Argument on E4 just then! - 01:45 17th June

[Kanye_West]

Did ya see that argument just then between Victor n Emma. Racism is a touchy subject aint it for emma lol.. i think shes ashamed. She's all mouth i just dont like that girl. Hand actions do my head in. Shes going round the house mouthing off about Victor and J.

In the bedsit they were mouthing about Dan now theyre his best buddy. Kick Emma n Michelle off.

[dustmite]

Not an argument, no. And no, Emma didn't start it.

1) Marco said something to Jason
2) Jason knocked over the table, then declared he was going to "rip" Marco's "head off"
3) Emma and Victor laid into each other
4) Victor attempted to attack Emma
5) At some point in this Marco got thrown across the room (?)

I'll get a definitive answer, hold on.

[Kanye_West]

i was watchin E4+1 so i didnt see the start sorry. But i dunno what happened???

[dustmite]

ok, here we go...

Jason got irritated at something, instigated by Nadia/Marco et al.
Jason flips over the table in the living area
Jason starts yelling at Nadia whilst pointing at her, and turns to Marco for comfort
Jason tells Emma/Marco that he's going to take someone's head off
Victor throws wine at Emma
Victor shouts at Emma "Don't f... with me, Emma"
Victor apparently smashes some plates
Victor is called to the diary room by Big Brother, immediately
Victor shouts "You ain't ********** s*** to me!" and also "I'll ********** show you!"
Emma is carried away by Daniel to the bedroom
Emma shouts "I'll ********** kill you!"

And that's really where it got to.

Victor, Jason and Vanessa are currently in the diary room.

The other housemates are in the bedroom, which is now locked down.

All feeds from the house are now cut.

[AndyJK]

Did Victor strike Emma in the face?

And what prompted Shell to get upset and throw-up?

By the way, this is cracking entertainment!

[Hooly One]

Yes he hit her at the left side of her face and it just went crazy

I can't believe it, it was just madness

BB have told the housemates, they will have to leave the bb house..

I think victor has been kicked out, jason's walked and so has van.

Shell feel's ill, poor girl

[mrchu]

Just to add...

Stu was shoutin at victor "who are you?!? who are you?!" and then said you are slick!...wow stu actually has some aggression in him...but he was doin it to calm victor...also victor was shoutin "YOU DONT ****INg KNOW ME! to emma alot....i absolutely LOATHE channel 4 and E4 for the level of censorship...

also there was a break 5 mins ago..and they've just cut to another...possibly the show will be shut down or something coz they dont wanna b responsible for some1 gettin severely injured/killed...:devil:

[mrchu]

Originally posted by Hooly One
Yes he hit her at the left side of her face and it just went crazy

I can't believe it, it was just madness

BB have told the housemates, they will have to leave the bb house..

I think victor has been kicked out, jason's walked and so has van.

Shell is having a brake down and feel's ill

woah seriously so it IS shutting down or what?!

[dustmite]

I suspect the 'emergency plan' will have just been instigated, in English... producers go in

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by mrchu
Originally posted by Hooly One
Yes he hit her at the left side of her face and it just went crazy

I can't believe it, it was just madness

BB have told the housemates, they will have to leave the bb house..

I think victor has been kicked out, jason's walked and so has van.

Shell is having a brake down and feel's ill

woah seriously so it IS shutting down or what?!

Maybe for a couple of hours, untill they sort out the problem

[jazzper]

lmfao

[jazzper]

admit it, this is why we watch

[mrchu]

too true it is! in theory of whats actually happening...but i dont watch just so I can be served up birds tweeting and a garden hose/camera etc...

[Hooly One]

They might have to pull the plug on bb5, because maybe all of them might walk.

I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Kanye_West]

crazy **** man!!! emma needed a good slap but i dont think its right a man should do it. So whats going on...

Has victor been kicked out?? has Vanessa and Jason walked???? Keep me informed!!

[Hooly One]

Dan said to michelle 15 mins ago, victor or jay might have gone mad with bb and then the sound cut.

[Kanye_West]

I wanna see some more.. There is no point in having cameras if we cant watch!!! lol...

So if 3 have gone what the hell they gonna do lol...??

[mrchu]

it sed "stick with us" etc... but now its changedto " So what do u think etc.." so i dno if this shizer is coming back on or what now...if 3 ppl haev walked the show is crippled ...they cud put some others in there i guess but this is the wildcard of all BB's

[AndyJK]

At this rate, Davina will have to conduct the interviews in Borehamwood nick. What utter chaos. It's just a shame it's ended this way, as this series has been brilliant up to now too.

I hope the producers sit them down, give them all a nice cup of herbal tea and the series can resume. It would be shame if it ended.

[mrchu]

the big brother uncut 5 dvd will be rather interesting...if it ever comes out...

[Kanye_West]

they might aswell put sommin else on it finished in half an hour and i aint sittin lookin at a bloody hose pipe!!, Plus ive got e4 but im watchin channel 4 now lol..

I think big brother is a bit gutted they put em back in now.. theyve just caused A LOT of trouble.. so has Victor n Jason... But victor is still cool ;)

[dustmite]

C4 has just pulled it's live coverage on the main C4 channel, and replaced it with a T4 video

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Kanye_West
they might aswell put sommin else on it finished in half an hour and i aint sittin lookin at a bl***y hose pipe!!, Plus ive got e4 but I'm watchin channel 4 now lol..

I think big brother is a bit gutted they put em back in now.. theyve just caused A LOT of trouble.. so has Victor n Jason... But victor is still cool ;)

Victor is "cool" for hitting a young girl?

I think he's a violent idiot. Personally.

[Kanye_West]

he never hit her... no one seen him hitting her.. and untill i find out he did hes cool...

if he hit her why were they saying to emma.. dont argue u might end up getting hit....

so untill ya stop making up stories pedro.. we dont kno what happened?

[Hooly One]

Well said AndyJK

[mrchu]

Did he hit her tho?! or just pour wine on her...I'm watchin E4 +1 to see whats shown...is the real player stuff on ch4.com showing more than E4??

Also I think Emma was provoking trouble and got more than she bargained for, especially considering what was said about her was nothing more than a str8 up insult...and she got revenge indirectly with the cold showers n such...bah its a topic for hot debate but the fact remains that WE SHOULD GET TO SEE THIS HAPPENING AS IT HAPPENS AND NOT A MUSIC VIDEO OR HOSE PIPE!!

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by mrchu
Did he hit her tho?! or just pour wine on her...I'm watchin E4 +1 to see whats shown...is the real player stuff on ch4.com showing more than E4??

Also I think Emma was provoking trouble and got more than she bargained for, especially considering what was said about her was nothing more than a str8 up insult...and she got revenge indirectly with the cold showers n such...bah its a topic for hot debate but the fact remains that WE SHOULD GET TO SEE THIS HAPPENING AS IT HAPPENS AND NOT A MUSIC VIDEO OR HOSE PIPE!!

We will have to wait to find out, loads of rumours are spreading on the c4 forum

[Micycle]

He didn't hit her. :nono: I feel sorry for Shell she looked like a nervous wreck. I thought there would be an arguement, but that went a bit too far!!!!

[Kanye_West]

no one knows what happened... you can make up your stories make it sound real fun, give you something else to bitch about Victor.... but we havnt a clue yet...

Theres lots of stores going around. We dont know for sure. Hopefully well find out very soon!! I hope he never hit Emma as much as i hate her nog irls deserves to be hit by a guy. I like Victor so wel have to wait and see..

[Micycle]

He didn't hit her. :nono: I feel sorry for Shell she looked like a nervous wreck. I thought there would be an arguement, but that went a bit too far!!!!

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by Kanye_West
he never hit her... no one seen him hitting her.. and untill i find out he did hes cool...

if he hit her why were they saying to emma.. dont argue u might end up getting hit....

so untill you stop making up stories pedro.. we dont kno what happened?

They were saying that to Emma before the house erupted into chaos and when the cameras panned to the outside. When we returned back, Emma was clearly rubbing the side of her face surrounded by housemates saying "he didn't have to hit you" or words along those lines.

And Hooly mentioned he hit her earlier, so maybe he knows more than I do.

[Kanye_West]

if he did hit her he desrves to be kicked out..Just as if she hit him. I think letting them view the house from the bedsit was a wrong move. They could of ****** it all up now.

Admin: edited language

[Hooly One]

AndyJK

The left side of her face was red, we can see what really happened to emma with the mark on her face.

[Kanye_West]

sorry for the bad language i thought this thing filtered it.. I apologise.

[Micycle]

Yes the left side of her face was red. But so was the rest of her face she was raging:devil: He didn't hit her. The only thing he did was push Nadia.

[Kanye_West]

If Victor gets the boot i think Jason will definately walk. But who knows!

[dustmite]

There was still a smashing plate, the throwing of wine, and people scared to death of Victor hurting someone. That in itself constitutes far too many laws broken.

[danplee]

why cant they just show us what is happening! We'd better find out after all this waiting.

[danplee]

arrgghhh dont have e4 - ppl pls keep us updated!

[Kanye_West]

they should put Victor And Emma up for the vote this week. Or kick either of em out. Victor if he has hit her.

At least something got Ahmed outta bed eh!

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by danplee
arrgghhh dont have e4 - people pls keep us updated!

We will and welcome to tibb..
:thumbs:

[dustmite]

Originally posted by danplee
why cant they just show us what is happening! We'd better find out after all this waiting.
Compliance issues, and the health and safety of the housemates comes above revenue... and I'm not saying that tongue in cheek, it's very true. The producers are chaperones themselves, they know the housemates very well, and have been on very personal levels with them too. I know for a fact that they get as worried as we do, shockingly enough.

[mrchu]

rofl amen to all of that ^^^
it'd solve the problem of ppl wanting to walk and eliminate the reactive element in the house...they shud do that

[Hooly One]

On the c4 forum, there saying 'Shell,ahmed,van,jason have walked and victors been kicked out.

Ohh come on E4, i want to know what's really happened!

[Micycle]

It was quite scary. :shocked:Plates flying here, tables flying there, Nadia laughing here Marco sreaming there. LOL!!:spin2:

[dustmite]

The c4 forum also believe that aliens walk on this planet, that the queen is actually a cockroach, and that the sun is actually a big ball of honey.

[mrchu]

^ well i didnt kno the sun was honey...but the rest...:wavey:

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by dustmite
The c4 forum also believe that aliens walk on this planet, that the queen is actually a cockroach, and that the sun is actually a big ball of honey.

I know that dustmite, that's why i said -> " Ohh come on E4, i want to know what's really happened!"

[OutRaged]

Newbie here

IMHO Emma has been really vindictive and has been picking a fight but has really bitten of more than she can chew. From what I witnessed Victor was simply trying to calm the situation between Marco and fellow JCat Jason which was really heated....somehow Emma made it her business and then the wound between her and Victor reopened.

A lot happenend but I didnt witness him hitting her as the cameras panned outside to the garden....

I think he has a right to stand up for himself...I am not Victors fan he can be an a?!se but he was provoked.

The Blame lies with the Head seal Marco....he ignited the whole situation by aggrevating Jason.

[DaZZ]

Hi all. I have a feeling it could be a medical matter with Shell. The last image we had was of her trying to throw up on the bathroom floor.

[Kanye_West]

right im gonna do watch Crystal Maze on Challenge lol.. if it comes back on please tell me :) thanks guys

[DaZZ]

Its back

[Hooly One]

The e4 live feed is back on and victors in the house

[mrchu]

its back on...wooo

[Micycle]

It's back!

[DaZZ]

Maybe we can now know what the ****** is going on.

[Kanye_West]

Has Stuart been crying lol.. Maybe him n michelle have had an iffy over the 2 groups??

[danplee]

whats happening? where can i get e4 at this time of day?

[James]

Victor, Stuart and Jason on - no sound

[dustmite]

The feed is back on e4 and the web.

Victor just said... "It's not the guy's fault, he's just doing his job"... I suspect he's outta there.

[DaZZ]

Man can someone please say something - i think the 6 images were more interesting.

[DaZZ]

Back to the images now

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by dustmite
The feed is back on e4 and the web.

Victor just said... "It's not the guy's fault, he's just doing his job"... I suspect he's outta there.

I wonder what he means?

Its gone again

[DaZZ]

And its back again

[DaZZ]

Where are the rest of them

[nigra]

:hello: *arf arf arf arf arf arf arf*

[James]

Sound back.

Crazy Night!

[DaZZ]

Theres a security guard in the house

[DaZZ]

Something has happened. Theres a woman in the background with a mic in her ear.

[Kanye_West]

really...

[dustmite]

There are security guards in the house at present, the bedroom is locked down with a security guard infront of the door.

[DaZZ]

Ok my fiancee just told me its a vloke :D

[OutRaged]

Am mad now cos am getting page cannot be displayed tryna log onto channel 4 site.....cant watch live feed now :bawling:

[Kanye_West]

has something happened between Michelle and Stu?? Shes crying and hes just sitting there.

Now Michelle is being quite pally with Vic for sum reason

A Very strange night indeed!! but its good

[nigra]

You never know, a psychopath may get into one of these big brother programmes & just go crazy and kill all the other housemates while they sleep using a kitchen knife. I bet it will happen, probably on the U.S. version of the show....


sorry a bit off topic but hey! vaguely related

[nigra]

Originally posted by OutRaged
Am mad now cos am getting page cannot be displayed tryna log onto channel 4 site.....cant watch live feed now :bawling:

I think their server is getting overloaded by the amount of traffic. The reason being, that so many people are pissed off they are all trying to access the site at once.

[DaZZ]

Oh Vic has just ripped his mic off.

[Kanye_West]

ohh no theyre hugging now. Any one got any more info yet?

[Lucianarchy]

It's like watching an horrific car accident, in slow motion, with adverts.

[James]

Michelle is crying because of the situation. Victor has taken off his mic.

[DaZZ]

Where is shell, vanessa, emma, ahmed, dan and nadia? Have they been split for a reason?

[DaZZ]

I personally think Vic should be kicked out. No one should be able to get away with threatening girls.

[James]

I think they're keeping them in the bedroom to take the heat out of it. Or the producers are talking to them.

[Hooly One]

I agree Dazz

[Kanye_West]

It wouldnt be fair because she was also threatening him. They are both people in the end. In my opnion they should be asked to sort it or BOTH go!

[OutRaged]

Slightly off topic but this site is way more reliable that the official one.....iC4 site always crashes!!!

I really think that Emma is responsible though she has wanted to tackle Victor for his remarks about her being racist and there was the opportunity albeit at the wrong time when Victor was actually tryin to calm down a very enraged Scot.....

[Kore]

Naa, its all entertainment, keep him in its the best bb fight ever, argument, possibly the best bb moment ever!

[Kanye_West]

This will definately be number 1 in the next top 100 bb moments :)

[OutRaged]

Dazz I disagree

Some people who cant argue through lack of intelligence simple shout there mouths of and think that If they shout louder they WIN i.e Emma. Victor lost his rag but he was provoked and providing he didnt hit her then I think fair dos.....It might make her think twice about it in future. She seems to always open her mouth without thinkin a trait she shares ironically with Victor

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by Kanye_West
This will definately be number 1 in the next top 100 bb moments :)

Yep! it will probably be in the top five

[nigra]

Emma took offence to being called "dumb" and "stupid" and then wanted big brother to provide her with a paragraph from an encylopedia to prove that she really wasn't dumb...

Like hello!!!! by her own admission she accepts that she's dumb but she can't take it when some1 calls her dumb.

[Kanye_West]

Yep! it will probably be in the top five [/quote]

TOP 5 of TV history. Number 1 being England winning euro 2004, and the world cup of course. :)

[DaZZ]

I got bored so heres a recent cap ;)

[DaZZ]

Dont they make a cute couple :D

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by DaZZ
Dont they make a cute couple :D

Ohh! I feel sick:hugesmile::laugh:

[DaZZ]

I wonder how many times she has said Chicken?

[Hooly One]

I'v lost count Dazz

[Kanye_West]

Its quite funny that Marco got threw across the room lol. He's ok!

[nigra]

Originally posted by DaZZ
I got bored so heres a recent cap ;)

Michelle has got to be one of the ugliest (in terms of both her physical appearance and her character), scheming people I have ever seen. :mad:

[nigra]

Originally posted by Kanye_West
Its quite funny that Marco got threw across the room lol. He's ok!


LOL... I love marco, is it just me or does the back of his neck look like a snake?

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by nigra
Originally posted by DaZZ
I got bored so heres a recent cap ;)

Michelle has got to be one of the ugliest (in terms of both her physical appearance and her character), scheming people I have ever seen. :mad:

Yep:thumbs:

[Micycle]

It's back!

[Kanye_West]

Marco of all people to get threw is FUNNY!!

he reminds me of mobley from the jungle book. Probably because he wears them shorts constantly

[DaZZ]

LOL... I love marco, is it just me or does the back of his neck look like a snake?

I think it might be you. But since i haven`t studied the back of his neck i`ll take your word for it

[Hooly One]

Marco looks like gollum? what do you lot think?:hugesmile:

[DaZZ]

I want to know whats going on with the others

[Kanye_West]

lol there's something about Marco his head doesnt fit with his body HERES THE others

[DaZZ]

i think they just seperated them to calm them down

[Kanye_West]

i think they will sleep in there on their own tonight

[DaZZ]

dan, marco and nadia r in the bedroom - ut where are the others

[Kanye_West]

It doesnt look as thought Emma is with them, Because you'd be able to hear her big gob mouthing off.

[Kanye_West]

At least something keeps Ahmed awake lol

[DaZZ]

I think Emmas, van and shell are talking to producers or walked out

[DaZZ]

Cos those in the bedroom don`t look happy at all

[Kanye_West]

Looking at Marco makes me laugh. Just imagining him being thrown over the table lol. I cant get over it hahahahh

[DaZZ]

Your right - there is something weird about the shape of his head

[Millie]

Too much excitement in the house for one night.. I need to get some sleep before it turns light again outside.. buggar.. the milkman has just arrived.:sleep:

[Kanye_West]

nite all im off ta bed with BB in tne background!!! NITE

[Hooly One]

Where's emma,shell and van???

[dustmite]

I would imagine they're with the producers at the moment, they split them into groups generally to discuss things and keep them managable

[AndyJK]

I hope my Emma hasn't been kicked out. I will be very upset if she has :bawling:

Still no news on the main site, so I'm off to bed.

[Hooly One]

No i don't think so? nadia said that emma was in the bathroom with shell.

[Hooly One]

Dan's talking about van, he's making it sound like she's walked..

Then they cut the sound! I wonder what will happen with this eviction if van has walked?

[DaZZ]

Ok where's Emma?they can't punish her and not Victor!One person can't have a fight on their own it takes two.Victor also needs to stop going on and on about it or it's never going to rest and it will all start again:nono:

[Lucianarchy]

Has Emma been booted for a racist attack?

[James]

Dan, Nadia and Marco were blaming Jason also, saying he had a temper that was waiting to explode.

Shell, Vanessa are still in the house. Talking calming to Victor, Jason, Michelle and Stuart on the sofas.

[Hooly One]

But wheres emma?

[DaZZ]

Ok but still what has happened to Emma? Also why is it just Emma thats missing?From what I can make out there were a few housemates envolved.Has Emma walked out?Been thrown out?What?Also why are the housemates still seperated?Has Victor and Jason had a warning about their actions tonite?

[James]

She could have walked out, or threatened to and their trying to talk her out of it. They might just be trying to defuse the situation by keeping her away from the other housemates.

The two groups are certainly being kept separately at the moment.

[DaZZ]

What happened with Chelle,Nessa and Nadia?

[DaZZ]

This is completely out of hand and it's all down to BB!!This years BB has been ruined there is no way the housemates are going to get past this its going to be weeks of arguements and slagging everyone off and it's going to lose viewers if none of the housemates are getting on,snogging and getting drunk.

[James]

Nadia and Marco talked to Michelle there between the patio doors and Michelle said Shell wouldn't talk to them because Shell wasn't happy with Nadia.

Now Nadia and Marco are bitching about Shell. They don't know when to stop.

[DaZZ]

So Ness is leaving then?

[DaZZ]

Ha ha The smaller group (Nadia,Marco,Dan and Ahmed) who seem to be being treated like criminals get a better deal than they realise.They get the BEDS lol At least they can get some sleep what are the others going to sleep on :laugh:

[DaZZ]

Victor - 'I was an idiot amoungst other things'
Can I say that is the understatement of the year !

[themage]

Dazz, who wants to see another series 4 with them drinking and getting on.
This has been the best series since the first series.

Would rather see a damn good argument than another twee romance.

[James]

Picture of the lounge area after the argument

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/albums/userpics/BB5/big-argument/Big%20Brother%205%20Live-20040617-045737.jpg

I've put more pictures of the housemates in an album in the gallery:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=135

[DaZZ]

Well if Emma has gone I think Victor should go too!He's shown BB that he can be violent towards women so another little fight isn't going to stop him.Kitten did far less than Victor and she got thrown out (it really makes you realise that ratings top the priorities when it comes to BB and the safety of it's housemates)J should also get a warning too if he hasn't already.I can't wait to see the back of Vanessa all she does is moan and right now moaning isn't something the housemates want to hear

[James]

We're now in the time when the watershed starts so they are blanking out the sound more. They have to start it early because of E4+1.

Should really go to bed but I can't seem to drag myself away from the live feed. lol

[DaZZ]

Seems that everyone in the group in the sitting area are blaming Emma for everything.Would be nice to have Emma to defend herself ! A fight wouldn't have happened if the others hadn't risen to Emma in the first place !!

[DaZZ]

I'm off to bed now.Wonder what is going to happen while I'm fast asleep?:conf:

[signature_maker]

I can't believe, the first night since it started I have been to bed before Midnight.... :bawling:

Oh well, Jason hasn't gone, he is in the garden hut now...

[Sunny_01]

personally find te whole idea of physical violence disturbing. I am watching this morning and Vanessa is deeply disturbed by the events of last night to say the least.

Emma may well have been gunning for an argument but that did not give Victor the right to strike her at all. Noone should have been hit or thrown across the room, they are after all meant to be adults and adults should be able to work out their differences without resorting to this type of horrendous behaviour.

I for one chose not to watch it when things started to heat up as I knew it was going to end up in a bun fight and couldnt bare to watch it.

[Armshouse]

Did he actually hit her??? Did anyone see this???

[Stu xxx]

bloddy hell cant believe i missed all this!!! whats going on anyone know?? I need to know!! xxx

[Maggie]

This From Tht C4 BB site




Totally losing it...

Fight Night!
Day 21, 09:16
Thursday 17 June

Tempers erupted in the Big Brother House last night - leaving the place in a state of chaos. Victor and Emma were separated by security, and Jason and Marco and Vanessa and Nadia all went head to head.

The animosity between Emma and Victor exploded when, during a playful food fight, Emma's volume control went haywire. Incensed by her screeching Victor lost it, big time. A food fight escalated into tray-throwing, Emma first, Victor retaliating, before the two had to be dragged apart screaming insults and threats at each other.

"Do you know who I am?" Victor bellowed repeatedly.

"I'll *******ing kill you," screamed Emma, before being dragged away by Dan.

She failed to calm down enough to remain in the House, so Big Brother asked her to return to the Bedsit.

Previously another row had erupted between Jason and Marco. Marco's delight at the return of his bestest allies Emma and Michelle spilled over into a dance of "disrespect". At least that's how Jay saw it.

Jay started blustering around telling anyone who'd listen, and there weren't many volunteers, that the mess from the earlier food fight would have to be cleared up. When Marco performed a loud and camp jig in his face, the burly Scot exploded and shouted at the law student.

"How dare you intimidate me!" squealed Marco, choosing not to call Jay "Darling" in this instance.

"You dance like that again, and I'll take your *******king head off," came the muscle-bound reply.

Don't *******ing mess with me


With Jason pumped and ready for trouble Nadia and Emma stepped between him and Marco to protect him. Marco giggled at the back, but Jason was deadly serious.

While Dan and Stuart attempted to keep the peace Vanessa started shouting at Nadia.

Then, for the first time in Big Brother history, security entered the House to restore order.

With Emma safely ensconced in the Bedsit the other members of the House scattered themselves about the place as they all tried to calm down.

We bet there'll be a few sore heads this morning...

[Stu xxx]

so emmas still in then? xxx

[Maggie]

The Bedsit anyway, though she might have decided to go,

[BigSister]

Im comfused
Whats gone on, but it seems a lot has gone on though

[BigSister]

Thats for that maggie
Now i understand something among this confusion

[James]

Michelle, Stuart and Jason are discussing the night before now. They don't sound like they think anyone will be thrown out.

Stuart says he doesn't remember much from the night before.

[kaphc]

I posted somewhere on another thread about being concerned about Emma going back into the house as she is such a volatile character, but I never thought it would all get as bad as this.

I am upset too by the amount of aggressive behaviour that has gone on. The scene in the lounge and the fact that they had to send in security guards - how on earth did 11 grown-up people let everything get into that state!

Where do we draw the line between entertainment and unacceptable things to have on what is essentially a TV game show? And how much alcohol did BB provide them with to fuel this situation?

Sorry if I sound negative, but I am trying to take this all in ...

[Kanye_West]

Emma is that thick she thinks if she shouts shell win. Which got the guys annoyed. All their faults really. But mostly Emma's for not keeping her big gob shut!

[BusyBee]

In all this did Emma let on that they knew what had been going on?

Just goes to prove what happens when excessive alcohol is available - they seemed to have loads last night. Who on earth did the psychological assessment of this lot.

It was obvious something was going to happen - surprised though that it wasnt Victor - Jason was fit to burst you could see it in his face.

I reckon it could all kick off again, the way they are all feeling it will just take one word in the wrong place. How on earth can they live together for another 6 weeks feeling as they do.

Well BB have certain managed to make this BB unboring!!!

[dustmite]

Who did a psychological assessment... now, hasn't Gareth done the psychological assessments for most BBs at almost all levels? If so, it wouldn't surprise me if he missed something of this calibre...

...not that I don't like the guy...

[Armshouse]

Emma was totally out of order saying "stop acting like a typical black man"!

WTF! How Rude?

[James]

Originally posted by BusyBee
In all this did Emma let on that they knew what had been going on?


Emma let on to certain people I think, like Marco and Nadia.

That's probably why Marco reacted like he did after Jason told them to clear up the mess after the food fight.

[dustmite]

Originally posted by Armshouse
Emma was totally out of order saying "stop acting like a typical black man"!

WTF! How Rude?
But that's not unlike him saying things about white people either.

Stereotypical racism, most people do it, and most people don't realise they're doing it... but that really doesn't even figure in what happened yesterday, there's many more troubling issues.

[bananarama]

Entertaining but uncomfortable viewing. This pshychological violence generated by BB has I think gone to far. If that is negative I am sorry but I don't like seeing people suffer mentally to this degree.

Some are blaming Emma for kicking off. Emma was the bullet but BB was the gun. Blame BB not Emma. They put her and Michelle in a pressure cooker. Surprise surprise it has blown and some have got hurt.

From the word go it has been clear that Victor thinks like a gangster. talks like a gangster. (A deluded godfathert type)

If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck then Victor is a gangster.

Of all the BB characters BB should do the honourable thing and expel him from the house.

If Emma has tried any violence then BB must be held responsible for putting her into such a highly strung state of mind. To have someone in a room for days seeing no fresh air. Constantly fed controversial material concerning themselves and then expect them to behave like sane people when released. I don't think so.

Jason is also quite vile and his position in the house should be considered as untenable.

I understand that Venessa at some stage also kicked off big time and Shell and Nadia may have got well overheated.

Dan not my favourite man has handled the situation well and credit to him for that. Michelle too although a bit weepy at times has been a calming influence trying to calm Emma down. Even those that don't like at least give her credit for her more calming behavour.

As I said at the beginning. Entertaining because it is shocking but it leaves a bit of a nasty tast in my mouth...I actually feel guilty for enjoying it.

[dustmite]

I do not really blame BB here, I blame the psychologists that said the housemates were a stable collection.

How on earth did they, the single most important people on the team, screw up? Can't blame Endemol there.

[Armshouse]

Hmmm yes Victor does talk like he is from the Endz (the ghetto, hood)

Has he once showed that he acts gangsta, sells drugs, handles guns etc etc

Why has the word Gangsta come into it?? Ah i Know, because he is black eh?

[dustmite]

Originally posted by Armshouse
Hmmm yes Victor does talk like he is from the Endz (the ghetto, hood)

Has he once showed that he acts gangsta, sells drugs, handles guns etc etc

Why has the word Gangsta come into it?? Ah i Know, because he is black eh?
No, he fits the stereotypical image.

That's how stereotypes work, if people wouldn't get so worked up about them, the world would be an infinately happier place.

[Armshouse]

So a loud, young black male, stereotype is a Gangsta, hmmmmmmm and you wonder why people get upset!........

[bananarama]

Why has the word Gangsta come into it?? Ah i Know, because he is black eh?


No..Because he talks like a gangster makes the same type of threats as a gangster. clearly has the mentality of a gangster. I will not refrain from saying what I believe about a person because they are "black". If Jason talked in the same gangster style I would be saying exactly the same about him....

[Armshouse]

Hmmmmm

Ur views are weak, Victor talks like a normal black male for his age, not a Gangster.

[dustmite]

I would clarify, I am not making my stereotypical comments in respect to his race/skin colour either, couldn't care if he was purple, there's still the 'steoreotypical' activities that a 'gangster' get up to.

Oh, and before you jump further down my throat, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what happened, I'm just saying it's the assignment of stereotypes, that's a normal sociological thing.

[Armshouse]

Originally posted by dustmite
I would clarify, I am not making my stereotypical comments in respect to his race/skin colour either, couldn't care if he was purple, there's still the 'steoreotypical' activities that a 'gangster' get up to.

.

Sell Drugs, Shoot Guns, Drink on Street Corners with their peeps, Pimp Women.......

Victor has shown none of these........


Dont matter.....

Emma is just acting like some dippy white girl........

[bananarama]

Ur views are weak, Victor talks like a normal black male for his age, not a Gangster.



Well. If Victor represents "Normal" behavour then god help us all.

By making such a statement you are insulting the typical black male.

I have lived and worked and socialised with black males and females and your description does not fit what I have found to be typical or normal or what ever meaningless words your mind set wants to latch on to..

[Armshouse]

That comment sums it all up eh, nothing else to back up your weak argument.

[Armshouse]

basically, Emma knew Victor would skitz out!

She was like a kid playing with a landmine.

She made him go off.

Victor will be next to be evicted, standard.

We will never see an ethnic person win BB, especially after seeing the views put across in all the forums today.

[NachoNovo]

Your man Victor, walks and talks like he's a gangster and talks about being from the 'streets', walks about with a fake 50 cent swagger and generally thinks he's a hardman, then on the other hand he walks about singing 'busted' songs, and some of the things he talks about are pure "SH!T". Victor's no gangster, he's just a young black guy that thinks because he's black that he has to act like some sort of Boy from the Hood, when really thats all he is, is a boy! one who's making himself a target for real gangsters when he gets out. I bet you some lads will just walk up to him in the street and say "Do, you know who i am?" and probably kick the sh!t out of him. Well deserved in my opinion. Also, too Armshouse what you where saying about Victor not selling drugs, shooting guns etc, etc... well thats the impression he's trying to give that he does do all this. Dunno about the pimpin women tho, he does talk on load of crap about his past sexual experiences but i think its all bullsh!t.

[bananarama]

That comment sums it all up eh, nothing else to back up your weak argument


:laugh: It's far to early in the day for such a laugh...

It is alway a good idea when reading a counter reply to actually absorb what has been said before you comment back.

[Ash*]

Emma is completely cu coo. She is nuts. Michelle no different. They had inside info. They were using for there all the info for Revenge. Both Michelle and Emma are vindictive animals, nothing more nothing less.

Emma is a vindictive woman, she has no sense or any brain. She has even admitted it her self.

She was the catalyst in all that happened last night. You have to remember they told Marco, Maroc using his pee brian agitated Jason. All heel got lose.

Victor was stupid to allow Emma to get to him. He was wrong on hitting Emma. That is not acceptable.

Far as i am concerned both should be thrown out. Emma for being the dumb person that she is, should be taken out of her misery, and removed form Big Brother.

The most stupid thing was the way the two were aloud to hear the conversations.

Every one in the house were making private conversations. How would Emma have felt say it was Victor who was in the bedsit listening to her private conversation and came out with all the rubbish that she would have been saying.

[dustmite]

The bedsit idea, itself, was made well. The problem, really, is that the psychologists made an error... a big one, yes, but an error nonetheless

[Frogster]

Originally posted by Armshouse

Victor will be next to be evicted, standard.

We will never see an ethnic person win BB, especially after seeing the views put across in all the forums today.

Well, from an older persons point of view, maybe thats a good thing.... and before you jump..... everyone has their own opinion... thats mine!

[classy chic]

Originally posted by Armshouse
Hmmmmm

Ur views are weak, Victor talks like a normal black male for his age, not a Gangster.

victor is a *******in p***K NO MATTER what COLOUR HIS SKIN IS!! "do you know who i am,do you know who i am" :devil::devil: yeah your an arsehole who hits and throws drink and spits in a females face!!!!

[bananarama]

We will never see an ethnic person win


Ahhh. So that's what the defensive attitude it's all about.

You want to see a winner based on "Political correctness" Instead of "Merit" .:shocked:

[Bearskillz]

Quote:
Originally posted by Armshouse

"Victor will be next to be evicted, standard.

We will never see an ethnic person win BB, especially after seeing the views put across in all the forums today.


Well, from an older persons point of view, maybe thats a good thing.... and before you jump..... everyone has their own opinion... thats mine! "



You're right - everyone does an opinion. Not many are as close-minded and bigoted as yours though Mr Frogster. That's a truly outrageous thing to say......

[Frogster]

Originally posted by Bearskillz
Quote:
Originally posted by Armshouse

"Victor will be next to be evicted, standard.

We will never see an ethnic person win BB, especially after seeing the views put across in all the forums today.


Well, from an older persons point of view, maybe thats a good thing.... and before you jump..... everyone has their own opinion... thats mine! "



You're right - everyone does an opinion. Not many are as close-minded and bigoted as yours though Mr Frogster. That's a truly outrageous thing to say......

Yes... almost as outrageous as the way Victor has been talking......

Get a life!

[Bearskillz]

I just thought it was good of you to cheerily dismiss millions of individuals on the basis of one person seen in clips edited for maximum dramatic effect.
But then you are an "older person" (30? 40? 50? Do you still live with your mum??) so I guess you have good reasons for your xenphobia.....:xyxwave:

[Frogster]

Originally posted by Bearskillz
I just thought it was good of you to cheerily dismiss millions of individuals on the basis of one person seen in clips edited for maximum dramatic effect.
But then you are an "older person" (30? 40? 50? Do you still live with your mum??) so I guess you have good reasons for your xenphobia.....:xyxwave:

Sorry,
I don't need to justify myself to you or any one.... but if you really want to know.... 50, and had a very full life, lived all over the world and if I am biggoted then that is my right... I was, and still am simply stating my opinion (after all I have lots of experience to draw on to make an opinion... unlike some)....
Like this one.....
Wake up an smell the coffee... !!!

[Animal]

Admit it, this is the action you all wanted to see.

BB ain't boring no more.

[Bearskillz]

There will be no conclusion to this so probably best to leave it there.......


VICTOR TO WIN!!!! :thumbs:

[Animal]

Victor doesn't deserve to be kept in the house, let alone win.

[Bearskillz]

Victor should win because....

a) He's the funniest (Hackjaw-Jim-Duggan tirade; his face when Emma/Michele reappeared = most amusing moments)

b) He's the most honest/least two-faced (except possibly Ahmed)

c) It'll blatantly all kick off again if he stays.

C'mon people - this is TV. It's entertainment. We need clashes of personality. They all knew what they were getting into.....

[DaZZ]

Yes the housemates knew what they were getting into but they were not expecting to get HIT by another housemate who can't control his rage!

[Bearskillz]

If he'd really thumped anyone - he'd have been arrested by now.... Endemol can't have those sorts of possibilities coming back to sting them - they would've taken action if it was serious.

[Sunny_01]

I disagree I dont think Victor should win at all, he is far to volatile, he is rude and dismissive of other people and is always looking for a reason to big himself up about how much of a hard man he is.

I also dont think Emma should win, she is also to volatile, she is of obvious limited intelligence and reacts in the only way she knows how which isnt how most of us would react in the kind of situation she faced last night.

I agree with the person who said BB was the gun for this bullet they practically manufactured it in my opinion. They wanted fireworks and boy did they get them.

I think the one thing we all need to remember here is that like the HMs we all have opinions and are all entitled to them, that doesnt mean we have to attack each other for our opinions it just means that we are different and have a variety of experiences to draw our opinions from. Noone is right and noone is wrong we are all just different.

Are we going to let the events of last night in the house make us have a bun fight as well?????

:colour:

[bananarama]

We need clashes of personality.


Are you serious.:shocked: What personality.:shocked:

When I tune into BB I don't expect to see an emulation of Al Capone.....and possibly physical but definately verbal thuggery...:devil:

[DaZZ]

So will any of what happened be shown (edited) in tonights BB show?

[Bearskillz]

Originally posted by bananarama

We need clashes of personality.


When I tune into BB I don't expect to see an emulation of Al Capone.....and possibly physical but definately verbal thuggery...:devil:

Better off watching Songs of Praise this year then mate....
I love watching a good row. :dance:

[Kore]

For god sake, your all makin up your own story, , by what ive heard this morning, victor just threw wine over emma, that sounds simular to the food fight emma had earlier on , hmm, emma out asap!!! plz. ps get michelle out too. :dance:

[bananarama]

I love watching a good row


So you watch songs of praise too...:laugh:

[Bearskillz]

I set my video every week for s.o.p mate....now THAT'S reality TV!! :love:

[Animal]

i'd love to see a fight break out on that one :D

[Hooly One]

Yes, now that would be funny:hugesmile:

[jay-z]

no none got hit apart from victor when emma hit him victor did push nadia when she tried to restrain him but he didnt see who he was pushinh because she was behined him i guess he thought she was stuart who was behined him at the time.I was watching it on the internet so they didnt block anything out Emma is a littile racist did you hear what she said to victor.Aparently what emma said was racial hatred and the polie are looking to talk to her about what she said.Also the show producers have said some people may be leaving the house due to the fact that violence and threts of violence will result in the person/s be kicked out.

[Hooly One]

I don't know if this has already been posted?? but if it has, then here it is again.

This is what happened ->

Fight Night!
Day 21, 09:16
Thursday 17 June
Watch this clip


Tempers erupted in the Big Brother House last night - leaving the place in a state of chaos. Victor and Emma were separated by security, and Jason and Marco and Vanessa and Nadia all went head to head.

The animosity between Emma and Victor exploded when, during a playful food fight, Emma's volume control went haywire. Incensed by her screeching Victor lost it, big time. A food fight escalated into tray-throwing, Emma first, Victor retaliating, before the two had to be dragged apart screaming insults and threats at each other.

"Do you know who I am?" Victor bellowed repeatedly.

"I'll *******ing kill you," screamed Emma, before being dragged away by Dan.

She failed to calm down enough to remain in the House, so Big Brother asked her to return to the Bedsit.

Previously another row had erupted between Jason and Marco. Marco's delight at the return of his bestest allies Emma and Michelle spilled over into a dance of "disrespect". At least that's how Jay saw it.

Jay started blustering around telling anyone who'd listen, and there weren't many volunteers, that the mess from the earlier food fight would have to be cleared up. When Marco performed a loud and camp jig in his face, the burly Scot exploded and shouted at the law student.

"How dare you intimidate me!" squealed Marco, choosing not to call Jay "Darling" in this instance.

"You dance like that again, and I'll take your *******king head off," came the muscle-bound reply.

Don't *******ing mess with me


With Jason pumped and ready for trouble Nadia and Emma stepped between him and Marco to protect him. Marco giggled at the back, but Jason was deadly serious.

While Dan and Stuart attempted to keep the peace Vanessa started shouting at Nadia.

Then, for the first time in Big Brother history, security entered the House to restore order.

With Emma safely ensconced in the Bedsit the other members of the House scattered themselves about the place as they all tried to calm down.

Watch it all on tonight's show on Channel 4, 10pm - don't miss!

Taken from the offcial site

[Hooly One]

Lol! BB's been on the BBC News at 6 & The ITV News :shocked:

[BigSister]

:laugh:Hooly

[James]

Originally posted by Hooly One
Lol! BB's been on the BBC News at 6 & The ITV News :shocked:

lol I wondered if that would happen. Watched the headlines but no mention.

[Hooly One]

Watch Itv news James, it's about to come on..

[BigSister]

Just on then

[James]

Thanks Hooly.

It's just been on. Kevin O'Sullivan put in his tuppence worth.

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by James
Thanks Hooly.

It's just been on. Kevin O'Sullivan put in his tuppence worth.

Yep, he really doe's hate BB

[dustmite]

It's funny, he's turning a real cashcow for any paper into a non-cashcow. Since the NOTW and The Sun get all the housemates as they don't have to battle for them... very silly Mr O' Sullivan.

[Animal]

it's about time Reality TV, took a Reality Check

heh.

[dustmite]

What he meant to say...

"It's about time I got a new job, preferably collecting garbage"... oh wait, he writes for the Mirror, my bad.

[nigra]

Emma out & straight to the loony bin :spin2:
She should just accept that what Victor said is true, and that she is really thick and has only 2 brain cells, and that jade's surname is not goodyear

Marco to join her & be administered 10 lashes daily

Michelle to go on the police highly dangerous serial killers shortlist for her psychopathic tendencies

Jason to be sent to an anger-management classes

Victor to be shown clips of himself in the big brother house to show what a twat he comes across as (Highly amusing viewing but the joke's on him)

Stuart to be shown clips of himself to show how he was being played (controlled) by Michelle.

Nadia to have reconstructive surgery on his genitalia & his implants removed

Ahmed, get him sent to the dentist to sort out his tooth & to speech therapy classes to lose his stupid faux arab accent

Michelle/Vanessa/Dan - mmm who cares what happens to them...

[James]

Originally posted by Hooly One
Watch Itv news James, it's about to come on..

I was half expecting them to be discussing Big Brother on Newsnight tonight. :hugesmile:

[Hooly One]

Lol James!:hugesmile: