Drugs

[Mrluvaluva]

In the light of cannabis being kept as a class C drug, I wondered what everyones stance was on british drug laws. What are your views?

[Red Moon]

Cannabis aside, they basically aren't hard enough and the laws aren't well thought out.

One only has to look how celebrities get away with drug taking to see how easy the law is on drug takers. Celebrities should have the book thrown at them if they are known to be taking class A drugs. These people are role models for youngsters.

And while I am at it, any decent Government should clean up those City types that run the stock market with noeses full of coke.

[Callum]

I have a funny turn whenever someone mentions the word "heroin" and I see a picture of someone misusing a needle for drugs. It makes me feel sick, it's a real phobia. I think a huge crackdown should be done on drugs, their horrible things that rot away people's lives.

[Legend]

I think it's a tough one. If addicted then yeah, they potentially ruin your life and it doesn't take a lot to get addicted so in that sense, if they were legalised then they'd be so much easier to get hold of so more people are going to get hooked, which obviously isn't good. But at the same time, alchohol is legal and can potentially ruin your life if you get dependant on it ... but then I couldn't imagine walking into the newagents and asking for a bag of coke. Weed, I'd say that should become legal purely for the fact it's been proven to be a good pain relief.

As for drugs, for personal use, every so often then I don't see the big deal. I contradict myself because I don't think you should be arrested and charged if using them for personal use but obviously drug dealers is a different story and I'd say they should, purely as they intentionally get people hooked. The odd spliff, the occasional line when you're out ... I personally don't see the big deal and hate people who frown upon it. Especially coke, it's a good 20/30 minute high with no side effects ... can the same be said for alcohol?

It's a tough one though in regards to the legal system.

[MrGaryy]

I'm all for drugs lol just kidding. I think there a lot of room for improvement.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Cannabis aside, they basically aren't hard enough and the laws aren't well thought out.

One only has to look how celebrities get away with drug taking to see how easy the law is on drug takers. Celebrities should have the book thrown at them if they are known to be taking class A drugs. These people are role models for youngsters.

And while I am at it, any decent Government should clean up those City types that run the stock market with noeses full of coke.

Why though? Yeah they are "role models" but it's their choice. If they want to take drugs for personal use then hey, leave them to it. I doubt any person with an ounce of common sense will see their favourite singer taking drugs and think "I like their music so I'll take drugs too" :puzzled: ... fair enough celebrities put themselves in the public eye but what they get upto away from the limelight is their business. Fair enough news stories and pictures in magazines come out but I doubt they intentionally go out looking for "X in drug fuelled sex romp" headlines.

I do think they are frowned upon too much.

[Tom]

There are celebrities who openly use them in the public eye but nothing happens. A normal person is caught with some in their back pocket with no evidence of them even taking it and they are fined or sent down for god knows how long.

I'm all for occasional use, I don't see the harm in it because its something done every now and again without doing any harm to anyone else, but those addicted to it should be sorted out mentally and legally. Those people who are addicted are harming themselves and others around them.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by Red Moon
Cannabis aside, they basically aren't hard enough and the laws aren't well thought out.

One only has to look how celebrities get away with drug taking to see how easy the law is on drug takers. Celebrities should have the book thrown at them if they are known to be taking class A drugs. These people are role models for youngsters.

And while I am at it, any decent Government should clean up those City types that run the stock market with noeses full of coke.

Why though? Yeah they are "role models" but it's their choice. If they want to take drugs for personal use then hey, leave them to it. I doubt any person with an ounce of common sense will see their favourite singer taking drugs and think "I like their music so I'll take drugs too" :puzzled: ... fair enough celebrities put themselves in the public eye but what they get upto away from the limelight is their business. Fair enough news stories and pictures in magazines come out but I doubt they intentionally go out looking for "X in drug fuelled sex romp" headlines.

I do think they are frowned upon too much.

I agree, especially as nicotine and alcohol are the two most damaging drugs you can take, although they are perfectly legal and not frowned upon to the extent that other drugs are.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tom_
There are celebrities who openly use them in the public eye but nothing happens. A normal person is caught with some in their back pocket with no evidence of them even taking it and they are fined or sent down for god knows how long.


Oh definately, whilst the law is as it is then celebrities should be treated like everybody else. But that's for another debate as celebrities generally get away with a lot more than the general public anyway, unfortunately.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Legend
I do think they are frowned upon too much.

But some of the people that see Celebrities as role models take things too far. Look at Chanelle from BB8, she is so utterly obsessed with Victoria Beckham that if Victoria stuffed coke up her nose she would be doing it too. Chanelle is the sort of person that wears that barnd knickers as her idol, so much so if she could get hold of a real pair of her knickers would put them on clean or not.

People in the public eye need to be made an example of. It's no good just just doing the kids on the streets for taking drugs when the famous people and the people with money get away with it. That is how it seems in this country.

One law for the rich and another for the poor.

[Tom]

I'd say there were only a small handful of people who are like Chanelle. You don't see people like her every day. To have a squeaky clean image on celebrities would just be pointless and defeats the concept of individuality, but I do agree in the sense that they should be treated like everyone else.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Tom_
I'd say there were only a small handful of people who are like Chanelle. You don't see people like her every day.

I agree that only a handful of people are as extreme as Chanelle, but it only takes one person to die because they follow a Celebrities life style to die a pointless death, to ask the question if these people shouldn't be shamed in the press?

I feel they should. They can me made an example of. Hopefully then someones life might be saved.

The law thinks Celebrities have a hard life and should get away with things. The point is they decided they wanted the Celebrity life style and with it comes responsibilities. One of those is not to take class A drugs and get away with it. What sort of message does that send to young people?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Tom_
I'd say there were only a small handful of people who are like Chanelle. You don't see people like her every day.

I agree that only a handful of people are as extreme as Chanelle, but it only takes one person to die because they follow a Celebrities life style to die a pointless death, to ask the question if these people shouldn't be shamed in the press?

I feel they should. They can me made an example of. Hopefully then someones life might be saved.

The law thinks Celebrities have a hard life and should get away with things. The point is they decided they wanted the Celebrity life style and with it comes responsibilities. One of those is not to take class A drugs and get away with it. What sort of message does that send to young people?

I mis-interpreted one of your posts. I initially thought you meant they shouldn't take them at all which I don't think its true as its their lives and if they are willing to face the consequences then fair enough but I've realised that you actually meant they should face the consequences and not get away with it like most are at the minute. Pete Docherty for example. 14 weeks in prison, he'll be out in 7. Any ordindary person would have been given at least 2 years but with the celebrity culture these days its mandatory for them to have some sort of disorder or problems earlier on which excuses them from being punished. I do agree, its why the British justice system is becoming a laughing stock and is becoming abused by pretty much everyone. Rules have to be applied consistently and I agree that celebrities should be named and shamed in the media- it might force them to get their act together whilst showing people what addiction can do. But having said all of that, I still don't oppose casual/occasional use (non-addiction), but if someone is caught then they should face the consequences although I do believe its frowned upon too much when there are worse legal drugs.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Tom_
I'd say there were only a small handful of people who are like Chanelle. You don't see people like her every day.

I agree that only a handful of people are as extreme as Chanelle, but it only takes one person to die because they follow a Celebrities life style to die a pointless death, to ask the question if these people shouldn't be shamed in the press?

I feel they should. They can me made an example of. Hopefully then someones life might be saved.

The law thinks Celebrities have a hard life and should get away with things. The point is they decided they wanted the Celebrity life style and with it comes responsibilities. One of those is not to take class A drugs and get away with it. What sort of message does that send to young people?

Yeah I understand there are people like that out there but more fool them for lacking any common sense and intelligence. I don't see why celebrities shouldn't be entitled to do what they want behind closed doors, however, I agree about them getting away with it ... if we don't get away with it then they shouldn't.

[Daniel__]

OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

[Stu]

Lets not get our drugs mixed up before we go any further , for some of the more naive members bound to post on about how drugs destroy lives. Be careful not to generalise. Yes their are bad drugs but some are good. Its almost embarrassing having to get cautioned for smoking a joint , and then come home and watch advertisments on the TV telling me to get drunk. We have a moral right to disobey unjust laws , and its simply a matter of time before a lot of European citys will become as tolerant as your average Amsterdam.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend

I don't think you should be arrested and charged if using them for personal use but obviously drug dealers is a different story and I'd say they should, purely as they intentionally get people hooked.



Whatever drugs you use, they all come from dealers, and you will always have dealers while drugs are illegal. The only way you can get the numbers down, is to legalise drugs, and I don't think that is a good idea at all.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Legend

I don't think you should be arrested and charged if using them for personal use but obviously drug dealers is a different story and I'd say they should, purely as they intentionally get people hooked.



Whatever drugs you use, they all come from dealers, and you will always have dealers while drugs are illegal. The only way you can get the numbers down, is to legalise drugs, and I don't think that is a good idea at all.

Arguably, there is no problem to legalise drugs. The two most dangerous drugs you can take are nicotine and alcohol, yet they are the ones that are legal.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

Arguably, there is no problem to legalise drugs. The two most dangerous drugs you can take are nicotine and alcohol, yet they are the ones that are legal.


Not true. Alcohol and nicotine are more addictive than cannabis, and are more harmful for you. What about heroin or ecstasy? You cannot overdose by smoking too many cigarettes in one go. It is possible to die from drinking too much in one session, but this is not a common case. Would you condone the legalisation of heroin then? Don't you think this would make it readily available for everyone and then how many drugs overdoses would we be facing?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Tom_

Arguably, there is no problem to legalise drugs. The two most dangerous drugs you can take are nicotine and alcohol, yet they are the ones that are legal.


Not true. Alcohol and nicotine are more addictive than cannabis, and are more harmful for you. What about heroin or ecstasy? You cannot overdose by smoking too many cigarettes in one go. It is possible to die from drinking too much in one session, but this is not a common case. Would you condone the legalisation of heroin then? Don't you think this would make it readily available for everyone and then how many drugs overdoses would we be facing?

But the thing is with alcohol and nicotine you need more which causes more long term damage, but with other drugs you don't so you are actually less likely to overdose because one dose is sufficient. I'm not saying they should be legalised, which I don't think they should be, but if they were ever to be then I wouldn't see a major problem with it especially if they were regulated.

[~Kizwiz~]

I have mixed views on drugs. I had my first spliff at 14 and my first line of speed when I was 16. I used drugs recreationally for a few years. Then I moved down south and started to smoke skunk almost every day. It was a hazy 10 years. In the first few years I took a mixture of E's and speed when out too and then blitz the smoke on a comedown to ease the pain. I didnt do speed/E's from when I was about 25 because I didnt like the comedown anymore. It wasnt worth the buzz.

Then I found that coke didnt have the comedown, and it was fun and made my nerves go and my confidence bigger.

Circumstances made me leave my home and with it my growing coke addiction. Now the only thing I touch is alcohol. My life just doesnt fit the old lifestyle.

I would legalise weed/skunk/solid in a heartbeat. Simply because like others have said in this thread its not really harming anyone. Yes there are side effects which can effect some people physiologically but so can a lot of other things like alcohol and prescription drugs. I would rather meet a stoned person in the street then a drunk one simply because you dont get violent of puff.

With regards to the other more harder drugs, i think it would be easier to control what people are taking if it was legalised and monitored in the correct way.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

But the thing is with alcohol and nicotine you need more which causes more long term damage, but with other drugs you don't so you are actually less likely to overdose because one dose is sufficient.

So other drugs like heroin are not addictive? Can heroin not cause long term damage? You are less likely to OD on heroin than nicotine?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Tom_

But the thing is with alcohol and nicotine you need more which causes more long term damage, but with other drugs you don't so you are actually less likely to overdose because one dose is sufficient.

So other drugs like heroin are not addictive? Can heroin not cause long term damage? You are less likely to OD on heroin than nicotine?

I meant you need more in the one go whereas with nicotine and alcohol you keep going. I never said they aren't addictive.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Dannyboi
OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

I know tons of people who smoke weed, and used to smoke a lot of it myself. I hold down a responsible job, and so do all of my friends. It's not just the stereotypical chavs you refer to who smoke it.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

I meant you need more in the one go whereas with nicotine and alcohol you keep going. I never said they aren't addictive.


Noted and agreed. You said "with alcohol and nicotine you need more which causes more long term damage, but with other drugs you don't"

That to me said with other drugs you don't need more, meaning that they were not addictive.

[Ruth]

All from Bill Hicks....

"Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

"I have never seen two people on pot get in a fight because it is ****ing IMPOSSIBLE. "Hey, buddy!" "Hey, what?" "Ummmmmmm...." End of argument."

"If you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, then go home and burn all your records, all your tapes, and all your CDs because every one of those artists who have made brilliant music and enhanced your lives? RrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrEAL ****ing high on drugs. The Beatles were so ****ing high they let Ringo sing a few songs."

I don't do hard drugs - never have, never will. I don't smoke anymore, and I rarely drink. But as far as I'm concerned, people should be able to put what they want into their bodies - the key is that they should know the potential consequences.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dannyboi
OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

Not all people who smoke are chavs.

I smoked it for year and still managed to get up every morning and work

[Mrluvaluva]

I have smoked cannabis and I have even done coke. I would never dream of taking heroin though or even doing E. That's my personal choice. I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though. I also would not put anything into my body that I thought could harm me.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I have smoked cannabis and I have even done coke. I would never dream of taking heroin though or even doing E. That's my personal choice. I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though. I also would not put anything into my body that I thought could harm me.

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

It was taken in a small amount and I only did it once. If I thought something could kill me then I would not do it. It did nothing for me anyway.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

It was taken in a small amount and I only did it once. If I thought something could kill me then I would not do it. It did nothing for me anyway.

Its not a bad thing that you tried it and you don't have to justify it; most people probably will have tried something by the time they are 20.

[Mrluvaluva]

What drugs do to you

Almost half of 16 to 24-year-olds living in England and Wales have tried illegal drugs. But the five most commonly taken substances all pose serious dangers.

For the people who take them, illegal drugs can be a serious problem. They're responsible for between 1,300 and 1,400 deaths a year in Britain. But that's not the end of the damage that drugs do. They also wreck thousands of relationships, families, and careers.

According to the 2006/07 British Crime Survey, the five most commonly used drugs in Britain are:

1. Cannabis
The survey found that 8.2% of 16 to 59-year-olds reported using cannabis in the last year. There's evidence of a link between cannabis and mental health problems, such as schizophrenia. Research has shown that smoking cannabis joints is even more damaging to lungs than smoking cigarettes. Long-term use can cause lung disease and cancer. Cannabis use can also cause lack of motivation and paranoia.

2. Cocaine
This is the second most commonly used drug, with 2.6% of respondents admitting to having taken cocaine in 2006/07. Cocaine is highly addictive. People who are young and healthy can have a fit or heart attack after taking too much coke. It can also cause panic attacks.

3. Ecstasy
The study revealed that 1.8% of 16 to 59-year-olds had taken ecstasy in the last year, although its use is decreasing. Ecstasy can cause panic attacks or psychotic states. There have been over 200 ecstasy-related deaths in the UK since 1996 and ecstasy has been linked to liver, kidney and heart problems.

4. Hallucinogens
The report found that 1.5% of participants had used hallucinogens (including LSD and magic mushrooms), which are Class A drugs. Even possession can get you up to seven years in jail. The side-effects, which are random and occasionally very frightening, may include flashbacks.

5. Amphetamines
Amphetamine use was recorded among 1.3% of 16 to 59-year-olds. The number of people dealt with for offences involving amphetamines, also known as ‘speed’, has dropped dramatically in the past five years. Amphetamines are very addictive and the comedown can make you feel lousy and depressed. They put a strain on your heart and users have died from overdosing.


Source (http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pages/Drugsoverview.aspx)

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though.

I've only smoked in public once, and that was at the Ashton Court Festival in Bristol. Its was the weirdest feeling because everyone was smoking it around us too and there was tons of police about but it was so relaxed that they didnt give a damn

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

Its not a bad thing that you tried it and you don't have to justify it; most people probably will have tried something by the time they are 20.

I am not justifying it, I am just making a clearer picture. The reason I would not try ecstasy is the fact that it I have read stories of people dying after taking it. There are some statistics ^^^^^

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

I dont believe they are, they are both addictive but in different ways.

Coke is physically and mentally addictive, your body craves it,

E's on the other hand is mentally addictive. You use it and then you get addicted the to buzz, in a club for example, if you have used pills then you know that once you hear the beat in a club, your mind takes over and you crave the rush, the loved up feeling and the warmth and happiness that you get when you've done a pill.

Its hard to go clubbing without pills once you have done them

[Tom]

Those statistics are incredibly biased and I can tell that by just reading the first point on cannabis. They fail to outline advantages such as its medical use and the ability to make sufferers of arthritis or angina (I can't remember which one) feel more comfortable.

[Mrluvaluva]

Arthritis, MS etc. A lot of cannabis users actually roll it with tobacco which actually does make it more harmful than smoking it alone.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

I dont believe they are, they are both addictive but in different ways.

Coke is physically and mentally addictive, your body craves it,

E's on the other hand is mentally addictive. You use it and then you get addicted the to buzz, in a club for example, if you have used pills then you know that once you hear the beat in a club, your mind takes over and you crave the rush, the loved up feeling and the warmth and happiness that you get when you've done a pill.

Its hard to go clubbing without pills once you have done them

But there is evidence to suggest people are less dependent on E's than people are on coke but I'm not denying that both are addictive.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dannyboi
OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

The smokers are not only chavs: politicians and buisnessmen also smoke weed and stuff. And they even take Cocaine.

[Dr43%er]

It bugs me when people say smoking pot leads to taking harder drugs. This can happen but I think this is because you buy from a dealer, so you can come in contact with harder stuff. If you were to buy your pot from a shop then you would not be offered anything else.

Myself, I started on LSD. I stopped after I had a bad trip and started having flash backs.

I then tried coke once. It was so good I have never touched it again. I could see myself getting in trouble with it.

I then moved to speed. I was mentally addicted to it. I could not go clubbing without it. I was going 60 hours plus without sleep every weekend for a few years. I had to stop as my body could not take it. So I stopped clubbing for a while.

I now very rarely have a spliff. To give you an idea how rarely, I have not had a smoke since Reading festival last summer.

Drink is my drug of choice.

[Glenn.]

The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

[Tom]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

You see, thats one of the stereotypes. Many drug takers actually have quite good jobs and their careers are ruined because of it.

[Stu]

For the record on the chav thing , most of them dont smoke weed in the first place. What they smoke it more glass fibre than grass. Absoloute rubbish. Gritweed can cause serious , serious damage , and its production is a direct concequence of weed still being illegal. Legalise weed and it becomes safer over night.

As for other drugs , I have never touched speed , coke , or heroin. I can envision myself falling in to trying them at least once , save for heroin. Thats just an absoloute no-no.

Hallucinogens are a tricky one. How do you legalise something like acid? Your experience entirely depends on you. Its extremely tricky , but a controlled environment is a nessecity. Much of the current populaiton is almost too idiotic to be trusted with a psychedellic.

E's are also tricky. I never found them addictive. In fact , I found them boring after awhile. But surely their are ways to produce them safely as a harmless party pill. Not the rat poison currently ingested as a direct result of them being against the law. For the record , most legal high pills that mimic the effects of ecstacy , and are completely legal , are far , far more dangerous than the real thing.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Legend

I don't think you should be arrested and charged if using them for personal use but obviously drug dealers is a different story and I'd say they should, purely as they intentionally get people hooked.



Whatever drugs you use, they all come from dealers, and you will always have dealers while drugs are illegal. The only way you can get the numbers down, is to legalise drugs, and I don't think that is a good idea at all.

I know, that's why I said I contradict myself. Of course all drugs come from a dealer somewhere down the line, but I was refering to the ones who intentionally get people hooked on them. But then obviously drug dealers don't care who gets hooked if it's making them money, so it's a hard thing to debate. But at the same time, I don't see why people should be arrested and potentially sent to prison for taking drugs, it's a personal decision.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend

I know, that's why I said I contradict myself. Of course all drugs come from a dealer somewhere down the line, but I was refering to the ones who intentionally get people hooked on them. But then obviously drug dealers don't care who gets hooked if it's making them money, so it's a hard thing to debate. But at the same time, I don't see why people should be arrested and potentially sent to prison for taking drugs, it's a personal decision.

There are no easy answers to this one. I am actually for the legalisation of cannabis. It is less harmful and addictive than tobacco or alcohol. It can ease pain in ME sufferers etc. You cannot overdose on it. It does not necessarily lead on to harder drugs. If it did become legal though, it would be taxed and the price would most probably rocket.

I actually read an article in The Metro the other week where it said that a line of coke was now actually cheaper than a pint of beer.

[GiRTh]

I think the UK drug laws are OK except for the alcohol and tobacco. I find it strange that the two most lethal drugs are legal and will always be legal.

I've done most drugs except for the very hard stuff. I understand why such drugs are illegal. What I dont understand is why the sentences are so harsh.

[Harry!]

Drugs are a bad thing.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing. Even the drugs that save lives?

[Harry!]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing. Even the drugs that save lives?

Drugs like Cocaine are bad not medicine.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Posted
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing. Even the drugs that save lives?

Drugs like Cocaine are bad not medicine. It's all drugs.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.
Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ****ed.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic.
They do need the drugs. Thats what a heavy physical addiction is all about , so dont be so ignorant. This is not me sympathising with hard drug addicts by the way.

And a pull of a joint? This is what your argument is based around? Drugs are all equally worthless for everyone because you had a pull off a joint and got nothing out of it?

Weed it not a heavy drug. A single pull will get you all the buzz of a box of silk cut blues. Nothing more.

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.
Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ******.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Why do I always start rows?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Posted
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.
Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ******.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Why do I always start rows?
I would not call it a row. Its a debate. After all , this is a serious debate thread.

So can you answer my question?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Posted

Why do I always start rows?

Its a debate

[Harry!]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Posted
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.
Dangerous words. If the masses think like this , we are all ******.

Can you at least give an educated opinion instead of being so vague about it?

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Why do I always start rows?
I would not call it a row. Its a debate. After all , this is a serious debate thread.

So can you answer my question?

Sorry.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Morpheus

I smoke a joint. I get dizzy , laugh a bit , consume more chocolate than I normaly would , fall asleep , wake up the next morning without a hangover.

Now tell me whats bad about that.

Thats exactly why I smoked for years.... in a strange way I found it much more social too.

All my mates smoked so we would just crash round and smoke till dawn then stumble home after having a hilarious evening of side splitting fun

[MarkWaldorf]

I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.

There are people at my school who want to fit in with crowds which aren't nessacerily the best and feel taking drugs (like them) gets them accepted. It doesn't, it just makes them stupid.

People who take drugs as a medical aid, I feel sorry for. It is unfair that sometimes the only beneficial treatment is taking these drugs. But if it benefits, then that's an option they should take. That's the difference between taking drugs for the sake of it and taking drugs for treatment.

[Stu]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.

Have you ignored most of the thread , do you have any knowledge of drugs , or are you just going to listen to your own , uneducated side of the story? 90% of the time , 99% if you are talking about cannabis , no harm comes from drugs. Its an illogical thing to say. Each time you cross a road your putting your life at risk. Each time you cut a sandwich your putting your life at risk. Each time you walk down the stairs your putting your life at risk. Its the same odds.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.



I take it you don't drink or smoke then?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'. There's nothing fun about putting a huge risk on your body, or even worse, your life at all.



I take it you don't drink or smoke then?

Nah, lol.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by MarkChap©

Nah, lol.

Why do I not believe you? :wink:

[Stu]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by MarkChap©

Nah, lol.

Why do I not believe you? :wink:
Why would anybody want to debate about Alcohol or Nicotine? After all , their legal , so users are not putting their lives on the line using those fun , clean , government taxed drugs I guess :rolleyes:.

[Red Moon]

Just a gentle reminder to watch how you talk to each other and watch the tone of your replies. Be careful not insult each other or belittle other peoples views even if they are extreme or different from your own. Treat everyone with repect.

Red

[Legend]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
I don't have time for anyone who uses drugs for 'fun'.

It baffles me when people say stuff like that. If one of your good friends said they used drugs now and again, for a bit of "fun" would you wash your hands of them?

Taking drugs doesn't make you a bad person, a stupid person or anything else. It's a personal choice, and that Bill Hicks quote above ^^, so true. It is absolutely nobody elses business, unless it is somehow effecting you then why frown upon it and think less of people who do it?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Legend

Taking drugs doesn't make you a bad person, a stupid person or anything else. It's a personal choice, and that Bill Hicks quote above ^^, so true. It is absolutely nobody elses business, unless it is somehow effecting you then why frown upon it and think less of people who do it?

Agreed, if you washed your hands of everyone that did drugs, alcohol and tobacco must also be included, then thats almost everyone :puzzled:

[Shaun]

I think people are a bit ruthless when it comes to labelling all drug takers as filthy addicts and wastes of space. I know many, many people who've taken drugs, and I can see past that fact since they're friends of mine.

However, I hate drug addiction and the things it leads you to do. My older brother is, and has been for roughly 10 years now, a heroin addict, and has been in prison, rehab...none of it's worked.

A lot of it depends on the area you're brought up in. Torquay appears, to those who don't know it, rather sunny and nice - but it's horrible. Drugs, crime, alcohol-consumption, unemployment are all rife...and it's a dangerous environment to bring up children in - as my brother has found out the hard way.

The things he's done in order to feed his addiction are horrible. He's stolen money, jewellery, phones, other items from my mother, myself, and other family members to sell for drugs. It's hard to forgive someone who's that close to you for doing that, but I don't think I'll ever come close to understanding the mind of an addict, as I've never been addicted. That's why I'd never touch drugs.

Stu raises an interesting point about alcohol and cigarettes, though. I happily drink every weekend or two, although I've never smoked regularly (the odd one at a party, yes). It's a bit odd how there's such a taboo around drugs like cocaine, heroin, ecstacy etc. but not these.

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:

OK I didnt make myself clear. Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them. They fall under the catergorie of Asylum Seekers in my opinion, and that is a debate on its own. But these days its kids that are on the drugs..WHY? They dont look big, it may certainly feel like they are. But my question is.. Surely something isnt that bad to turn to drugs for an answer?
The majority of people nowadays start taking drugs because their friends say its a good buzz, in my opinion they should either sort themselves out or just be man aout these things and say NO, or have an overdose and just die. Theres no room in this society for junkies (NO OFFENCE INTENDED)

[Legend]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by Legend

Taking drugs doesn't make you a bad person, a stupid person or anything else. It's a personal choice, and that Bill Hicks quote above ^^, so true. It is absolutely nobody elses business, unless it is somehow effecting you then why frown upon it and think less of people who do it?

Agreed, if you washed your hands of everyone that did drugs, alcohol and tobacco must also be included, then thats almost everyone :puzzled:

Exactly, some people aren't able and in most cases don't have the intelligence to see past recreational drug use, and it's them I feel sorry for.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:
Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them.
Would that include everyone in the country who has some booze at the weekend? Or smokes a spliff to come down after a hard days work?

And you are aware its impossible to overdose on weed?

Your arguments make absoloutely no sense.

And what about people like me? Because their are many like me. Millions , in fact. I smoke weed every now and then but you dare class me into your label of 'Junkie'?

Stop sounding like a talk to frank advertisment , and learn some facts.

[Shaun]

Drug users are nothing like asylum seekers :conf2:

And I think there's many possible reasons why people start taking drugs - been influenced by friends/family/celebrities, boredom, depression, rebellion, they genuinely enjoy it (the 'buzz')... so it's not fair to tar them all with the same brush.

[Legend]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:

OK I didnt make myself clear. Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them. They fall under the catergorie of Asylum Seekers in my opinion, and that is a debate on its own. But these days its kids that are on the drugs..WHY? They dont look big, it may certainly feel like they are. But my question is.. Surely something isnt that bad to turn to drugs for an answer?
The majority of people nowadays start taking drugs because their friends say its a good buzz, in my opinion they should either sort themselves out or just be man aout these things and say NO, or have an overdose and just die. Theres no room in this society for junkies (NO OFFENCE INTENDED)

Seriously this isn't for real and neither are you? People who use drugs don't deserve a job? Make your mind up ... first you said they should go out and get a job, now they don't deserve one?!

I can't respond further without getting myself a warning. I'd say you should go and be a silly, ignorant fool somewhere else.

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:
Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them.
Would that include everyone in the country who has some booze at the weekend? Or smokes a spliff to come down after a hard days work?

And you are aware its impossible to overdose on weed?

Your arguments make absoloutely no sense.

Why the **** would you, as you put it `smoke a spliff to come down after a hard days work?`
Your life must be mega ****ed up if you need a spiff to relax from a hard days work. I work 12hrs a day 6 days a week, I dont need to smoke a spliff to relax.
The things drugs do to someone in mere hours of consumption can and has been fatal, thats why I cant understand people risk their lives, just for a kick.
And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs so what a stupd technicality to bring up???

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

Excuse me??

I worked for 5 years as a stockbroker...... I think that qualifies as a job :puzzled:
Fair enough some drug users do actually have jobs, but they dont deserve them.
Would that include everyone in the country who has some booze at the weekend? Or smokes a spliff to come down after a hard days work?

And you are aware its impossible to overdose on weed?

Your arguments make absoloutely no sense.

Why the **** would you, as you put it `smoke a spliff to come down after a hard days work?`
Your life must be mega ****** up if you need a spiff to relax from a hard days work. I work 12hrs a day 6 days a week, I dont need to smoke a spliff to relax.
The things drugs do to someone in mere hours of consumption can and has been fatal, thats why I cant understand people risk their lives, just for a kick.
And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs so what a stupd technicality to bring up???
I dont need to smoke it. I just want to. Its fun , I have a laugh , and theirs no concequences. If that makes me a junky to a drug you cant get addicted to by your definition , fine , but your definition sucks to be perfectly honest. No harm done to anyone. Im not risking my life. Its just weed. The worst that can happen to me is that I may smoke too much and get sick. Im not stirrping down naked and jumping off rooftops because im getting a little giddy.

Their is not a comparison in alcohol to drugs? Alcohol is a drug.A drug that has many , many more harmful effects than weed , both long and short term , if used unresponsibily by the wrong people.

[Glenn.]

Im not getting into this argument. I am speaking from experience. My sister got wrapped up in drugs, because her friends were telling her its cool, it started with weed then progress to crack. Her friends are now homeless junkies out of their faces on speed, and my sister is lying in a coffin six feet under. She paid with her life, because she didnt want to look like an idiot in front of her friends, look who turned out to be the idiot?

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Im not getting into this argument. I am speaking from experience. My sister got wrapped up in drugs, because her friends were telling her its cool, it started with weed then progress to crack. Her friends are now homeless junkies out of their faces on speed, and my sister is lying in a coffin six feet under. She paid with her life, because she didnt want to look like an idiot in front of her friends, look who turned out to be the idiot?
You already got into an argument. Just because your sister got into Crack however , does not mean that everybody who smokes a joint will get into crack. Its all down to personal responsibility. Your not speaking from experience , your speaking from your sisters experience , and unfortunately for your argument , not everybody who touches weed ends up six feet under.

Theirs always one story. I know somebody who died in a car crash. Should that suggest we rid the world of cars and label all drivers as sadistic bastards?

[Glenn.]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by GlennDines123
Im not getting into this argument. I am speaking from experience. My sister got wrapped up in drugs, because her friends were telling her its cool, it started with weed then progress to crack. Her friends are now homeless junkies out of their faces on speed, and my sister is lying in a coffin six feet under. She paid with her life, because she didnt want to look like an idiot in front of her friends, look who turned out to be the idiot?
You already got into an argument. Just because your sister got into Crack however , does not mean that everybody who smokes a joint will get into crack. Its all down to personal responsibility. Your not speaking from experience , your speaking from your sisters experience , and unfortunately for your argument , not everybody who touches weed ends up six feet under.

Theirs always one story. I know somebody who died in a car crash. Should that suggest we rid the world of cars and label as drivers as sadistic bastards?

Well then you are an extremely dim-witted fool then. Your views are more technicalities not actual argument. Your telling me I dont know what Im talking about? I watched my sisters entire life fall apart in front of me. She could of given the **** up but her friends were the ones who undermined my family and she saw no other way, telling me to mind my own business, and you talk about experience? You havent got a clue, so dont sit there telling me I dont know what im talking about!

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Originally posted by Morpheus
Originally posted by GlennDines123
Im not getting into this argument. I am speaking from experience. My sister got wrapped up in drugs, because her friends were telling her its cool, it started with weed then progress to crack. Her friends are now homeless junkies out of their faces on speed, and my sister is lying in a coffin six feet under. She paid with her life, because she didnt want to look like an idiot in front of her friends, look who turned out to be the idiot?
You already got into an argument. Just because your sister got into Crack however , does not mean that everybody who smokes a joint will get into crack. Its all down to personal responsibility. Your not speaking from experience , your speaking from your sisters experience , and unfortunately for your argument , not everybody who touches weed ends up six feet under.

Theirs always one story. I know somebody who died in a car crash. Should that suggest we rid the world of cars and label as drivers as sadistic bastards?

Well then you are an extremely dim-witted fool then. Your views are more technicalities not actual argument. Your telling me I dont know what Im talking about? I watched my sisters entire life fall apart in front of me. She could of given the **** up but her friends were the ones who undermined my family and she saw no other way, telling me to mind my own business, and you talk about experience? You havent got a clue, so dont sit there telling me I dont know what Im talking about!
Of course my views are an actual argument. And its an actual argument you are failing to either grasp or respond to. I have got a clue. I know alot about cannabis , because I have been up and down with it. You , on the other hand , have not.

Your entire argument exists around generalising all drugs as bad , ignoring alcohol as being a far more destructive drug than weed , calling all drug users junkies , failing to realise you cant overdose from all drugs and in general , just being an outright ignorant , bad example because your sister died. She obviously made some messed up choices , and its extremely unfortunate for everyone that knew her what happened , but that does not mean we are all going to make those same messed up choices.

Grow up. Or go back to television land where all your moral choices are fed to you , and thought becomes an after thought.

[Glenn.]

But like all drug users, you cant actually reason with anyone, they all seem to think they know better. All I can say is if you have to smoke a spliff because its fun then go ahead, but your telling me I need to grow up?

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
But like all drug users, you cant actually reason with anyone, they all seem to think they know better. All I can say is if you have to smoke a spliff because its fun then go ahead, but your telling me I need to grow up?
That makes no sense whatsoever. If I smoke it , its my choice. It damages absoloute NOTHING outside my body , and no amount of sob storys in the world can change the fact that cannabis on its own is a much safer drug than most. Including alcohol. So dont brand weed smokers as junkies who dont deserve jobs , and dont toss weed smokers into the category that includes your sisters speed freak mates on street corners. Just stop generalising. Thats my point.

Theirs something to think about. Spread the message. The world might be a better place for it. Then again , ignorance is bliss for the pseudo-righteous.

[Glenn.]

Your just a stupid kid who obviously smokes the stuff because you think its cool. Thats my point.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Your just a stupid kid who obviously smokes the stuff because you think its cool. Thats my point.
Im 17 years of age. Nobody I hang with smokes weed. I made that choice myself. Why? Because it feels good , it harms nobody , food tastes better , and music sounds better.

Their , that debunks another one of your pathetic , nonsensical , scrapping at the bottom of the barrel arguments that have nothing to do with the previous message I posted.

[Glenn.]

The fact your 17yrs old makes me laugh. You smoke it because it feels good? There a lot of things in the world that make you feel good, what a life you must lead. How often do you smoke it? Everyday? And you sit there saying how alcohol is a drug, not to those grown ups who drink responsibly it isnt. Which brings us back to kids. Kids go out every weekend do a bottle of vodka and think their big, as do teenagers who smoke weed

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
The fact your 17yrs old makes me laugh. You smoke it because it feels good? There a lot of things in the world that make you feel good, what a life you must lead. How often do you smoke it? Everyday? And you sit there saying how alcohol is a drug, not to those grown ups who drink responsibly it isnt. Which brings us back to kids. Kids go out every weekend do a bottle of vodka and think their big, as do teenagers who smoke weed
The fact that im 17 makes you laugh? Are you discriminating against age as well as personal choice now as well?

How often do I smoke it? Once or twice a fortnight. Sometimes I go a few months without it. Its not a party drug to me. And its not a regular thing.

Alcohol is a drug. No ifs. No buts. If you walk down an alley and two guys are in a brawl , are they drunk or stoned? Now tell me which is worse?

Now come up with a valid reason why I should not smoke weed if its not damaging anyone or anything.

Theirs no reason to bring back up kids. Im not a kid. And im certainly not promoting kids smoking dope or drinking vodka.

Their. Any more?

[Glenn.]

Obviuosly my opinion hasnt come across as well it was suppose to. The fat that a 17yr old kid is telling me that its perfectly ok to smoke weed, when it is still classed as a drug is beyond me. This is after all the discussion, and what it has arouse to. So what cannabis does no damage? Its still classed as a drug. The fact that you are blatantly saying so what, infuriates me. I am no longer participating in this discussion, not if there are idiot teenagers at the helm anyway.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Obviuosly my opinion hasnt come across as well it was suppose to. The fat that a 17yr old kid is telling me that its perfectly ok to smoke weed, when it is still classed as a drug is beyond me. This is after all the discussion, and what it has arouse to. So what cannabis does no damage? Its still classed as a drug. The fact that you are blatantly saying so what, infuriates me. I am no longer participating in this discussion, not if there are idiot teenagers at the helm anyway.
Im saying its perfectly okay for me to smoke weed. So what if its still classed as a drug? So is a mug of coffee. You are no longer participating in this discussion if their are idiot teenagers at the helm?

How dare you. I give point upon point of logical arguments , and all of them go ignored. Im expressing an opinion that says I should be able to do what I want with my own body. And your calling ME an idiot teenager? Laughable.

[Glenn.]

Thats perfectly fair. Its your body, why should i give a ****? Do what you want iI couldnt care less, your just an idiot. Thats my opinion, if you dont like it then tough. Im entitled to an opinion, you just dont like it.
Its been nice talking to you, but Im off, got to go to bed.

[Stu]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Thats perfectly fair. Its your body, why should i give a ****? Do what you want iI couldnt care less, your just an idiot. Thats my opinion, if you dont like it then tough. Im entitled to an opinion, you just dont like it.
Its been nice talking to you, but Im off, got to go to bed.
Why should you give a ****? Well you just spent the last half hour debating with me about it.

And how are my an idiot? Because im 17? Because I got the better of you in an argument? Because your two or three years older than me , yet your acting like a complete spanner?

Do explain , I could stay up all night here , even if I am losing faith in humanity just by reading your posts.

[Red Moon]

This thread has been reported again and reading through it I can see why.

If this thread wasn't in the serious debate section of the site and about very emotive subject I would have been giving out the warnings by now. This time I will let it go, BUT know this it is not acceptable to call people names or insult people. You can not tell people they are some kind fool, a idiot, a stupid kid or tell people grow up. It's not on.

TiBB prides itself on being a friendly site were we discuss things in a civilized way and respect the opinions of others. Some of the posts in this thread cross the line of what is acceptable on TiBB.

Please be civil to each other in future and respect the opinions of others. Stop the name calling and get on with the discussion.

If the name calling and insulting posts continue I will give out warnings and temporary bans. This is the second time my attention has be drawn to this thread for posts that are unacceptable on TiBB and in both cases the same members are involved in the argument.

Red

[Dr43%er]

What have you been smoking Red?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
What have you been smoking Red?

Evil weed that puts me in a foul uncompromising mood when it comes to the rules. :wink:

Now lets stay on topic.

[Stu]

Sorry but im keeping my cool here throughout this , but if somebody is going to ignore my arguments and tell me im a stupid kid , im going to tell them grow up. Its just not on. Ignoring the facts and calling me a dimwitted fool despite the fact that im the one presenting the arguments? Come on like. Im wondering if said member was stoned himself last night spitting out that diatribe.

Originally posted by GlennDines123
Do what you want iI couldnt care less, your just an idiot.

And thats his final masterpiece of an argument. And yet im the one told to grow up. Its insane beyond belief. :rolleyes:

[Dr43%er]

GlennD, first off I am sorry to here about what happened to your sister. Yes, some drugs are ****ing awful. But others are not. There has to be a distinction.

Going back to a point i made earlier. If your sister had bought her weed from a licensed shop then she may not have come in to contact with harder drugs as she would not have had to buy from a dealer. This has to be a better option.

[Tom]

I'm going to be completely honest and admit I had a line last night. Its not something I usually do, maybe once every 1 or 2 months. I'm not an addict, I don't need more physically or mentally, I'm not a bad person, I'm not a junkie, I don't constantly think about it and I'm not off to the job centre later on to sign on then get money to fund an addiction so where some people get these ideas from I will never know. I'm still here. I'm fine. I'm not dead.

I think some comments in here are ridiculous, saying everyone who takes drugs is a junkie, no better than an asylum seeker etc, yet these users don't oppose the use of alcohol. What I did last night was less or just as harmful and addictive as alcohol is. Its definitely no worse. There are pages and pages on the internet which back this up so I really don't see why its such a taboo subject if things that are less addictive are legally sold and taken without people batting an eyelid.

Obviously, some members like GlennDines123 has had a bad experience and its hard to take the prejudice away from such situations when something like that happens. But I think its the argument of a very narrow minded individual who can only see one side of the argument and believes everything they are spun by the media who believes that all people who take drugs are junkies, jobless, addicts and generally bad people. If people want to wash their hands with people who use drugs, then that means they probably won't associate with about 90% of the population.

[Dr43%er]

Of course the is the suffering and murder on the streets of Columbia as a direct result of the cocaine industry.

[~Kizwiz~]

GlennDines123, I understand where your coming from and I am deeply sorry about your sister. Its must be so hard to understand what goes on in someones mind who takes drugs purely for the fact that you lost someone that you loved and cared for.

Not everyone goes from Puff all the way through the drug chain, some do and some dont. It depends on what sort of person you are I guess. I am one of those people that has an addictive personality and to stop the habit that I had I needed to remove myself from any connect to my past and get the hell out. I was lucky that I was able to do that and believe that if my relationship with Red didnt come about as it did I would have continued to be a heavy recreational cocaine addict. I guess I am lucky that I had him xxx

But people have the choice to take them and it must be hard for you to understand this because you have been so deeply scared from your connections with drugs.

[bananarama]

The controversy here on this thread proves that drugs including alcohol and ciggs are a menace to society. It's tragic that people have to suppliment there personalities with artificial personalities generated by some substance or other.

It has been mentioned that it's ok to do with ones body as one likes in the belief only the addict is affected. When drug takers eventually screw up there bodies then who pays...Yea the tax payer the none drug taking tax payer has to foot the NHS bill.....

People who become sick through no fault of there own are denied new treatments because of lack of finacial rescources. Too much of our national whealth spent on people who are hell bent on making themselves sick at the expense of others...

[Stu]

The controversy here on this thread proves that drugs including alcohol and ciggs are a menace to society.

No , it proves that drugs make for an extremely passionate topic people pour their hearts into.



It's tragic that people have to suppliment there personalities with artificial personalities generated by some substance or other.

Thats an extremely selfish statement. You assume all drug users , smokers and drinkers have to supplement their personalities further , and hence they only use drugs to give them an artificial personality?



the none drug taking tax payer has to foot the NHS bill.....

And with that you just provided one of the best anti prohibition arguments their are. Legalise soft drugs. Tax them to the hilt. Use the tax on...guess what?...

[Conor]

I'm not really getting this thread right now? I'm reading some are good, then they're all bad, then they all kill you, then some cant, you will 100% get addicted, you cant get addicted if cafefull? :shrug:

I think I'm bing brainwashed by all these speakers at school about drugs now.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Conor
I'm not really getting this thread right now? I'm reading some are good, then they're all bad, then they all kill you, then some cant, you will 100% get addicted, you cant get addicted if cafefull? :shrug:

I think I'm bing brainwashed by all these speakers at school about drugs now.
School does seem to misinform and complicate things even further. The jist of it is no recreational drug is completely 100% drawback free for the masses. Some , however , are safer than others. Obviously their is junk most of us would never , ever touch like Heroin , but in comparison to your average syringe of heroin , a joint is a lot safer. Though still not completely safe - and not , of course , for everyone.

And yet still cannabis is illegal and alcohol is legal. Thats my main beef with drug laws right now. Alcohol is easier to get hooked on , and people tend to become more violent after drink than they would after smoking a joint. Someone who smokes a joint typicaly falls around , eats all the cookies , laughs at everything , and risks feeling a little lazier than usual the next morning.

Yeah , a real menace to society :rolleyes:.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Morpheus

The controversy here on this thread proves that drugs including alcohol and ciggs are a menace to society.

No , it proves that drugs make for an extremely passionate topic people pour their hearts into.



It's tragic that people have to suppliment there personalities with artificial personalities generated by some substance or other.

Thats an extremely selfish statement. You assume all drug users , smokers and drinkers have to supplement their personalities further , and hence they only use drugs to give them an artificial personality?



the none drug taking tax payer has to foot the NHS bill.....

And with that you just provided one of the best anti prohibition arguments their are. Legalise soft drugs. Tax them to the hilt. Use the tax on...guess what?...

Oh dear is that the best you can do......I wonder what is affecting your judgment!!!!Then again perhaps I don't....

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Morpheus

The controversy here on this thread proves that drugs including alcohol and ciggs are a menace to society.

No , it proves that drugs make for an extremely passionate topic people pour their hearts into.



It's tragic that people have to suppliment there personalities with artificial personalities generated by some substance or other.

Thats an extremely selfish statement. You assume all drug users , smokers and drinkers have to supplement their personalities further , and hence they only use drugs to give them an artificial personality?



the none drug taking tax payer has to foot the NHS bill.....

And with that you just provided one of the best anti prohibition arguments their are. Legalise soft drugs. Tax them to the hilt. Use the tax on...guess what?...

Oh dear is that the best you can do......I wonder what is affecting your judgment!!!!Then again perhaps I don't....
Your contradicting my argument and condescending me by suggesting im stoned yet you dont give an argument back?

[Tom]

What some people have missed and don't understand is that being a drug user you don't have to be an addict, and in most cases you will never become an addict.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Tom_
What some people have missed and don't understand is that being a drug user you don't have to be an addict, and in most cases you will never become an addict.
As long as said drug user uses their head , puts a little thought into it , and takes their share of responsibility the government seems dead set on not giving to them yeah - your absoloutely right.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GlennDines123

And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs

Alcohol is a drug. Some drug users (including alcohol) actually use it for escapism to get away from their problems. Some use them to have a laugh. There are many different reasons for drugs use or misuse. And can I also add that different people handle stuff differently. Some people have addictive personalities. I need to find a song I think describes some of the argument quite well..................

[Mrluvaluva]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI

[Dr43%er]

One thing people seem to forget when they go on about alcohol being legal is that it is illegal to be battered in public, for a pub to serve you if you are drunk. So the drug itself is legal but its affects can be illegal.

Anyway, as a counterpoint to baz's video, from the same artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A8T4lVu074

[Magic]

Originally posted by Stu
Lets not get our drugs mixed up before we go any further , for some of the more naive members bound to post on about how drugs destroy lives. Be careful not to generalise. Yes their are bad drugs but some are good. Its almost embarrassing having to get cautioned for smoking a joint , and then come home and watch advertisments on the TV telling me to get drunk. We have a moral right to disobey unjust laws , and its simply a matter of time before a lot of European citys will become as tolerant as your average Amsterdam.

Some drugs are good?
Of course, but I dont think illegal drugs are, hence them being illegal.

And who say's those laws are unjust? Of course we have "moral rights" to disobey laws, but if people went by that attitude we could all kill each other.

Laws are made to help society progres, not regress.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Magic

Some drugs are good?
Of course, but I dont think illegal drugs are, hence them being illegal.

And who say's those laws are unjust? Of course we have "moral rights" to disobey laws, but if people went by that attitude we could all kill each other.

Laws are made to help society progres, not regress.

I think we all know that drugs like heroin should always remain illegal. There is a fine line though between drugs such as cannabis. Why should alcohol remain legal, and cannabis illegal?

[Sunny_01]

Lets not all forget that frequent cannabis use is linked to severe mental health problems, so it is not as innocent as it seems. Also I agree with Stu, alcohol is as mind altering as many drugs!! we just know the government makes a lot of money out of alcohol in taxes though so it will never become illegal will it!!

The thing for me is mind altering substances cause us to behave in ways we wouldnt normally, by that I mean we could be far more reckless than normal which makes us very vulnerable.

I am not particularly against most things, I jsut worry about people.

[Hades]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Lets not all forget that frequent cannabis use is linked to severe mental health problems
Bottom barrel scrapping done by the government to try and come up with a negative , im afraid. Their has been very little conclusive research done that can prove Cannabis causes severe mental health problems. Most of the time , the person is in a fragile mental state anyway , in which case they should not be smoking it.

Another thing the Gordon Browns funhouse are saying right now is that skunk is highly potent , so it is more likely to cause mental health problems.

And do you know what skunk being so prevelant is a direct result of? ...You guessed it - Cannabis being illegal.

Wherther you like Cannabis or not is beside the point , it instantly becomes safer almost overnight if legalised , or even at the least decrminalised.

Also Magic , why on earth are you forming your opinion around drugs based on if they are legal or not?

Alcohol was illegal once upon a time in the US. That worked wonders , did it not?

Edit : Also , I agree with you Sunny when you say its the people you worry about. We could legalise LSD tommorow , but theirs no way you can trust the average chav on the street with something so mind altering and potent. People are too thick to use drugs responsibily.

[thisisme2008]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
In the light of cannabis being kept as a class C drug, I wondered what everyones stance was on british drug laws. What are your views?

If they were to legalise everything, it would all become a lot less dangerous - it would be government controlled, there would be no dangerous(er) substances mixed in like glass, and people wouldn't really do it so much because they won't be doing something illegal. That's what I think anyway.

[kerri]

They will never become legal and there will always be a drug dealer to replace a drug dealer xx

[Annie]

I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

[Liontamer]

god people get over it if people want to do drugs let them.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?


Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?


Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

Does that also include legal drugs such as alcohol, ones which are actually more addictive than illegal ones?

[Annie]

^^^

Taking drugs does not make you an idiot.
Just because you might not take them - they aint as bad as made out to be. The only REAL danger is that some people cant handle it and they are addictive. :tongue:

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?


Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

Does that also include legal drugs such as alcohol, ones which are actually more addictive than illegal ones?

I agree alcohol is a drug and one that is much abused. Unfortunately it is so embedded in society controlling it is now impossible......Drugs are an addition to man kinds insensible behavour that should not be allowed to become as established as the killer alcohol is. That is why I call drug takers "Idiots" Adding even more mindless behavour and possible addictions to society....


To those that think drugs should be legalised just look at the consequences of alcohol having been legalised.......If that does not teach any one a lesson about drug taking then nothing will.....

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Annie
^^^

Taking drugs does not make you an idiot.
Just because you might not take them - they aint as bad as made out to be. The only REAL danger is that some people cant handle it and they are addictive. :tongue:


Which makes one an "idiot" for risking something that could make you an addict.......No escaping the fact idiots and drugs share the same bed......

[Mrluvaluva]

I have smoked cannabis a few times and even tried cocaine once. Does that make me an idiot then? I was curious and tried it once.

[Fom]

Dont group all drugs together because some of them arent as bad as each other. Cannabis is reasonably harmless and harms your body just as much as a cigarette does, the only difference is that the drug gives you more of a side effect than smoking tobacco. You are more likely to do dangerous stuff when drinking than when you are stoned... for the sheer reason when you are stoned all you want to do is laugh and sit down and be a vegetable. When you are drunk you can get aggressive etc.
But then you get other drugs like Cocaine or Injection drugs, these can become extremely addictive and should be stayed away from at all costs. I have never personally even thought about touching these drugs and wouldnt want too, a friend of mine takes Cocaine to stay awake, then she saw her friend get addicted and lose all his money so then she stopped.

Other things like pills, mushrooms etc are dangerous for the fact that you dont realise what you are doing and that everything seems different and you can end up in some sticky situations or even panicking yourself into a serious condition. You can trip out and completely freak yourself out.

But they are not all the same, in fact cannabis is one of the most harmless drugs. Obviously the winner being poppers, which just gives you a little head ache. And also something that REALLY annoys me about cannabis being illegal is that people like my mum, who have chronic illnesses that are never going away have to live with pain every single day and pain killers wont cover it, but if the law would allow a cannabis pill or a small supply of fresh cannabis to bake into cakes it could help these people extremely if it is done in moderation and control it could change peoples lives for the better.

Before everyone thinks I am a druggie or somthing haha, a lot of my friends take drugs so I know the effects and stuff. I personally have tried cannabis and dont think its that bad, one I got ill because it was really horrbile stuff, but on another occasion it just sent me giddy for about 2 hours. Dont judge people if they try it, and dont judge people if they do it on the odd occasion as its just a bit of fun... judge the people who smoke cannabis every day. They are the ones who are harming themselves. But if you smoke or drink and then judge cannabis users you are a hypocrite!

[Legend]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

:whistle:

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?


Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

Does that also include legal drugs such as alcohol, ones which are actually more addictive than illegal ones?

I agree alcohol is a drug and one that is much abused. Unfortunately it is so embedded in society controlling it is now impossible......Drugs are an addition to man kinds insensible behavour that should not be allowed to become as established as the killer alcohol is. That is why I call drug takers "Idiots" Adding even more mindless behavour and possible addictions to society....


To those that think drugs should be legalised just look at the consequences of alcohol having been legalised.......If that does not teach any one a lesson about drug taking then nothing will.....

LOL yet I'm more likely to end up falling over into the road after drinking alcohol than I would be after a few lines of coke ... to me it shows how little people know about drugs, because if you knew the effectiveness of certain drugs, or the lack of, then you probably wouldn't be coming out with mindless comments like that.

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama

I agree alcohol is a drug and one that is much abused. Unfortunately it is so embedded in society controlling it is now impossible......Drugs are an addition to man kinds insensible behavour that should not be allowed to become as established as the killer alcohol is. That is why I call drug takers "Idiots" Adding even more mindless behavour and possible addictions to society....


To those that think drugs should be legalised just look at the consequences of alcohol having been legalised.......If that does not teach any one a lesson about drug taking then nothing will.....

All drugs are abused and embedded in society and cannot be controlled. You only have to go into any nightclub anywhere in the country to see that.

I'm against the legalisation of drugs but if they were to be legalised then IMO there would still be more alcoholics than people addicted to drugs, because alcohol (and nicotine) are two of the most addictive drugs yet they are perfectly legal.

Now, throwing even more drugs into the equation, by your logic anyone who drinks tea or coffee is an idiot. Caffeine is another drug that isn't a medicine and is an addictive drug. It may cause no harm but according to your statements, anyone who goes near drugs that isn't medication is an idiot.

[Fom]

The governement wont ever legalise drugs, alcohol and cigarettes come from the old old days and have just stayed in society, with our health concious society these days they wont legalise something bad for us. And it is quite obvious the government is slowly banning smoking from everywhere and are trying to push it out of society.
But I really wish they would legalise some drugs for medical reasons. Old women getting arrested for having some pain relief is not fair!

[steviefish]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Annie
^^^

Taking drugs does not make you an idiot.
Just because you might not take them - they aint as bad as made out to be. The only REAL danger is that some people cant handle it and they are addictive. :tongue:


Which makes one an "idiot" for risking something that could make you an addict.......No escaping the fact idiots and drugs share the same bed......
I am hooked on coffee. I also smoke cannabis. I would rather go a day without cannabis. I have also never had a negative experience with either of these drugs.

Their is no logical outcome from this which reaches the conclusion of me being an idiot. Im not. If you would like to explain calmly to me how I am, then shoot. I promise to argue back my point with an open mind, unlike you.

Now grow up and stop generalising. Ignorance is a bigger killer than narcotics. Just look back through history. I use narcotics. You are ignorant. Theirs no escaping that fact. I would rather be in bed with a stoner than an ignorant person.

As to the great alcohol Vs. illicit substances argument? I say : Why keep safer drugs illegal just because alcohol has caused so much damage already? The law does more damage to your responsible cocaine snorter than the substance itself does anyway. And sticking with the cocaine example [the legalise pot lark gets old, and is overused] I have news for you .... COCAINE IS INCREDIBLY EASY TO GET A HOLD OF.

Hence, if we stick with this logic, a clean system of controlled cocaine is safer than having is illegal.

If I can get it anyway, I would rather buy it from the government than from criminal hands. Plus, it means more tax. Balla-bing balla-boom.

Also, to Fom's point, relaxed laws and medicianal cannabis being implemented in Calafornia has proved to be extremely succesful, with a lot less people in jails and virtualy no negative concequences.

Now call the Calafornian government idiots.

[30stone]

Drugs are pointless and wreck your body. and waste your money

a few drinks every now and again are ok for me none of it would be good for training.

[Annie]

Drugs are not pointless

They CLEARLY have a point or people would not spend money trying to get them... :xyxwave:

[30stone]

Thats your opinion and unless a drug has a long term affect thats actually good, they are pointless,

hurt your body and waste your money for a couple of hours of fun...

can do that with drink and not hurt your body as much.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 30stone
Thats your opinion and unless a drug has a long term affect thats actually good, they are pointless,

hurt your body and waste your money for a couple of hours of fun...

can do that with drink and not hurt your body as much.

You've got more of a chance to be addicted to alcohol than cocaine and in the long term alcohol damages your body, so it hurts your body just as much, if more.

[Fom]

Originally posted by 30stone
Thats your opinion and unless a drug has a long term affect thats actually good, they are pointless,

hurt your body and waste your money for a couple of hours of fun...

can do that with drink and not hurt your body as much.

Just because alcohol is legal dont start thinking its safe... Why do you think there is so much debate about why drugs are illegal? Because they are less harmful than legal things!