Alexandra - I see her point - An Alternative interpretation

[Sticks]

Playing Devil's Advocate here

When I heard what she said, the way she said it, and her explanation in the Diary room, I can see that her words were missinterpreted, by people who did not know the kind of circles Alexandra moves in.

I found I could interpret them in a non threatening manner, from how she said it, and perhaps they should have spoken to Darnell

Yet again, selective editing of transcripts by BB made it worse than it was, coupled with people listening to a private conversation misinterpreting what was said due to ignorance of her subculture

Alex like Emily was just another sacrificial lamb

[Captain.Remy]

I do agree, Big Brother had an interpretation problem and whether you like her or not, it's unfair. She justified herself but BB already made a decision.
The way BB said it appeared as kind of 'offensive' but in the original context and considering how Alex lives, it should haven't been seen this way.

As for Emily, it is completely different, she justified herself by saying 'But we all say that' or something in this way. She may hasn't been racist but she should have never said that clearly.

[Billy]

I agree. Based on last night, Alex shouldnt have been removed, she was the same Alex she had been for the past 14 days

[Chrizzle]

Oh puh-lease. What she said could not be interpreted in another way.
She was panicking you could see it in her. She was quickly trying to come up with an excuse.

She proved what a horrible human being she was when she said 'I do threaten people- but not in here'.

Shes pathetic, and how people can be justifying her disgusting threats is beyond me.

[Dan_]

But what about these so called instructions and plans involving her gangster friends? I'm not sure that can be taken any other way than as a threat and housemates obviously felt there was malice behind the things she had said.

Of course she was going to try and worm her way out of things, she knew the implications against her and how it would look, she's not totally thick.I wasn't buying her explanation of things though.

[GiRTh]

I see similarities with the Emily incident too.

I totally agree with Sticks, given the context in which she said it and her explanation in the diary room I feel her words can be open to misinterpretation and regretably I think there has been a massive over reaction from the public.

I dont know what she means by instructions to her friends but from a personal viewpoint I have been out of an evening had a few drinks in side me, heard a good tune come on and said 'pow pow pow' in the exact same way she did. So people who think that is incriminating are over reacting. I'm also disappointed in Rex for taking her words the way he did without even asking her.

I still feel it was the right decision to eject her from the house and I feel she should be interviewed by the police to clarify exactly what she meant, but on the evidence of the show and the transcript, there is no where near enough for some to react in the way they have.

[Bells]

It's not as bad as I expected, but obviously if she's making such threats it's understandable that she was ejected. I find them ridiculous more than anything else. In a way, I feel as if she's gotten off lightly. I feel as if more has gone on, because she would have gone in 2 days anyway (it was inevitable she'd be evicted), and if BB showed footage of this in the highlights, it'd be even more inevitable. Also, BB would have raked in the money in terms of phone votes. Alex has gained herself such a large amount of haters that people would have voted consistently up until eviction night.

Last year, Emily's ejection was understandable considering a large number of people would have complained, but in this case I imagine viewers would have dismissed Alex's threats like they normally do. I think BB is taking Alex's welfare into account here, i.e. the damage to her property etc. - and is using this as a reason to eject her as soon as possible. To add to that, I found it amusing how none of her housemates cared in the slightest.

She was embarrassing herself so much in there, and the ultimate humiliation would have been her eviction on Friday night. She'd see the crowd's reaction, and hopefully realise how worthless her 'ghetto' statements were. Nobody in the house at the moment deserves to be threatened.

[jonsep]

oh poor poor poor alexandra lets all march to parlament and get her back in,whats the matter with you people,have you not been watching and commenting on her for the last two weeks?.if you think shes been misinterpreted go hang out with her for a week,but guess what you better know yourself,memba i told you,pow pow pow,

[Sunny_01]

I think that regardless of this incident she has behaved in such a terrible way during her stay in the house that she deserved to be ejected. Look at the way she behaved towards Rachel about the spaghetti, she is very angry when it comes to food!

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Oh puh-lease. What she said could not be interpreted in another way.
She was panicking you could see it in her. She was quickly trying to come up with an excuse.

She proved what a horrible human being she was when she said 'I do threaten people- but not in here'.

Shes pathetic, and how people can be justifying her disgusting threats is beyond me.


your totally right,how anyone can try and justify what alex said is beyond me as is the fact that some people are actually say that it wasnt a threat:laugh2:
It was clearly a threat wether it be an empty one or not.

[albie]

She threatened people for nothing. When she was saying "you better be ready." she was saying "watch your back." Because of CHIPS.

She's scum.

Children say things like "you're dead!" And these days you can't always take that as a joke.

She should be prosecuted. Locked up. Or released into the wild as the otter she is.:dog:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Oh puh-lease. What she said could not be interpreted in another way.
She was panicking you could see it in her. She was quickly trying to come up with an excuse.

She proved what a horrible human being she was when she said 'I do threaten people- but not in here'.

Shes pathetic, and how people can be justifying her disgusting threats is beyond me.


your totally right,how anyone can try and justify what alex said is beyond me as is the fact that some people are actually say that it wasnt a threat:laugh2:
It was clearly a threat wether it be an empty one or not.

"people" will form their own opinion in the same way you have. I agree she appeared to be threatening them BUT that doesnt mean others might think differently.

[albie]

Yeah I threaten people all the time, but nothing ever comes of it. CCTV is rubbish.

[gowildcats]

OP, thats a load pf crrap. WE all know what Alex meant. You might be able to get out of it with technicalities, however, evereryone knows what it means when you threaten people without directly talking to them. ANd regardless of any cirles, no one talks like that casually, just because they are hip. SHe tried to make sure, REx nderstood what she was saying. DArnell realised that and tries several time to switch the conversation to a more positive light,to protect ALex, but she was pissed and kept going. When Darnell said, introduce me to your friends or music, she turned around and said, no, not that kind of friends, my gansta friends, and so on and on she went. I have never seen someone that deserved to be kicked out so much!

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Sticks
Playing Devil's Advocate here

When I heard what she said, the way she said it, and her explanation in the Diary room, I can see that her words were missinterpreted, by people who did not know the kind of circles Alexandra moves in.

I found I could interpret them in a non threatening manner, from how she said it, and perhaps they should have spoken to Darnell

Yet again, selective editing of transcripts by BB made it worse than it was, coupled with people listening to a private conversation misinterpreting what was said due to ignorance of her subculture

Alex like Emily was just another sacrificial lamb

It's a cute idea trying to play Devil's Advocate for such a disgraceful human being, there's good in everyone and all that lovey dovey stuff, but there's no room for excuse here. No room at all.

When she tried to lie her way out of it in her final diary room appearance all she could say is BB had taken it out of context and that she'd been talking specifically to Darnell and Dale, but that wasn't true. She wasn't aiming her disgusting, aggressive threats at Darnell at all, she was clearly aiming them at the man she was staring right at, 10 feet across the room from her, the man who had had her number from the day they walked in, the man who was the main source of all her frustrations cause she couldn't bully him and the gangster threats were her last resort because everything else had failed, just like Rex pointed out in the diary room.

She claimed it was out of context, but niether she nor anyone else has offered any sort of plausible alternative context whatsoever to explain the comments. Even Darnell looked away and hung his head trying to ignore the comments, he didn't want any part of it.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by gowildcats
OP, thats a load pf crrap. WE all know what Alex meant. You might be able to get out of it with technicalities, however, evereryone knows what it means when you threaten people without directly talking to them.

But if you are unfamiliar with a certain speech pattern you can misinterpret things.

In one circle I moved in we talked about Orphan killers, which if you did not know the context might make us sound heartless.

However it is to do with data processing when we need to clear entries from minor tables when a major record on a major table is deleted

[x_mel_x]

Even if she didnt say it in that way, the scumbag still deserved to be removed for the way she talked to Rachel yesterday.

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by Sticks
But if you are unfamiliar with a certain speech pattern you can misinterpret things.


That's why Alex was stupid enough to keep driving the point home so that Rex would get the picture, just incase he wasn't understanding.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks
Playing Devil's Advocate here

When I heard what she said, the way she said it, and her explanation in the Diary room, I can see that her words were missinterpreted, by people who did not know the kind of circles Alexandra moves in.

I found I could interpret them in a non threatening manner, from how she said it, and perhaps they should have spoken to Darnell


NO!!!!
BB specifically asked the best placed HM Rex his view and interpretation of her comments.
In Rex's view HE said "it was definately a threat" he later went on to express that, despite this he didn't feel "threatened" (I interpreted that as "didnt feel the need to worry about the threat")
Rex has no idea of Alex or her outside lifestyle, we and BB are privaledged to know more of her and her background.
The public does not always get to hear/view ALL conversations in full , that is true, we see an editors cut and assume it is in context.
However Alex on this occasion DID hear the threat and this was also confirmed by Dennis who heard it too and also saw it as a definate threat.
I do agree with you on the point BB should have also spoken to Darnell, but I think we may disagree on why?
I think your suggesting Darnell could have backed up you 'devils advocate' theory and maybe he would off.
I feel they did'nt ask Darnell as he wasnt an intended target, a bit like asking a robbery accomplice on his thoughts.
Darnell should have been warned also, he 'high fived' his support of the bitches comments then meekly grinned through the rest of the abuse as if they were discussing a game.
Darnell got off very lightly here, and I hope it was noted by the public, he's another freak that needs throwing out soon and either way(evicted/ejected) will do me.

[gowildcats]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by gowildcats
OP, thats a load pf crrap. WE all know what Alex meant. You might be able to get out of it with technicalities, however, evereryone knows what it means when you threaten people without directly talking to them.

But if you are unfamiliar with a certain speech pattern you can misinterpret things.

In one circle I moved in we talked about Orphan killers, which if you did not know the context might make us sound heartless.

However it is to do with data processing when we need to clear entries from minor tables when a major record on a major table is deleted

Fair enough, but there was no such comparaison with Alex's speech. It was clear and precise. There was nothing hidden about it. I cant do certain things in here, bt when you all come out the house, my team is very, very strong, they got instructions...etc.....etc.....
CMON, there is nothing redeeming about hr speech!

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by AngnAndy
I do agree with you on the point BB should have also spoken to Darnell, but I think we may disagree on why?
I think your suggesting Darnell could have backed up you 'devils advocate' theory and maybe he would off.
I feel they did'nt ask Darnell as he wasnt an intended target, a bit like asking a robbery accomplice on his thoughts.
Darnell should have been warned also, he 'high fived' his support of the bitches comments then meekly grinned through the rest of the abuse as if they were discussing a game.
Darnell got off very lightly here, and I hope it was noted by the public, he's another freak that needs throwing out soon and either way(evicted/ejected) will do me.

I agree about Darnell. He was looking sheepish for alot Alex's speech and didn't want to add much off his own lingo that they were apparently speaking. It was very one sided. It was only after that Darnell tried to play the dumb ignorant card and make out Alex was just talking some sort of lingo. You'd have to be really daft to fall for their flimsy flimsy excuses, Darnell's guilty behaviour spoke volumes about his point of view. They must think we were born yesterday.

[Shaun]

I don't think there's any two ways to interpret "I'm going to see your friends and family". She clearly didn't mean it in a friendly sense...since she was talking about not forgiving people for what they've said behind her back.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the "I was talking about supporting Darnell" card at all, however much she plans on doing that.

It was a stupid comment to make, and she was clearly intimidating in other examples as well as 2 nights ago, so this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[gowildcats]

Originally posted by SexualHeroics
Originally posted by AngnAndy
I do agree with you on the point BB should have also spoken to Darnell, but I think we may disagree on why?
I think your suggesting Darnell could have backed up you 'devils advocate' theory and maybe he would off.
I feel they did'nt ask Darnell as he wasnt an intended target, a bit like asking a robbery accomplice on his thoughts.
Darnell should have been warned also, he 'high fived' his support of the bitches comments then meekly grinned through the rest of the abuse as if they were discussing a game.
Darnell got off very lightly here, and I hope it was noted by the public, he's another freak that needs throwing out soon and either way(evicted/ejected) will do me.

I agree about Darnell. He was looking sheepish for alot Alex's speech and didn't want to add much off his own lingo that they were apparently speaking. It was very one sided. It was only after that Darnell tried to play the dumb ignorant card and make out Alex was just talking some sort of lingo. You'd have to be really daft to fall for their flimsy flimsy excuses, Darnell's guilty behaviour spoke volumes about his point of view. They must think we were born yesterday.

All darnell was trying to do was diffuse the situation. He tried to change the conversation to music, and stuff, because he sensed, where alex was going. But she couldnt be stopped. SHe was determined to be heard!

[Shaun]

(gowildcats - I LOVE your avatar!)

[SexualHeroics]

Originally posted by gowildcats
Originally posted by SexualHeroics
Originally posted by AngnAndy
I do agree with you on the point BB should have also spoken to Darnell, but I think we may disagree on why?
I think your suggesting Darnell could have backed up you 'devils advocate' theory and maybe he would off.
I feel they did'nt ask Darnell as he wasnt an intended target, a bit like asking a robbery accomplice on his thoughts.
Darnell should have been warned also, he 'high fived' his support of the bitches comments then meekly grinned through the rest of the abuse as if they were discussing a game.
Darnell got off very lightly here, and I hope it was noted by the public, he's another freak that needs throwing out soon and either way(evicted/ejected) will do me.

I agree about Darnell. He was looking sheepish for alot Alex's speech and didn't want to add much off his own lingo that they were apparently speaking. It was very one sided. It was only after that Darnell tried to play the dumb ignorant card and make out Alex was just talking some sort of lingo. You'd have to be really daft to fall for their flimsy flimsy excuses, Darnell's guilty behaviour spoke volumes about his point of view. They must think we were born yesterday.

All darnell was trying to do was diffuse the situation. He tried to change the conversation to music, and stuff, because he sensed, where alex was going. But she couldnt be stopped. SHe was determined to be heard!

Exactly, he knew what she was doing and he didn't want to get involved in it. What annoyed me was after when he tried to make out she was just talking lingo. He was trying to get her off the hook for her mistake but he knew full well what she was guilty of.

[AngRemembered]

Exactly, he knew what she was doing and he didn't want to get involved in it. What annoyed me was after when he tried to make out she was just talking lingo. He was trying to get her off the hook for her mistake but he knew full well what she was guilty of. [/quote]

precisely, BB got it spot on too, now all that remains is why the hell it took them 22 hours to come to thier decision:shrug:

[bigbr0ther]

(First post) I agree completely. Alexandra should not have been ejected. Not at all. Rex knew what was going on and he intentionally set it up to get her out just making it out like he was so threatened and scared of Alex just because he had been having conflicts with her. Erg.

[babygirl]

alex was going to be evicted anyway, and BB knew that!, however they just wanted to keep their reputation!, and this is not fair towards alex, she did not deserve to be thrown out!, and if rex felt like she was threathening him then why didn't he just say so, why was he not being man enough and let her explain herself. I mean it's not fair , even though I like darnel, why is darnel still there? he was being very aggressive on that paintgate night,
and why is Rex still there, he is commenting on a girl's weight, I don't think it sets a good example as many girls suffer from anorexia and bulemia because of guys like him.

I just don't think its fair!
alex should come back, =D

I know a lot of people will not agree with me, I dont care because its the truth!

I understand why dennis was gone because he spit on someone's face and that is unacceptable.

However if bb saw alex's behaviour as unacceptable, they should she Rex's and darnell's behaviour as unacceptable as well!


MEMBA I TOLD U!

[bigbr0ther]

Alexandra was just a great housemate, and BB made a horrible mistake!