britain likes to claim America's success for it's own, but America is successful DESPITE Britain, not because of it. Are the other british colonies as successful as USA? why isn't canada or australia the post prosperous and powerful country on earth? America's very first enemy was Britain, we fought against you, and rebelled against you, we have made ourselves on our own terms, Britain gets no credit for it.

Britain also likes to claim some responsibility for English being the global language, sorry, that's cause of the USA. USA is the biggest economy in the world, that's why english is the global language, not cause of Britain. If you want to have an international you learn english so you can talk to American companies.

Stop tryna steal credit for America's accomplishments plz.

What are you talking about? I never said we were to thank for your success.

[MTVN]

Yes, actually it does mean that. It means that we are more powerful than you ever were.

No. You. Are. Not.

Look at the huge imprint Britain left on the world, look at your justice system, your parliamentery system etc. Britain's Army wasnt the biggest, it wasnt especially necessary and was seen as somewhat "Unbritish" to have a huge Army, but it was a highly skilled one. And in spite of that Britain's had complete Naval dominance, no other country came close to achieveing a navy on the same scale with perhaps the exception of Germany in the run up to WWI. Britain controlled a quarter of the world for God's sake and they were essentially unmatched economically and industrially.

To dismiss all of that because the US now has the capabilities to produce better weaponry is just ridiculous I'm afraid. By your logic any country in the world today is more powerful than the British Empire was. Stop being guided purely by your blind patriotism and look at something objectively for a change

[Omah]

hmmmm, the biggest red spots on that map seem to be Canada (mostly frigid uninhabitable tundra) and Australia (mostly arid uninhabitable desert).

Not impressed.

Until the 18th century, India was the only supplier of diamonds in the world. Diamonds were discovered in Africa in the early 19th century and subsequently became the largest producer worldwide, relying on Zaire for industrial diamonds and South Africa for gem quality diamonds. Since the early 80's, Australia has been producing the most diamonds worldwide.

Surpeise, surprise - they're red spots, too ..... :joker:

[MTVN]

Surpeise, surprise - they're red spots, too ..... :joker:

Yes, India especially was of huge economic importance

[Omah]

I'
m sorry but yur just wrong. I know britain likes to claim America's success for it's own, but America is successful DESPITE Britain, not because of it. Are the other british colonies as successful as USA? why isn't canada or australia the post prosperous and powerful country on earth? America's very first enemy was Britain, we fought against you, and rebelled against you, we have made ourselves on our own terms, Britain gets no credit for it.

Britain also likes to claim some responsibility for English being the global language, sorry, that's cause of the USA. USA is the biggest economy in the world, that's why english is the global language, not cause of Britain. If you want to have an international business you learn english so you can talk to American companies.

Stop tryna steal credit for America's accomplishments plz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

The British Empire comprised the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom. It originated with the overseas colonies and trading posts established by England in the late 16th and early 17th centuries. At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922 the British Empire held sway over about 458 million people, one-quarter of the world's population at the time, and covered more than 13 million square miles (34 million km2), almost a quarter of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its political, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was often said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire" because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous territories.

By comparison, the USA is very small beer ..... :joker:

[Angus]

I'
m sorry but yur just wrong. I know britain likes to claim America's success for it's own, but America is successful DESPITE Britain, not because of it. Are the other british colonies as successful as USA? why isn't canada or australia the post prosperous and powerful country on earth? America's very first enemy was Britain, we fought against you, and rebelled against you, we have made ourselves on our own terms, Britain gets no credit for it.

Britain also likes to claim some responsibility for English being the global language, sorry, that's cause of the USA. USA is the biggest economy in the world, that's why english is the global language, not cause of Britain. If you want to have an international business you learn english so you can talk to American companies.

Stop tryna steal credit for America's accomplishments plz.


:joker: The boot is on the other foot in actual fact. Watch any movie and see how America airbrushes and/or blatantly alters the facts to portray itself as the inventor/saviour/hero of the moment. What can you expect of a country without any significant history of their own, other than the decimation of the native indians, the perpetuation of slavery, and a current propensity for sticking their nose in, uninvited usually, to the affairs of countries which offer the best resources for them to plunder.

Americans have always been envious of Britain's rich, vibrant history and traditions, to the extent that the saddoes are now even claiming they are responsible for the fact that ENGLISH is the global language. Such deluded misplaced arrogance is precisely why the Americans are also the most hated nation on earth, and Blair's alliance with the cerebrally challenged, corrupt Bush, is what caused Britain to be placed firmly in the terrorists' firing line - we're the fall guys thanks to the USA.

But every dog has its day, and America is no different - I don't see it doing much sabre rattling against those it perceives as every bit as powerful. Like the typical bully it reserves its power to crush those weaker than itself, but backs off from real confrontation with the big boys.

[Livia]

I've spent a lot of time in the USA. I would never want to live there permanently. I find people generally much less worldly-wise than the rest of the world. Most Americans have no idea at all what's happening in the rest of the world, and very few of them ever venture out of their own country. Their biggest achievements are as a direct result of expertise and knowledge from other countries, which is fine... but Americans have a big problem giving anyone else any credit.

There is no "special relationship", there never was. Americans make a big deal about "saving our asses in WW2" when in actuality they turned up only after Japan threatened them, they were three years late and they charged us for their participation. They charged us A LOT and the debt was only finally paid off four years ago.

British people would never allow this country to become the 51st State because, even though we quite like Americans, most of us generally find them hopelessly ill-informed, terribly uncultured and little bit silly. There are exceptions of course.

[Angus]

Yep, I lived and worked in the States for a while years ago, and was at first amused, then irritated, by the insularity and general global ignorance displayed by your average American who had clearly been brainwashed by their own hype to believe they are God's Gift to the world. Really you have to feel sorry for them.:pat:

[flemin]

I wish the UK'd stop licking America's toe nail and focus on our own interests. They're a very bad influence on us :)

[letmein]

America's culture is now Britain's culture. Sad, but true. It seems as if everyone wants to move to America. Brits are no longer proud to be British. The culture is in the toilet. It's been overtaken by chavs, who show the "Westside" salute, never realizing where that hand gesture actually originates from. Everyone thinks America is like "Friends". It's not. I liked Britain when it didn't like America. Britain doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to America. It has the same amount of stupid people, and fat people. Britain is now the fattest country in Europe. It's horrifying. Globalization has really f-ed everything up.:nono:

[lostalex]

To dismiss all of that because the US now has the capabilities to produce better weaponry is just ridiculous I'm afraid. By your logic any country in the world today is more powerful than the British Empire was. Stop being guided purely by your blind patriotism and look at something objectively for a change

You've just proven me right. You are arguing against your own point of view. You've just said britain was most powerful simply because it had the best Naval technology of the time.

There was nothing else superior about britain at the time, simply that you had the best ships featuring the best weaponry in the most places at that time in history.

[lostalex]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire



By comparison, the USA is very small beer ..... :joker:


Yes well that's the difference between the USA and britain isn't it. TheUSA has become rich and powerful on it's own, while britain had to for an "empire" (colonialism/genocide) to aquire it's power.

The USA is not an empire. We've accomplished our dominance from our own shores. Not by spreading disease, war, and slavery, like the European empires of the past.

[lostalex]

[/B]


:joker: The boot is on the other foot in actual fact. Watch any movie and see how America airbrushes and/or blatantly alters the facts to portray itself as the inventor/saviour/hero of the moment. What can you expect of a country without any significant history of their own, other than the decimation of the native indians, the perpetuation of slavery, and a current propensity for sticking their nose in, uninvited usually, to the affairs of countries which offer the best resources for them to plunder.


You must be joking right??? That's EXACTLY what EUROPE did to not only North America, but also south america, asia, africa, and oceania. EVERY CONTINENT. You cannot be serious.

What the ******* are they teaching in british schools???

It was EUROPEAN COLONIALISM that brought genocide to the native americans, it was EUROPEANS that CREATED the slave trade, it was the EUROPEANS that conquered and plundered natural reasources from all other continents. WTF are you on about???

Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant. You MUST be joking t say it was USA that did these things. USA didn't even EXIST YET when YOU created these things.

[lostalex]

I've spent a lot of time in the USA. I would never want to live there permanently. I find people generally much less worldly-wise than the rest of the world. Most Americans have no idea at all what's happening in the rest of the world, and very few of them ever venture out of their own country. Their biggest achievements are as a direct result of expertise and knowledge from other countries, which is fine... but Americans have a big problem giving anyone else any credit.

There is no "special relationship", there never was. Americans make a big deal about "saving our asses in WW2" when in actuality they turned up only after Japan threatened them, they were three years late and they charged us for their participation. They charged us A LOT and the debt was only finally paid off four years ago.

British people would never allow this country to become the 51st State because, even though we quite like Americans, most of us generally find them hopelessly ill-informed, terribly uncultured and little bit silly. There are exceptions of course.


I think you'll find most british are just as uninformed as most americans about the rest of the world.

If you want to find out, tomorrow, ask everyone you see who the leader of China is. I bet they won't even know if they have a president, premier or prime minister.

Or to make it even easier, ask everyone you know tomorrow who is the PM of Canada. I bet they won't even know that.

How many Brits do you think can answer those questions?? but Brits are sooo worldly wise?? lol.

Sorry, but i've seen Jeremy Kyle show, Brits are just as ignorant and insular as Americans.

Just because Brits know more about America than Americans know about Britain doesn't mean Brits are more worldly. It just means you watch a lot of American TV.

The average Brit knows just as little about Uganda or Vanuatu or even Croatia, as the average American. Which is basically nothing.

[BBfan46]

Well we might be able to bring down their apalling homicide rate.

[lostalex]

Well we might be able to bring down their apalling homicide rate.


Interesting fact, the Uk has a higher violent crime rate per capita than the US.

Are you less likely to get shot in the UK? yes. But you're much more likely to get stabbed or beaten. hmmmm. lol

[Novo]

Yep, I lived and worked in the States for a while years ago, and was at first amused, then irritated, by the insularity and general global ignorance displayed by your average American who had clearly been brainwashed by their own hype to believe they are God's Gift to the world. Really you have to feel sorry for them.:pat:

:thumbs:

They are the Joke of the world.

[lostalex]

:thumbs:

They are the Joke of the world.


but that's beauty of it isn't it? Because the US doesn't care about the rest of the world, the joke is really on those laughing at it. :)

You can't humiliate someone if they don't even know you exist. lol

It's like an ant laughing at a bulldozer.

But as an American, I feel some need to speak for my country, and as ambassador for my country on TiBB, let me say, we respect you, and your cultures, and we wish only to spread peace and love to the entire world. :)

LMAO

[MTVN]

Interesting fact, the Uk has a higher violent crime rate per capita than the US.

Are you less likely to get shot in the UK? yes. But you're much more likely to get stabbed or beaten. hmmmm. lol

The US has a higher murder rate per capita than the UK does

[MTVN]

You've just proven me right. You are arguing against your own point of view. You've just said britain was most powerful simply because it had the best Naval technology of the time.

There was nothing else superior about britain at the time, simply that you had the best ships featuring the best weaponry in the most places at that time in history.

No I wasnt saying it was because Britain had the best technology, I was saying it was because they had complete naval dominance, that was only one factor anyway

Each country can only be looked at in the context of it's time period and their capabilities and technology available in that said period.

[lostalex]

The US has a higher murder rate per capita than the UK does

compare murder rates between just white populations... not so much.

The UK is 85% white, the US is only 55% white.

non-white populations always have higher murder rates, not just in the US, but every country with significant non-white populations.

I have no idea how to explain why non-white populations are more violent, but it certainly is the case.

[flemin]

You must be joking right??? That's EXACTLY what EUROPE did to not only North America, but also south america, asia, africa, and oceania. EVERY CONTINENT. You cannot be serious.

What the ******* are they teaching in british schools???

It was EUROPEAN COLONIALISM that brought genocide to the native americans, it was EUROPEANS that CREATED the slave trade, it was the EUROPEANS that conquered and plundered natural reasources from all other continents. WTF are you on about???

Seriously, you cannot be this ignorant. You MUST be joking t say it was USA that did these things. USA didn't even EXIST YET when YOU created these things.

And most of the people who did those things at the time are desendents of Americans as well as Europeans.

[lostalex]

And most of the people who did those things at the time are desendents of Americans as well as Europeans.

well i'm adopted, so i i'm not decended of anyone. Well, not anyone that i'm aware of at least.

I have no ethnicity, so i have no connection to any of that.

I'm quite literally just a Native American. I was born in the USA, and that's all i know, so i'm just a Native American.

[flemin]

well i'm adopted, so i i'm not decended of anyone. Well, not anyone that i'm aware of at least.

I have no ethnicity, so i have no connection to any of that.

I'm quite literally just a Native American. I was born in the USA, and that's all i know, so i'm just a Native American.

Regardless of your case, most Americans descend from Europeans; and as you said, America didn't excist at the time so you can no more blame modern Europeans than you can Americans as we were the same people.

[lostalex]

Regardless of your case, most Americans descend from Europeans; and as you said, America didn't excist at the time so you can no more blame modern Europeans than you can Americans as we were the same people.
That's simply not true. The vast majority of American's are also native americans, the vast majority of americans have never been to europe, they don't even have passports so how would they get there?

America took in immigrants desperate to escape europe, why would they want to go back?

America was a safe haven from all of the f00ked up sh!!!t going on in europe durring the last few centuries. None of them were coming to represent europe, they were desperate to escape the horrible chaos going on in europe. They wanted something new. so they decided to help built something new. We built something beautiful.

America is America despite Europe, not because of Europe.

[flemin]

America was a safe haven from all of the f00ked up sh!!!t going on in europe durring the last few centuries.
LoL, the Americans killed the natives, continued with slavery, abolished it, but continued with lynching and segregation til the 1950s. Hardly a haven!

Anyway, it's not as if the vast majority of Europeans condone what happended in the past or had anything to do with it. America's done FAR worse things in recent history (note not ever)!

[MTVN]

compare murder rates between just white populations... not so much.

The UK is 85% white, the US is only 55% white.

non-white populations always have higher murder rates, not just in the US, but every country with significant non-white populations.

I have no idea how to explain why non-white populations are more violent, but it certainly is the case.

It's not a race thing, it's an economic one. There's obviously going to be higher rates of crime in poorer areas, and those areas are disproportionately populated by non-whites.

[lostalex]

LoL, the Americans killed the natives, continued with slavery, abolished it, but continued with lynching and segregation til the 1950s. Hardly a haven!

Anyway, it's not as if the vast majority of Europeans condone what happended in the past or had anything to do with it. America's done FAR worse things in recent history (note not ever)!

If you wannaknow about slavery follow the money, follow it to europe.

Maybe you don't know, but the US was only 4% of the total slavery in the americas. The vast majority of slavery and the european slavetrade was south america. Get yur facts right.

The majority of slavery was in the carribean islands, and the east coast of south america. infct Brazil accounted for 40% of the slave trade comared to the US at 4%.

If you wanna talk about slavery, you need to talk to europe and south america. north america and the Us was a tiny miniscule percentage of what what was going on.

Wonder why the carribean islands are almost all black people????

oh yea, cause when the slave trade became illegal, you just left them there.

You can try and twist it all you like, but the fact is, slavery was EUROPEAN. Not American, or African, it was EUROPEANS making the big bucks off it, and the minute it became illegal, you just washed yur hands of it, and left us to clean up the mess.

try to rewrite history all you like, but we don't forget.

[flemin]

If you wannaknow about slavery follow the money, follow it to europe.

Maybe you don't know, but the US was only 4% of the total slavery in the americas. The vast majority of slavery and the european slavetrade was south america. Get yur facts right.

The majority of slavery was in the carribean islands, and the east coast of south america. infct Brazil accounted for 40% of the slave trade comared to the US at 4%.

If you wanna talk about slavery, you need to talk to europe and south america. north america and the Us was a tiny miniscule percentage of what what was going on.

Wonder why the carribean islands are almost all black people????

oh yea, cause when the slave trade became illegal, you just left them there.

You can try and twist it all you like, but the fact is, slavery was EUROPEAN. Not American, or African, it was EUROPEANS making the big bucks off it, and the minute it became illegal, you just washed yur hands of it, and left us to clean up the mess.

try to rewrite history all you like, but we don't forget.
If you've followed the discussion, you'd realise that I'm not defending anything Europe did, neither did I say that America has done worse things, I'm just disagreeing that America is some perfect haven when the country's done its fair share of bad, particularly in recent history. I'm not sure why you've bombarded me with a textwall on the ins and outs of slavery from hundrerd of years ago, when Europe was unarguably worse.

[lostalex]

If you've followed the discussion, you'd realise that I'm not defending anything Europe did, neither did I say that America has done worse things, I'm just disagreeing that America is some perfect haven when the country's done its fair share of bad, particularly in recent history. I'm not sure why you've bombarded me with a textwall on the ins and outs of slavery from hundrerd of years ago, when Europe was unarguably worse.


i'm sorry if you felt bombarded. that wasn't my intention. it sounds like we are agreeing.

[Novo]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lZoQPvGfdG8/TPoeQnbQtSI/AAAAAAAADT4/msAXNZ9Ebdw/s1600/FatDumbUgly.jpg

[lostalex]

British Person:

http://www.wikinoticia.com/images/blogcorazon/blogcorazon.com.files.2010.03.amy-winehouse-cienciologia.jpg




American Person:

http://models-hq.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/1-katy-perry-681x1024.jpg

[InOne]

He's a gem for the yanks

http://www.realbollywood.com/news/up_images/courtney-love6167.jpg

[lostalex]

He's a gem for the yanks

http://cdn.celebuzz.com/cb/assets/imgx/3/0/1/3/9/0/1/gallery-3013901.jpg?v=1228249460


Nice effort, but still better than Amy Wino. lol

[InOne]

Not really a fan of Amy anyway :tongue:

[MojoNixon]

Could be worse, UK could be the part of France or Turkey...

[lostalex]

plus i think courtney love lives in the UK now, so she's kinda 1/2 british 1/2 yank.

or like 3/4 brit, 1/4 yank.

don't they say possession is 9/10ths of the law?

so maybe even 9/10th's brit.

[InOne]

Didn't Amy live in the USA though? lol

[lostalex]

Didn't Amy live in the USA though? lol lol, yur joking right? like she could pass US customs??? dream on. (i'd hate to be the customs officer doing THAT cavity search *shudders*)

i don't think she's even allowed to tour here because of all her convictions.

[Novo]

sgxIVOdMhBE

[arista]

Could be worse, UK could be the part of France or Turkey...


we ain't part of the Yanks.


We ain't part of the Euro Crash.


We are British.

[Novo]

we ain't part of the Yanks.


We ain't part of the Euro Crash.


We are British.

No surrender

http://oi2.tinypic.com/2aflhc8.jpg

[lostalex]

sgxIVOdMhBE

yur dumb.

remind me again how many times england has ever beat USA in the world cup? and how many time's has USA beat england in the world up.


1950 BIATTCCHHH!!!!! :elephant:

[lostalex]

we ain't part of the Yanks.


We ain't part of the Euro Crash.


We are British.

Who is we? I know plenty of Scots, Welsh and Irish that would beg to differ.

I bet a could even scrounge up some little Engerlanders as well.

[Mystic Mock]

well as britain is older than america then the answer would be that america is the 51st state of britain.

[MTVN]

yur dumb.

remind me again how many times england has ever beat USA in the world cup? and how many time's has USA beat england in the world up.


1950 BIATTCCHHH!!!!! :elephant:

What happened after that one fluke victory though?

1953 - England 6 - 3 USA

1959 - England 8 - 1 USA

1964 - England 10 - 0 USA

1985 - England 5 - 0 USA

1992 - England 0 - 2 USA

1994 - England 2 - 0 USA

2005 England 2 - 1 USA

2010 - England 1 - 1 USA

[MTVN]

well as britain is older than america then the answer would be that america is the 51st state of britain.

And what are Britain's 50 other states then? :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

And what are Britain's 50 other states then? :joker:

all of americas states.:joker:

[lostalex]

What happened after that one fluke victory though?

1953 - England 6 - 3 USA

1959 - England 8 - 1 USA

1964 - England 10 - 0 USA

1985 - England 5 - 0 USA

1992 - England 0 - 2 USA

1994 - England 2 - 0 USA

2005 England 2 - 1 USA

2010 - England 1 - 1 USA

Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said WORLD CUP GAMES.

Maybe you don't speak American.

[MTVN]

Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said WORLD CUP GAMES.

Maybe you don't speak American.

I didnt.

[lostalex]

all of americas states.:joker:

Yea, that makes sense, cause it's so obvious it's America that follows britain for the last 100 years, right? lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said WORLD CUP GAMES.

Maybe you don't speak American.

its still football and england whooped americas ass.:joker:

jk i like america really,i just find it annoying when people ask questions like this.

[Mystic Mock]

Yea, that makes sense, cause it's so obvious it's America that follows britain for the last 100 years, right? lol.

america is younger so the answer is yes.:joker:

[lostalex]

its still football and england whooped americas ass.:joker:

jk i like america really,i just find it annoying when people ask questions like this.


Wow beating our juniors and B teams, such a feat! keep patting yourself on the back for that\. I know you Brits will look for any excuse... LMAO.

[lostalex]

america is younger so the answer is yes.:joker:


umm, no America is not younger. America is exactly as old as every other geographical location on the planet.

[Mystic Mock]

umm, no America is not younger. America is exactly as old as every other geographical location on the planet.

i mean people lived on britain before america so america are following us.:joker:

[InOne]

Yanks speak English.

We win.

[arista]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lZoQPvGfdG8/TPoeQnbQtSI/AAAAAAAADT4/msAXNZ9Ebdw/s1600/FatDumbUgly.jpg


Yes Andy
When I was working in LA
I had to push my way past these Fat Feckers
in Ralphs Food Store.

[Novo]

yur dumb.

remind me again how many times england has ever beat USA in the world cup? and how many time's has USA beat england in the world up.


1950 BIATTCCHHH!!!!! :elephant:

Well the only fair way to compare is All competitions and England have twatted USA on numerous occasions,

The last 3 games

2005 - England 2-1 USA - Kieran richardson double ( Proves just how ****e the USA are because he is a shocking player

2009 England 2-0 USA

2010 England 1-1 USA


All the cheering in america because you managed to draw against a very un organised and off form england side... some of you even thought you won the game.. pathetic :joker:

[lostalex]

i mean people lived on britain before america so america are following us.:joker:

Um, no, again, yur wrong. There were American's on the North American Continent, long before Germany colonized southern britain, and turned it into the country now known as "england"

what Are they teaching in british schools these days? disgraceful.

[lostalex]

Well the only fair way to compare is All competitions and England have twatted USA on numerous occasions,

The last 3 games

2005 - England 2-1 USA - Kieran richardson double ( Proves just how ****e the USA are because he is a shocking player

2009 England 2-0 USA

2010 England 1-1 USA


All the cheering in america because you managed to draw against a very un organised and off form england side... some of you even thought you won the game.. pathetic :joker:


2009? is that the year of the Confederations cup... the year Team USA beat Spain 2-0 and then went on to face Brazil for the gold medal match and barely lost 3-2? Remind me again how far England got in that tournament?

[Novo]

2009? is that the year of the Confederations cup... the year Team USA beat Spain 2-0 and then went on to face Brazil for the gold medal match and barely lost 3-2? Remind me again how far England got in that tournament?

They didn't even play in the confederations cup in 2009 you clown so that would be hard....

[lostalex]

Yanks speak English.

We win.

really? you should tell that to the people at Daily mail, cause i always hear them complaining about how Brits are speaking American. :conf:

[lostalex]

They didn't even play in the confederations cup in 2009 you clown so that would be hard....

and why is that? oh yea, cause you didn't qualify. :cat:

[InOne]

really? you should tell that to the people at Daily mail, cause i always hear them complaining about how Brits are speaking American. :conf:

That doesn't really make sense and is a rubbish come back lol

[Vicky.]

LOL at some of the replies in this thread :D

[Novo]

and why is that? oh yea, cause you didn't qualify. :cat:

We didn't Qualify because the best team in the world won Euro 2008, meanwhile USA Qualified playing teams that over here would be classed as pub teams ( Panama, El Salvador, Trinidad and Tobago, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras ) Awful standard.. the only teams that the USA can possibly beat..

England play the big boys to Qualify for major international tournaments.. Netherlands, Spain, Germany,

Oh look ^ The Winner, the runner up's and third place winners there. come back when you actually play decent competition and actually win the world cup.. that will be never.

[lostalex]

We didn't Qualify because the best team in the world won Euro 2008, meanwhile USA Qualified playing teams that over here would be classed as pub teams ( Panama, El Salvador, Trinidad and Tobago, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Honduras ) Awful standard.. the only teams that the USA can possibly beat..

England play the big boys to Qualify for major international tournaments.. Netherlands, Spain, Germany,

Oh look ^ The Winner, the runner up's and third place winners there. come back when you actually play decent competition and actually win the world cup.. that will be never.

oic, so playing and beating the full strength Spain team is not playing a quality side?? are you listening to yourself right now?

Novo meet reality, Reality meet Novo.

Now you have been introduced. no more excuses.

[lostalex]

That doesn't really make sense and is a rubbish come back lol

It's really not though. You are bringing a xenophobic ridiculous argument that The ENGLISH OWN the entire english language. So i'm using an equally xenophobic and ridiculous argument to defend the counterpoint.

English is a hodge podge of a language. It wasn't created from scratch. English is a combination of greek, latin, french, spanish, american, indian, australian words and many many more.

The English language was not an INVENTION. It's a patchwork.

[Novo]

oic, so playing and beating the full strength Spain team is not playing a quality side?? are you listening to yourself right now?

Novo meet reality, Reality meet Novo.

Now you have been introduced. no more excuses.

A full strength Spain team would include Iniesta.. so you are wrong there since he didn't play in that game... so i think it's time you should meet Reality.. you clearly aren't good at discussing football.. I could go on and on about all the time England thrashed Germany 5-1 ( Much more impressive victory then the USA's ) but i won't.. oh i could also throw 66 in there as well... oh wait i already did :)

[InOne]

It's really not though. You are bringing a xenophobic ridiculous argument that The ENGLISH OWN the entire english language. So i'm using an equally xenophobic and ridiculous argument to defend the counterpoint.

English is a hodge podge of a language. It wasn't created from scratch. English is a combination of greek, latin, french, spanish, american, indian, australian words and many many more.

The English language was not an INVENTION. It's a patchwork.

All in all, you speak it and it's still called English.

Not really much else to it.

[lostalex]

All in all, you speak it and it's still called English.

Not really much else to it.


There is though. There is a lot to it. It's really interesting if you ever bother to learn about it.

[lostalex]

Yes Andy
When I was working in LA
I had to push my way past these Fat Feckers
in Ralphs Food Store.
This is total BS. first cause yur in LA, which has some of the lowest obesity rates in the developed world.

I can understand the stereotypes about Americans in rural areas in texas, or arkansas, but to compare california to britain, California does not even COMPARE to the UK. The UK is WAAAAY fatter than California.

The USA AS A WHOLE IS FATTER (JUST BARELY) THAN THE UK, but the UK IS fatter than California.

[Novo]

Poor Arista, getting squashed by a load of fat american men in the food store... I hope you sorted them out Arista.. gave them some good healthy british food that they need so much over there :)

[arista]

"which has some of the lowest obesity rates "


Maybe but in Ralphs it was full of Fat Feckers

[lostalex]

Poor Arista, getting squashed by a load of fat american men in the food store... I hope you sorted them out Arista.. gave them some good healthy british food that they need so much over there :)

If you've ever been to a Ralph's, you'd know how gigantic they are. I assume he is being sarcastic. Ralph's is the size of an aircraft hanger.

[InOne]

There is though. There is a lot to it. It's really interesting if you ever bother to learn about it.

I know all about that. Anything you've done to the language has not been beneficial, just your own yank way of spelling things.

[lostalex]

I know all about that. Anything you've done to the language has not been beneficial, just your own yank way of spelling things.

I'm not talking about what we(Americans) have done to the language, i'm talkingf about the origins of the language.

The ENGLISH DID NOT INVENT the english language., what, you think it's just coincidence that you use the same 26 letter alphabet, you think it's just coincidence that so many words are the same or similar in spanish and french and greek?

The English didn't INVENT the English language.

The English perverted and evolved other languages the same as Americans, or Australians, or Canadians, or South Africans do.

[Vicky.]

In LA it seems everyone is either anorexic or obese. No inbetween with them D:


In fact, when I went to florida on holiday, it was the same there...

[InOne]

I'm not talking about what we(Americans) have done to the language, i'm talkingf about the origins of the language.

The ENGLISH DID NOT INVENT the english language., what, you think it's just coincidence that you use the same 26 letter alphabet, you think it's just coincidence that so many words are the same or similar in spanish and french and greek?

The English didn't INVENT the English language.

The English perverted and evolved other languages the same as Americans, or Australians, or Canadians, or South Africans do.

When did I ever say the English invented it? I just said it's called English and you speak it :tongue:

[lostalex]

When did I ever say the English invented it? I just said it's called English and you speak it :tongue:

Well i speak American, not English...

but i get your point...
So what are we arguing about? :conf:

[InOne]

So what are we arguing about? :conf:

God knows lol

[Novo]

If you've ever been to a Ralph's, you'd know how gigantic they are. I assume he is being sarcastic. Ralph's is the size of an aircraft hanger.

He is never sarcastic only serious.

[arista]

Americans Panic so much
as there Nation is only a few hundred years old.

[lostalex]

Americans Panic so much
as there Nation is only a few hundred years old.

What does a nation's age have to do with anxiety?

[arista]

In LA it seems everyone is either anorexic or obese. No inbetween with them D:


In fact, when I went to florida on holiday, it was the same there...



yes Vicky.

[arista]

What does a nation's age have to do with anxiety?


Lack of Roots

[lostalex]

I've lived in california for 10 years, and saying epople are "anorexic" i think is unfair. I have very rarely seen people that are recognizably anorexic.

Are there obese people? yes, and usually unfortunately it's usually the people with less money and less education that are very obese. Unfortunately we do see a link between poverty and obesity.

How many "healthy" or "fit" guests have you seen on Jeremy Kyle lately?

[lostalex]

Lack of Roots

lack of roots? lol. America has plenty of roots. Compared to most of the other nations you destroyed with yur little "colonial" experiements around the world, America has very clear roots, an d America has embraced it's roots veryh clearly, America is very proud of it's history, as well as very honest about the ugly sides of our past.

America is the most self-reflective country on the planet. and we don't sugar coat it.

In fact almost all of the criticisms i hear from british people, they get their criticisms from watching american movies, and american tv shows. They get all of their ammunition from American news, and documentaries.

Can you name a country that is more self-critical than the USA?

[Vicky.]

I've lived in california for 10 years, and saying epople are "anorexic" i think is unfair. I have very rarely seen people that are recognizably anorexic.

Are there obese people? yes, and usually unfortunately it's usually the people with less money and less education that are very obese. Unfortunately we do see a link between poverty and obesity.

How many "healthy" or "fit" guests have you seen on Jeremy Kyle lately?

What does that have to do with anything?

Not everything is about england v usa you know D:

I was merely stating what I personally have seen. And that is that nearly everyone is ultra skinny, or ultra fat. In LA, and florida.

As for JK...they dont half get some beasts on there :laugh:

[lostalex]

What does that have to do with anything?

Not everything is about england v usa you know D:

I was merely stating what I personally have seen. And that is that nearly everyone is ultra skinny, or ultra fat. In LA, and florida.

As for JK...they dont half get some beasts on there :laugh:

Sorry, but i do find it offensive that you see people in these black and white terms. it's very judgemental.

Why is it any of your business how many extra pounds someone has on. And the idea that everyone one in LA is unhealthy, for eigther being too big or too small, so who is the goldilocks?? you???

I suppose you are the goldilocks, you've never struggled with anything, never tangled with weight or any other vice then???

Ms. F-ing perfect. where can we buy the DVD then?

[Angus]

but that's beauty of it isn't it? Because the US doesn't care about the rest of the world, the joke is really on those laughing at it. :)

You can't humiliate someone if they don't even know you exist. lol

It's like an ant laughing at a bulldozer.

But as an American, I feel some need to speak for my country, and as ambassador for my country on TiBB, let me say, we respect you, and your cultures, and we wish only to spread peace and love to the entire world. :)

LMAO

Keep telling yourself you don't care, I believe you......NOT:laugh: Or else you wouldn't be spending so much time on a UK forum wasting your time, and ours, trying to defend the indefensible. I don't know how to tell you this, but you're a pretty rubbish ambassador for your country.

The general misinterpretation of basic historical facts displayed by you on this thread in order to put America in a positive light, has only served to reinforce my point that Americans have been brainwashed into believing their own publicity, and are spectacularly ill-educated about the rest of the world, because they simply don't recognise that it's there for any other reason than to serve their own selfish needs. Still, the one good thing about America is that it's a good 3,500 miles away:thumbs:

[lostalex]

Keep telling yourself you don't care, I believe you......NOT:laugh: Or else you wouldn't be spending so much time on a UK forum wasting your time, and ours, trying to defend the indefensible. I don't know how to tell you this, but you're a pretty rubbish ambassador for your country.

The general misinterpretation of basic historical facts displayed by you on this thread in order to put America in a positive light, has only served to reinforce my point that Americans have been brainwashed into believing their own publicity, and are spectacularly ill-educated about the rest of the world, because they simply don't recognise that it's there for any other reason than to serve their own selfish needs. Still, the one good thing about America is that it's a good 3,500 miles away:thumbs:

i disgaree with basically everything you say, except the part about being thankful for the 3000 miles of ocean.

See, we American's always look for the common ground. :) We're very amicable like that.

[Vicky.]

Sorry, but i do find it offensive that you see people in these black and white terms. it's very judgemental.

Why is it any of your business how many extra pounds someone has on. And the idea that everyone one in LA is unhealthy, for eigther being too big or too small, so who is the goldilocks?? you???

I suppose you are the goldilocks, you've never struggled with anything, never tangled with weight or any other vice then???

Ms. F-ing perfect. where can we buy the DVD then?

Oh chill the **** out.

It was just an observation :laugh2:

[Novo]

Give it a burger or two maybe it will Chill out then usually works for most american's

[lostalex]

okay,m you guys might have a point. i am on a very restrictive new diet. Stupid new year's.... :(

Sorry if i'm being a P.R.ick, but thanks for keeping me entertained.

[Stu]

I love America. Fascinaitng place. It's filled to the brim with **** and sugar but what you have to remember is that more often than not it's also the cradle of it's own rebellion. Like lostalex says they have a very self critical culture there and whilst it's full of evil on one hand it's also full of millions of intelligent, open minded people revolting against that.

[lostalex]

I love America. Fascinaitng place. It's filled to the brim with **** and sugar but what you have to remember is that more often than not it's also the cradle of it's own rebellion. Like lostalex says they have a very self critical culture there and whilst it's full of evil on one hand it's also full of millions of intelligent, open minded people revolting against that.

a voice of reason. :)

[Novo]

It's filled to the brim with ****

that was the voice of reason bit

[lostalex]

It's filled to the brim with ****

that was the voice of reason bit


says the pedo with a 14 y/o in his sig....

[InOne]

It's Sarah Michelle Gellar :S

[Novo]

says the pedo with a 14 y/o in his sig....

http://i55.tinypic.com/35kjwwp.jpg

You are 7 years of the mark... anything else you won't to get wrong? or are you done with making yourself look like a clown now..

[InOne]

Or Nina lol But it looks like her

[lostalex]

so why'd you choose to use the pic that makes her looks like a child? it's creepy.

[Novo]

so why'd you choose to use the pic that makes her looks like a child? it's creepy.

She looks he age in my Avatar and Sig you clearly aren't very good with ages and with women in that case... getting a 21 year old woman mixed up with a 14 year old girl... i worry for you

[lostalex]

She looks he age in my Avatar and Sig you clearly aren't very good with ages and with women in that case... getting a 21 year old woman mixed up with a 14 year old girl... i worry for you

are you honestly saying that she doesn't look underage in your signature picture?

really?

She looks like the chick from Harry Pottrer.... in the FIRST movie.

[Novo]

are you honestly saying that she doesn't look underage in your signature picture?

really?

No, you are either have very bad eye sight or your stevie wonder.. but i am going for the first one,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_aOVUVB-gmBA/TRr9nuNzjCI/AAAAAAAA5jk/2crXT0O58fs/s1600/Nina_Dobrev_Hot_05.jpg

^

Does she still look 14 now?

[Novo]

are you honestly saying that she doesn't look underage in your signature picture?

really?

She looks like the chick from Harry Pottrer.... in the FIRST movie.

She looks nothing like her at all :joker: are you looking at the same pic