"Packy"

[KKBL]

i find it realy offensive when chavs use the word "packy" when there talking about people from the middle east.do you?

[Billy]

I actually dont find it offensive. I dunno if that sounds bad, I just dont think that when people use it, they mean it offensively all the time, but more as an abbreviation.

Saying that, I dont use it, nor do many people I know.

[Chrizzle]

Not really.
I honestly dont find it a big deal, not when its not used offensively

People call British people 'brits'
So why cant people call Pakistani's '*****'

I sound racist, but I do it subconciously. We were reading in Sociology and it kept saying 'Pakistani & Bangladeshi' so I shortend it down to '***** and banglas' and it sounded really bad. My teacher did it to.

Saying it doesnt make someone racist imo.

[Shaun]

Of course, it depends in the context you mean it in. Saying "****ing ****" is different to shortening Pakistani :tongue:

Generally though, I think it's wise to just avoid using the word altogether - it's not too much of an effort to say Pakistani, and when it's used ignorantly and in a discriminatory manner, it's obviously a disgusting thing to say.

[Lauren]

In itself I'd say it wasn't an offensive term - it's just shortened their creed.

However, the way it's used usually insinuated aggression or ignorance. Usually anyone from an asian background is referred to as '****' even if they're not from Pakistan. Also, the only time I have heard it used is as an insult or in an offensive manner.

So although the word itself isn't bad, the connotations are -and I feel this is why we shouldn't use it.

[KKBL]

but the thing is you dont have to be pakistanian to be branded a "packy".you can be indian,eygptian,turkish,saudi arabian sometimes even brazillian.aslong as youve got the accent or your skin is that colour.

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by KKBL
but the thing is you dont have to be pakistanian to be branded a "packy".you can be indian,eygptian,turkish,saudi arabian sometimes even brazillian.aslong as youve got the accent or your skin is that colour.

Well yeah, thats just stupid.
The people saying it are just worthless.

Wouldn't even acknowledge them to be honest

[Lauren]

Originally posted by KKBL
but the thing is you dont have to be pakistanian to be branded a "packy".you can be indian,eygptian,turkish,saudi arabian sometimes even brazillian.aslong as youve got the accent or your skin is that colour.

Exactly my point. People are ignorant in their use of it, and it's often used in an insulting way anyway.
If **** was used exclusively to people from Pakistani, and just to refer to their creed - it's not an issue. It's when people refer to people of a brown skin tone as it, or using it when in an argument that it becomes an issue.

[_Audrey]

Personally I don't find it offensive and I do say it sometimes. Like "**** shop". That might be racist but I would never say it offensively, or to someone who was Pakistani in case they got offended.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Personally I don't find it offensive and I do say it sometimes. Like "**** shop". That might be racist but I would never say it offensively, or to someone who was Pakistani in case they got offended.

My local shop is owned by a Pakistani family, and he put a joke sign above the door saying "**** Shop" :laugh:

[Chrizzle]

People say **** Shop all the time here. I think its just a UK thing.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by _Audrey
Personally I don't find it offensive and I do say it sometimes. Like "**** shop". That might be racist but I would never say it offensively, or to someone who was Pakistani in case they got offended.

My local shop is owned by a Pakistani family, and he put a joke sign above the door saying "**** Shop" :laugh:

Haha that's quality!

I think it's great when people that are Pakistani can do things like that in jest, and not get offended and brand people racist or anything because I think it's so widely used now that the line between it being racist/being an acceptable term is really blurred!

[Lauren]

Originally posted by _Audrey

I think it's great when people that are Pakistani can do things like that in jest, and not get offended and brand people racist or anything because I think it's so widely used now that the line between it being racist/being an acceptable term is really blurred!

Yeah he is awesome, he hands out Christmas cards to his favourite customers at Christmas even though he is Muslim and doesn't celebrate it :laugh3:

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by _Audrey

I think it's great when people that are Pakistani can do things like that in jest, and not get offended and brand people racist or anything because I think it's so widely used now that the line between it being racist/being an acceptable term is really blurred!

Yeah he is awesome, he hands out Christmas cards to his favourite customers at Christmas even though he is Muslim and doesn't celebrate it :laugh3:

Awww haha! That's so sweet. I remember my Maths teacher in school used to give me christmas cards right up until sixth year, even though he only taught me in first year, haha.

In the **** shop up the road from me, my dad always buys his cigars in there and one time I went up to buy a bottle of vodka and my dad was there. The guy ID'd me and although I had ID because I'm 18, my dad just went "it's OK - she's my daughter" and he's never ID'd me since, haha. Wish my Dad had done that years ago :laugh2:

[MrGaryy]

Yes I find it offensive. I know someone who constantly uses it in refernece to a Pakistani kid in our school, in a derogatory way. I always pull him up on that and tell him that it's a racist term and that he needs to more careful using such words in public places

[Xander]

Originally posted by KKBL
i find it realy offensive when chavs use the word "packy" when there talking about people from the middle east.do you?

You can't really say that Chavs use the word "**** or Packy" as its there are a lot of people other than those type of people that use, I don't find it very offensive, its offensive depending who your saying it to. Yes I have used it a couple of times before but in a non-offensive way. "****" is just short for Pakistan, so its like someone calling me a Aussie if I was from Australia, I wouldn't find it offensive.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by Xander
Originally posted by KKBL
i find it realy offensive when chavs use the word "packy" when there talking about people from the middle east.do you?

You can't really say that Chavs use the word "**** or Packy" as its there are a lot of people other than those type of people that use, I don't find it very offensive, its offensive depending who your saying it to. Yes I have used it a couple of times before but in a non-offensive way. "****" is just short for Pakistan, so its like someone calling me a Aussie if I was from Australia, I wouldn't find it offensive.

would you find it offensive if somone called you a packy when you where infact from India?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by KKBL

would you find it offensive if somone called you a packy when you where infact from India?

Exactly! My friend is Indian and he gets called "****" from random people and apart from it being said in an aggressive/insulting manner - he gets moreso annoyed by the completely ignorance shown by the person shouting it.

[Xander]

Originally posted by KKBL
Originally posted by Xander
Originally posted by KKBL
i find it realy offensive when chavs use the word "packy" when there talking about people from the middle east.do you?

You can't really say that Chavs use the word "**** or Packy" as its there are a lot of people other than those type of people that use, I don't find it very offensive, its offensive depending who your saying it to. Yes I have used it a couple of times before but in a non-offensive way. "****" is just short for Pakistan, so its like someone calling me a Aussie if I was from Australia, I wouldn't find it offensive.

would you find it offensive if somone called you a packy when you where infact from India?

Yes, I would find it offensive because I was in fact from Pakistan not India.
That would be racist in my eyes, but if someones from Pakistan and you call them a "****" then your just giving a name for there heritage. It depends on how you use the term.

[Ross]

No, I always say "I'm going to the 'Packy' Shop."

[Tom]

I think it depends in what context its said. If its said just referring to a group of people then its OK because its just like saying Brit or Scot etc but if its directed as an insult then I think thats were it gets a bit offensive ...

Its a very grey word so I choose not to use it.

[Ruth]

It depends on the motivation for saying it. If you are simply using it as an abbreviation, then that's one thing, but a lot of people use it as an insult. That is unacceptable. Also, a lot of people use it in completely the wrong situation, labelling people from India as '****'s' for example.

I personally don't use the word - I would hate for someone to misinterpret my intentions when I was saying it, so it's better to avoid it.

[Nurse57]

Ok, what one of you was put up to this by Nodis?

I find it amusing that a couple of you that defend the use of the word ****/paky still chose to ** some of the letters out. Why if it is not offensive?

[bigbrotherman]

i have no idea

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Ok, what one of you was put up to this by Nodis?
LOL

I wouldn't be surprised of he did. This is the kind of nonsense he thinks about.

Basically, the word is an offensive word when used in certain circumstances. Given that I dont think anyone who says - 'I'm going down the **** shop' should ever think it fine to talk like that. Such a sentence may cause offense if said in the wrong conversation to the wrong person amnd causing such offence is best avoided. Can I ask the people who use the word freely - Do you use it in front of Asian people?

[Nurse57]

That I doubt.

[Nurse57]

Just another quick one to the people who say "I am going to the **** shop" Why go to the effort of adding the extra word "****" Would "I am going to the shop" not do? If it was run by a white English person would you say "I am going to the brit shop"?

[Polka.dot]

It's just a shortening of the longer word, it doesn't necessarily mean whoever uses it hates the entire race! Stuff like that can be done to loads of races or countries, e.g. 'brits' for example. Obviously since we're in Britain, it can't be used as an insult, but those who use the word as an insult are just ignorant. They're not tolerant of south Asians in general, since the word can be thrown around towards anyone in the Indian subcontinent really. The word doesn't have a history like the 'n' word though.

[Nurse57]

"The word doesn't have a history like the 'n' word though." try telling that to the African Asian population that came here in the early 70's after Idi Amin forced them out of Uganda.

I think the most telling question asked (for get who it was by) is would you call a Pakistani a "****" to their face. If not, way not?

[Nurse57]

Ok, just noticed that if you say **** with out " " then it gets censored. So sorry if I pulled anyone up on that that did not deserve it.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nurse57
would you call a Pakistani a "****" to their face. If not, way not?
Absolutely. All those guys who say they're not offended by the word should be confident enough to say it anywhere. If you guys are not confident then why not?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Just another quick one to the people who say "I am going to the pa** shop" Why go to the effort of adding the extra word "****" Would "I am going to the shop" not do? If it was run by a white English person would you say "I am going to the brit shop"?

It's just an expression.

And no, of course you wouldn't - we live in britain. That's like people who say "American English or British English" - you don't need to say "British English" because the language originated here.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
It's just an expression.

And no, of course you wouldn't - we live in britain. That's like people who say "American English or British English" - you don't need to say "British English" because the language originated here.
Not a very nice expression is it? So why use it and also why so open about using it? Dont you think that shows a lack of sensitivity?

[Nurse57]

Ok, would you go to the frog shop if owned by a French person?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
It's just an expression.

And no, of course you wouldn't - we live in britain. That's like people who say "American English or British English" - you don't need to say "British English" because the language originated here.
Not a very nice expression is it? So why use it and also why so open about using it? Dont you think that shows a lack of sensitivity?

Maybe not to some people but each to their own. I'm not a racist and I wouldn't use it maliciously so no it doesn't show a lack of sensitivity - if I thought it would offend someone, I would steer clear of it, but if I'm in my own home or talking to someone I know that wouldn't mind then I might say "**** shop". Freedom of speech is being abolished by all this ridiculous politically correctness, it drives me mad :mad:

[GiRTh]

I think people are too quick to call it political correctness. The question is - Why use the word at all if it causes offense? Why not just not say '****'? Why size up who you are with and calculate the probability of them taking offence? That sounds more ridiculous than any amount of political correctness.

[Nurse57]

"but if I'm in my own home or talking to someone I know that wouldn't mind then I might say "**** shop" "

So what you are saying is you have the balls to be racist (imo) in your own home or in front of like minded people but not to stand by your beliefs and do it in public. If it is not racist as you say, then why not.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I think people are too quick to call it political correctness. The question is - Why use the word at all if it causes offense? Why not just not say '****'? Why size up who you are with and calculate the probability of them taking offence? That sounds more ridiculous than any amount of political correctness.

No it doesn't. If everyone totally abolished all words that might cause offense to someone, the English vocabulary would shrink a hell of a lot. It's not exactly difficult to work out whether someone would be offended, if it was that much of a time consumer then yeah I wouldn't say it. However, like I said - it's each to their own.

And to Nurse57 - it's not racist. I'm not gonna have a conversation with someone who just branded me a racist.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
It's just an expression.

And no, of course you wouldn't - we live in britain. That's like people who say "American English or British English" - you don't need to say "British English" because the language originated here.
Not a very nice expression is it? So why use it and also why so open about using it? Dont you think that shows a lack of sensitivity?

Maybe not to some people but each to their own. I'm not a racist and I wouldn't use it maliciously so no it doesn't show a lack of sensitivity - if I thought it would offend someone, I would steer clear of it, but if I'm in my own home or talking to someone I know that wouldn't mind then I might say "**** shop". Freedom of speech is being abolished by all this ridiculous politically correctness, it drives me mad :mad:

I tend to think that when people moan about freedom of speech being eradicated, what they often mean is that their freedom to make insensitive and nasty remarks is being taken away from them. With freedom of speech comes responsibility. Why not try and show some?

Interesting article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#Restrictions_on_free_speech)

[_Audrey]

Obviously the PC brigade is on my heels here so I give up.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Obviously the PC brigade is on my heels here so I give up.

Hahahahaha. I'm not part of any 'PC Brigade'. Your remarks are typical of someone who doesn't want to be told when they are being rude or insensitive. Btw, freedom of speech does have some exceptions, you know. I posted an article about it in my last post.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
No it doesn't. If everyone totally abolished all words that might cause offense to someone, the English vocabulary would shrink a hell of a lot. It's not exactly difficult to work out whether someone would be offended, if it was that much of a time consumer then yeah I wouldn't say it. However, like I said - it's each to their own.

And to Nurse57 - it's not racist. I'm not going to have a conversation with someone who just branded me a racist.
No one was talking about abolishing words. Some words are more sensitive than others especially words that are used as racial epithets. Surely it would be more sensible to not use the word rather than use the word and then defend your right to use it when it finally gets you in trouble.

[Nurse57]

I'm not a racist..... but. Convince me you are not. You have just said

"It's not exactly difficult to work out whether someone would be offended" So you agree the word can be offensive, thus racist in this instant. So if you use it, no mater who it is in front of it is still the same offensive, racist word.

We all agree ****** is offensive, yes? Are you saying if you use it in your own home to describe black people it is no longer racist? That is the argument you have just given.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Just another quick one to the people who say "I am going to the pa** shop" Why go to the effort of adding the extra word "****" Would "I am going to the shop" not do? If it was run by a white English person would you say "I am going to the brit shop"?

I know this is like a rare case... but my local shop actually calls himself the **** shop.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Nurse57
Just another quick one to the people who say "I am going to the pa** shop" Why go to the effort of adding the extra word "****" Would "I am going to the shop" not do? If it was run by a white English person would you say "I am going to the brit shop"?

I know this is like a rare case... but my local shop actually calls himself the pa** shop. That is not progress Lauren. Not by a long way. We call that playing Uncle Tom. Its not good.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
That is not progress Lauren. Not by a long way. We call that playing Uncle Tom. Its not good.

Elaborate.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GiRTh
That is not progress Lauren. Not by a long way. We call that playing Uncle Tom. Its not good.

Elaborate. He's saying it to fit in. Do you all laugh about it? There you go.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I'm not a racist..... but. Convince me you are not. You have just said

"It's not exactly difficult to work out whether someone would be offended" So you agree the word can be offensive, thus racist in this instant. So if you use it, no mater who it is in front of it is still the same offensive, racist word.

We all agree ni**er is offensive, yes? Are you saying if you use it in your own home to describe black people it is no longer racist? That is the argument you have just given.

Racism is discrimination and prejudice because of someone's race. Treating them differently because of it. A racist hates people because of their race - I don't. Therefore I'm not a racist.

Yes I agree it can be offensive, but not to everyone. And like I also said, if every single potentially offensive word was eradicated, a lot of people would have to stop saying a lot of words. What about when people call me a jock because I'm Scottish?

We're not talking about the 'n' word - that is completely different. **** is a shortening of Pakistani, the 'n' word is a blatantly slanderous term.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
He's saying it to fit in. Do you all laugh about it? There you go.

No we don't laugh about it, we barely even notice. He fit in before the sign went up.
Also, you said why allude saying the word depending on whose company you are in - but surely cutting out the word alltogether gives it a taboo context?

Also, I am interested to know your views on saying the word as 'short' of Pakistani. To a Pakistani person, with no aggression behind it.

[Nurse57]

"but my local shop actually calls himself the pa** shop." And what has he done by doing that? He has done what some gays have done with "fag" and some black people have done with "******" They have taken the word back. They have cancelled the power you had on the word out. Now I don't know the shop keeper in question so I may be talking arse. But do you think he likes calling himself "****" or has he done it to fit in. If you can't beat them, join them. Have you ever thought about asking him about it?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GiRTh
He's saying it to fit in. Do you all laugh about it? There you go.

No we don't laugh about it, we barely even notice. He fit in before the sign went up.
Also, you said why allude saying the word depending on whose company you are in - but surely cutting out the word alltogether gives it a taboo context?

Also, I am interested to know your views on saying the word as 'short' of Pakistani. To a Pakistani person, with no aggression behind it.

Good point about the taboo thing.

[Nurse57]

I was a bit slow there. Girth beat me to it.

[GiRTh]

No we don't laugh about it, we barely even notice. He fit in before the sign went up. Are you saying he has the word in the title of this shop? Thats not good either.

Also, you said why allude saying the word depending on whose company you are in - but surely cutting out the word alltogether gives it a taboo context?Its a word that is used as a racist slur. I have no problem giving it taboo status. Why do people always defend their right to use the word instead of understanding why its in their best inteerest not to use the word. Why always look at it that way? I dont get that.

Also, I am interested to know your views on saying the word as 'short' of Pakistani. To a Pakistani person, with no aggression behind it. Thats not good either for reason I've already explained. Why use the word at all? Why not say Pakistani or Asian? Why risk causing a situation then attempt to justify it by claiming your right to use the word. Baffling.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Now I don't know the shop keeper in question so I may be talking ****. But do you think he likes calling himself "****" or has he done it to fit in. If you can't beat them, join them. Have you ever thought about asking him about it?

Actually, yes - he's a good family friend. Which is why I counteracted GiRTH saying he is doing it to fit in. We often discuss things like that.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Its a word that is used as a racist slur.

Never in my entire life have I used that word in a context where it was a racist slur.

[_Audrey]

Is everyone just avoiding what I said about being called a jock?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Is everyone just avoiding what I said about being called a jock? I dont use the word so what was your point?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GiRTh
Its a word that is used as a racist slur.

Never in my entire life have I used that word in a context where it was a racist slur. Well done for that but thats not good enough. You know what the word means why do you use it?

[Nurse57]

Lauren, you say you don't laugh about the sign thing. but your very first post on the shop with the sign was this.

My local shop is owned by a Pakistani family, and he put a joke sign above the door saying "**** Shop" :laugh:

Note the laughing smiley. This was followed by _Audrey saying Ha ha ha, I think. So I would suggest that some would find it funny including yourself.

Fair enough on you asking him about the sign.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Is everyone just avoiding what I said about being called a jock? I dont use the word so what was your point?

My point was that you can't just eradicate all potentially offensive words because some people take offence to them. I don't find the word 'jock' offensive but another person might. Even though it's a totally different word, and not just a shortened vesion such as "Scot".

[~Kizwiz~]

I have never and will use the word because of its connotation with the way that some people use the term in a very derogatory way.

[Nurse57]

Likewise, I don't say jock. Do you find jock offensive _Audrey?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
My point was that you can't just eradicate all potentially offensive words because some people take offence to them. I don't find the word 'jock' offensive but another person might. Even though it's a totally different word, and not just a shortened vesion such as "Scot".
Its not a case of SOME people taking offence, '****' a very offensive word to use in certain situtations. As I've said a few times why do people always try to defend their right to use words like that rather than understand why its in their best interest not to use words like that.

[Nurse57]

Using your Jock is just a bastardisation of another word argument you are saying it is ok to say "******" as that is just a bastardisation if the word Negro. Negro is Portuguese for the word black. Nothing to do with race. I am sure you would agree that is silly. I see no difference in the words "****** and "****" and there racial connotations.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Likewise, I don't say jock. Do you find jock offensive _Audrey?

Personally, no. But I understand some people might, just like I understand some people get offended by "****" and others don't.

[Nurse57]

Why might they find jock offensive?

[_Audrey]

Because it's stereotypical.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Because it's stereotypical. But you personally dont find it offensive.

I note you admit words like '****' are offensive. Thats good to see.:thumbs:

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Because it's stereotypical. But you personally dont find it offensive.

I note you admit words like '****' are offensive. Thats good to see.:thumbs:

No, just as some pakistani people don't find '****' offensive.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh

I note you admit words like '****' are offensive. Thats good to see.:thumbs:

If used in an insulting/aggressive manner, or used for someone who is not Pakistani.

I don't see what is offensive about using it as a short term for Pakistani, to someone who is not offended by it.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GiRTh

I note you admit words like '****' are offensive. Thats good to see.:thumbs:

If used in an insulting/aggressive manner, or used for someone who is not Pakistani.

I don't see what is offensive about using it as a short term for Pakistani, to someone who is not offended by it.

Agreed.

[GiRTh]

Audrey, So if some people of that demographic dont find it offensive then its OK. So you think its OK to call someone a **** if they dont find it offensive but what if the person standing next to them finds it offensive. What do you do? Once again you're simply defending your right to use the word. Why is using this word so important? Or is it as Ruth put it, you're simply defending your right to be offensive to whomever you want?

Lauren, are you kidding? How do you justify using the word '****' as a short version of Pakistani. According to dictionary.com "Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring countries or for the descendant of such a person." Given that why are you bothering with this word? Is it so you can also defend your right to use the word.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Audrey, So if some people of that demographic doesnt find it offensive then its OK. So you think its OK to call someone a pa** of they dont find it offensive but what if the person standing next to them finds it offensive. What do you do? Once again you're simply defending your right to use the word. Why is using this word so important? Or is it as Ruth put it, you're simply defending your right to be offensive to whomever you want?

I'm defending my right to use it, yeah, because this is a debate. It's not important that I use the word but I feel strongly about defending myself when people are branding me a racist.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Lauren, are you kidding? How do you justify using the word '****' as a short version of Pakistani. According to dictionary.com "Used as a disparaging term for a person from Pakistan or neighboring countries or for the descendant of such a person." Given that why are you bothering with this word? Is it so you can also defend your right to use the word.

Had you read my contribution to the thread, you'd see I don't use the word. So don't be so quick to jump down my throat in the future.

I was stating that there are certain situations where I feel the word wouldn't be offensive, or insulting like everyone makes out - but on the whole it's best not to take chances on using it to describe someone's creed.

[GiRTh]

Had you read my contribution to the thread, you'd see I don't use the word. So don't be so quick to jump down my throat in the future.How exactly have I jumped down your throat? This looks like a fair and frank discussion to me, whos jumping down throats?

I was stating that there are certain situations where I feel the word wouldn't be offensive, or insulting like everyone makes out - but on the whole it's best not to take chances on using it to describe someone's creed.So let me get this straight - Even though you know full well that the word may be interpretted as offensive, you still think it's OK to use it in maybe one in a thousand situations. I say why bother.

[Nurse57]

"I'm defending my right to use it, yeah, because this is a debate. It's not important that I use the word but I feel strongly about defending myself when people are branding me a racist. "

Don't use racist words and I won't. Simple as.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
So let me get this straight - Even thought you know full well that the word may be interpretted as offensive, you still think it's OK to use it in maybe one in a thousand situtaions. I say why bother.

There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive.

Also, you were insinuating that I was using words that were offending others, which I do not appreciate.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive.

Also, you were insinuating that I was using words that were offending others, which I do not appreciate. I deny insinuatating anything. Do you see how easily things can be misinterpreted?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Lauren
There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive.

Also, you were insinuating that I was using words that were offending others, which I do not appreciate. I deny insinutating anything. Do you see how easily things can be misinterpreted?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a misinterpretation.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Lauren
There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive.

Also, you were insinuating that I was using words that were offending others, which I do not appreciate. I deny insinutating anything. Do you see how easily things can be misinterpreted?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a misinterpretation. What are you saying?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"I'm defending my right to use it, yeah, because this is a debate. It's not important that I use the word but I feel strongly about defending myself when people are branding me a racist. "

Don't use racist words and I won't. Simple as.

It's not racist though. Racist is being prejudiced to somebody because of their race and treating them differently. Hell, if I was racist, I wouldn't even go into the shop in the first place would I!?

[Nurse57]

"There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive."

What, like at a NF... I mean BNP meeting?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"There are certain situations you know 100% the word won't be interpreted as offensive."

What, like at a NF... I mean BNP meeting?

Another insinuation.

[_Audrey]

At the end of the day this is all about opinion. You can't say that our opinions are wrong, and we can't say yours are wrong. It's all about what you believe.

[Nurse57]

"and treating them differently." You mean like singling the race of the shop owner out for no reason when you don't do it with any other race?

[Nurse57]

"Another insinuation." Yes, an insinuation that the word would be 100% ok to use there. Not an insinuation that you are a NF/BNP member. If I wanted to know that I would ask you outright. But I don't believe you are. I think you are just misguided on this matter.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"and treating them differently." You mean like singling the race of the shop owner out for no reason when you don't do it with any other race?

Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
At the end of the day this is all about opinion. You can't say that our opinions are wrong, and we can't say yours are wrong. It's all about what you believe. What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that racist slurs are down to opinions? You need to explain.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Another insinuation." Yes, an insinuation that the word would be 100% ok to use there. Not an insinuation that you are a NF/BNP member. If I wanted to know that I would ask you outright.

It looked like you were trying to suggest that she holds the same views as the BNP.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt? Not a good example. You dont go to a Chinese Restaurant for the people you go for the food.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
At the end of the day this is all about opinion. You can't say that our opinions are wrong, and we can't say yours are wrong. It's all about what you believe. What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that racist slurs are down to opinions? You need to explain.

How many times? I would never use it as a racist slur! I'm not going to have this conversation if you and Nurse57 are just going to constantly insinuate I'm a racist.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Another insinuation." Yes, an insinuation that the word would be 100% ok to use there. Not an insinuation that you are a NF/BNP member. If I wanted to know that I would ask you outright.

Nice hedging around the subject. I refuse to partake in a conversation with people that feel it's alright to suggest that someone is racist very lightly.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt? Not a good example. You dont go to a Chinese Restaurant for the people you go for the food.

I don't go to a pakistani shop for the people either? I go to get whatever I need.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
At the end of the day this is all about opinion. You can't say that our opinions are wrong, and we can't say yours are wrong. It's all about what you believe. What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that racist slurs are down to opinions? You need to explain.

How many times? I would never use it as a racist slur! I'm not going to have this conversation if you and Nurse57 are just going to constantly insinuate I'm a racist. You said its down to opinions. What is down to opinions? I think its down to the potentially offensive nature of the word but you haven't mentioned anything about that.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Nurse57
"Another insinuation." Yes, an insinuation that the word would be 100% ok to use there. Not an insinuation that you are a NF/BNP member. If I wanted to know that I would ask you outright.

Nice hedging around the subject. I refuse to partake in a conversation with people that feel it's alright to suggest that someone is racist very lightly.

Same. I'm not going to try and defend myself to people are gonna refuse to take my point and just retaliate that I'm a racist and that I use racist slurs, even though I've told them that I'm not and I don't, and they don't know me or anything about me.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt? Not a good example. You dont go to a Chinese Restaurant for the people you go for the food.

I don't go to a pakistani shop for the people either? I go to get whatever I need. How is the chinese restaurant relevant then? Why did you bring it up?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Nurse57
"Another insinuation." Yes, an insinuation that the word would be 100% ok to use there. Not an insinuation that you are a NF/BNP member. If I wanted to know that I would ask you outright.

Nice hedging around the subject. I refuse to partake in a conversation with people that feel it's alright to suggest that someone is racist very lightly. Who said that? Not me for sure. If so point it out.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by _Audrey
Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt? Not a good example. You dont go to a Chinese Restaurant for the people you go for the food.

I don't go to a pakistani shop for the people either? I go to get whatever I need. How is the chinese restaurant relevant then? Why did you bring it up?

Because Nurse57 was talking about singling out someone's race and said I wouldn't do it with anything else.

Anyway, I'm done. I'm not going to continue being called a racist. It's very offensive and I think people should think twice before accusing someone of it.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Anyway, I'm done. I'm not going to continue being called a racist. It's very offensive and I think people should think twice before accusing someone of it. Who accused whom?

[Nurse57]

I go to the Chinese restaurant for Chinese food. Do you go to the **** shop for *****?


Tell you what.

I offer anyone who thinks pa** is an acceptable term the same offer I made to nodis. Come to Leicester. I will take you for a beer and invite you to do a blind test. Go up to random Asian people in the street and call them pa**. I will quite happily then drop you off at the hospital. I will also translate for you as the pa** doctor struggles to understand you through your smashed up face as you try to explain what happened and that it is just short for Pakistani.

[Shaun]

I'm missing something here - what on earth is a "****" shop?

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I go to the Chinese restaurant for Chinese food. Do you go to the pa** shop for *****?


Tell you what.

I offer anyone who thinks pa** is an acceptable term the same offer I made to nodis. Come to Leicester. I will take you for a beer and invite you to do a blind test. Go up to random Asian people in the street and call them pa**. I will quite happily then drop you off at the hospital. I will also translate for you as the pa** doctor struggles to understand you through your smashed up face as you try to explain what happened and that it is just short for Pakistani.

For starters, that doesn't make any sense. I go to the Chinese restaraunt for what they sell - which is Chinese food. I go to the Pakistani shop for what they sell - general newsagent things.

And secondly, I didn't say I went around calling random people "*****" so your point is completely invalid.

Oh, and Girth, Nurse57 called me a racist.

[Nurse57]

"I'm not going to continue being called a racist. It's very offensive and I think people should think twice before accusing someone of it."

And time to turn your argument around. You find being called racist offensive. others would not. So that makes it ok by your reckoning.

[Nurse57]

You brought the Chinese restaurant into it. I was pointing out it is called that due to the fact it describes the type of food they sell. Saying **** shop describes the person running it.

"and they don't know me or anything about me. "

I know you use the term ****.

"And secondly, I didn't say I went around calling random people "*****" "

And why don't you?

[Nurse57]

Lauren. How about this. Someone on this site is offended by someone using the term **** in a thread and they report it. As a mod it lands on your door mat to deal with. What do you do about it?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Lauren. How about this. Someone on this site is offended by someone using the term pa** in a thread and they report it. As a mod it lands on your door mat to deal with. What do you do about it? Nice scenario.:thumbs:

[Mark]

The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

:bored:

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Mark
The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

:bored:

Thank you!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Mark
The member which you have branded a racist has made it clear she used term as an abbreviation, with no racial intent.

Ganging up and blowing this whole thing out of proportion is exactly what both of you want, and will ultimatly lead to this thread being closed. If you are content on wanting to discuss it further, there are hundreds of other places it can be done.

This thread was started to see if people thought it was an offensive term. Some of you agree, some of you don't - but don't start picking on members trying to intimidate them because of something you've misinterpreted.

:bored: I have not accused any body of anything.

I dont uderstand why the forum owner is getting involved in this. Perhaps he can explain. A moderater has been posting in this thread so if there were any problems why did they not highlight them?

[Nurse57]

Mark, I find it offensive. If it is not then why does your site not let you post ****?

2 on 2 is not ganging up.

May I ask your view on the word as Mark, and not the views of Tibb?

[Mark]

It seems natural I get involved when I feel someone is getting ganged up on for no reason other than your own enjoyment.

Yep Lauren has posted in this thread, but both of us have kept it open and both of us have tried to get it to go back to its original topic, and away from the slanging match.

edited in for Nurse57: I didn't add the word into the swear filter, the software comes with a list of them built in.

Last post I make on the subject :cat:

[Nurse57]

So do you think **** is an acceptable term? Are the software writers wrong?

[Nurse57]

Oh, my nieces and nephews are half "****" Having seen them in tears for being called stinky ***** is not my idea of enjoyment. But if you think it is ok for that term to be used then what can I do.

[GiRTh]

The thread seemed on topic to me.

If someone says they are not offended by such a sensitive word then aren't others, who are offended by it, allowed to ask them why? If not then that doesn't sound like much of a discussion. Particularly as the moderator was initially making a bit of a joke of the subject.

Subjects like this and words like this are extemely sensitive and should not be treated as flippantly as several forums member seem to do. This thread was a frank discussion on the issue. No more that a disagreement took place which has now resulted in the forum owner getting involved. I still dont understand why the moderator in question did not take appropriate action at the appropriate time. Was it because she was too busy arguing with us?

I'm disappointed Mark has deemed fit to involve himself in such matters when I feel more serious offences and rule breaking incidents go relatively unpunished throughout the forum.

Final word. I'm extremely offended for the implication to be made that I question someone stance on sensitive subjects like this just to amuse myself. That comment in its self shows a lack of sensitivity.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Shaun
I'm missing something here - what on earth is a "****" shop?

A shop owned by people some call "****'s".

I don't think its necessarily offensive- its just a shortening of a word in the way Brit is. But using it with racial intent or to purposely offend someone then I think its unacceptable.

As I say its a word with a lot of grey areas, its not black and white like others (no joke intended) so I choose not to use it just in case it does offend someone.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
So do you think pa** is an acceptable term? Are the software writers wrong?
Whats your problem it's just an abbreveation along the lines of Aussie.Do you find Aussie ofensive?
I'm a Brit by the way.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Oh, my nieces and nephews are half "****" Having seen them in tears for being called stinky ***** is not my idea of enjoyment. But if you think it is ok for that term to be used then what can I do. There lies your answer,'stinky' IS ofensive,**** isn't.

[Shaun]

I think **** shop is a disgusting term.

If it's owned by a black person, does that mean we could call them ****** shops?

And spitfire - last time I checked, Aussie wasn't used by disgusting people like the BNP as a derogatory way of labelling a race.

[Nurse57]

Ok, I apologise for calling _Audrey a racist. I don't know you. You may or may not be. You do use racist language though. And in an open discussion about the word and subject I will put my view forward.

[Nurse57]

Spitfire. The two words together are racist. Or are you saying stinky **** is no more offensive than stinky?

[Chemicle]

ok i've read through most of this topic, i see that most people are going on about the way "packy" is used offensive and racist, but what about these so called "packies" being racist back. Of course no one mensions that, most authority figures ignore the fact that these "packys" are being racist in the first place, i am getting sick of being dragged into my head of years office for fighting back when they are being racist to me, none of that is seen because this is branded a "white" country, when in fact there is people living in this country, who aren't "white" offending us. I am putting my point across that there is two sides to a fight, and that if your gonna start on about the word "packy" then maybe you should think about what they say too. :mad:

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Or are you saying stinky pa** is no more offensive than stinky?
Correct.If i were called 'Stinky' or 'Stinky Brit' i'd be offened.Neither would be more offensive.

[Nurse57]

And it is disgusting if that is happening to you. Racism goes both ways, and is wrong both ways. In what way have you being racially abused?

[Nurse57]

"Correct.If i were called 'Stinky' or 'Stinky Brit' i'd be offened.Neither would be more offensive. "

That is because Brit has never been used as an insult. **** has over the years.

[Rocko]

Like most words, to take offense on it would depend on the context.

I prefer not using the term "p.a.k.i" at all as I grew up where idiots were using it as a derogatory term.

[Chemicle]

It has happened quite a few times, with very immature remarks e.g milkybar kid, and things of that nature, i tend to just brush it off as i am not offended by it and i just laugh at him, but the moment i retaliate i am the one who gets the blame for it. However, the teachers and heads just forget about it or laugh it off, and they stay on his side, even though i'm not racist to him. He has once or twice told the head that i have been racist to him, when i haven't. It is completely wrong.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Correct.If i were called 'Stinky' or 'Stinky Brit' i'd be offened.Neither would be more offensive. "

That is because Brit has never been used as an insult. pa** has over the years.
No,it's because neither would be more offensive.

[Nurse57]

Come on.

[Hugo]

I use it I don't really see a problem with it as long as your not trying to offend anyone. I have a few Indian friends who obviously aren't ***** but if we're having a laugh or something, I could say something like 'You stupid ****!' and they would find it funny.

[Bells]

Originally posted by tooperfect
I use it I don't really see a problem with it as long as your not trying to offend anyone. I have a few Indian friends who obviously aren't ***** but if we're having a laugh or something, I could say something like 'You stupid pa**!' and they would find it funny.

This is why context is so important. Between friends, you can make a judgement. If a stranger says it to someone, and that too in a derogatory manner, their intentions are unknown. Therefore, the word is automatically perceived as a racist insult used by an ignorant person.

I have to admit though - I don't really know the facts. I don't understand why the word itself is considered racist, since it's just a shortening of the country. I think it's purely the intentions behind the word, and the manner in which it is used that are seen as intolerant.

[Nurse57]

When the first Pakistani immigrants came here the term **** was used as a derogatory term for them. Shop signs saying "no *****" people telling the "*****" to go home. **** bashing and so on.

The term **** is racist.

[Tom]

Sorry but I just find it funny that you're on about discrimination [of races] when you have a Nazi logo in your avatar.

[Shaun]

I have a friend who's Asian (from Sri Lanka originally but was brought up in the UK (adopted)) and he's also gay and very camp. The only jokes I've ever made with him about his ethnicity is when other friends of mine have said they're going for a spray-tan, and we joke that (his name is Dan btw) should get one as he's looking pasty.

I wouldn't dare call him a "p***" or a "********* muslim" or something like that - not only because they'd both be wrong terms, but because they're hideous.

There was however an incident about 6 months ago where a friend of a friend called him something like a "**** ****" (whether or not it was meant in a jokey manner I do not know) which just appalled me. I now hate this person.

[Nurse57]

It is from a site I no longer have taking the piss out of Nazis, racists and the like.

Take their hero and make him ****ing ridiculous. That is the point of the pic. Used to get regular hate posts from nazi sympathisers.
The fact that you are the first person to pull me up on this since I have been using it either speaks volumes or everyone got it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
It is from a site I no longer have taking the p**s out of Nazis, racists and the like.

Take their hero and make him ****ing ridiculous. That is the point of the pic. Used to get regular hate posts from nazi sympathisers.

But not everyone will read it like that and some will take offence ...

I had no idea, but in the context I now think its quite inoffensive. Pattern emerging here? :thumbs:

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
It is from a site I no longer have taking the p**s out of Nazis, racists and the like.

Take their hero and make him ****ing ridiculous. That is the point of the pic. Used to get regular hate posts from nazi sympathisers.

Yes.. but "some people might find it offensive, so why display it at all"? :thumbs:

And doesn't deliberately trying to antagonise people and get hate mail just make you as bad as them?

Damn - I was avoiding posting in this thread for so long but I couldn't resist.

[Nurse57]

Sorry, I edited after you had posted.

"But not everyone will read it like that ..."

True, but as I was saying, you are the first person to pull me up on it. I would rather people say something than think "that is wrong" and say nothing.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Originally posted by Nurse57
"and treating them differently." You mean like singling the race of the shop owner out for no reason when you don't do it with any other race?

Singling out their race? Like going to the Chinese restaraunt?

It's called a Chinese restaurant, because they serve Chinese food. I wouldn't personally say "I'm going to the Chinky," because that could be offensive to people, and I'm not in the habit of deliberately offending people. However, saying "I'm going to the Chinese restaurant" is not offensive in any way. Like GiRTh was saying - I wouldn't use '****', I would use 'Pakistani'. I wouldn't use 'Chinky', I would use 'Chinese'. Do you see the difference?

[Shaun]

Tom - I think it would take someone severely retarded to see past the Sooty face and take Nurse57's avatar as glorification of the Nazi party.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by tooperfect
I use it I don't really see a problem with it as long as your not trying to offend anyone. I have a few Indian friends who obviously aren't ***** but if we're having a laugh or something, I could say something like 'You stupid pa**!' and they would find it funny.

Wow - with friends like you, who needs enemies?

[Tom]

I won't pull you up on it and I won't condemn it either. If people have their controversial views whether offensive to other people or otherwise, then they're entitled to those views even if I strongly disagree. I was just using your picture to illustrate the point of you having strong views despite the picture, slight double standards. But now I know what the picture is about, in context its not that offensive and it could be somehow twisted onto the word '****'.

Just to reiterate my point on it from earlier on, I think as an abbreviation for someone who is genuinely from Pakistan its fine because its just like saying Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, Turk etc but when using it to group people [unrelated to Pakistan] or to cause offense then its wrong.

[Nurse57]

"Yes.. but "some people might find it offensive, so why display it at all"? :thumbs:" Good point. Do you genuinely find it offensive? If so I will say sorry and remove it. Will you stop saying **** shop?

"And doesn't deliberately trying to antagonise people and get hate mail just make you as bad as them?" If they are Nazis? No. **** um.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by Tom

Just to reiterate my point on it from earlier on, I think as an abbreviation for someone who is genuinely from Pakistan its fine because its just like saying Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, Turk etc but when using it to group people [unrelated to Pakistan] or to cause offense then its wrong.

Another point I've learnt over time is that people appreciate it when others aknowledge their ethnicity correctly.

Just like when my Scottish and Welsh mates get miffed when called English on holiday, as does my Vietnamese/Malaysian/Thai/Filipino friends when called Chinese.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Yes.. but "some people might find it offensive, so why display it at all"? :thumbs:" Good point. Do you genuinely find it offensive? If so I will say sorry and remove it. Will you stop saying pa** shop?

"And doesn't deliberately trying to antagonise people and get hate mail just make you as bad as them?" If they are Nazis? No. **** um.

Like Tom says, I was just indicating that you have double standards saying I could cause offence saying "**** shop" when you could cause offence with a Nazi symbol - taking the piss or not. I won't stop saying it, nor will I ask you to remove that because again, like Tom says, everyone is entitled to their views no matter how controversial. I've said before that it's a matter of opinion and no matter how much of a minority may think something that everyone else finds offensive, they're entitled to their opinion. It doesn't make them right, it doesn't make them wrong - it is what it is, an opinion.

[Nurse57]

"Tom - I think it would take someone severely retarded to see past the Sooty face and take Nurse57's avatar as glorification of the Nazi party."

He had a valid question. When we had the site we would have some Jewish people ask what the **** we were doing. Once we had laid out what we were on about, 100% got it. Some were uncomfortable with the some imagery used but apart from that liked it and wanted positions in the Furred Reich.

[Nurse57]

"when you could cause offence with a Nazi symbol - taking the p**s or not."

That is the point. The Nazi swastika is offensive. That is why I was taking the piss out of it.

[Nurse57]

_Audrey. What was wrong with my post in the "what have you eaten" thread?

I have listened to what you have said and apparently I have said nothing wrong.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
_Audrey. What was wrong with my post in the "what have you eaten" thread?
apparently I have said nothing wrong.
In my opinion,you haven't.

[Sam!]

Nah, **** is just an abbreviation of Pakistani. Obviously if its meant in a vulgar or offensive manner then of course its bad. And its not just chavs who use it anyway.

[Nurse57]

You didn't call me for saying it.

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
_Audrey. What was wrong with my post in the "what have you eaten" thread?

I have listened to what you have said and apparently I have said nothing wrong.

You only said it to antagonise people though. This is why Mark got involved, because you are trying to wind folk up for your own personal enjoyment, rather than just trying to have a debate.

[Nurse57]

"enjoyment" There we go again. I find nothing remotely fun about racism. If **** is not a racist word then why would it antagonize people?

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57 I find nothing remotely fun about racism.

So why have a racist,fun picture as your av?:puzzled:

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"enjoyment" There we go again. I find nothing remotely fun about racism. If pa** is not a racist word then why would it antagonize people?

We're not saying you enjoy racism, we're saying you're enjoying winding folk up. Anyway I'm not having this argument anymore - mainly because everytime I make a valid point you just ignore it!

[Nurse57]

Did you not read the previous explanation?

[Nurse57]

"mainly because everytime I make a valid point you just ignore it!"

Sorry if I have missed something. Please list what i have "ignored" and I will endeavour to answer, if I can.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
You didn't call me for saying it.
Neither would i.I take things at face value,i.e **** being an
abbreviation,your av pokeing fun out of Nazis etc
Despite the Swastika being the most vulgar icon ever,i take your av as you mean it.
Stop going out your way to be offended.:thumbs:

[Nurse57]

Despite the Swastika being the most vulgar icon ever.

Or also a Hindu peace symbol.

[Nurse57]

Right, have to go.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Or also a Hindu peace symbol.
not on a red and white background and being held aloft by a 'brown' shirt!

[AngRemembered]

I don't personally find the term **** racist, despite the fact that it has been hijacked by racists using it in a discriminating wake like "****'s go home" "no ****'s wanted" ect, its the go home and not wanted that are deemed racist, as it would be if the term **** was substituted for white.

White is not a racist word nor Brit, Yank, Rasta, or Nazi for that matter so why should **** suddenly become so unpopular, what if racists were to hijack the term chocolate to describe blacks, will we all suddenly feel the need to become embarrassed by asking for brown candy bars?

There really is some OTT reactions to race Jade mimicking an asian accent and the girl removed for merely saying the word "******" in a conversation with a black person presant... don't you think it was up to her to complain at least?
Personally I don't think Jade was racist, no more than the charectors of at home with the Kumars were in thier scetches mimicking english accents, getting drunk then going out for an english, a scetch that had me in stiches with laughter and those of my friends white, black and asian.

I wish racist attitudes and remarks were left for when they truly are insulting and discriminating and not dragged up trivially like Darnell's comment in this current series, and the accusation of the sooty nazi.

These and the ones above make the subject of racism far to triviual and touchy and only helps the white view of"only we can be racist it don't apply to anyone else" and the black expressed by thug Naomi Campbell "that its because I'm black" attitudes of real subconscious racism and yet they go hardly noticed by anyone.


PS, I just noticed the term PAK1 is editted:rolleyes: dear lord perhaps one day chocolate will be too, the world truly has gone mad.:joker:

[thisisme2008]

Originally posted by Shaun
I'm missing something here - what on earth is a "****" shop?

it's a stupid term for a shop run by Indians or Pakistanis where you can basically buy anything like cigarettes and alcohol without I.D

[thisisme2008]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Right, have to go.

I find your tone patronising,

your avatar offensive,

and your opinions offensive.

[Nurse57]

"I find your tone patronising,"

Not a lot I can do about that. You take me as you find me.

"your avatar offensive," I have explained that it was from a site taking the piss out off Nazis. But if you truly find it offensive (and not because you are a Nazi) then I will remove it.

"and your opinions offensive."

If you find my anti racism view point offensive then you are the one with the problem.

[Rock-x-Amie]

I think it depends on what contexts its said in,
however is can be very offensive to people, and i think it isa really vile word when used personally towards someone

[LovelyL]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Not really.
I honestly dont find it a big deal, not when its not used offensively

People call British people 'brits'
So why cant people call Pakistani's '*****'

Saying it doesnt make someone racist imo.




I dont use the term because is it is deemed offesnsive but I think that it is a great point. It is actually only shortening the word Pakistanis as we do with British people by saying Brits (which is the same thing but acceptable!!)
I remember a boy at junior school who told the teacher he was more offended being called an Asian because its quite ignorant ie Asian is so broad a term

[Fom]

The most racist bit about that word is that someone calls anyone asian the word. They dont check if they are from pakistan... its a racial word against asians rather than a slang word for pakistani's. The amount of indians that get called it is ridiculous.

Therefore it is a racial attack. People dont call the british americans... just because we look the same, so stop classing anyone asian as that name.

[Slezer]

lol this is so retarded

The NF used it as a term to label everybody of asian or middle eastern origin. The people that get called this are rarely EVER from Pakistan.

And the fact you dont find it offensive doesnt mean others dont. Seriously what the hell is wrong with people?

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Slezer Seriously what the hell is wrong with people?

I know,imagine someone finding an abbreviation offensive.:rolleyes:

[Nurse57]

I see you were offended by a word over in the Luke thread. Fancy getting offended by a word.

[AngRemembered]

The Nazii sootty bear I find funny, I think it takes the p out of the facist party at the time, rather like daffy duck in a roman toga, they were the large facist movement of thier time.

[andyman]

Many people still say it when saying "go to the packy shop".. Kids pick that up from their parents and gets used in the playground, streets etc..