So how old is Jennifer's baby and how can she leave her?

[Sticks]

Did I hear right that Jennifer has a baby daughter?

So why has she gone in and left a baby without it's mother?

If I were the father, I would use the fact she was on the show to win custody and limit access.

I know it's early days, but she is one I would select for an early exit to try and minimise the separation time if it is not too late.

[Youknowwhoiam]

i think she is my favourite. the witch

[Lauren]

I had the impression her daughter was no longer a baby, and was a bit older? I'm not entirely sure. Not that I agree with leaving a kid parentless for a reality tv show, though.

[Shaun]

I think a few of them said they've had children... Alexandra and Jennifer, maybe Rebecca too. Not sure.

[Sticks]

Alexandra has a child who ay be older, Rebecca just works with children

[Lauren]

Did I hear that "Mario" has 2 children from a previous marriage too? (On the live feed).

[Sticks]

Finally from the Sun of all places See here (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/big_brother/the_housemates/) we get that her daughter is 22months or 1year 10 months, so approaching her second birthday.

Depending on how she behaves in the house, I suspect if she has fallen out with the father he could use this appearance on Big Brother to apply for custody, if she has not already lost it, and deny access calling her an unfit mother.

For her own sake and that of her daughter, she needs to go ASAP

(Someone on the board said they knew her, do they have any inside information on this?)

[fairymoon]

sorry but why call her an unfit mother, what gets me is that dads can just up and leave and nothing is ever said but when a mum does it she unfit pls dont judge till you know facts

[Sticks]

Originally posted by fairymoon
sorry but why call her an unfit mother, what gets me is that dads can just up and leave and nothing is ever said but when a mum does it she unfit pls dont judge till you know facts

I did not mean to say I thought she was an unfit mother, just that if someone wanted to be take her child from her, that is what they would call her.

I would rather she not loose custody, but I do think that separation at such an early age is not a good idea.

I hope this clarifies my position

[fairymoon]

ok but dads go away and come bk same point really not fair to judge till we no facts

[Sticks]

According to the Evening Chronicle (http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2008/06/06/part-time-model-jennifer-joins-big-brother-house-72703-21034064/) she has a husband, but the official sight lists her has single :conf:



Andy Ritchie, 26, has lived two doors down from Jennifer on Co-operative Street for the past six months. He said: “I know Jennifer to say hello to, but I speak to her husband David more.


Lauren, you said you had a connection to her, anyway you can use you contacts to find out what the situation is and who is looking after her daughter?

[Jackie]

Well if she has a husband thats okay or maybe her parents are looking after her.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks

Lauren, you said you had a connection to her, anyway you can use you contacts to find out what the situation is and who is looking after her daughter?

I shall ask my friend, who lives on the same street too.

[Lauren]

Sounds like she does have a bad relationship with the father... she just said on live feed "I need to get rid of one tattoo.. ... tattoo over the top of it" and Dale asked why, and she said "I'm not saying" and Sylvia said "Ah, love tale!"

From the official site...
Status: Separated

[Sticks]

Which could mean that the father could use the fact she is on a reality tv show to get custody and deny access, just for spite.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Which could mean that the father could use the fact she is on a reality tv show to get custody and deny access, just for spite.

It's possible, though it could be possible he has visitation rights and so is looking after the child at the moment anyway? He may not want full custody.

I shall try and get details of the child arrangements if I can, I know someone who lives in her street.

[Sticks]

One keeps imagining the little girl crying her eyes out wondering where her mummy is :sad:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
One keeps imagining the little girl crying her eyes out wondering where her mummy is :sad:

Which would be reminiscent of an insecure attachment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_in_children). If it's the case, maybe an absence is a good thing?

[CassetteFinger]

I keep thinking this woman is called Jessica.

[Pinkmilkchick]

I really don't think any court would use the fact she appeared on BB as a reason to take away custody from her.. or even limit it! Why would they? As long as she has ensured her child is cared for in the mean time.. whats the problemo?
How many women hire nannies whilst they work all over the world and don't see their children for weeks/months on end....

She might come out and make a fortune for her and her child to live happily ever after.... :bouncy:

Faye (ps. Hi! I'm new!!! lol)

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
I really don't think any court would use the fact she appeared on BB as a reason to take away custody from her.. or even limit it!

Depends on the lawyers and also and compliant social workers from social services

Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
Why would they?

All though this may be hypothetical at this time, the Why, depends on how amicable the split was, since Jennifer is listed as separated. If it was acrimonious, the driving force would be spite

Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
As long as she has ensured her child is cared for in the mean time.. whats the problemo?

May not be a problem, but that has never stopped some people in the past, especially bitter exs or over zealous social services.

Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
How many women hire nannies whilst they work all over the world and don't see their children for weeks/months on end....

But those women can hire expensive lawyers


Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
She might come out and make a fortune for her and her child to live happily ever after.... :bouncy:

But then it might all go pear shaped since we have a saturated market of Z list celebrities. If my scenario is true, it is not a happy ever after if someone has grabbed her child officially

Originally posted by Pinkmilkchick
Faye (ps. Hi! I'm new!!! lol)

Hello Pinkmilkchick, wlcome to TiBB

Make sure you have read the forum rules (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/faq.php?page=forumrules) (Advice we give all new comers so don't take this personally) and have fun


Legal tricks aside, what about the potential psychological problems this instils into the child with thios long separation. What about the effect it has on Jennifer?

I do feel that with the age of her child, such as it is, she was ill advised to go on the show, and for both their sakes I would evict her ASAP, although the way the other HMs have been rumbling the wedding task I suspect she will not be up for evition this week.

[Sticks]

Thanks to the News of the world, (See here) (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/bigbrother/0806_jennifer.shtml) we have an answer.

The baby is staying with the maternal grandparents.

I still think she needs to come out ASAP to see if this can be repaired.

Looks like Jennifer got addicted to Big Brother and lost her focus.

[mammylove1]

Looks as if some are pussyfooting around this issue,.. i however, have no such qualms... i think shes a nasty, self centred bitch, for leaving her young child, just to appear on a reality TV show.. jeez! talk about getting your priorities wrong.
I hope shes out soon,.. and she knows, what the North east is like.. she wont be garunteed a great reception when she does return.. I'm in the north east,.. and from what I've heard, not many people are impressed with her, to say the least.
As a housemate,.. shes an amoeba, thick, and obviously bigged herself up in her VT, without having the slighest intention of seeing all the 'controversial opinions' stuff through. Shes scared of Alex and the wolves.. shes a big disappointment.. in a number of ways.
her pathetic 'flirting with dale, for a magazine deal is laughable, and pathetic.
What a loser the girl is.

[Lauren]

mammylove1 - I disagree with the way you question her parenting abilities based on assumptions. Not that its your place to question her parenting abilities ANYWAY, but this is a forum and obviously you're entitled to spout. However, from what I can gather (I'm not in the NE at the moment so I can't visit any friends) - her daughter is staying with family who live right by CoOp St, and the father is involved in the upbringing. So it's not much of an issue.

Plus, loads of other HMs are doing the same, what about Mario? He's leaving 2 daughters too, he gets no stick for it.

Also, about the NE 'not many people are impressed with her, to say the least' - quite contrary to what I have heard. People are not going to dislike her because where she is or isn't from - so I don't even think it's a valid point. Her overall general population popularity is what is important.

Edit: Damn, just read Sticks post - NOTW beat me in my investigating skills!! :laugh:

[Sticks]

So Lauren

You have established independently of the NOTW David, Jennifer's husband does have access to baby Madeline (yes that is Jennifer's daughter's name), who is staying with her maternal grandparents?

What I was worried might happen is a custody fight with access by Jennifer restricted or cut off, because she has appeared on a reality tv show.

If you can get word back to David, my suggestion is that whilst Jennifer had time on her hands being pregnant and watching BB7, she picked up a psychological addiction which went un-noticed and once she gets out, hopefully this will be out her system. (Addictions are horrible things). Why C4 / Endemol did not spot this is beyond me, and David also needs to realise that C4 / Endemol also have a culpability here, as they did pick her when they could have picked someone else. (Although they could try and hide behind equality legislation)


The best scenario is for them to get back together and repair the family. What I would like David to know is that there is someone, as soon as she comes up who is gearing up to run the extract Jennifer campaign. (I prefer that to Get Jennifer out- as that implices malice where as the objective is to try and reunite a mother with her child)

This year, I have been assigned to Jennifer, Maddeline and David by the Cyber Guardian's office and the descision is that her best interests requires her removal from the Big Brother house.

Kind of unique position, where I have to work to get my client out without villifying them. Mind you last time I did that as a Cyber Warrior prior to cyber Devil's Advocate days, was with Paul Clarke in BB2, but I digress.

Summary Lauren, try to make sure David does not act in haste, there is someone who will try and get Jennifer out of there, and after this stint, hopefully she should recover and he needs to realise she may not have been herself due to extenuating circumstances.

[Lauren]

Oh no Sticks - you've given me a mission!

I'll see what I can do - but it's harder than I first imagined. As you can appreciate I am only getting small details because Jennifer is of course a friends friend, rather than a friend of my own - so I am not aware of her family etc.

[Captain.Remy]

So how old is Jennifer's baby and how can she leave her?


Because she's a wannabe who needs money and may want to model and why not singing. :thumbs:

[Lauren]

Can I just add, how come the same uproar isn't occurring over Mario leaving his children etc?

[LargeAndInCharge]

because it is viewed differently whena father leavesd there kids for some reason

plus mario daughter is like 19 so quite capabile of lookin after her own like

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Brother
because it is viewed differently whena father leavesd there kids for some reason

plus mario daughter is like 19 so quite capabile of lookin after her own like

It's not a case of being looked after - Jennifer's daughter is being looked after fine.

For Sticks, the issue is absence.

[LargeAndInCharge]

i think both parents are as bad as each other.

the father took drugs i believe and jennifer has got addicted to big brother so i think there both bad as each other

her daughter is bein looked after by 3 people nan and grandad and the father. and any aunt and uncles avaliable

[Lauren]

Being addicted to BB is as bad as being on dangerous drugs you say?


.... Um.

[LargeAndInCharge]

no no sorry

whats iam saying in court they will hold them two 'issuse' if you like and use them against each other clients.

but i think jennifer has done nout wrong, maybe if her baby was a bit older then things would be ok.

but the baby is gettin a lot of care while she is away, it no different these parent work in london and never hardly see there kids like

so GO Jennifer, iam loving her!!!!

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by mammylove1
Looks as if some are pussyfooting around this issue,.. i however, have no such qualms... i think shes a nasty, self centred bitch, for leaving her young child, just to appear on a reality TV show.. jeez! talk about getting your priorities wrong.
I hope shes out soon,.. and she knows, what the North east is like.. she wont be garunteed a great reception when she does return.. I'm in the north east,.. and from what I've heard, not many people are impressed with her, to say the least.
As a housemate,.. shes an amoeba, thick, and obviously bigged herself up in her VT, without having the slighest intention of seeing all the 'controversial opinions' stuff through. Shes scared of Alex and the wolves.. shes a big disappointment.. in a number of ways.
her pathetic 'flirting with dale, for a magazine deal is laughable, and pathetic.
What a loser the girl is.

Agreed. Nothing would make me leave my daughter who's just slighly older than her little girl, for such a potentially long time. It's somewhat unnatural.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by InTheFade

Agreed. Nothing would make me leave my daughter who's just slighly older than her little girl, for such a potentially long time. It's somewhat unnatural.

But all people are not the same.

It's not going to affect her little girl. Some people have the same situation if a parent goes into hospital for a long time. It's not going to affect her child. You make it sound like it was an easy decision for Jennifer - it could've been very difficult.

Like I said, though, everyones different. You can't apply your own beliefs and expectations to other people.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by InTheFade

Agreed. Nothing would make me leave my daughter who's just slighly older than her little girl, for such a potentially long time. It's somewhat unnatural.

But all people are not the same.

It's not going to affect her little girl. Some people have the same situation if a parent goes into hospital for a long time. It's not going to affect her child. You make it sound like it was an easy decision for Jennifer - it could've been very difficult.

Like I said, though, everyones different. You can't apply your own beliefs and expectations to other people.

You can visit relatives in hospital... her child certainly will be affected if they have a bond of any sort.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by InTheFade

You can visit relatives in hospital... her child certainly will be affected if they have a bond of any sort.

No you can't. Sometimes the doctors advise against allowing the child to see the parent if they're in a distressing situation.

This can happen for months, and the child is fine.

I know this is skimming the issue somewhat, but long term that child won't be affected negatively. It'll provide a healthy attachment figurehead if the parent can have an absence but come back each time. The problem starts when the parent doesn't come back.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren

For Sticks, the issue is absence.

Exactly, plus sometimes a young child may get it into their head that the parent went away because they were naughty causing long term psychological trauma.

The other issue, is that when Jennifer gets out, I did not want her loosing custody and being denied access.

Since she is with grandparents and her father may have access, (Lauren to confirm), we would hope social services would not swoop in a baby harvesting raid. (David's prior cocaine use could be used against him) One possible danger would be if David initiated divorce proceedings and applied for custody, hence the urging not to do anything hasty.

Which leads to the next issue, this family has been fractured, and needs to be healed, if possible. From what I have read, it does seem that Jennifer developed a psychological addition and Endemol / C4 took advantage - as they always do :mad:

[Emilee]

I dont agree with it, but im glad the baby is staying with its maternal grandparents,

[Hugo]

I have a feeling she will be a real bitch.

[Ashleee:)]

I guess its not really for me to say, but i personally couldnt do it to my children.
Especially since i think its more than possible that her life will change when she getsout the house, whether in a bad way or not we'll have to wait and see.
Some people just fade back into their normal life after leaving the show, i just cant see that happening to her.

[armani]

well there are ppl like her grandmother she or he can stay with in the mean time?:conf2: