All is forgiven

[brohoe]

can you see pass the witch hunters lies

[Bells]

They're all trying to backtrack, but I think the real damage is done and the evidence is there. But I hope for their sake that they at least try to get on.

[crazyperson]

i wish they would all just not talk 2 rex darnel and mohamed im sorry but they make me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:

[jennadale]

Originally posted by crazyperson
i wish they would all just not talk 2 rex darnel and mohamed Im sorry but they make me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:

FINALLY! Someone who can see sense!

[Bells]

I'd love to see people stop making blank statements and perhaps expressing why they feel the way that they do.

I've not yet seen one clear justification as to why Rex, Darnell & Mo are in the wrong. And any I have, I can clearly argue.

[jennadale]

Originally posted by Ash
I'd love to see people stop making blank statements and perhaps expressing why they feel the way that they do.

I've not yet seen one clear justification as to why Rex, Darnell & Mo are in the wrong. And any I have, I can clearly argue.

Rex is completely arrogant and rude. Mo and Rex bring NOTHING to the house and are just extra numbers. Dale always supports Jen but the exact same can be said about Mo supporting Rex.

[Bells]

Originally posted by jennadale
Originally posted by Ash
I'd love to see people stop making blank statements and perhaps expressing why they feel the way that they do.

I've not yet seen one clear justification as to why Rex, Darnell & Mo are in the wrong. And any I have, I can clearly argue.

Rex is completely arrogant and rude. Mo and Rex bring NOTHING to the house and are just extra numbers. Dale always supports Jen but the exact same can be said about Mo supporting Rex.

Not at all. I think Mo & Rex bring an awful lot to the house, are extremely dignified, and at the same time I have no idea why they're so targeted by their fellow housemates - it's ridiculous. It's basically pack mentality: the rest of the house has picked two housemates to target, and they'll stick to it. But their entire plan is backfiring on them.

Additionally, I find Mo & Dale's situations completely separate. Dale simply wishes to impress Jen; something I don't quite think Mo is doing for Rex. Mo steps in and supports a friend where he thinks it is necessary, and I certainly think it's a brilliant thing to do given the circumstances - it's basically two against the rest of the house. On the other hand, Dale is the one who is a 'coward' (he always throws that word around himself), because he needs the backing up of just about everyone and then tries to act all hard. But, when faced with an argument on a one-to-one basis, he cannot for the life of him stand up for himself.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Ash
They're all trying to backtrack, but I think the real damage is done and the evidence is there. But I hope for their sake that they at least try to get on.

I think you are right the damage has been done and it can't be repaired. The house is split into three camps. Those that supported Jen, those that supported Rex and the those left in the middle.

The Jen camp is currently losing, her cronies are leaving the house faster and if that carries on she won't have a camp at all. That's if she is there to see the last one go! The other two camps seem unaffected by the current situation.

However, this won't be the end. Something will crop up again an the two rival waring factions will be at each others throats again before long.

[jennadale]

Not at all. I think Mo & Rex bring an awful lot to the house, are extremely dignified, and at the same time I have no idea why they're so targeted by their fellow housemates - it's ridiculous. It's basically pack mentality: the rest of the house has picked two housemates to target, and they'll stick to it. But their entire plan is backfiring on them.

Additionally, I find Mo & Dale's situations completely separate. Dale simply wishes to impress Jen; something I don't quite think Mo is doing for Rex. Mo steps in and supports a friend where he thinks it is necessary, and I certainly think it's a brilliant thing to do given the circumstances - it's basically two against the rest of the house. On the other hand, Dale is the one who is a 'coward' (he always throws that word around himself), because he needs the backing up of just about everyone and then tries to act all hard. But, when faced with an argument on a one-to-one basis, he cannot for the life of him stand up for himself. [/quote]

Almost everything you have said is based on Dale being attracted to Jen, if he had not admitted his attraction then it would just be standing up for a friend which is what Mo is doing. I find it funny how people forget the likes of Lisa were complaining and insulting Rex after he smudged the painting. I agree smudging the painting was not a big deal but it did seem spiteful. On any other series of BB Rex would be hated by the public, he is rude, cocky and boastful. I completely see why Rex is disliked by the housemates. Big brother will have no story line and no excitement if (and probably when) Jen goes on Friday. What would be appealing to watch if she goes?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by jennadale
I find it funny how people forget the likes of Lisa were complaining and insulting Rex after he smudged the painting. I agree smudging the painting was not a big deal but it did seem spiteful.

Could I just point here that we are talking about a smudge that Rachel couldn't actually see on the painting. She said in last nights highlights show that she couldn't see what Rex had done.

It wasn't a big deal but Jen took the whole thing to far. She made a big deal of it. She milk the whole situation.

[Bells]

Originally posted by jennadale
Almost everything you have said is based on Dale being attracted to Jen, if he had not admitted his attraction then it would just be standing up for a friend which is what Mo is doing. I find it funny how people forget the likes of Lisa were complaining and insulting Rex after he smudged the painting. I agree smudging the painting was not a big deal but it did seem spiteful. On any other series of BB Rex would be hated by the public, he is rude, cocky and boastful. I completely see why Rex is disliked by the housemates. Big brother will have no story line and no excitement if (and probably when) Jen goes on Friday. What would be appealing to watch if she goes?

No it isn't, necessarily. I said he wants to impress her. Also, you seem to have disregarded a large chunk of my post which refers to him being a coward, and I stand by that wholeheartedly. Their intentions and the way they went about stepping in are not similar in any way at all.

As for Jen going, to be honest I don't find her whining, attention seeking and deluded contradictory statements to be entertaining. Last night was interesting, but truly uncomfortable to watch. I'd much prefer to see the housemates having fun, which they would be without Jen's group of friends (who are going one by one, yet she still doesn't seem to want to let go). She thinks people are evicting her friends because of sympathy for Mo, when in reality I don't feel sympathy for him but completely applaud his actions. Conversely, we're evicting her friends because they're vile. Furthermore, entertainment to me is also BB adding tasks/twists etc. and not housemates creating more drama than the situations are worth.

[jennadale]

Could I just point here that we are talking about a smudge that Rachel couldn't actually see on the painting. She said in last nights highlights show that she couldn't see what Rex had done.

It wasn't a big deal but Jen took the whole thing to far. She made a big deal of it. She milk the whole situation. [/quote]

Jen walked off when Rex was attempting to smudge it, the intent was there and he was laughing about it. I AGREE that the painting was no big deal but this was not a one off by Rex, he does things like that all the time. The argument had been building up since pretty much day 1.

[Moses455]

I don't want all forgiven, since then Jen and Dale will face the vote next week.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by jennadale
Jen walked off when Rex was attempting to smudge it, the intent was there and he was laughing about it. I AGREE that the painting was no big deal but this was not a one off by Rex, he does things like that all the time. The argument had been building up since pretty much day 1.

Then may be she shouldn't have walked off.

It takes two more people to have an argument and Jen was one side of it. The thing was she milked it and carried it on.

She could have accepted the apology!

[jennadale]

No it isn't, necessarily. I said he wants to impress her. Also, you seem to have disregarded a large chunk of my post which refers to him being a coward, and I stand by that wholeheartedly. Their intentions and the way they went about stepping in are not similar in any way at all.

As for Jen going, to be honest I don't find her whining, attention seeking and deluded contradictory statements to be entertaining. Last night was interesting, but truly uncomfortable to watch. I'd much prefer to see the housemates having fun, which they would be without Jen's group of friends (who are going one by one, yet she still doesn't seem to want to let go). She thinks people are evicting her friends because of sympathy for Mo, when in reality I don't feel sympathy for him but completely applaud his actions. Conversely, we're evicting her friends because they're vile. Furthermore, entertainment to me is also BB adding tasks/twists etc. and not housemates creating more drama than the situations are worth. [/quote]

Ok you think of Dale as a coward, instead of Mo walking round Bex and to Stu he decided to shout at Bex, that is the the act of a coward. I agree with most of what Dale said but not in the way he said it. The exact same can be said about Darnell (who i am a fan of) and he is not getting any blame. I agree that Jen overreacted and Dale and Stu were aggresive but i can't believe how one sided everyone elses views are. To say Rex and Mo were not at all in the wrong is a blatant lie. Rex really enjoys making people feel bad about there lives and jobs and Mo will just agree with anything he says.

[jennadale]

She could have accepted the apology! [/quote]

I agree but he could of apologised without a smirk spread across his face.

[PrimaryObjective]

Jennifer is clearly one of these attention seeking women who need to make a big drama and be right at the centre of it. We all know someone like this in our lives, but when it's inside the BB house, people can't walk away, because they are forced to live with each other.

I doubt that will be the last time she does something like that since she is obviously used to turning on the waterworks and getting her own way.

What a pathetic sad little girl she is.

[Bells]

Originally posted by jennadale
Ok you think of Dale as a coward, instead of Mo walking round Bex and to Stu he decided to shout at Bex, that is the the act of a coward. I agree with most of what Dale said but not in the way he said it. The exact same can be said about Darnell (who i am a fan of) and he is not getting any blame. I agree that Jen overreacted and Dale and Stu were aggresive but i can't believe how one sided everyone elses views are. To say Rex and Mo were not at all in the wrong is a blatant lie. Rex really enjoys making people feel bad about there lives and jobs and Mo will just agree with anything he says.

Bex was the one squaring up to Mo - even she admitted she 'got involved', and that could have been avoided. Mo was trying to express his viewpoint, which is only fair considering everyone else seemed to be. Stu was the one who reacted in an aggressive manner to what he said. It was such a pathetic thing to argue over, but the fact is - and everyone knows it - people had been wanting an argument like this for days and any little thing would have set it off.

What do you agree with that Dale said? All he said was that Rex was a coward, which is plain ridiculous since he's the coward. He was basically shouting at Rex for apologising, when it was Dale who told him to apologise a second time. Dale made himself look incredibly stupid there. It took courage for Mo to calmly try to break up the argument, particularly when nobody else seemed to be appreciating the fact that Rex was apologising so many times - he kept being criticised. As for Darnell, I am so glad he had the guts to stand up to a whole bedroom of people who were effectively condoning spitting in someone's face. Truly despicable, and I won't even buy their backtracking.

Funnily enough, I'm surprised at how closed-minded Jen/Dale supporters are with regards to this incident.

[jennadale]

Bex was the one squaring up to Mo - even she admitted she 'got involved', and that could have been avoided. Mo was trying to express his viewpoint, which is only fair considering everyone else seemed to be. Stu was the one who reacted in an aggressive manner to what he said. It was such a pathetic thing to argue over, but the fact is - and everyone knows it - people had been wanting an argument like this for days and any little thing would have set it off.

What do you agree with that Dale said? All he said was that Rex was a coward, which is plain ridiculous since he's the coward. He was basically shouting at Rex for apologising, when it was Dale who told him to apologise a second time. Dale made himself look incredibly stupid there. It took courage for Mo to calmly try to break up the argument, particularly when nobody else seemed to be appreciating the fact that Rex was apologising so many times - he kept being criticised. As for Darnell, I am so glad he had the guts to stand up to a whole bedroom of people who were effectively condoning spitting in someone's face. Truly despicable, and I won't even buy their backtracking.

Funnily enough, I'm surprised at how closed-minded Jen/Dale supporters are with regards to this incident. [/quote]

HAHA! I won't even reward that with a reply, to criticise what Stu and Dale did and then praise Darnell is pathetic.

[Mike]

They won't turn things around now, there will still be bitching/people backstabbing which then leads to more arguments. The divide is well and truly formed. They might try to get on with each other but in that environment it won't last long with so many different personalities all trying to get on.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Ash

Not at all. I think Mo & Rex bring an awful lot to the house, are extremely dignified, and at the same time I have no idea why they're so targeted by their fellow housemates - it's ridiculous. It's basically pack mentality: the rest of the house has picked two housemates to target, and they'll stick to it. But their entire plan is backfiring on them.

Additionally, I find Mo & Dale's situations completely separate. Dale simply wishes to impress Jen; something I don't quite think Mo is doing for Rex. Mo steps in and supports a friend where he thinks it is necessary, and I certainly think it's a brilliant thing to do given the circumstances - it's basically two against the rest of the house. On the other hand, Dale is the one who is a 'coward' (he always throws that word around himself), because he needs the backing up of just about everyone and then tries to act all hard. But, when faced with an argument on a one-to-one basis, he cannot for the life of him stand up for himself.

I could not have put that better myself, agree with every word. That makes two of us who would have needed an umbrella in the house that night.
As this kind of view is apreciated by the ammount of phelm one wipes of thier cheek, thats the value of the other side of the argument. :sad:

[Barbie]

i don't support what dennis done at all
I don't like mohammed or rex... i will admit i don't actually have a reason to mind for this i just don't like them
rex is quite arrogant and wants things done his way and shouldn't have touched the painting... i think Jen had a point in her argument but she did milk it a bit
Mohammed playing the bullying card all the time... well most people were bullied... i was bullied most people on here have been bullied and a lot of people in the house have probably been bullied its just the way society works so he has no argument using that...

[Wellsita]

I agree with everything that Ash has said!
And so does Big Brother, as Dale and Stuart were told off for making Rex apologise for the second time and for not accepting his apologies while he was doing it!
Also I would like to add that now Darnell is their target, with Jen telling him he should have gone as well and Bex trying, last night on the live show, to get a reaction from him with a stupid argument!
But he told them good, saying that their group is the one being vile!
I hope he keeps his cool and soon Jen, Dale and Bex will be reunited with their family and friends! There's nothing entertaining about them!

[Bells]

Originally posted by jennadale
HAHA! I won't even reward that with a reply, to criticise what Stu and Dale did and then praise Darnell is pathetic.

That ends it for me then - it's easy to say you won't reward it with a reply (I spent a while trying to put my points across!). I think it's a good viewpoint personally, but you probably can't think of anything to argue against them with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - anyone who condones violence, spitting and aggressive behaviour for the sake of escalating the argument (just to be on Jen's good books, in this case) needs to have a good long think themselves.

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

NO! Rex & Bex

[fairymoon]

rex said sorry that should have been the end of it, but dale and stu thought they was big men and wanted jen to think look at us we are big boys jen, how stupid what is jen a bit of meat, she cryed so much over the painting but never once crys about her baby, bex should not have stood up to mo but she thought she was doin the right thing , jen should never had said darnell should go, dennis was so stupid spitting in mos face,all was stupid as rex said sorry,

[bananarama]

Originally posted by jennadale
Originally posted by crazyperson
i wish they would all just not talk 2 rex darnel and mohamed Im sorry but they make me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad:

FINALLY! Someone who can see sense!


I second that.......Also Mario and Mikey blatently influencing nomonations....If those two are not banned from nominating this week then BB is a crook.......

[topbigbrother92]

Rex should never have smuged the painting in the first place. Anyone can apologise but it cant make the fact go away that he still did it, so it was him that was in the wrong and Mohammed should just have stayed away, he made the situation worse and knew what would happen by saying "Its only a painting".

[jennadale]

That ends it for me then - it's easy to say you won't reward it with a reply (I spent a while trying to put my points across!). I think it's a good viewpoint personally, but you probably can't think of anything to argue against them with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - anyone who condones violence, spitting and aggressive behaviour for the sake of escalating the argument (just to be on Jen's good books, in this case) needs to have a good long think themselves. [/quote]

Dale has always had a problem with Rex and an argument between them was always coming. I don't know how much you watch the live feed but the more i do and the more i see of Rex the more i dislike him. Every time he talks he is going on about how good everything he has is and maybe that's why everyone defended Jen like that. Darnell didn't have a clue what had happened, he didn't know someone had been hit and that spitting was just a reaction to that, that would still not make it acceptable but my point is Darnell had no idea what the situation was.

[jennadale]

as rex said sorry, [/quote]

An apology with a grin on your face is worse than not appologising.

[jennadale]

I second that.......Also Mario and Mikey blatently influencing nomonations....If those two are not banned from nominating this week then BB is a crook....... [/quote]

There is no chance Mikey would of voted for Jen if they didn't have that "talk". Mario is still as bad as the fiirst week he just does things in a different way.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Ash
I'd love to see people stop making blank statements and perhaps expressing why they feel the way that they do.

I've not yet seen one clear justification as to why Rex, Darnell & Mo are in the wrong. And any I have, I can clearly argue.

Rex shouldnt have touched Jennifers painting in teh first place, and shouldn't have laughed in her face when he was apologisng.

Is that justification enough?

[Bells]

Originally posted by Billy21
Rex shouldnt have touched Jennifers painting in teh first place, and shouldn't have laughed in her face when he was apologisng.

Is that justification enough?

Not at all. Firstly, I saw things differently - he wasn't laughing in her face at all. He probably thought the situation to be blown completely out of proportion, which it was. Also, he had already apologised but was yelled at by Stu & Dale to apologise again. But when he did, he was effectively shouted at for doing so!

I agree he shouldn't have touched the painting in the first place, but the way Jen handled the situation wasn't right at all. She got upset, but could have let the matter drop when she had the power to instead of letting it drag on. And spitting in someone's face, to me, is not an action that can be justified at all - especially not over something so trivial.

[jennadale]

Not at all. Firstly, I saw things differently - he wasn't laughing in her face at all. He probably thought the situation to be blown completely out of proportion, which it was. Also, he had already apologised but was yelled at by Stu & Dale to apologise again. But when he did, he was effectively shouted at for doing so!

I agree he shouldn't have touched the painting in the first place, but the way Jen handled the situation wasn't right at all. She got upset, but could have let the matter drop when she had the power to instead of letting it drag on. And spitting in someone's face, to me, is not an action that can be justified at all - especially not over something so trivial. [/quote]

Supporting Jen and Dale isn't justifying the spitting, i don't understand why people don't accept that. Being in the house can get to people and maybe Jen was actually very upset and couldn't stop crying, i don't think she should take much blame for all the agression. Rex was smiling from the moment he touched the painting, before the situation was blown out of proportion.

[Bells]

Originally posted by jennadale
Supporting Jen and Dale isn't justifying the spitting, i don't understand why people don't accept that. Being in the house can get to people and maybe Jen was actually very upset and couldn't stop crying, i don't think she should take much blame for all the agression. Rex was smiling from the moment he touched the painting, before the situation was blown out of proportion.

Rex admitted he didn't think about what he did and didn't think putting his finger in a bit of paint was such a big deal at the time. He blatantly said he made a mistake, and yet was made to apologise over and over - and then ended up being shouted at for it. I do think Jen should take blame to some extent for the aggression, because she didn't tell Dale & Stu, "Yes, Rex has apologised, but I'm still upset. I'd like to drop it now though." If she had said something to that effect, she would have earned my respect. Instead, she milked the situation and kept repeating herself.

As for Stu & Dale, I think you already know my views on those two. And it is justifying the spitting. After the announcement of Dennis' eviction, Dale threatened Mo several times - completely disregarding how the man was treated. I went off him because he was disgusting and aggressive to begin with for no apparent reason, but that just took things too far. And Jen's 'justice will be served' comment was completely out of line - if she thinks 'justice' equals the man who was spat on being ejected, then she's far more deluded than I thought.