Whats Your Opinion On "Northren Ireland"?

[KKBL]

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[Spike]

I had to do a piece of coursework on this. I think NI should be part of Ireland.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Spike
I had to do a piece of coursework on this. I think NI should be part of Ireland.

So did I!

I say it should remain as it is, at least for the next decade or two.

[Stu]

Rightfully its Ireland , but its come too far now. There are two ignorant camps routinely pissing on each other and theirs no end in sight. Theirs no true compromise that will satisfy everyone save for making it independent.

[KKBL]

a hundred years ago or whatever it was irish children where forced to speak english and the men where forced to work for the british army or else they die.IMO those six counties where stole from Ireland and the whole irish culture has been ruined.and if NI came back to Ireland they weed be sure the IRA is over.

[andybigbro]

I think it should Stay Part of the UK

[Conor]

I think it should stay part of the UK. We need the money and forces. And if we went independant, I think we'd never survive! :conf2:

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.

[Stu]

Originally posted by *Cathal*
a hundred years ago or whatever it was irish children where forced to speak english and the men where forced to work for the british army or else they die.IMO those six counties where stole from Ireland and the whole irish culture has been ruined.and if NI came back to Ireland they weed be sure the IRA is over.
I agree with you to a certain extent but we are better off with the english language as opposed to that archaic , useless crap being shoved down our throats in schools.

Speaking Irish would essentially cut us off from the rest of the world.

[Princess]

It would a whole lot easier if we were just one country. But I think its far too complicated now to change it.

[Conor]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.

I dont like people using the word conqured. It sounds like we're your prisoner that way. In truthfulness, I guess after a few thecnical issues and if there wasnt so much sectarianism, we could split when ever we want to.

[Stu]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.
So your political reasoning is to keep it as a silly little monument to your once great empire?

Poor England. Here. Take Northern Ireland. Take the republic too! You guys need it more than we do!

America is ancient history. The english helped build America. Thats a different story. It was ages ago , not relatively modern history. As far as I know , Canada and Australia are both happy to be part of the British Commonwealth. Northen Ireland is a different story. There is some clear resistance there for the past..oh I dont know...100 years?

[Conor]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.
So your political reasoning is to keep it as a silly little monument to your once great empire?

Poor England. Here. Take Northern Ireland. Take the republic too! You guys need it more than we do!

America is ancient history. The english helped build America. Thats a different story. It was ages ago , not relatively modern history. As far as I know , Canada and Australia are both happy to be part of the British Commonwealth. Northen Ireland is a different story. There is some clear resistance there for the past..oh I dont know...100 years?

I have to agree with that 100 & 1% :wink: And I should know, I've lived here all my life and only leave it for about 3 weeks a year lol

[Shaun]

I think it would be difficult for them to govern themselves, since (I'd guess) industry and economic sources aren't exactly widespread.

I'm all for them deciding themselves though. Tbh I don't know a lot about the history involved.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shaun
I think it would be difficult for them to govern themselves, since (I'd guess) industry and economic sources aren't exactly widespread.

I'm all for them deciding themselves though. Tbh I don't know a lot about the history involved.
Same here. And thats a great point about it being difficult for them to survive themselves. But hey , luxembourg can do it. Sure , they will probably live off exporting and importing to england and ireland , but at least they will be free.

[Captain.Remy]

I don't really have an opinion since I didn't study the topic enough to talk about it clearly with all the cards in my hands. I know the headlines but not in details and many people are definately better than me on that subject.

[Conor]

We do have advantages, like free passes into other nations. Britian and Ireland without passports lol

[Matt08]

I'd like to see Ireland become one seperate country.

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.

I dont like people using the word conqured. It sounds like we're your prisoner that way. In truthfulness, I guess after a few thecnical issues and if there wasnt so much sectarianism, we could split when ever we want to.

I covered this subject at school and it also got quite passionate as their was this Irish kid full of attitude...who put up a serious fight. I shall say now what I said then...We here in Great Britain are proud to own England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. All are part of Great Britain and are we going to give Northern Ireland back to the Irish...'are we bu**ery'. Whats ours is ours. Would those who reside in Southern Ireland like to give their independance back to Great Britain...No they wouldnt. Whats theres is theres and they cling onto it for dear life. Not only that...but history has told us quite clearly that the Irish Republican Army chose to plant bombs to get what they want...<all of Ireland>

[FictitiousHouse]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.
So your political reasoning is to keep it as a silly little monument to your once great empire?

Poor England. Here. Take Northern Ireland. Take the republic too! You guys need it more than we do!

America is ancient history. The english helped build America. Thats a different story. It was ages ago , not relatively modern history. As far as I know , Canada and Australia are both happy to be part of the British Commonwealth. Northen Ireland is a different story. There is some clear resistance there for the past..oh I dont know...100 years?

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, Southern Ireland is independant. Why should it change for gods sake...Does it really matter. Im sure they are used to it by now. If they have been complaining for a 100 years, then whats wrong with another 100 years? at least Gerry Adams and co are doing something to aid the peace process :tongue: God knows what like. 'Im sure they just tell us what they want us to know' . I was only using Great Britains ancient past of owning other countries as an example of how far we got and how little we are now. Even less now we are part of Europe.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
We here in Great Britain are proud to own England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

from what i hear thats no ture.if it was "we hear in England are proud to own Scotland,Wales and NI" then you would probobly be right.

[molecular]

give irelasnd back to the irish. long live michael collins

[Lauren]

Stay as it is, but I think NI are sidelined a lot... like in the 6 nations they have an the tricolour flag as representing the Irish team despite some of them being from NI too - wheres the red hand?

[Billy]

Umm I dont really have an opinion tbh

[Shaun]

Originally posted by molecular
give irelasnd back to the irish. long live michael collins

That's my dad's name :bigsmile:

And my name, minus the Shaun...

[Stu]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.
So your political reasoning is to keep it as a silly little monument to your once great empire?

Poor England. Here. Take Northern Ireland. Take the republic too! You guys need it more than we do!

America is ancient history. The english helped build America. Thats a different story. It was ages ago , not relatively modern history. As far as I know , Canada and Australia are both happy to be part of the British Commonwealth. Northen Ireland is a different story. There is some clear resistance there for the past..oh I dont know...100 years?

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, Southern Ireland is independant. Why should it change for gods sake...

Because its originally Irish for christ sake! Your reasoning here baffels me. I would not mind if you were logical about it.

Theirs no political agenda behind your posts. To you , Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland are what , dumb little trophys in englands decreasingly sparse trophy cabinet?

[KKBL]

^
honestly thats what i was thinking too.

[spitfire]

The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.Ireland wanted to be part of the Union, Then 100 years later the majority wanted out but a massive percentage,especially in the North wanted to remain part of the UK so a partition was put in place.
Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.

[Conor]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by FictitiousHouse
Originally posted by andybigbro
I think it should Stay Part of the UK

I agree. Great Britain conquered nearly three quarters of the world once 'Australia', 'Canada', 'America', 'India' to name but a few...Today we dont have much left and what little we do have...we must keep hold of. Even if it means going to war or risking bombing.
So your political reasoning is to keep it as a silly little monument to your once great empire?

Poor England. Here. Take Northern Ireland. Take the republic too! You guys need it more than we do!

America is ancient history. The english helped build America. Thats a different story. It was ages ago , not relatively modern history. As far as I know , Canada and Australia are both happy to be part of the British Commonwealth. Northen Ireland is a different story. There is some clear resistance there for the past..oh I dont know...100 years?

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, Southern Ireland is independant. Why should it change for gods sake...Does it really matter. Im sure they are used to it by now. If they have been complaining for a 100 years, then whats wrong with another 100 years? at least Gerry Adams and co are doing something to aid the peace process :tongue: God knows what like. 'Im sure they just tell us what they want us to know' . I was only using Great Britains ancient past of owning other countries as an example of how far we got and how little we are now. Even less now we are part of Europe.

Gerry Adams isn't aiding the peace proccess much at all, infact if anything, he may even be blcoking the path! For Gods sake, he used to be a terorist, they even dubbed his voice out on a news report at one point! It was Mo Mowlam that did literally everything to move NI on. Unfortunatly, she died a few years back and never got to finish the proccess. I mean the two highest memebers of Stomount (Paisly & McGuinnes) won't even sit properly beside each other.

As for it not mattering... maybe the 30 years of troubles, bombing, shootings and riots should answer that one :wink:

[spitfire]

Originally posted by MorpheusBecause its originally Irish for christ sake! Northern Ireland is still Irish.(There is a clue in the name if you look hard enough):wink:
Just as England,Scotland and Wales are English,Scotish and Welsh.All four make up the United Kingdom.

Originally posted by Morpheus To you , Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland are what , dumb little trophys in englands decreasingly sparse trophy cabinet? They're not trophies of England.England Dosen't own them.All four are part of a Union each with it's own identity.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire

Just as England,Scotland and Wales are English,Scotish and Welsh.All four make up the United Kingdom.

They're not trophies of England. England Dosen't own them. All four are part of a Union each with it's own identity.

You'll find that Scotland is also having problems with being part of the UK. They have also been trying to gain independace and they have their own parliment.

If England didn't want to see them as trophy's it would probably have been on its own a long time ago, but they keep trying to clench onto what little they have.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong. Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/522/unionjackwg6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by spitfire

Just as England,Scotland and Wales are English,Scotish and Welsh.All four make up the United Kingdom.

They're not trophies of England. England Dosen't own them. All four are part of a Union each with it's own identity.

You'll find that Scotland is also having problems with being part of the UK. They have also been trying to gain independace and they have their own parliment.

If England didn't want to see them as trophy's it would probably have been on its own a long time ago, but they keep trying to clench onto what little they have.
England dosnt own any country/nation.England dosnt even have a parliment!!

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire
The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.Ireland wanted to be part of the Union, Then 100 years later the majority wanted out but a massive percentage,especially in the North wanted to remain part of the UK so a partition was put in place.
Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
bullksiht spitfire. english invaded an tore ireland aprt, the partition act was passedd while the english were busy murdering irish people an it was best thing de valera and collins could manage from the situation when ireland an its pewople wanted to become a free cou try to rule itself. if english had ****edd off and stop killujng people there wouldnt be a problem but they were there so they had to reach compromise due to heroic backlash against oppression from the brit governemtn. ireland can be reunited someday.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong. Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/522/unionjackwg6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

but why do you have to say "forever" with that smug emotic.i hate to say but quotes like that is what formed the IRA(who killed many people)

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
Originally posted by spitfire
The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.Ireland wanted to be part of the Union, Then 100 years later the majority wanted out but a massive percentage,especially in the North wanted to remain part of the UK so a partition was put in place.
Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
bullksiht spitfire. english invaded an tore ireland aprt, the partition act was passedd while the english were busy murdering irish people an it was best thing de valera and collins could manage from the situation when ireland an its pewople wanted to become a free cou try to rule itself. if english had ****edd off and stop killujng people there wouldnt be a problem but they were there so they had to reach compromise due to heroic backlash against oppression from the brit governemtn.
I won't even try to decipher that.

[molecular]

no yopu shouldnt bother cause youll get a nasty surprise mr propaganda bulls hit machine.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong. Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/522/unionjackwg6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

but why do you have to say "forever" with that smug emotic.i hate to say but quotes like that is what formed the IRA(who killed many people)
Because, In my opinion it will be forever.Sadly and personally i know the IRA murdered many people and im glad they have now realised the bomb and gun is not the way forward.Maybe if the IRA hadn't of reformed in'69 it may have been an all Ireland a long time ago but no Western Goverment will backdown to terrorism.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
no yopu shouldnt bother cause youll get a nasty surprise mr propaganda bulls hit machine.
In English or Irish if you please.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by *Cathal*
Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.
"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong. Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/522/unionjackwg6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

but why do you have to say "forever" with that smug emotic.i hate to say but quotes like that is what formed the IRA(who killed many people)
Because, In my opinion it will be forever.Sadly and personally i know the IRA murdered many people and Im glad they have now realised the bomb and gun is not the way forward.Maybe if the IRA hadn't of reformed in'69 it may have been an all Ireland a long time ago but no Western Goverment will backdown to terrorism.

Remind yourself who's fault it was the IRA reformed again...

All the troubles and secterianism ands contrevesy in Northern Ireland route right back to England

[spitfire]

How is it Englands fault?It was the N.Irish Unionists who were the sectarian ones.I'm not denying that the Catholics of N.I were made to be second class citizens what i was trying to say is if the IRA had fought a political battle and not a war then maybe there would of been an all Ireland back in the 70's but i just can't see it happening now.

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by molecular
no yopu shouldnt bother cause youll get a nasty surprise mr propaganda bulls hit machine.
In English or Irish if you please.
ha...............................ha............... .....................ha

hey mate youre not the first to crack the ever hilarious joke that i make one or two typos when i type fast, but its usually the cowards who hide behiond this excuse when i pull them up for some of the stupid ignorant comments i read on here. youre right to not respond because your smug nationlist attitude doesnt really stand a chance against someone with a clue. coward

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular because your smug nationlist attitude
Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire
How is it Englands fault?It was the N.Irish Unionists who were the sectarian ones.I'm not denying that the Catholics of N.I were made to be second class citizens what i was trying to say is if the IRA had fought a political battle and not a war then maybe there would of been an all Ireland back in the 70's but i just can't see it happening now.

Well, if England never bothered 'Conquring' (or rather snatching) NI, and left us as we are as one country, theres a massive chance that groups such as the IRA and other terrorist groups would never have formed.

And as some other members mentioned, England bullied, tortured and masacared their way into getting Northern Ireland on their ever shrinking empire.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by spitfire
How is it Englands fault?It was the N.Irish Unionists who were the sectarian ones.I'm not denying that the Catholics of N.I were made to be second class citizens what i was trying to say is if the IRA had fought a political battle and not a war then maybe there would of been an all Ireland back in the 70's but i just can't see it happening now.

Well, if England never bothered 'Conquring' (or rather snatching) NI, and left us as we are as one country, theres a massive chance that groups such as the IRA and other terrorist groups would never have formed.

And as some other members mentioned, England bullied, tortured and masacared their way into getting Northern Ireland on their ever shrinking empire.
It wasn't snatched or conquered it was agreed.

The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.
Northern Ireland wasn't even an issue back then.

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by molecular because your smug nationlist attitude
Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't.

absolute rubbish. shock horror. theres nothing smug about a countries people wanting one governmnt by way to rule themselves.

smug is you gloating that the six divided counties will forever be part of your british union. goodnight.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by molecular because your smug nationlist attitude
Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't. absolute rubbish. It's not rubbish!You called me a Nationalist,Nationalists want an all Ireland.I'm not and i don't.


Originally posted by molecular
Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by molecular because your smug nationlist attitude
Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't.
shock horror. theres nothing smug about a countries people wanting one governmnt by way to rule themselves.
You need to make your mind up on whether being a nationalist is smug.You call me a smug nationalist but here you say people with Nationalist ideas are not smug.

[molecular]

smugs an adjective dickbrain it doesnt live on the beginning of words like nationlist. i was being subjective to your cause. now this time it is goodnight im gettin sick of this place.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
smugs an adjective dickbrain it doesnt live on the beginning of words like nationlist.

Originally posted by molecular youre right to not respond because your smug nationlist attitude

Goodnight.:xyxwave: