MrLuvaLuva: Dont Go!!!

[LargeAndInCharge]

MrLuvaLuva dont go!

your the one of people i get on best with on here!!

Guys he sent me this u2u he may have sent soem of you other guys one.

Subject: Sorry
From: Mrluvaluva
To: Brother
Folder: Inbox
Sent: 21-5-2008 at 11:45
Message: Hi

I am sorry, but I have left the forum. Some stuff has happened and I don't want to be here anymore. Don't forget you can find me on bazzeroo

Take care.

Baz


Does anyone else no what happened??

please come back Baz

Brother

[Barbie]

Don't know actually but everyone seems to be leaving now

[MR.K!]

dont leave !

[LargeAndInCharge]

who else is leaving??

[Barbie]

I think some other person put something saying something went on and they are taking a break... their avatar is a pillow name begins with C... cant remember who it is

[LargeAndInCharge]

Chewy

[LargeAndInCharge]

whos taking a break?

[Barbie]

i dont know lol im sure i have seen a couple of people saying it

[LargeAndInCharge]

iam really confused

what was said on baz site

[Kevin]

Don't worry, their will all come crawling back. :laugh:

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Kevin
Don't worry, their will all come crawling back. :laugh:

Only if they're not all banned in the process.

[LargeAndInCharge]

Who's Online - There are currently 171 Guests, 19 Members and 1 Invisible Member


invisible member - if that is u baz sign in

iam sure the situation isnt to bad

[Captain.Remy]

Too late guys. This thread will be locked very soon before it ends into an endless argument.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Dan_
Originally posted by Kevin
Don't worry, their will all come crawling back. :laugh:

Only if they're not all banned in the process.

True, I hope they don't ban them (I think Shaun's already been banned?).

I enjoy MrLuvaLuva's posts. :sad:

[LargeAndInCharge]

yer and he was one of my best people on here

[Dan_]

New forum banner.

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[Lauren]

Shaun wasn't banned cos he left, he was breaking the rules.

They don't just ban people for no reason, so stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories that the "powers" are tyring to quash the members. The admins and mods work on this site to the benefit of general members. If those members then choose to make it harder for the admins to maintain stability then of course they're gonna get a warning.

Just because a member is a big player on TiBB doesn't mean they're not going to get warnings or banned. They're not trying to 'shut people up' and I'm sure you'd all expect new members to get warnings if they broke rules - the same applies to old and established members.

Furthermore, yes it's sad that Baz has left. He was one of the best members on here, always very friendly and eager to chat to anyone. He made very good posts and liked by all. However, there has already been suggestions in the thread that admin/mods are slightly to blame for him leaving. Give Baz some respect, he has free will - he left at his own accord.

[LargeAndInCharge]

well said lauren

[TrainOf.....Thought]

Originally posted by Lauren
Shaun wasn't banned cos he left, he was breaking the rules.

That is correct. But there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. He broke the rules because he was angry about something on tibb.

They don't just ban people for no reason, so stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories that the "powers" are tyring to quash the members.

An administrator can ban any member for any reason they wish. If you opened a forum Lauren, you could do the same thing. In Shaun's case, he did break the forum rules and was issued a warning for doing so. But as James has pointed out, he intends to keep Shaun banned for much longer than is normal and he has given his reasons for doing so Click Here (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=69026#pid1200267) Shaun also came back as a Girl and Mark made this post Click Here (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=82923&page=1#pid1200068) Then Billy21 started this thread Click Here (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=82927) It is a shame that these sort of incidents have to occur, but when members become unhappy - this can happen!

The admins and mods work on this site to the benefit of general members. If those members then choose to make it harder for the admins to maintain stability then of course they're going to get a warning.

Admin deleted this bit... there is no way I can let someone say that here... what you said there was blatent forum bullying. James

Just because a member is a big player on TiBB doesn't mean they're not going to get warnings or banned. They're not trying to 'shut people up' and I'm sure you'd all expect new members to get warnings if they broke rules - the same applies to old and established members.

It does depend on who it is.

Member "moses455" has had 6 warnings against him now and yet he is allowed to continue posting, even though his intentions are always to cause unrest and upset. Some other members haven't been so lucky and have been banned for much less. Also, we've all seen plenty of unfair issuing of warnings from time to time. One male moderator tends to enjoy that - well, thats the feeling generally!

Furthermore, yes it's sad that Baz has left. He was one of the best members on here, always very friendly and eager to chat to anyone. He made very good posts and liked by all. However, there has already been suggestions in the thread that admin/mods are slightly to blame for him leaving. Give Baz some respect, he has free will - he left at his own accord.

Baz is a great member. You Lauren are a great member. Stropz and nodisharmony were great members in their own way. The same can be said for many members on this forum. But when problems arise on a Big Brother forum, it is upto the Mods and Admins to deal with it. The feeling generally is that warnings and bannings are dealt with unfairly. Admin deleted this bit also... see above. James

That's what I think

A caring observer...

[Lauren]

Originally posted by TrainOf.....Thought
That is correct. But there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. He broke the rules because he was angry about something on tibb.

Then the problem lies with him. If everyone reacted defensively when they were angry at something and broke the rules then our nation would be full of murderers and law-breakers. Rules are there to be enforced to maintain order. Shaun was a brilliant member, but he chose to break rules to get his point across and so his point automatically becomes void.

Originally posted by TrainOf.....Thought
Edit. James

Mods are not there to 'create a nice environment'. He is a member too, but ultimately he is there to reinstore order when people decide to break rules. He shouldn't have to 'create a nice atmosphere' - just because people are breaking rules. The nice atmosphere should come from members respecting the mods and not making their job more difficult.

The mod in question (and his 'girlfriend'), are very very much liked by myself. I can't see anything they/he have done wrong. If anything, the only points you've brought forward against the mod is that his views of what deserves a warning/ban is subjective to other mods/admins. But this is the same throughout the different mods, of course people are subjective when compared against others.

Originally posted by TrainOf.....Thought
That's what I think

A caring observer...

Thank you very much for explaining yourself and your points with civility. :spin2:

[Barbie]

He was only banned yesterday!? i didnt realise there was spamming etc here last night

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Barbie-big-bro
He was only banned yesterday!? i didnt realise there was spamming etc here last night

He already had 2 warnings from previous occasions so I don't think it would've took much.

[lastone]

Sorry Lauren, had to clear this up, it was just the 1 before the banning I got yesterday.

Thanks for the kind words, btw. And I completely understand the ban, as I said something completely out of order, I just think the way it's been dealt with is a bit sad, really.

Still, speak soon :P

[Lauren]

Originally posted by lastone
Sorry Lauren, had to clear this up, it was just the 1 before the banning I got yesterday.

Thanks for the kind words, btw. And I completely understand the ban, as I said something completely out of order, I just think the way it's been dealt with is a bit sad, really.

Still, speak soon :P

Ah right, sorry - I saw yesterday you had 2 warnings, but didn't realise the second one was the banning one! Thought there must have been a third one too.

Speak soon! :laugh:

[Barbie]

Originally posted by lastone
Sorry Lauren, had to clear this up, it was just the 1 before the banning I got yesterday.

Thanks for the kind words, btw. And I completely understand the ban, as I said something completely out of order, I just think the way it's been dealt with is a bit sad, really.

Still, speak soon :P

sorry who are you .. were you one of the ones banned yesterday?

[Xander]

I'm really not surprised he's gone with what's happening on here at the moment, its not really a pleasant atmosphere/envoirment.

[*mazedsalv**]

Omg What did I miss? Why did he go?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Omg What did I miss? Why did he go?

People are breaking rules because theyre angry at some mods, then they get warnings, so more people get angry and break more rules. Then people get angry at mods for people being banned, and then people leave cos of the atmosphere :laugh:

[*mazedsalv**]

Wow! I didnt realise any of this was going on.

[Nicky.]

Oh for god sake - this is getting madd ! x

Why id everyone leaving =( x

Well not everyone , but like Billy, MrLuvaLuva, Chewy, Stu =( x

[Lauren]

Edit: This reply was to a post that is now deleted, I'm not just talking to myself.

You make some good points, again. However, one major point you brought forward was... " this recent upset of a select number of members leaving was caused by the Moderators partner throwing a wobbler the other day when three previously banned members decided to return and post in a friendly manner."

The members are banned for a reason. Yes, a lot of them were, and still are - very much liked. However, they caused enough trouble to be banned and so when they come back its a little too late to post in a friendly manner. They were meant to come back and post 'in a friendly manner' after their very first warnings, they didn't take the hint and continued to break rules. By your reasoning, there is no end. We ban members, and then let them back, then ban them, and let them back. The system with 3 warnings ensure they have time to come back and post in a friendly manner (unless they do something atrociously wrong and get an outright ban).

It's not a case of them not getting a second chance, because thats what the warning system is about. Unfortunately for them, they took their chances for granted and now it's too late for them to try and make up for the past.

I think blaming the mod in question (and moreso his partner? she has no mod powers so I can't even see why so many people are angry just because she made her views clear on something! thats what a forum is about) is counterproductive. He's not going to purposefully ruin TiBB, so what he does is in the best interests of members who follow rules.

"you are not privy to what get's said in u2u or MSN/Yahoo and so fourth"

This is true, I am not. However, MSN/Yahoo is not TiBB. The rules do not apply there, and does not affect the members on the forum.

And finally (phew, this is good procrastination :hugesmile:).
"But then I saw the final comments that "molecular" made in a now-deleted thread and I can understand why the male moderator chose to leave him unbanned."

Firstly, you complained that the partner of the moderator in question didn't leave it up to James/Mark when the trouble was sparked, and instead 'threw a wobbly', yet here you are suggesting things 'beyond' what James/Mark might see? Surely you too, and other members should leave the forum-running up to James and Mark too, instead of forming your own conspiracy theories? You show a dislike to the mods partner because she got involved in something that should have been left to admins, but here you are yourselves (not you in particular, but a large group of members) also trying to decide how the forum should be run. Hardly fair?

I have a feeling this is a case of where one member becomes disillusioned with one mod, mentions it to others on U2U and Yahoo/Msn. They then start a (for want of a better word) 'bitching sesh' on said mod/admin, and then start watching out for anything that can be twisted to follow their beliefs.

I shall remain confident that the mod in question (and his seemingly innocent partner, who I shall remind you, has no mod powers - so how come people are saying she is responsible?) is doing his job properly and to the best of his ability (mods are people too, and he might make some mistakes).

[James]

No-one has been banned unfairly, we just don't do that. There is always a specific reason and we don't do it lightly. In fact no-one has been permanently banned. With regards to the reasons I posted for the ban that was given... believe me, I am doing that person a favour by not repeating what was said.

Part of the problem is that the mods/admin get to see a lot of posts and threads that have been deleted, sometimes members don't get to see some things that have caused someone to be banned so it can, at first glance seem unfair. Sometimes you just have to take it on trust that we act fairly. :wink:

To answer why a lot of threads and posts have been locked and deleted... well, unfortunately, there has been a lot of spam / attempts to escalate forum 'drama'. Last night wasn't great... it was like those shoe-selling spammers x 100. A lot of work for us, and I'm sure of little or no interest to most people on the forum.

It has been said that this was triggered by someone making a post that banned members coming back was annoying. Well it is! Even moreso for the staff of this site, who have to spend ages investigating IP addresses, posting styles and other stuff. And what is worse is that it makes people suspect all new members of being previously banned. It is damaging for this forum. I acknowledge of course that banned members often think they have nothing to lose by coming back but what else can we do...

By the way the bit that I edited out (incidentally this is an example of what I said above about how members don't always see something that leads to a ban) of 'TrainOf.....Thought' aka Nodisharmony's post above is a prime example (his habit of creating strange false identities being another) of why we could never tolerate that user's post's again or unban that user... it was quite nasty - deliberately confusing rumour with reputation - saying falsely that someone is disliked so that people will start to believe it. All of it worded in a seemingly friendly post that praised some people (but isolated others). Very snide, sneaky and 'divide and rule'... a politician's tactic.

As far as MrLuvaLuva is concerned, I think he is good member who makes interesting posts and I know he wasn't involved in this current situation. I can tell you that the mods on here have spent quite a bit of time trying to resolve any problems he has had on this forum... it would be a shame for that to go to waste. So I hope he sticks around.

If anyone wants to u2u me about any of this I will try to answer any more questions you have.

[*mazedsalv**]

I agree with all above.

[joe469]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
"But then I saw the final comments that "molecular" made in a now-deleted thread and I can understand why the male moderator chose to leave him unbanned."


Well that's a lie. Haven't changed much have you Disharmony?

I may be banned but I come back to post about Big Brother shows, not to get involved in the everlasting playground squabbles this place stages.

The Hitman (aka the_chosen_one, aka molecular)

[MrGaryy]

I think it might be a good thing thing that Stu and Baz have left. As two of the more prominent posters on this forum, their absense will hopefully give space for new and weaker members to take their place.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Gazbo
I think it might be a good thing thing that Stu and Baz have left. As two of the more prominent posters on this forum, their absense will hopefully give space for new and weaker members to take their place.

Don't you think some people can miss their posts or were friends with them ? That's not a nice thing to say. Can't wait for you to leave if you think so. Hopefully it will give space for new and weaker members to take your place.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Gazbo
I think it might be a good thing thing that Stu and Baz have left. As two of the more prominent posters on this forum, their absense will hopefully give space for new and weaker members to take their place.

Don't you think some people can miss their posts or were friends with them ? That's not a nice thing to say. Can't wait for you to leave if you think so. Hopefully it will give space for new and weaker members to take your place.

I was tryin to find some sort of light at the end of a tunnel. I myself very much enjoyed the company of both but if neither are happy here, why try to make them come back? Yes I will miss them but maybe just maybe something good can come from them leaving.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Gazbo
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Gazbo
I think it might be a good thing thing that Stu and Baz have left. As two of the more prominent posters on this forum, their absense will hopefully give space for new and weaker members to take their place.

Don't you think some people can miss their posts or were friends with them ? That's not a nice thing to say. Can't wait for you to leave if you think so. Hopefully it will give space for new and weaker members to take your place.

I was tryin to find some sort of light at the end of a tunnel. I myself very much enjoyed the company of both but if neither are happy here, why try to make them come back? Yes I will miss them but maybe just maybe something good can come from them leaving.

First of all Stu will be back as he is not banned for good. And nothing is good when a great member leaves (Linda, Luva ...) and if you enjoyed their compagny of course. I just don't see how it could be.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Gazbo
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : Gazbo
I think it might be a good thing thing that Stu and Baz have left. As two of the more prominent posters on this forum, their absense will hopefully give space for new and weaker members to take their place.

Don't you think some people can miss their posts or were friends with them ? That's not a nice thing to say. Can't wait for you to leave if you think so. Hopefully it will give space for new and weaker members to take your place.

I was tryin to find some sort of light at the end of a tunnel. I myself very much enjoyed the company of both but if neither are happy here, why try to make them come back? Yes I will miss them but maybe just maybe something good can come from them leaving.

First of all Stu will be back as he is not banned for good. And nothing is good when a great member leaves (Linda, Luva ...) and if you enjoyed their compagny of course. I just don't see how it could be.

And thats fine, you don't have to but you didn't have to say that you "couldn't wait for me to leave". You had no right to say that because we didn't sahre the same opinion.

[Conor]

Why would anyone want to take a 'Higher position' on a forum? I don't get it. Some people treat this place as if you have to have millions of posts and be amazingly funny and be loved by everyone and gain popularity. The sooner Stu is back the better! I just hope he'll be more careful next time. Its his last warning. Also, It would be great to have MrLuvaluva back as well as Chewy. And I wish Shaun was unbanned :(

All the amazing members are leaving/banned. I can only think of about 6 or 7 now :bored:

[Scarlett.]

A lot are taking a break
The atmosphere is bad here at the mo
I check out the site everyday
I think most people might come back

and please dont argue in threads, its putting me of this place

I am going to return during BB9, I am willing to bet a few more will too:sad:

[*mazedsalv**]

When people say bad atmosphere, what do they really mean? I guess its just me but I cant feel any bad atmosphere.

[Scarlett.]

Just stuff thats been happening
and maybe we just overloaded on TiBB and got too involved

We just need a bit of a break

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Chewy
Just stuff thats been happening
and maybe we just overloaded on TiBB and got too involved

We just need a bit of a break

Hey Chewy, nice to see you back for a bit before BB9 :spin2: How are you doing?

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Chewy
Just stuff thats been happening
and maybe we just overloaded on TiBB and got too involved

We just need a bit of a break

Hey Chewy, nice to see you back for a bit before BB9 :spin2: How are you doing? Good thanks

I am tempted to come back fully
but I need to take a break from here
as I got too involved before
and it isnt a good thing

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
When people say bad atmosphere, what do they really mean? I guess its just me but I cant feel any bad atmosphere.

No not me either, except that its been a bit quiet on here.

[Xander]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
When people say bad atmosphere, what do they really mean? I guess its just me but I cant feel any bad atmosphere.

You can't feel it, its just with what people have been posting and fighting leaves people to feel quite negative and not post much.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : *mazedsalv**
When people say bad atmosphere, what do they really mean? I guess its just me but I cant feel any bad atmosphere.

I guess you missed a lot of threads which brought drama and all this stuff.

[Aesculapius]

Its Stu. TiBB's Most Counterproductive Member - 2007.

You lot deserve to know what happened with me last night. So before this account is banned , let me tell you , and hopefully it will clear up some problems.

Many people think I am related to the whole Shaun incedent. However , that was only part of my leaving. All I will say is that I was/am tired of some of the forums censorship and treatment of its members. The Big Brother game not being allowed back , despite an overwhelming majority wanting it back , was also another factor in my leaving. Censorship. Damage control.

Thats all I will say on the matter , as I dont want this post deleted. Like I said , you lot deserve an explanation. Not everybody might think this forum is too censorship ridden , and thats fine , but they are my views.

Now for last night. Thats when the **** hit the fans. I made the choice , without trolling or spamming , to leave. I wanted to go out in quiet a weird fashion , so I became the first ever TiBB member to ASK MYSELF FOR A BAN.

This thread , sadly , was locked. Dont ask me why , because I honestly dont know.

What followed was me getting a ban after trying to give myself a farewell thread twice. That was it. Despite a personal message to the owner of this forum , I was not given my thread.

Thus , it was AFTER that the spamming commenced.

Anyway , its been a blast and all that , but im leaving on a jet plane. Wave goodbye. And no , im not coming back. So please , leave this message here. I dont want a third party telling people what happened.

Post edited - Admin

[Conor]

Stu, you were by far one of the best TiBB members ever :) I loved all your posts. You were funny, witty and knew how to put people in their place. You were just, well, Stu :thumbs: All the best for the future,

Conor.

[Jack]

You were a great member Stu. You deserve a proper send-off thread. TiBB won't be the same without you.

[Lauren]

Whats a proper send off thread going to do? He's gone and not coming back. It's best if we email him our goodbyes so he can... y'know... actually read them.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Lauren
Whats a proper send off thread going to do? He's gone and not coming back. It's best if we email him our goodbyes so he can... y'know... actually read them.

I was refering to Stu's last post. He said he tried twice to give himself a farewell thread, but they got locked and deleted. I'm just saying I don't think that's fair seeing as he's a well respected member. And not everyone has his email, and I'm sure he could still read the replies in the thread, you don't have to be a member to read the forum "y'know".

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Lauren
Whats a proper send off thread going to do? He's gone and not coming back. It's best if we email him our goodbyes so he can... y'know... actually read them.

I was refering to Stu's last post. He said he tried twice to give himself a farewell thread, but they got locked and deleted. I'm just saying I don't think that's fair seeing as he's a well respected member. And not everyone has his email, and I'm sure he could still read the replies in the thread, you don't have to be a member to read the forum "y'know".

True. I was looking through the forum for about 3 weeks before I registered.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Lauren
Whats a proper send off thread going to do? He's gone and not coming back. It's best if we email him our goodbyes so he can... y'know... actually read them.

I was refering to Stu's last post. He said he tried twice to give himself a farewell thread, but they got locked and deleted. I'm just saying I don't think that's fair seeing as he's a well respected member. And not everyone has his email, and I'm sure he could still read the replies in the thread, you don't have to be a member to read the forum "y'know".

So he's leaving but coming back as a non-member. Hmm, pointless task if he is. Why leave if you're going to be there.

Also, I was referring to his post too. I just used your quote.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Jack
Originally posted by Lauren
Whats a proper send off thread going to do? He's gone and not coming back. It's best if we email him our goodbyes so he can... y'know... actually read them.

I was refering to Stu's last post. He said he tried twice to give himself a farewell thread, but they got locked and deleted. I'm just saying I don't think that's fair seeing as he's a well respected member. And not everyone has his email, and I'm sure he could still read the replies in the thread, you don't have to be a member to read the forum "y'know".

So he's leaving but coming back as a non-member. Hmm, pointless task if he is. Why leave if you're going to be there.

Also, I was referring to his post too. I just used your quote.

What I'm saying is he could come back to read the comments made in his farewell thread. I'm sure most ex-members (banned or left through free will read the forum time to time).

[CassetteFinger]

This forum is going so down hill.

[Mark]

Actually traffic is at an all time high :kiss:

[Magic]

Originally posted by Mark
Actually traffic is at an all time high :kiss:

But surely we always get more people before Big Brother starts?

Its a shame Baz has gone, I just hope he will come back.

[andybigbro]

I didnt relise he had gone. But i am sure he will come back when he is ready.

[*mazedsalv**]

Hopefully he will come back, I liked him.