Fox Hunting - Ban the Ban?

[Magic]

What are your opinions on Fox Hunting?
Is it cruel? Or is it beneficial in controlling fox numbers?

A few years ago a new law meant that fox hunts could take a limited amount of hounds with them when hunting, and now must shoot any foxes caught, rather than set the hounds on them.

Is this law right? Or should the traditional way's of fox hunting be once again brought in to practise?

[dupin]

If it was all about managing fox numbers, they could do it in a slightly less vicious way. I'm really against it, it's fairly inhumane...

[MarkWaldorf]

It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all.

[Magic]

Ban the Ban

Point One - Increase in disease

I reguarly go fox hunting, but I can understand why many people are against the ban.

Over the last few mornings when riding out, a fox in the corner of a field has been watching me. Over the holiday's I have rode right up to the fox, and it hasn't moved. The fox just sit's thier, watching. Through this oppurtunity I have seen that foxes are rather innocent, but I can also see that they suffer from many health problems.

The pack of foxes that this fox (A cub to be precise) all have fox mange, and are very skinny. Back in November we found a fox that had died due to some illness, and about a month later another fox was found.

Since the ban was put in to place many foxes's have died in my area through disease. Although many think that fox hunting is cruel, it does help maintain a species. Fox hunting has been happening for over 400 years, and still their are many foxes around. I have found, at least in my area that since the ban was put in to place more foxes have died through disease.

Therefore, I have seen, that the ban has not really beniffited the foxe's, as a increase in numbers to start with led to a spread in disease, later causing increased death.

Fox Mange, a disease which infects their skin also spreads to domestic pets.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Ban the Ban

Point One - Increase in disease

I reguarly go fox hunting, but I can understand why many people are against the ban.

Over the last few mornings when riding out, a fox in the corner of a field has been watching me. Over the holiday's I have rode right up to the fox, and it hasn't moved. The fox just sit's thier, watching. Through this oppurtunity I have seen that foxes are rather innocent, but I can also see that they suffer from many health problems.

The pack of foxes that this fox (A cub to be precise) all have fox mange, and are very skinny. Back in November we found a fox that had died due to some illness, and about a month later another fox was found.

Since the ban was put in to place many foxes's have died in my area through disease. Although many think that fox hunting is cruel, it does help maintain a species. Fox hunting has been happening for over 400 years, and still their are many foxes around. I have found, at least in my area that since the ban was put in to place more foxes have died through disease.

Therefore, I have seen, that the ban has not really beniffited the foxe's, as a increase in numbers to start with led to a spread in disease, later causing increased death.

Fox Mange, a disease which infects their skin also spreads to domestic pets.

It's a joke to claim that fox hunting is a good way of helping foxes. It's unlikely I'll be happy that a fox doesn't have to suffer from Fox Mange because there's an alternative which involves being wripped to shreds by dogs.

[Magic]

Point Two - Is the new law fairer?

When hunted by hounds, due to their nature, most of the stronger foxes escaped being caught, and the weaker foxes were culled. This meant that the general fox population was healthier. Now, however, any fox can be shot, and this is meaning that more healthy foxes are being killed.

Despite this, I still think the new law put in to place IS more humane, as the foxes are undergoing less pain.

[dupin]

I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

[MarkWaldorf]

Isn't there medical care for these animals then? If I saw a hurt animal or an animal in suffering I would immediately take it to care, not shoot it. It's inhumane. It's nasty. It's cruel.

[Spike]

Fox hunting is cruel and nasty, there is no need for it at all.

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

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My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

[molecular]

ye should be banned. ban the ban on the ban:thumbs2:

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

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My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

No, but you're acting as if the primary objective of fox hunting is to help control the number of foxes, which it isn't. Most people who fox hunt want it to be legal because they consider it tradition to go and slaughter animals for fun.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

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My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

What makes you think they would starve to death if you didn't go out and shoot them? Is this a service you provide to all animals or just foxes!?

It's like me saying I should be allowed to go out and shoot squirrels because they will overpopulate and starve if I don't. Load of crap...

[Jake!]

Any animalkilling is cruel, fur trade, fox hunting, others, they all really annoy me and I think it shouldn't be happening. Only killing animals for food is human, because its the food chain, but other than that I hate animal cruelty.

[Sunny_01]

I dont like the end product of a fox hunt, I hate the thought that a pack of dogs rips a fox to pieces. There are far more humane ways to cull animals. In York Park the squirrel population is regularly "culled" to stop numbers getting out of control but they dont send a pack of dogs after them.

I think that hunters can get the buzz of the chase out of following a scent trail.

The problem with the ban is noone seems able to enforce it, the police are not interested in enforcing it and the hunters are determined to carry on.

[Stu]

Originally posted by NightMare
Any animalkilling is cruel, fur trade, fox hunting, others, they all really annoy me and I think it shouldn't be happening. Only killing animals for food is human, because its the food chain, but other than that I hate animal cruelty.
Lets have a game of spot the contradiction!




Any animalkilling is cruel


Uh-Huh.





Only killing animals for food is human


Wait a minuet. Why? Because meat is tasty?

[Matt10k]

I think nightmare was pointing out that killing animals for food is more natural. Other animals do it, it’s part of the food chain. Early man killed animals for food to survive. It might not be necessary to survive now but it still seems to make more sense (to me) to only kill an animal for food than it is just for the fun of it.

Even the fur trade has at least some purpose and again this goes back to when animals were killed because we needed their fur. Now we don't but the tradition remains.

Killing an animal purely for sport is completely unnecessary.

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

---
My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

No, but you're acting as if the primary objective of fox hunting is to help control the number of foxes, which it isn't. Most people who fox hunt want it to be legal because they consider it tradition to go and slaughter animals for fun.

I go hunting, but I dont really see the fun in the 'killing'. I think for many, hunting acts as a social occasion, and for farmers as a way to protect their livestock.

Half the people that post here proberly eat at McDonalds, KFC, or eat other processed foods, and the animals go through much more suffering their, than being shot.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I think nightmare was pointing out that killing animals for food is more natural. Other animals do it, it’s part of the food chain. Early man killed animals for food to survive. It might not be necessary to survive now but it still seems to make more sense (to me) to only kill an animal for food than it is just for the fun of it.

Even the fur trade has at least some purpose and again this goes back to when animals were killed because we needed their fur. Now we don't but the tradition remains.

Killing an animal purely for sport is completely unnecessary.

But for many they hunt in order to stop the spread of disease, and in order to protect their livestock.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

---
My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

No, but you're acting as if the primary objective of fox hunting is to help control the number of foxes, which it isn't. Most people who fox hunt want it to be legal because they consider it tradition to go and slaughter animals for fun.

I go hunting, but I dont really see the fun in the 'killing'. I think for many, hunting acts as a social occasion, and for farmers as a way to protect their livestock.

Half the people that post here proberly eat at McDonalds, KFC, or eat other processed foods, and the animals go through much more suffering their, than being shot.

I suppose. I very rarely eat processed food, or eat at places like McDonalds so I disagree with the way animals are treated, if what you're saying is true (I don't know much about it so I can't form a valid opinion at the moment.) But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I think nightmare was pointing out that killing animals for food is more natural. Other animals do it, it’s part of the food chain. Early man killed animals for food to survive. It might not be necessary to survive now but it still seems to make more sense (to me) to only kill an animal for food than it is just for the fun of it.

Even the fur trade has at least some purpose and again this goes back to when animals were killed because we needed their fur. Now we don't but the tradition remains.

Killing an animal purely for sport is completely unnecessary.
I agree completely. He probably just expressed the point wrongly I feel. Yes , their is more of a point to it. Heck , im not a veggie obsesser - I eat meat myself.

[Matt10k]

Magic, the point about McDonalds is the best point you've made. People don't seem to care where their meat comes from but then get all elitist when someone wants to hunt foxes. I do understand your points, I just don't think 'social gathering' is a good enough reason to go out and kill foxes!

Sure, farmers have to shoot the occasional fox that's sniffing around their chicken pens but lets be honest here... the upper class men on horses do it for the thrill of the hunt and because it's tradition and they believe it's their 'right'. It's like americans thinking they have the 'right' to handguns. It's archaic and unnessessary and I'm glad it was banned.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I think nightmare was pointing out that killing animals for food is more natural. Other animals do it, it’s part of the food chain. Early man killed animals for food to survive. It might not be necessary to survive now but it still seems to make more sense (to me) to only kill an animal for food than it is just for the fun of it.

Even the fur trade has at least some purpose and again this goes back to when animals were killed because we needed their fur. Now we don't but the tradition remains.

Killing an animal purely for sport is completely unnecessary.

Yeah, my keyboard is dodgy. Right killing animals fro food is humane, if you were swimming in the sea and up come along a shark who hasn't eaten, its bye. Its thefood-chain, it won't stop.

However, other reasons for killing animals are wrong. Gone are the days were we slip a coat made from a fox because we had to. We are not in the days of Tarzan, there are many more fabrics now, and just today scientists discovered a new one that can mend itself. However, an animal doesn't have alternative, you can't take its fur and say "Oh go to Oxford Street and get a new coat."

And tell me, what does anyone get out killing an animal, of a buying product that consists of it or does animal testing?! Animal testing is ok for medicenes since it goes back to how we've survived today. But who care's if you can get L'Oreal Mascara because it hasn't been "animal tested" to see if it can kill the animal. There are plenty of people who don't ind being testers, and they are not forced into it...

My point proved...

[Matt08]

I totally hate fox hunting, it's very inhumane and fox's shouldn't have to go through a dog tearing them to pieces. How would you like it if a dog came and tore you to pieces?
The stuff about McDonald's and other fast food outlets, i've never heard of them getting wripped apart by dogs.
Also, if the farmer's are concerned about fox's eating their lifestock, then they should ensure that their animals are secured in their compounds/pens safely.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
I don't know why you're arguing if one is more inhumane than the other - they're both inhumane and wrong.

So you suggest that their is no control put on their numbers?
And they die of starvation?

---
My view is that the new law should be kept, as it is in most area's keeping the fox population controlled, and disease down.

No, but you're acting as if the primary objective of fox hunting is to help control the number of foxes, which it isn't. Most people who fox hunt want it to be legal because they consider it tradition to go and slaughter animals for fun.

I go hunting, but I dont really see the fun in the 'killing'. I think for many, hunting acts as a social occasion, and for farmers as a way to protect their livestock.

Half the people that post here proberly eat at McDonalds, KFC, or eat other processed foods, and the animals go through much more suffering their, than being shot.

I suppose. I very rarely eat processed food, or eat at places like McDonalds so I disagree with the way animals are treated, if what you're saying is true (I don't know much about it so I can't form a valid opinion at the moment.) But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Yes, but at least they don't get shot for "fun", its in order for us to survive. I've seen how meat is killed and it could be done in a better way. But whilst peoplle just kill animals for fun and style, it possibly the most humane way possible in this day and age. What would rather a pig shocked then throat slit (dies instantly), or skinned to suffer long and pain full death?! I know which one I'd rather...

[dupin]

Unfortunately, my opinion that fox hunting should be banned is rather unpopular in the Tory county that is Wiltshire, though there is a fair number of people who share my veiws as well.

As it appears, nationwide, most people want a ban, so there should be one.

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
Unfortunately, my opinion that fox hunting should be banned is rather unpopular in the Tory county that is Wiltshire, though there is a fair number of people who share my veiws as well.

As it appears, nationwide, most people want a ban, so there should be one.

I dont think their should be a ban it total, I think the law should no remain as it is.
I'm from somerset, so we are both close.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by dupin
Unfortunately, my opinion that fox hunting should be banned is rather unpopular in the Tory county that is Wiltshire, though there is a fair number of people who share my veiws as well.

As it appears, nationwide, most people want a ban, so there should be one.

I just wanna ask you, want makes you feel that an animals right to life should be taken away for no reason?

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

Stop saying that. That's not why people fox hunt, it's naive to think you can tell people that and they'll all just believe that you're trying to do good.

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

[Matt10k]

Why are you so concerned of foxes dying of disease? There are other animals that die of disease. Face it, people hunt foxes for sport and because it's traditional. Don't pretend you are providing some survice.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Why are you so concerned of foxes dying of disease? There are other animals that die of disease. Face it, people hunt foxes for sport and because it's traditional. Don't pretend you are providing some survice.

Tradition or not, it's wrong and mother nature will get her own back one of these days...

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k

Sure, farmers have to shoot the occasional fox that's sniffing around their chicken pens but lets be honest here... the upper class men on horses do it for the thrill of the hunt and because it's tradition and they believe it's their 'right'.

You are partly right, but since the ban came in to place its mainly farmers that do the hunting. I have had 10 of my chickens killed, and only one taken away to be eaten a few years back. I think its thing's like that, that encourage the majority of hunters since the ban.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.
What insane arguments. Do you think these rich toffs on horseback are hunting foxes for their love of community service or euthanasia? No! Its pleasure! Nothing more! A silly little sport for people with skin deep lives to play out back at the social club!

Controls the population? Your speaking of it as it were an epidemic of foxes threatening to overrun our countrysides. Stops them from dying of diseases? How? By having a beagle rip its face off?

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k

Sure, farmers have to shoot the occasional fox that's sniffing around their chicken pens but lets be honest here... the upper class men on horses do it for the thrill of the hunt and because it's tradition and they believe it's their 'right'.

You are partly right, but since the ban came in to place its mainly farmers that do the hunting. I have had 10 of my chickens killed, and only one taken away to be eaten a few years back. I think its thing's like that, that encourage the majority of hunters since the ban.

You're partly to blame because if you keep chickens then you should make sure that the area that they're in is secure and fox-proof.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.
What insane arguments. Do you think these rich toffs on horseback are hunting foxes for their love of community service or euthanasia? No! Its pleasure! Nothing more! A silly little sport for people with skin deep lives to play out back at the social club!

Controls the population? Your speaking of it as it were an epidemic of foxes threatening to overrun our countrysides. Stops them from dying of diseases? How? By having a beagle rip its face off?

Trust me if it was to do with a good thing then we wouldn't behaving this conversation right now!

[Princess]

Totally totally against it. Why should they be hunted? They're just as entitled to life as anyone else.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

Just to update you a few years ago that was banned. Now foxes can only be shot.

Fox hunting has been going on for about 400 years, and the fox population is still strong today.

Ok, so I assume you live in a house. This house was once a field, home to many animals. If you are saying that nature shouldn't be disturbed, then a whole new argument is made.

Do you eat Organic Vegetables? Free range meat and Eggs?

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k

Sure, farmers have to shoot the occasional fox that's sniffing around their chicken pens but lets be honest here... the upper class men on horses do it for the thrill of the hunt and because it's tradition and they believe it's their 'right'.

You are partly right, but since the ban came in to place its mainly farmers that do the hunting. I have had 10 of my chickens killed, and only one taken away to be eaten a few years back. I think its thing's like that, that encourage the majority of hunters since the ban.

Well then in that case the ban worked and is a good thing.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt08
[quote]Originally posted by Magic

You're partly to blame because if you keep chickens then you should make sure that the area that they're in is secure and fox-proof.

But thats not nature :tongue:

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

Just to update you a few years ago that was banned. Now foxes can only be shot.

Fox hunting has been going on for about 400 years, and the fox population is still strong today.

Ok, so I assume you live in a house. This house was once a field, home to many animals. If you are saying that nature shouldn't be disturbed, then a whole new argument is made.

Do you eat Organic Vegetables? Free range meat and Eggs?

I know that it was banned a few years back, but I highly expect that farmers still fox hunt with the dogs and let the dogs wrip the fox apart.
There's a thing called green belt land in the countryside, so even if a house is built, there's usually plenty of land in the countryside where the poor sods can go and live.
I don't eat organic vegetables, because it's been proven that some organic food isn't actaully organic.
Although I do eat free range eggs, farmer's should ensure that the chickens are fairly safe from fox's without actually having to kill them.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Princess
Totally totally against it. Why should they be hunted? They're just as entitled to life as anyone else.
Unless your a strict vegetarian , an argument as black and white as that will fall flat on its arse though.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

Just to update you a few years ago that was banned. Now foxes can only be shot.

Fox hunting has been going on for about 400 years, and the fox population is still strong today.

Ok, so I assume you live in a house. This house was once a field, home to many animals. If you are saying that nature shouldn't be disturbed, then a whole new argument is made.

Do you eat Organic Vegetables? Free range meat and Eggs?

Erm, I'll answer your question. I eat my greens, and only get free-range because everything deserves the quality of life. Yes, where we live is where animals used to live, but back in those days human's didn't have the knowledge and technology we have today. And now we can't go back and change our history. But we can save today's animals...

[Magic]

Originally posted by Morpheus
. Do you think these rich toffs on horseback are hunting foxes for their love of community service or euthanasia? No! Its pleasure! Nothing more! A silly little sport for people with skin deep lives to play out back at the social club!
That's really just a sterotype.

Originally posted by Morpheus
Controls the population? Your speaking of it as it were an epidemic of foxes threatening to overrun our countrysides. Stops them from dying of diseases? How? By having a beagle rip its face off?

Controls the Population - Yes.
If the population wasn't controlled, then most would die of starvation in rural areas. That goes back to the food chain.

Stop them dieing of Disease - Yes
Back to the food chain, without the numbers controlled their immune system would be weaker, and they would be more liable to diesease and death.

Having a Beagle rip its face off - No
That was banned.

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As I mentioned earlier, I support this ban on hounds, as I think shooting is a more humane way of controlling the numbers.

[Princess]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Princess
Totally totally against it. Why should they be hunted? They're just as entitled to life as anyone else.
Unless your a strict vegetarian , an argument as black and white as that will fall flat on its **** though.

I am a vegetarian.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

Just to update you a few years ago that was banned. Now foxes can only be shot.

Fox hunting has been going on for about 400 years, and the fox population is still strong today.

Ok, so I assume you live in a house. This house was once a field, home to many animals. If you are saying that nature shouldn't be disturbed, then a whole new argument is made.

Do you eat Organic Vegetables? Free range meat and Eggs?

So effectively, you're saying you have as much right to fox hunt as we do to live in our house? Ridiculous...

[Matt10k]

Magic- you seem very concerned about controlling the fox population and stopping them dying from disease. Is this really the only reason you hunt?

Why do you concentrate on foxes? All animals get disease and could be prone to overpopulating (though I haven't heard anything to suggest that foxes need culling for this reason). Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt08

I know that it was banned a few years back, but I highly expect that farmers still fox hunt with the dogs and let the dogs wrip the fox apart.

Your right. As with all law's some people do try and get round it.

Originally posted by Matt08
There's a thing called green belt land in the countryside, so even if a house is built, there's usually plenty of land in the countryside where the poor sods can go and live.


What poor sods?

[Matt08]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt08

I know that it was banned a few years back, but I highly expect that farmers still fox hunt with the dogs and let the dogs wrip the fox apart.

Your right. As with all law's some people do try and get round it.

Originally posted by Matt08
There's a thing called green belt land in the countryside, so even if a house is built, there's usually plenty of land in the countryside where the poor sods can go and live.


What poor sods?

Poor sods= foxes

[Jake!]

One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were gonna die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
But does it make what you're doing anymore right because McDonalds kill animals too?

Of course not, but it stop's them dieing from disease, and controls the population. As I have seen fox's suffering from disease first hand, I think it's must better for the population to be controlled, and try to stop the spread of disease.

It's called NATURE and in my opinion it shouldn't be distrurbed. I would hate to be a fox and face being wripped apart by dogs because of a sport.

Just to update you a few years ago that was banned. Now foxes can only be shot.

Fox hunting has been going on for about 400 years, and the fox population is still strong today.

Ok, so I assume you live in a house. This house was once a field, home to many animals. If you are saying that nature shouldn't be disturbed, then a whole new argument is made.

Do you eat Organic Vegetables? Free range meat and Eggs?

So effectively, you're saying you have as much right to fox hunt as we do to live in our house? Ridiculous...

No of course not. I was just showing how Humans always have and always will change nature.

[Stu]

That's really just a sterotype.

A stereotype is born from majority. The majority of fox hunters ARE rich toffs on horseback.



If the population wasn't controlled, then most would die of starvation in rural areas.

And they survive the dog attacks and bullets? And again , its not for populaiton control they do it. Its for pleasure.



without the numbers controlled their immune system would be weaker, and they would be more liable to diesease and death.

Sort of like how they are dying anyway? And again , its not for populaiton control they do it. Its for pleasure.



Having a Beagle rip its face off - No. That was banned.

Which is what we are arguing. And yes , I agree with you on it being banned. My argument is against the afformentioned rich toffs , but im still against shooting them. Leave nature play itself out in this case.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Princess
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Princess
Totally totally against it. Why should they be hunted? They're just as entitled to life as anyone else.
Unless your a strict vegetarian , an argument as black and white as that will fall flat on its **** though.

I am a vegetarian.
Then I applaud you for resisting the juicy taste of bacon in the morning :tongue:.

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

[Matt10k]

Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

[Magic]

I'm off to eat.
And I am not a Vegetarian.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic
I'm off to eat.
And I am not a Vegetarian.

No one said be a vegetarian...

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

So Mr.KFC that kills thousands of chickens in the most inhumane way ever, is fair, because its to make money?

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare
Originally posted by Magic
I'm off to eat.
And I am not a Vegetarian.

No one said be a vegetarian...

No I just thought I should say it.

I hope I havent offended anyone.
BRB!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?
Aye. Probably the best point in the whole roundabout argument , and it has gone unanswered.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

So Mr.KFC that kills thousands of chickens in the most inhumane way ever, is fair, because its to make money?

Listen, Mr.KFC kills chickens in the most unbareable manor, but how'd you kill yours? How are yours killed hen they being prepared to be sold at Tesco 2 for £5...

[Magic]

Originally posted by NightMare
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by NightMare
One thing, yes they may die of natural corses but what, you find out you've got cancer then someone kills you, then in court that person says it don't matter they were going to die anyway... Tell me other than rubbish stories, what makes killing animals other than for necessary reasons, right?

So killing animals for testing hair products is right?
Again, thats another argument.

No, if you read my earlier posts, I deemed it wrong, their are plenty of humans who do it for money which is fair.

So Mr.KFC that kills thousands of chickens in the most inhumane way ever, is fair, because its to make money?

Listen, Mr.KFC kills chickens in the most unbareable manor, but how'd you kill yours? How are yours killed hen they being prepared to be sold at Tesco 2 for £5...

I dont kill my chickens. I just keep them because I like them as pets.

Just as a side topic, did you see all that Jamie Oliver and Hughs Chicken Run stuff on TV a while back. It was very good, and certainly changed the habits of our house.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

Well if you believe me or not then thats up to you. Those are my reasons for going hunting, wheather you believe it or not. Besides, thats not what we are talking about.

Why did I focus on foxes? Because its a topic we can all relate to, and many people have a reasonable knowlegde on.

Another example is Badgers. Should then be culled, in order to stop the spread of TB?

My evidence - Its simple. If their were more foxes, the food chain would be ruined, epecially in rural area's. Also, refer to my earlier posts, where I talked about how disease has spread in recent years since the hunt has stopped coming to my village.

[Tom]

I'm against fox hunting. No matter how high the population, everything which is born deserves a right to life, or at least a humane or natural death. Nobody should be allowed to take life away in such an inhumane way. I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick. How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way? The mind boggles.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

Originally posted by Tom_
How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way?

Unfortantely thats not they way many see it. Farmers may be angry when a fox breaks in to a field, and kill's their lambs or sheep.

[dupin]

It's stupid to say you're doing it to help the species though - and even in the slight chance that it's your motivation for it, it's definately not the reason why the massive majority of hunters do it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

Didn't you earlier in this thread say you go fox hunting and support it? Surely thats a contradiction? If you thought it was that sick then you wouldn't do it. You must get some sort of pleasure out of it.

Originally posted by Tom_
How on earth can someone get pleasure by shooting and killing a defenseless fox that has done no harm to you in any way?

Unfortantely thats not they way many see it. Farmers may be angry when a fox breaks in to a field, and kill's their lambs or sheep.

Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.

[Magic]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Originally posted by Tom_
Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.
Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde :tongue:

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Originally posted by Tom_
Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.
Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde :tongue:

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

But you do it for pleasure - you dont do just because otherwise ill foxes will die. If you claim that, it's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic
You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

But you continue to go fox hunting. Therefore you must get some sort of pleasure out of it because it isn't a compulsory thing to do.

I don't see how I can expand on my other point :puzzled:

[Conzors]

Killing Foxes, or any kind of animal for that matter is cruel. I dont see the point in killing them - Just to get a bit of a hobby out of them? How ridiculous is that? I mean fox hunting is cruel, they have just as miuch right to the land as we do, they were hre before us after all.

Conz x

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Originally posted by Tom_
Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.
Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde :tongue:

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

But you do it for pleasure - you dont do just because otherwise ill foxes will die. If you claim that, it's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

When hunting I see that I am helping the animals, and I havent myself witnessed a fox being killed, which I am glad about. The main reasons I go hunting is the reasons I said earlier, and its a way of me exercisig my pony on land I wouldnt be able to go on otherwise and to teach my pony jumping and stuff.

BTW i havent been hunting this season (year), and I only went once last season.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Tom_
I think for pleasure fox hunting is sick.

So do I.

You said for pleasure. I think hunting for PLEASURE is sick.

Originally posted by Tom_
Lets say your example is real. That farmer may not have woke up with the intention to go out killing foxes. That farmer will have done it as a spur of the moment thing and because the fox has killed some of his animals. He isn't going out into the woods to kill foxes on purpose, foxes that have done nothing to him. He isn't doing it for pleasure.
Can you expand that, because I dont really know the main points your saying. Sorry, I'll blame it on being blonde :tongue:

This isn't directly aimed at you Tom, but many people in this thread dont really have much of a understanding of countryside life.

But you do it for pleasure - you dont do just because otherwise ill foxes will die. If you claim that, it's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

When hunting I see that I am helping the animals, and I havent myself witnessed a fox being killed, which I am glad about. The main reasons I go hunting is the reasons I said earlier, and its a way of me exercisig my pony on land I wouldnt be able to go on otherwise and to teach my pony jumping and stuff.

BTW i havent been hunting this season (year), and I only went once last season.

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*

Some people do beleive it or not.
Why not go and see for yourself.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*

Some people do beleive it or not.
Why not go and see for yourself.

Wouldn't it more helpful to actually treat the foxes as opposed to just killing them, if helping them was the only reason for fox hunting?

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin
Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by dupin

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*

Some people do beleive it or not.
Why not go and see for yourself.

Wouldn't it more helpful to actually treat the foxes as opposed to just killing them, if helping them was the only reason for fox hunting?

That's a good point, but then how would the foxes manage to survive with the amount of food availabe?

[Scarlett.]

I watched a programme called "Meet the Natives" in January, and these people from a tropical island where puzzled why we where chasing a mechanical fox (Quad) and said we should go back to our old way as we are trying to forget our roots

I agree with him

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by Matt10k
Magic, why won't you answer my point regarding why you choose to focus on foxes? Other animals get diseases and are prone to overpopulation. Where is your evidence that foxes need culling for overpopulation reasons and do you really expect me to believe you kill foxes for the reasons you have stated?

Well if you believe me or not then thats up to you. Those are my reasons for going hunting, wheather you believe it or not. Besides, thats not what we are talking about.

Why did I focus on foxes? Because its a topic we can all relate to, and many people have a reasonable knowlegde on.

Another example is Badgers. Should then be culled, in order to stop the spread of TB?

My evidence - Its simple. If their were more foxes, the food chain would be ruined, epecially in rural area's. Also, refer to my earlier posts, where I talked about how disease has spread in recent years since the hunt has stopped coming to my village.

But you stated several times how foxes need to be ‘culled’ to prevent overpopulation but this is simply not true.

What do you think it was like before people went fox hunting? Foxes everywhere?! lol

Also, every other animal on the planet (including humans!) spreads disease but I don’t see you out killing them!

Since when has that been an excuse to shoot anything anyway? As someone stated earlier, if you really cared that much, maybe you should become a vet!

So basically, I fail to see how you are helping by killing an animal that does not need to be culled for overpopulation reasons and also by focusing on it because it spreads disease when every other animal on the planet spreads disease...

[Tom]

You claim to go not for pleasure but to "help the animals". I don't see how killing an animal is helping it. Also, you are still doing it for pleasure. Although it isn't direct pleasure, you are still getting pleasure from thinking you are helping the animals.

I'd also like to add at this point your contributions such as "I haven't been hunting this season" are not adequate and IMO do not justify what you are doing. You still go out with intentions to kill foxes, albeit not much but you still do. Whether or not you have seen a fox die is also irrelevant. You go out with intentions to kill foxes, or "help" them.

Humans are currently entering a population crisis, in some parts its already a massive problem. Should humans be culled like you want foxes to be culled to control population? I don't see why there is a difference.

[Sunny_01]

If you have a good look around the web at pro-hunting sites you will see Magic that hunting is a sport! not a mechanism to simply look out for the poor foxes!

Also it is interesting to note that only 36% of the uk population are in favour of a ban! the hunt chases foxes, Deer, stoats, hare and mink.

I am not opposed to the chase it is the end that I am opposed to, I think that once an animal goes to ground that should be it, but no they send in the terriers to dig them out so they can continue with the kill.

[Stu]

On an ironic note with all the rubbish in this thread about 'helping' and 'culling' foxes , us humans are natures worst offenders. We cannot establish equilibrium with our environment. We move , consume , rape everything of its resources , and move again.

[bananarama]

Fox hunters always spin the same spin. They do it to protect live stock. Lie one.. They do it to protect against disease. Lie two. They do it to protect the fox against starvation. Lie three.......

The truth is fox hunters do it because they are sadistic enough to be entertained by the bloody death of an animal.
The cruel heart bursting chase and the gore afterwards is how they get their kicks.....All other stated reasons are a pathetic excuse for doing something that is plain evil.....

The fox ban law as it stand is bad law because the government part caved in to pressure groups from the sadistic brigade who enjoy the slaughter.

Killing for food is at least a basic survival in natures happening. Killing for pleasure is pointless. sadistic and its sad that such people have not got better things to do than savage animals for sick enetrtainment....

As for the harm foxes may or may not do. a civilised humane way would be a controlled cull by those trained. ( Not farmers taking pot shots like amatuer shooters on a fair ground shooting range)

The money squandered on sadistic fox hunting could well be spent on doing a humane cull where needed to protect live stock.

As for killing animals because they spread disease. Well don't most animals have some disease or another including humans...Should we cull humans that get deadly infections to protect other humans!!!!. Of course not. Disease is not a reason to kill it is a reason to treat and find a cure.....

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
If you have a good look around the web at pro-hunting sites you will see Magic that hunting is a sport! not a mechanism to simply look out for the poor foxes!

Also it is interesting to note that only 36% of the uk population are in favour of a ban! the hunt chases foxes, Deer, stoats, hare and mink.

I am not opposed to the chase it is the end that I am opposed to, I think that once an animal goes to ground that should be it, but no they send in the terriers to dig them out so they can continue with the kill.


I don't know why you are not opposed to the chase also!!!. Would you find it fun to be chased by a pack of mad dogs until your heart felt like it was bursting and experience the fear of your life. I think not.

The chase is every bit as sadistic and cruel as is the kill itself.....

[spitfire]

Fox hunting is ou dated,vicious,cruel and barbaric.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Sunny_01
If you have a good look around the web at pro-hunting sites you will see Magic that hunting is a sport! not a mechanism to simply look out for the poor foxes!

Also it is interesting to note that only 36% of the uk population are in favour of a ban! the hunt chases foxes, Deer, stoats, hare and mink.

I am not opposed to the chase it is the end that I am opposed to, I think that once an animal goes to ground that should be it, but no they send in the terriers to dig them out so they can continue with the kill.


I don't know why you are not opposed to the chase also!!!. Would you find it fun to be chased by a pack of mad dogs until your heart felt like it was bursting and experience the fear of your life. I think not.

The chase is every bit as sadistic and cruel as is the kill itself.....

Sorry Bananarama, I think I missed the point I was attempting to make, I did earlier mention that you could hunt successfuly with drag scent and I was referring to this being something I am not opposed to I kind of mixed up 2 points I was trying to make, one that they even send dogs to dig them out and the other that they could hunt without chasing animals. If they have to blunder around the countryside doing something then this seems the way forward IMO. I cant believe I put it across that I was in any way pro-hunting of animals because I am not. Hope that clears things up :dance2: My bad for having a one of those days!!

[Christina]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x

[MR.K!]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

[Christina]

Originally posted by KRA!G
Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes ! Thanks. Yeah they really should be ripped apart themselves! x

[Nicky.]

Personally, I think the ban should be banned. - and Fox Hunting allowed
I know that it keeps Fox numbers down and everything, but the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x

[Magic]

Originally posted by KRA!G
Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

I've hunted... So fire up :bawling:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by KRA!G
Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

I've hunted... So fire up :bawling:

Well to be fair, you have done the exact same thing to a defenseless fox which has done no harm to you in the first place.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x

Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?

Originally posted by spitfire
Fox hunting is ou dated,vicious,cruel and barbaric.

Sums it up perfectly.

[Christina]

Originally posted by Magic
Originally posted by KRA!G
Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x
Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all. Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

I've hunted... So fire up :bawling: Ok im not going to have a go at you in any way.. although i dont agree with it .. but what fun did u get out of it ..??

[Nicky.]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?


What about the foxes prey?
The Sheep, Rabbits etc

Foxes eat them like there a never ending supply.. so surely killing one fox saves a whole other bunch of animals....?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?


What about the foxes prey?
The Sheep, Rabbits etc

Foxes eat them like there a never ending supply.. so surely killing one fox saves a whole other bunch of animals....?
Its nature for them. Not for us. Thats the difference. We dont need to kill foxes , we are supposed to be a relativly civilised race.

[Christina]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?


What about the foxes prey?
The Sheep, Rabbits etc

Foxes eat them like there a never ending supply.. so surely killing one fox saves a whole other bunch of animals....?
Its nature for them. Not for us. Thats the difference. We dont need to kill foxes , we are supposed to be a relativly civilised race. Yeah i agree.. and its not only foxes who eat them, humans do too but we dont get shot down and killed for it x

[KawaiiSakura1]

i think people who go fox hunting should be ripped apart by dogs or shot. Since they do that to the poor fox's.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Spike
Fox hunting is cruel and nasty, there is no need for it at all.

Thank you! I was reading through this thread and was worried no one would say it.

[kerri]

3 words, NO absolutely not xx

[bigbr0ther]

I always love your posts bananarama.

I agree with all of the people here who said that fox hunting is barbaric and disgusting no matter WHAT method is used. It doesn't help the foxes at all, and that is just an excuse for this disgusting, sadistic behavior. Humans are way more overpopulated than foxes (WAY more!) and yet no one says we should kill them off. Why? Because population control is NOT the real reason for fox hunting.

[Magic]

Bump, for my views which I cba to re type later!

[Hugo]

Originally posted by KawaiiSakura1
i think people who go fox hunting should be ripped apart by dogs or shot. Since they do that to the poor fox's.

Fox's rip pregnant chickens apart because they are pregnant for no reason whatsoever.

[Leonine]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Fox's rip pregnant chickens apart because they are pregnant for no reason whatsoever.

For no reason whatsoever? I thought chickens got pregnant so they could have babies? :conf:

[KawaiiSakura1]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by KawaiiSakura1
i think people who go fox hunting should be ripped apart by dogs or shot. Since they do that to the poor fox's.

Fox's rip pregnant chickens apart because they are pregnant for no reason whatsoever. fox's eat to you know:rolleyes:

[Markymark]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by KawaiiSakura1
i think people who go fox hunting should be ripped apart by dogs or shot. Since they do that to the poor fox's.

Fox's rip pregnant chickens apart because they are pregnant for no reason whatsoever.


Even if that's true, it's a ridiculous comparison. Unlike humans, foxes don't have the power of conscious thought, same as any other animal.

Fox hunting has always been the rich man's cock/dog fighting, that's why it wasn't banned much earlier. There's no need for it in a civilised society.

[VicKyyKciV]

I hate fox hunters :mad: but even more i hate that horn they blow into, that really does my nut in ****ing killers.