The argument - who was in the right..?

[Mike]

Now we have all seen the Michael/Mario/Sylvia/Alex argument on the highlights show who do you think was in the right?

[Billy]

Alex and Sylvia

[Sam1994]

Alex/Sylvia

[Magic]

Despite finding Michael annoying, I dont think they were in the wrong.
They only wanted fun, Alex shouldnt of gone so far.

[Matt10k]

Well Michael shouldn't have done it but Alex clearly overreacted on purpose so she can complete the next phase of her 'charley cloning process'.

[JOSHUAH!]

Fair enough, what Micky done may have been wrong. However, Alex spoke to him terribly, especially in the garden - shes nasty and callas. I want her OUT. She wouldnt listen to him, she targeted him, and she was just plain nasty.

[Shaun]

Michael and Mario.

Alex and Sylvia are pathetic wannabe "IT girls".

The point of a stag night is to have fun. Boring cows.

[ProjectWeirdo]

Alex/Sylvia were in the right if you ask me...

It was a little creepy of him to put those knickers on in the first place...

[cgimusic]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Well Michael shouldn't have done it but Alex clearly overreacted on purpose so she can complete the next phase of her 'charley cloning process'.

Precisely what I was thinking.

[Callum]

Alex/Sylvia. Even if he's blind doesn't give him the right to put someone's pantys on, he's a rude git.

[_Tom_]

Mario and Michael

[Stevos]

Any moral high ground that the girls had was lost when they slated degraded and belittled Mikey. Most men, on a stag night would have one exactly the same thing.

Respect, the girl doesn't know the meaning of the word. Mikey gave a nice clear and reasoable explanation for his action, but Alex did't want to listen. Hopefully this spiteful woman will be the fist out. She is a dangerous girl, a kind of Charlie with half a brain

[GoreCartoons]

I dont mind Sylvia and to be honest I can see why she'd be upset about what Mikey did however, Mario said it all in the diary room, it was a misunderstanding, nothing more nothing less.

Alex however is a different matter. I've not seen her smile since the say she went into the house, Hell I've not seen her smile EVER!

She's got one heck of a chip on her shoulder, thats for sure!

[Killian]

He put on her freakin' knickers. I'm thinking that Sylvia and Alexandra were in the right at the moment.

[Ross]

There should just be an option for 'Sylvia.' as she was right. Alexandra didn't need to get her big gob involved.

[stotts]

Makes u ask the question why did she leave her dirty thong lieing around in the first place! scumbag! oh and yeah GET ALEX OUT!!!! nobody remembers the first one out!!

[MontanaFX]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Well Michael shouldn't have done it but Alex clearly overreacted on purpose so she can complete the next phase of her 'charley cloning process'. I agree with the 1st bit, but I dont agree she is cloning Char. I have met 100 girls like them two.

[Princess]

Alex and Sylvia were in the right BUT they shouldn't have shouted so much. Mikey doesn't even seem sorry though!

[andybigbro]

Alex and Sylvia

[Stevos]

Originally posted by _Tom_
Mario and Michael

get over yourself. The guy was messing around, have you never done that. Is that not the very reason they are in the house. Oly those 2 girls who are so far up their own ars* would have caused such a rumpus over childish pranks.

[ChelseaFan]

Originally posted by Shaun
Michael and Mario.

Alex and Sylvia are pathetic wannabe "IT girls".

The point of a stag night is to have fun. Boring cows.

I'm with you on this

[Gemmer-x]

Mikey and Mario

[Bells]

Michael should have been more tactful, and he showed himself to be a bit unpleasant with what he did. Having said that, he probably got caught up in the moment of a stag night. I think Mario's logic was well reasoned in the DR. Also, Sylvia/Alex could easily have handled the situation far better - they were awful and I don't like either of them. To me, this isn't a clear 'they were right, and they were wrong' argument though...

[andybigbro]

Alex and Sylvia

[andybigbro]

Alex and Sylvia

[Rowlatts]

If someone like Dale had put her knickers on then I don't think Sylvia and Alex would have reacted in the same way, they would have seen it as a laugh.

It probably wasn't the best idea by Michael but I don't think he meant any harm.

[sol]

I'm kind of divided. Although what Michael did was quite disrespectful I don't think he meant any harm when he did it.
I think Sylvia had a right to be offended and upset as it's her clothing which he used.
However I think that how Alexandra ripped into Michael was out of order, she blew it way out of proportion and I think she just wanted an argument. I can tell that she's one of these hot heads who's looking for something to conflict over every 5 seconds.

[Stevos]

Originally posted by Ross
There should just be an option for 'Sylvia.' as she was right. Alexandra didn't need to get her big gob involved.
He put on Sylvia's knickers. By Alex reations you woud think he killed her dog.

This girl would cause trouble in a convent.

[xGemmax]

At the beginning I thought Micheal and Mario were in the wrong..I mean that's just gross!! But then Sylvia went way over the top starting to shout and swear, and that psycho bitch Alexandra went into a five minute 'look at me' rant, so I'm now on Micheal and Mario's side. I truly CAN NOT STAND Alexandra now, I've witnessed people like that before in life, and they are not worth my time of effort.

[GoreCartoons]

Originally posted by Stevos
Originally posted by _Tom_
Mario and Michael

get over yourself. The guy was messing around, have you never done that. Is that not the very reason they are in the house. Oly those 2 girls who are so far up their own ars* would have caused such a rumpus over childish pranks.

I agree, its Big Brother for christs sake, why go in if all your gonna do is be a moody bitch 24/7!

[Bright-Eyes]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Well Michael shouldn't have done it but Alex clearly overreacted on purpose so she can complete the next phase of her 'charley cloning process'. I agree 100% with that.

[*mazedsalv**]

Alex was the only one in the wrong. i agree with the others.

[flloyd]

**** me if a guy cant put a girls knickers on for a laugh then whats the point any of those girls going in to the big brother house.. Is there any point in alexander been in this world anyway. GET THE DIRTY BITCHES OUT.Alex and Syvia.

[aly]

leaving your knickers round the house is just as disrespectful i thought alexandra was a muslim whatever happened to a lady behaving and dressing modestly. I wouldnt count leaving your thong lieing around the house modest.

[dylissimo]

Alex/Sylvia were.

Michael is a creep, the way he demanded that they should have dressed as bunnies and then just put on someone else's underwear. Also he was the first one to say "F OFF!"

I hate that Michael is being portrayed as a innocent blind victim, like Alex said he shouldn't be patronised or have exceptions made for him, he should be treated like everyone else.

Really don't like Michael.

[Loukas]

Silvia NOT Alex! Alex really shouldn't of got involved!

[Sam1994]

Originally posted by dylissimo
Alex/Sylvia were.

Michael is a creep, the way he demanded that they should have dressed as bunnies and then just put on someone else's underwear. Also he was the first one to say "F OFF!"

I hate that Michael is being portrayed as a innocent blind victim, like Alex said he shouldn't be patronised or have exceptions made for him, he should be treated like everyone else.

Really don't like Michael.

That is the only post of sense in this whole topic. I totally agree with you.

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Sam1994
Originally posted by dylissimo
Alex/Sylvia were.

Michael is a creep, the way he demanded that they should have dressed as bunnies and then just put on someone else's underwear. Also he was the first one to say "F OFF!"

I hate that Michael is being portrayed as a innocent blind victim, like Alex said he shouldn't be patronised or have exceptions made for him, he should be treated like everyone else.

Really don't like Michael.

That is the only post of sense in this whole topic. I totally agree with you.

I 100% agree too! It's just not fair!

[CassetteFinger]

Sylvia not Alexandra, why was she getting involved?

[GoreCartoons]

Originally posted by dylissimo
Alex/Sylvia were.

Michael is a creep, the way he demanded that they should have dressed as bunnies and then just put on someone else's underwear. Also he was the first one to say "F OFF!"

I hate that Michael is being portrayed as a innocent blind victim, like Alex said he shouldn't be patronised or have exceptions made for him, he should be treated like everyone else.

Really don't like Michael.

I dont think anyones sticking up for him because hes blind, I think people are behind him because at the end of the day what he did wasnt worth all the hassel he got off Alex, someone who wasnt even involved in the argument before she brought herself into it

[pinkmichk]

mario and mikey
ok it wasnt exactly the best thing mikey could of done but it could have been worse least he had tights and a leotard on
it was funny to watch pure stag do behaviour if you ask me
alex had no need to be butting in it wasnt her pants he had on anyway charley wannabe :rolleyes:

[Dan_]

Sylvia was in the right.Michael might be blind but I don't think he's stupid, he knows they were someone else's underwear and he shouldn't be putting them on.It was incredibly rude and disrespectful for him to think it was acceptable to put anyone else underwear on.It might have just been for a laugh but I'm sure most people wouldn't find it funny if it happened to them.

Alex shouldn't really have got herself involved though.

[Deirdre]

WTF was Mario saying that Michael didnt know it was a thong cause he's blind...?? Come on, he may be blind but not retarded, he can feel that's it's a thong. Rediculous.

[MaDdOctoR]

well, you'd think that someone who had "witnessed" a war would not really care about cold water and someone putting on her knickers...

and as for Alex...can BB not find a black woman that doesn't have an attitude? or is that the only type of black woman that applies?

can't stand the fact that no one told her to shut the ***** up and stop being a complete knob.

She was in the wrong, and saw it as another opportunity to act up to the camera in that oh so boring "look at me I'm loud and like to shout" kind of way, Sylvia...had a right to be annoyed...but just went over the top...with it.

and as for the bit in the ashtray where Alex said "and yoo tookit too fah bay sayyin ***** off Mickey" er...we've all seen the argument...who was the FIRST person to say "*****" in there, cause it wasn't Mickey...I personally wish he told them both to "***** off and s*ck my c*ck" irritating pair of bitches...they seemed ok the first night...but well...things change.

dOc

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by patheticfool
WTF was Mario saying that Michael didnt know it was a thong cause he's blind...?? Come on, he may be blind but not retarded, he can feel that's it's a thong. Rediculous.
he probably meant he didn't know if it was a mens or womens thong (some men wear thongs to you know)

if anyone is at fault, it should be Mario and Dennis...as they could see it was a girls thong.

dOc

[Lauren]

Sylvia was in the right. What a dirty perverted man Michael is. A horrible horrible gross excuse for a person and should learn manners. The initial act itself was horrible, but had he apologised and said he meant it in jest it wouldn't have been made a big deal. However, he stood there, upon hearing Sylvia close to tears and clearly offended (no-one pull the blind card, she said "I'm offended!") - yet stood and laughed at her.

Alexandra shouldn't have intervened. (Same with Mario).

[MarkV]

Alex went waaay over the top they weren't even hers, i think she was still mad about the wedding arguement earlier on.

Alex said mikey was disrespectful but when he tried to explain what happened in the garden she just turned to talked to everyone else, what a hypocrit!
Hell i hope they pass the task just so I can vote to get Alex out!

[Arneldo]

Sylvia had every right to be annoyed. Michael was totally in the wrong, and should learn to think about other people before he does things.

Alexandra & Mario shouldnt have got involved.

[Hades]

Alcohol + Stag Night + OTT Sense of humor + The fact that the knickers were just left lying their = Michael getting a pardon , in my book.

[Tom]

Alex & Sylvia

Although the knickers shouldn't have been lying around, its still disrespectful to treat someone elses stuff in that way and then to say "lets dispose of this dirty garment" implies shes a tramp.

Its all "poor Michael, he's blind so he can say anything to anyone or do anything".

[DarnellsDarkSide]

If Michael wasnt wearing the leotard it woulda bene pretty weird, which to be fair it wasn't the most normal thing either, it easily could have been brushed off, but it made for a good confrontation eh!:spin2:

[Hades]

Rubbish , Tom. Even if Michael had perfect 20/20 vision , it was still a piss up stag night with a joke gone too far. Nothing more. No ''horrible , horrible , gross excuse for a person''.

Your the one worse off for even bringing the blind card into it.

Instead of Michaels self respect , why dont we lark on the girl that left a thong lying around on naitonal television in a shared house?

[KingRock]

Alex was a complete ****.

How can someone who got pregnant at 15 accuse someone else of not respecting themselves.

I'm not sure what is larger at the moment, her fat mouth or her loose baby maker. All I know is she could of saved herself alot of trouble by keeping both of them shut.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Hades
Rubbish , Tom. Even if Michael had perfect 20/20 vision , it was still a p**s up stag night with a joke gone too far. Nothing more. No ''horrible , horrible , gross excuse for a person''.

Your the one worse off for even bringing the blind card into it.

Instead of Michaels self respect , why dont we lark on the girl that left a thong lying around on naitonal television in a shared house?

I did bring that up if you read my post correctly but even if they were left there she has a right for her stuff to be left alone. We are supposed to feel sorry for Michael even though he was the one in the wrong. Sylvia and Alex were the ones that brought the issue up and they came out of it looking worse off.

[Tom]

Originally posted by KingRock
Alex was a complete ****.

How can someone who got pregnant at 15 accuse someone else of not respecting themselves.

I'm not sure what is larger at the moment, her fat mouth or her loose baby maker. All I know is she could of saved herself alot of trouble by keeping both of them shut.

Or maybe you could shut yours :thumbs:

She might have had a kid at 15 and I'm not defending that because what you say is right until you got to the third sentence. That comment is just too far ...

[bryanb08]

i loved lukes comment in the diary room that the underwear shouldn't have been left in there for a day,

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Hades
Rubbish , Tom. Even if Michael had perfect 20/20 vision , it was still a p**s up stag night with a joke gone too far.

And it only went too far cos he was laughing when Sylvia was clearly upset and actually said "I'm offended". He was completely oblivious to her feelings, or just disregarded them.

[Christina]

Well tbh i wouldnt like it if a man went prancing around in my knickers either lool. But im not sure i cant really decide. It wasnt nice of Alex and Sylvia to both gang up on Micheal but then again it wasnt nice of Micheal to tell Slyvia to '****** off!' when they were her knickers and she was clearly upset by what he had done ... x

[Polka.dot]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Hades
Rubbish , Tom. Even if Michael had perfect 20/20 vision , it was still a p**s up stag night with a joke gone too far.

And it only went too far cos he was laughing when Sylvia was clearly upset and actually said "I'm offended". He was completely oblivious to her feelings, or just disregarded them.

Maybe he thought she was joking? He didn't mean for it to be taken so seriously. To add to that, I thought the way she reacted was despicable; particularly the involvement of Alexandra as well. This is an ultimate case where the effects of the argument outshone the cause itself - I'm fully backing Michael here.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bigbro323

Maybe he thought she was joking? He didn't mean for it to be taken so seriously. To add to that, I thought the way she reacted was despicable; particularly the involvement of Alexandra as well. This is an ultimate case where the effects of the argument outshone the cause itself - I'm fully backing Michael here.

I already said that Alexandra shouldn't have got involved - and Sylvia is not to blame for her involvement. What did Sylvia do wrong in terms of her reaction? I think she controlled herself quite well. If I found the dirty scoundrel smelling and wearing my pants I'd have had more severe words with him.

He knew the moment she said "I'm offended" that she wasn't joking. He's blind, not deaf nor stupid.

[Polka.dot]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bigbro323

Maybe he thought she was joking? He didn't mean for it to be taken so seriously. To add to that, I thought the way she reacted was despicable; particularly the involvement of Alexandra as well. This is an ultimate case where the effects of the argument outshone the cause itself - I'm fully backing Michael here.

I already said that Alexandra shouldn't have got involved - and Sylvia is not to blame for her involvement. What did Sylvia do wrong in terms of her reaction? I think she controlled herself quite well. If I found the dirty scoundrel smelling and wearing my pants I'd have had more severe words with him.

He knew the moment she said "I'm offended" that she wasn't joking. He's blind, not deaf nor stupid.

It's not about being deaf or stupid. Some people don't know how to react during confrontation - their natural reaction could be to laugh. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people. 'Dirty scoundrel' or even 'vile' are harsh words to use - having a laugh just doesn't seem to be allowed these days. Yes, he could've been a bit more understanding of the situation before he did what he did, but Sylvia could equally have dealt with him better.

[Tom]

I thought it was more disrespectful how he said "lets dispose of the dirty garment" or something to that effect.

[Ashleee:)]

Im backing Michael, although i dont think he should have wore them without asking who's they were and if he could wear them. However, the girls shouting at him like that and the way they spoke to him in my eyes was bullying.......

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bigbro323

Maybe he thought she was joking? He didn't mean for it to be taken so seriously. To add to that, I thought the way she reacted was despicable; particularly the involvement of Alexandra as well. This is an ultimate case where the effects of the argument outshone the cause itself - I'm fully backing Michael here.

I already said that Alexandra shouldn't have got involved - and Sylvia is not to blame for her involvement. What did Sylvia do wrong in terms of her reaction? I think she controlled herself quite well. If I found the dirty scoundrel smelling and wearing my pants I'd have had more severe words with him.

He knew the moment she said "I'm offended" that she wasn't joking. He's blind, not deaf nor stupid.

Well, anyone who puts on somebody's else's knickers thinking its funny definitely isnt the smartest person in the world.

On another note I thought Mario defending him was wrong. I think Mario is, in a way, arse licking Michael and looking after him like Michael is a child. I think it was pretty obvious in the DR. Mario and Dennis were wrong for egging him on.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bigbro323

It's not about being deaf or stupid. Some people don't know how to react during confrontation - their natural reaction could be to laugh. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people. 'Dirty scoundrel' or even 'vile' are harsh words to use - having a laugh just doesn't seem to be allowed these days. Yes, he could've been a bit more understanding of the situation before he did what he did, but Sylvia could equally have dealt with him better.

If he genuinely realised he was in the wrong and sorry for it, then "laughing" is not a natural reaction. He obviously didn't understand how offended she actually was, when he then followed up with "**** off" and equally offending things such as "lets dispose of this dirty garment". Is that equally a natural reaction?

[Stevos]

Originally posted by andybigbro
Alex and Sylvia

Don't see why he should be really. It may have been inappropriate thing to do, but given the circumstances in which it was done, it was understandable. The vile over the top character assassination from Alex, in my mind was worse than Mikeys actions. Don't know how he took it really.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
Im backing Michael, although i dont think he should have wore them without asking who's they were and if he could wear them. However, the girls shouting at him like that and the way they spoke to him in my eyes was bullying.......

Ok, be honest here - is it because he is blind?

Because any other time an argument is occurring and two women shout at one man, it's never branded 'bullying'.

[Ashleee:)]

No, its nothing to do with being blind. When more than one person is ganging up on one single person i think it is a form of bullying

[Polka.dot]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bigbro323

It's not about being deaf or stupid. Some people don't know how to react during confrontation - their natural reaction could be to laugh. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people. 'Dirty scoundrel' or even 'vile' are harsh words to use - having a laugh just doesn't seem to be allowed these days. Yes, he could've been a bit more understanding of the situation before he did what he did, but Sylvia could equally have dealt with him better.

If he genuinely realised he was in the wrong and sorry for it, then "laughing" is not a natural reaction. He obviously didn't understand how offended she actually was, when he then followed up with "**** off" and equally offending things such as "lets dispose of this dirty garment". Is that equally a natural reaction?

It could well be. I'm not one to judge.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
No, its nothing to do with being blind. When more than one person is ganging up on one single person i think it is a form of bullying

Ok, thats fine. It's just because the situation has happened before, and no-one has branded the situation as 'bullying'.

[Spike]

Sylvia was in the right but Alex wasn't there was no need for her or Mario to get involved

[Polka.dot]

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
No, its nothing to do with being blind. When more than one person is ganging up on one single person i think it is a form of bullying

I agree. Or at least, intimidation. He should have stood up for himself - I don't know how he took it. For anyone who hasn't taken a strange dislike to him for whatever reason, it made uncomfortable viewing.

[stonedape]

They are in the Big Brother House, not a prison...and they are allowed to have a little fun. I think people on Sylv/Alex's side fail to put the situation in context. (stag party, after drinks, over clothes)

If you were conservative, I could see how it might offend you, but that doesn't give you license to go bitching about it for the rest of the day to every other HM. Mikey apologized repeatedly and was told to stop before he could finish.

I think Mikey and Mario were definitely in the right in this situation...it didn't have to be a situation if Sylvia wasn't so sensitive...and don't even get me started on Alex, those weren't even her knickers to get angry about!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bigbro323
Originally posted by Ashleee:)
No, its nothing to do with being blind. When more than one person is ganging up on one single person i think it is a form of bullying

I agree. Or at least, intimidation. He should have stood up for himself - I don't know how he took it. For anyone who hasn't taken a strange dislike to him for whatever reason, it made uncomfortable viewing.

I liked him before tonight, he was one of my favourites. So it's not because I took a "strange dislike" to him before this. I took a logical dislike to him after he discarded all rules of manners, and offended an already offended and innocent girl.

[Ashleee:)]

Well, there has been incidents of bullying on BB before. Im not going to go into it as i dont want to start any argumets. But the defintion of bullying is somone who is cruel or overbearing to someone else and i think that that is exactly what she was.

[Polka.dot]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by bigbro323
Originally posted by Ashleee:)
No, its nothing to do with being blind. When more than one person is ganging up on one single person i think it is a form of bullying

I agree. Or at least, intimidation. He should have stood up for himself - I don't know how he took it. For anyone who hasn't taken a strange dislike to him for whatever reason, it made uncomfortable viewing.

I liked him before tonight, he was one of my favourites. So it's not because I took a "strange dislike" to him before this. I took a logical dislike to him after he discarded all rules of manners, and offended an already offended and innocent girl.

I'm not referring to purely you. As for this situation, I guess we just see it differently. I think some of the words that have been used to describe Mikey (again, not solely from you) are uncalled for. But, again, that may well be because I - and others - view this differently.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Ashleee:)
Well, there has been incidents of bullying on BB before. Im not going to go into it as i dont want to start any argumets. But the defintion of bullying is somone who is cruel or overbearing to someone else and i think that that is exactly what she was.

I think he was the same to Sylvia, though. Completely ignoring Alex's part in this - as I disagreed with that part, and it had nothing to do with Sylvia...

He was cruel, as he told her to "**** off" and insulted her further by saying "lets dispose of this dirty garment" and throwing her pants away - despite Sylvia not saying anything to him, apart from "I'm offended" and sounding clearly upset. Thats bullying too, and everyone is ignoring that factor.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bigbro323

I'm not referring to purely you. As for this situation, I guess we just see it differently. I think some of the words that have been used to describe Mikey (again, not solely from you) are uncalled for. But, again, that may well be because I - and others - view this differently.

Yeah, thats cool. Lets agree to disagree now as both of us have exhausted the arguments :hugesmile:

[Matt10k]

To be honest, I can't really see how Sylvia was in the wrong in all this?

[Killian]

Michael shouldn't have done that. It's simply disgusting, perverted and out of order. If he thinks that he can get away with anything just because he is blind, he is absolutely wrong. The fact that Mario used the 'blind' excuse in the Diary Room was absolutely outrageous. As I've said before - Michael is blind, not stupid. I know I would have gone absolutely mental if somebody put on my underwear. I wouldn't care if it was a joke or not, whether it was a stag night or freakin' Christmas. I would have made it clear that I was pissed off with him.

What Michael did was outrageous and Sylvia was perfectly entitled to yell at him. Though I think Alexandra took it a little too far. I really don't like Michael. And he told Sylvia to '****** off' in the first place. Dammit, I hope he gets evicted soon.

Also when he disposed of her knickers as if they were infectious was so rude and disrepectful. And it's a bathroom, of course there are going to be knickers there!

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Killian
And it's a bathroom, of course there are going to be knickers there!
no...if it were a laundry room...that would be the case...

dOc

[GiRTh]

Alex and Sylvia.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by MaDdOctoR
Originally posted by Killian
And it's a bathroom, of course there are going to be knickers there!
no...if it were a laundry room...that would be the case...

dOc

They take their clothes off in the bathroom, she may have forgot to take them back into the bedroom to put with her laundry. I was going to say 'its a simple mistake to make', but I wouldn't even call it a mistake. She left some pants on the shelf bit, when she did it I'm sure she wasn't aware she was living with a pervert.

[Captain.Remy]

Alexandra and Sylvia definitely. They were right to put him on his place, it was out of order.