Homophobia.

[Loukas]

I'm Bi right, and everyday i hear the word "Gay" as a "Cuss" a way of offending people, sometimes me. I understand that some people can't except gay people because of there religion but they don't have to be so rude about it.

This one religious girl at school, the quite girl, thought she was really nice, was talking to her today in science. We were talking about an open lesbian in our year. She said " OMG! Lesbian's and Gays should be shot, sorry yeah, actually, im not." It was really rude and uncalled for. This other boy started humping me, really humping me, enjoying it, and then i said "Stop man I'm trying to do work!" He continued to hump. Then i said " Stop! I'm busy! Do it later." In a very sarcastic way! He stopped and was like "Everyone hear that Loukas is gay!!!"

What's the point, people cannot help how they are, they cannot choose there sexuality. I like being BI, I like having girls best friends, to help them with there boyfriend problems and stuff. But i can't be who i am at school.

I can't express who i am. I have to be a completely different person, locked in as a straight boy. I guess that's life sometimes..

What do you think of homophobic people?
What do you think of the word "Gay" as an insult?

[Conzors]

Awww *HUG*

:).

[AlexBigBrother]

im probably a bit homophobic, but ive not met any gay people before,

but seriously im not sure how i would feel

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Conzors
Awww *HUG*

:).

:). *Hug*

[Hugo]

Life can be a bitch.

[xDramatick]

I'm gay :]
LONDON GAY PRIDE 2008 SATURDAY<3
-had to say it-

Uhm.
I don't mind people using gay as long as it's not meant in an offensive context.
However, in my opinion, there's no justification for the word 'fag' [unless referring to a cigarette]
&That is one word I find extremely offensive [considering I'm someone that isn't easy to offend]

I also believe that words such as '****' and other variations are totally unacceptable as it makes a mockery of the sexuality, and personally, I find that quite offensive too
I can take it as a joke but only in very few cases when it's meant as a joke, and delivered that way; However I don't believe it should be used to refer to gay people.

I used to get homophobic abuse at school and I wasn't even out.
All my mates know and there's no issues with it.

[Rex=Legend]

'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ****s who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

[Shaun]

Children are immature and I wouldn't expect the playground to be gay-friendly any time soon.

I sometimes use "gay" as an insult - but I have a few gay/bi friends who get annoyed by it so I try not to use it.

[Rex=Legend]

I personaly think though , as long as your in the right circles , 2008 is a great time to be gay if you ignore all the fundamental religious bollocks. Being gay is even 'in' [annoyingly so] in many pop culture outlets. Its almost seen as being a cool thing to be.

Im always told im incredibly straight for a gay person , however. I dont take kindly to gay people who think they are special because they are gay. I know mates who , once turned gay , ditched their life long male friends to go and hang out with the lasses and be a girl. The 'look at me im sooo ****ing campxXx!!!~~' crowd annoy me to death.

Not cool.

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

I understand what your saying but when they call me Gay they mean Homo, Like they see it as a disease or something. They call me other names, fag and sugar puff, just to name a couple. I agree with everything else tho.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by tooperfect I want to go over and say something but I can't because there would be all this 'He's a GAY lover ect' so its not worth. Life is just a bitch sometimes.
So you wont go over and be friendly to the guy,as you're scared of what others may say to you?
I suggest you change your user name!
Stand up to bullies!They soon stop.

[AlexBigBrother]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

im not offensive i just dont know gay people so i dont know how comfortable i would be around them, where im from there is quite a bit of prejudice, but i dont get involved in that!
is queen offensive?

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

I understand what your saying but when they call me Gay they mean Homo, Like they see it as a disease or something. They call me other names, fag and sugar puff, just to name a couple. I agree with everything else tho.

Sugar Puff is laughable.
That's.. pathetic.

If you see in my previous post, I've stated that ****+the variations are offensive, IMO.
&Fag is just unacceptable.

Talk to a teacher about it?
I'm sure you can do something about it as it'd be homophobia?
I was using a teacher's laptop at school and they can get reported for it and stuff o__O
It's like. on the personal records along with racism etc.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
is queen offensive?

I personally don't mind Queen being used unless it's aimed at me.
I don't like it [unless used in a jokey context] because it makes me feel singled out but I don't think it's offensive.

&I agree with Spitfire.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

I understand what your saying but when they call me Gay they mean Homo, Like they see it as a disease or something. They call me other names, fag and sugar puff, just to name a couple. I agree with everything else tho.
I understand what you are saying. If they are insulting your sexuality , that aint cool , man. The point I was making was that its sort of automatic to use 'gay' as a slang term for stuff we dont like now , and I dont particularly find that offensive as people dont mean to be homophobic when they say 'this is gay'.

Almost all the swear words we use come form something sexual anyway , if you stop to think about it :joker:.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by DoubleTroublewhen they call me Gay they mean Homo, Like they see it as a disease or something. They call me other names, fag and sugar puff, just to name a couple. I agree with everything else tho. I think it's pretty much the same as words in other debates on here,**** and ******.It depends on how it's said,in what context.
A lot of Gays use the words themselves.I always remember a 'Gay pride event'that i once saw in London and the slogan that was being shouted was 'we're here,we're queer'.

[Bells]

I'm sorry you're made to feel that way. Life can be really cruel sometimes. You seem to be coping very well so far, though. Regarding your questions, I think homophobes are generally either very religious, or ignorant because they have led sheltered lives. People should be left free to make their own choices and decisions, and yet we seem to be restrained by certain 'ideal' ways of living our lives. And most of the time, they're not any better.

Also, in the case of religious people - despite the fact that they may not agree with the concept, or that they wouldn't become gay/bisexual themselves, surely they should be tolerant of other people and let other people choose their own paths. It makes no sense for people to shut out others because of their sexuality. Like any form of discrimination, it's wrong - but unfortunately it exists in the world and you have to cope with it as best as you can, whether it be through confronting others or just ignoring them. As for the word 'gay' as an insult, I have used it in the past but realise that it can be considered offensive. Words generally tend to be thrown about really loosely amongst young people today.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

Im not offensive i just dont know gay people so i dont know how comfortable i would be around them, where Im from there is quite a bit of prejudice, but i dont get involved in that!
is queen offensive?

In my circle , not at all , in fact , queen is hillarious. Its just used when a gay person does something particulary gay or self parodying.

[AlexBigBrother]

im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

[MrGaryy]

It's the homophobes that should be shot!

I hate the term gay as an adjective like, "ugh, those shoes are gay". I decked a guy before when I heard him say thats our maths book was gay. (I was having a bad day).

There are plenty of other words you can use. Sh*t, rubbish, vile, repulsive, horrific, mingin, disgusting, rank, rancid. Using the word gay only show that you have an extremly limited vocabulary.

[Rocko]

Like several other threads, it's about context.

I have a couple of gay friends who often use gay in a negative context,

e.g. "My effin gay computer just crashed again".
"Damn stupid gay coursework! Gay, gay, gay, how gay is that lecturer, giving us 2 days to finish it"
"Dude, don' be gay mun"

vs

"Oh, he's nasty because he's gay"

My opinion on homophobic people is that they just have certain sets of beliefs in which gays/lesbians don't fit in to their ideals of 'normal'. It's unfortunate, but life's a bitch.

On the upside, the world is a big place and there are plenty of people that will accept you for who you are.

[AlexBigBrother]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?
answers?

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
'Gay' as a slang term for something **** does not indicate homophobia , Im gay and I use 'gay' myself as in 'that gay ****ing toaster'.

Homophobic people are twats though. Utter twats. Who gives a **** who ***** who as long as we aint harming anybody else? Then they say in this chav way ''Coz it aint natural innit''... ''well how is it not natural?'' ... ''coz you gotta get a girl pregnant at age of 15 like me innit , dats natural'' ... ''right mate''.

Seriously , theirs no excuse for homophobia.

I understand what your saying but when they call me Gay they mean Homo, Like they see it as a disease or something. They call me other names, fag and sugar puff, just to name a couple. I agree with everything else tho.

Sugar Puff is laughable.
That's.. pathetic.

If you see in my previous post, I've stated that ****+the variations are offensive, IMO.
&Fag is just unacceptable.

Talk to a teacher about it?
I'm sure you can do something about it as it'd be homophobia?
I was using a teacher's laptop at school and they can get reported for it and stuff o__O
It's like. on the personal records along with racism etc.

My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

[Tom]

Controversial opinion here but I support homophobia in a way. Some people find it to be immoral because of the religion and the bible, and some religious people can't change their views. I'm semi religious and believe in certain things, but some people are sort of contradictory (myself included) who say that its immoral to be gay, yet they're the ones having sex before marriage and arguing with people etc. But the most hated family in America just take it to extremes. Theres beliefs (and whether agreed with by the majority or not people are entitled to them) but then theres just sickening and an embarrassment to an entire religion.

However, I can see both sides and I don't see the point in it. It doesn't affect me in any way so who am I to judge who other people want to jump into bed with? Men can sleep with other men, and I won't be sleeping with other men but still why do I have the right to condemn someone else for it, because its clearly not going to affect me?

Anyway my opinions split on it, do I go from the Christian point of view but then contradict myself for other aspects of my own life or do I view it from the "I couldn't give two sh*ts what other people get up to" perspective yet go against God? Its OK for complete atheists to say "God isn't real, follow your heart" etc but its just not that simple when you're in a religious frame of mind.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

I believe I'm born gay.
I realized it properly at 12, but looking back, I was probably as young as 4/5.

There.. isn't really much to not understand.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

It's not very difficult to understand, lol. But just to help:

I began to realise when I was twelve. I had been called gay by the majority of my classmates by that time anyway. The reasons for this were 1. I didn't play soccer (Vile sport, I'd sooner kill myself) and 2.The majority of my friends were girls.

Also because I was about ten times more intelligent then them. (I'm not being snooty, we took an IQ test).

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

I believe I'm born gay.
I realized it properly at 12, but looking back, I was probably as young as 4/5.

There.. isn't really much to not understand.

I'm not entirely convinced about the nature argument. I did sexuality to death in psychology and there was some very overwhelming evidence in favour that suggests its nurture (upbringing) not nature.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Gazbo
It's the homophobes that should be shot!

I hate the term gay as an adjective like, "ugh, those shoes are gay". I decked a guy before when I heard him say thats our maths book was gay. (I was having a bad day).

There are plenty of other words you can use. Sh*t, rubbish, vile, repulsive, horrific, mingin, disgusting, rank, rancid. Using the word gay only show that you have an extremly limited vocabulary.
Some would say cursing itself demonstrates a limited vocabulary , so I dont think you have a point :thumbs:.

'Gay' as a descriptive word for inanimate objects is just a meme that has set itself in the minds of the people so that they automaticaly believe in it without questioning it [See : Religion].

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?
Who knows. Some people are born gay. Some people become gay. Get a straight person in a room a la Clockwork Orange and expose them to men and who knows , maybe they could turn gay.

Its pointless trying to figure out how the mind works. :thumbs:

[AlexBigBrother]

i get on better with girls than boys, that doesnt mean im gay!?!?

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

I believe I'm born gay.
I realized it properly at 12, but looking back, I was probably as young as 4/5.

There.. isn't really much to not understand.

I'm not entirely convinced about the nature argument. I did sexuality to death in psychology and there was some very overwhelming evidence in favour that suggests its nurture (upbringing) not nature.

I agree that environment plays an important role in sexuality.

John Barrowman's[<3] doing a documentary on whether you're born gay or not, which should make interesting viewing.

[Conzors]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

WOAH OMG.
Sorry TOTALLY OF SUBJECT - BUT DID THE LESBIANS GET IT ON?.

And DAREN OMG, GAY TEACHERS - GANG BANG?

Sorry, back on subject.

I dont get it as much as i used to.
And im not out.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Originally posted by Gazbo
It's the homophobes that should be shot!

I hate the term gay as an adjective like, "ugh, those shoes are gay". I decked a guy before when I heard him say thats our maths book was gay. (I was having a bad day).

There are plenty of other words you can use. Sh*t, rubbish, vile, repulsive, horrific, mingin, disgusting, rank, rancid. Using the word gay only show that you have an extremly limited vocabulary.
Some would say cursing itself demonstrates a limited vocabulary , so I dont think you have a point :thumbs:.

'Gay' as a descriptive word for inanimate objects is just a meme that has set itself in the minds of the people so that they automaticaly believe in it without questioning it [See : Religion].

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?
Who knows. Some people are born gay. Some people become gay. Get a straight person in a room a la Clockwork Orange and expose them to men and who knows , maybe they could turn gay.

Its pointless trying to figure out how the mind works. :thumbs:

Bear in mind I was listing words that someone who is likely is resort to using gay would perhaps be more open to.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
i get on better with girls than boys, that doesnt mean Im gay!?!?

Nobody said it did.
It's just often presumed that guys that have a lot of female friends are gay.
Obviously that's one of many stereotypical characteristics.

My boyfriend's VERY straight acting.
If you met him, you'd think he's straight.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Tom
Controversial opinion here but I support homophobia in a way. Some people find it to be immoral because of the religion and the bible, and some religious people can't change their views. I'm semi religious and believe in certain things, but some people are sort of contradictory (myself included) who say that its immoral to be gay, yet they're the ones having sex before marriage and arguing with people etc. But the most hated family in America just take it to extremes. Theres beliefs (and whether agreed with by the majority or not people are entitled to them) but then theres just sickening and an embarrassment to an entire religion.

However, I can see both sides and I don't see the point in it. It doesn't affect me in any way so who am I to judge who other people want to jump into bed with? Men can sleep with other men, and I won't be sleeping with other men but still why do I have the right to condemn someone else for it, because its clearly not going to affect me?

Anyway my opinions split on it, do I go from the Christian point of view but then contradict myself for other aspects of my own life or do I view it from the "I couldn't give two sh*ts what other people get up to" perspective yet go against God? Its OK for complete atheists to say "God isn't real, follow your heart" etc but its just not that simple when you're in a religious frame of mind.

Religion complicates itself. Your bound to contradict yourself and end up as a sinner even for being homophobic , the way everything in religion overlaps itself.

Why bother with teachings? Jesus was a man who absoloutely existed , and its safe to say he was down with ALL the peeps in the hood. In fact , he was hundreds of years ahead of his time with all the turn the other cheek stuff. Just keep it simple.

Screw the old testament. If your going to be homophobic due in part to Christianity , your going to have to be mysoginist and racist too [its all in 'the good book'].

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Conzors
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

WOAH OMG.
Sorry TOTALLY OF SUBJECT - BUT DID THE LESBIANS GET IT ON?.

And DAREN OMG, GAY TEACHERS - GANG BANG?

Just because there's multiple gay people in one environment, it doesn't mean they're gonna get it on ;D

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

I believe I'm born gay.
I realized it properly at 12, but looking back, I was probably as young as 4/5.

There.. isn't really much to not understand.

I'm not entirely convinced about the nature argument. I did sexuality to death in psychology and there was some very overwhelming evidence in favour that suggests its nurture (upbringing) not nature.

Either way, there's no conscious choice or decision to "be gay".

[MrGaryy]

I think it's not a case that I get on with girls it's more that I don't get on with boys.

From experience, boys immediatly hate me. I don't know why but they do. That's fine, I've come to terms with that.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Conzors
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

WOAH OMG.
Sorry TOTALLY OF SUBJECT - BUT DID THE LESBIANS GET IT ON?.

And DAREN OMG, GAY TEACHERS - GANG BANG?

Just because there's multiple gay people in one environment, it doesn't mean they're going to get it on ;D
Oh come on , you know we are wilder than most. :joker:


Come to think of it , I have straight friends who love to go to the gay clubs with me , simply cause the party is better [and the free amyl nitrate helps I suppose].

[AlexBigBrother]

see this is my religious argument

i consider myself a christian and in the old testament it talks about the importance of procreation, yet throughout the bible the message is clear about loving everyone around you and treating everyone as equals, thats why i dont fell offended by homosexuality, even if i dont quite get it

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

We also have 3 BI teachers and 1 Gay teacher. I love school tho, i'm quite known, girls tell me i get picked on because i get hugs and kisses from them and the boys get jellous. On the plus side if people calls me gay, the girls will kill them! :). Thanks everyone for there replys.

What really p***** me off is boys come up to me and go "Loukas, how you get all the girls man?!" If you show them some b***** respect they might give some back!! FFS boys can be so dumb. XD

[Tom]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Originally posted by Tom
Controversial opinion here but I support homophobia in a way. Some people find it to be immoral because of the religion and the bible, and some religious people can't change their views. I'm semi religious and believe in certain things, but some people are sort of contradictory (myself included) who say that its immoral to be gay, yet they're the ones having sex before marriage and arguing with people etc. But the most hated family in America just take it to extremes. Theres beliefs (and whether agreed with by the majority or not people are entitled to them) but then theres just sickening and an embarrassment to an entire religion.

However, I can see both sides and I don't see the point in it. It doesn't affect me in any way so who am I to judge who other people want to jump into bed with? Men can sleep with other men, and I won't be sleeping with other men but still why do I have the right to condemn someone else for it, because its clearly not going to affect me?

Anyway my opinions split on it, do I go from the Christian point of view but then contradict myself for other aspects of my own life or do I view it from the "I couldn't give two sh*ts what other people get up to" perspective yet go against God? Its OK for complete atheists to say "God isn't real, follow your heart" etc but its just not that simple when you're in a religious frame of mind.

Religion complicates itself. Your bound to contradict yourself and end up as a sinner even for being homophobic , the way everything in religion overlaps itself.

Why bother with teachings? Jesus was a man who absoloutely existed , and its safe to say he was down with ALL the peeps in the hood. In fact , he was hundreds of years ahead of his time with all the turn the other cheek stuff.

Screw the old testament. If your going to be homophobic due in part to Christianity , your going to have to be mysoginist and racist too [its all in 'the good book'].

Thats exactly why I'm split. Its full of contradictions and the way in which the 21st century life is lead leads to more contradiction and double standards, and the mentality that its fine to follow one rule but not another. Those who are homophobic and put it down to religion should read through the entire Bible and ensure they're following every rule and have never sinned before condemning other people.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
the importance of procreation,
And yet Catholic priests cant have sex :rolleyes:.

See how religion just pointlessly contradicts itself over and over?

Just keep it simple. Love everyone. Peace. If theirs a god , thats what he wants. Thats my religion , summed up in a few short words , and its the best damn religion their is :thumbs:.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Conzors
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
My teacher is gay. She's openly lesbian and i she knows Im BI. I tell her, she has huge Assembly's about . It does nothing. It goes on there record and stuff but yeah they just conitinue. I ignore them. I will continue too. What's a guy to do. Our head is a Lesbian to.

Good on you too.
Keep your head high and thing's will get better.
It is hard in school, but it does get easier.

Wow @ lesbian teachers.
We had three openly gay ones.

WOAH OMG.
Sorry TOTALLY OF SUBJECT - BUT DID THE LESBIANS GET IT ON?.

And DAREN OMG, GAY TEACHERS - GANG BANG?

Just because there's multiple gay people in one environment, it doesn't mean they're going to get it on ;D
Oh come on , you know we are wilder than most. :joker:


Come to think of it , I have straight friends who love to go to the gay clubs with me , simply cause the party is better [and the free amyl nitrate helps I suppose].

LMFAO.
yeah, I've got straight friends whom I've kissed and stuff.
Hell, I've got three coming Pride with me Saturday.
&they're dressing up.

On the other hand; I couldn't deal with being in a relationship with a confused male.
I've been there, done that.
&It sounds cruel but as much as I tried to help him out, I regret it.
He led me on and my emotions were taken on a complete rollercoaster.
So I tend to stay away from confused/indenial people.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Originally posted by Tom
Controversial opinion here but I support homophobia in a way. Some people find it to be immoral because of the religion and the bible, and some religious people can't change their views. I'm semi religious and believe in certain things, but some people are sort of contradictory (myself included) who say that its immoral to be gay, yet they're the ones having sex before marriage and arguing with people etc. But the most hated family in America just take it to extremes. Theres beliefs (and whether agreed with by the majority or not people are entitled to them) but then theres just sickening and an embarrassment to an entire religion.

However, I can see both sides and I don't see the point in it. It doesn't affect me in any way so who am I to judge who other people want to jump into bed with? Men can sleep with other men, and I won't be sleeping with other men but still why do I have the right to condemn someone else for it, because its clearly not going to affect me?

Anyway my opinions split on it, do I go from the Christian point of view but then contradict myself for other aspects of my own life or do I view it from the "I couldn't give two sh*ts what other people get up to" perspective yet go against God? Its OK for complete atheists to say "God isn't real, follow your heart" etc but its just not that simple when you're in a religious frame of mind.

Religion complicates itself. Your bound to contradict yourself and end up as a sinner even for being homophobic , the way everything in religion overlaps itself.

Why bother with teachings? Jesus was a man who absoloutely existed , and its safe to say he was down with ALL the peeps in the hood. In fact , he was hundreds of years ahead of his time with all the turn the other cheek stuff.

Screw the old testament. If your going to be homophobic due in part to Christianity , your going to have to be mysoginist and racist too [its all in 'the good book'].

Thats exactly why I'm split. Its full of contradictions and the way in which the 21st century life is lead leads to more contradiction and double standards, and the mentality that its fine to follow one rule but not another. Those who are homophobic and put it down to religion should read through the entire Bible and ensure they're following every rule and have never sinned before condemning other people.
You can just never win with Religion :joker: . Read my last post I made immediatly beneath yours.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
i get on better with girls than boys, that doesnt mean Im gay!?!?

No.

Wanting to sleep with guys instead of girls does.

But again with the labels...:spin2:

[Tom]

Oh but one thing that really annoys me. Imagine the setting in the changing rooms after PE.

Narrow minded person: "Eww, I'm not getting undressed in front of him, he might want to bum me. Watch your backs everyone".

I just feel like saying well youre full of yourself aren't you? Not all straight lads want to jump into bed with every girl they see so either I'm missing something or I'm right in saying gay people are exactly the same, and the generalisation that all gay men fancy all other men is just silly and quite frankly bizarre.

[LemonJam]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Im really confused with homosexuality, ive never understood it!
what age are u wen u realise you dont find women attractive?? surely just in your brain it is set to find the opposite sex attractive?

I believe I'm born gay.
I realized it properly at 12, but looking back, I was probably as young as 4/5.

There.. isn't really much to not understand.

I'm not entirely convinced about the nature argument. I did sexuality to death in psychology and there was some very overwhelming evidence in favour that suggests its nurture (upbringing) not nature.

I think its nurture, I have a bad relationship with my father and a great one with my mother who's interests include fashion. My sister forced me to play with dolls with her as well (More feminine things) However, I had alot of male friends and had an interest in go-karting and video games (more masculine things) and I turned out bi. So from personal experiance, I think its nurture definatley. :bigsmile:

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Tom
Oh but one thing that really annoys me. Imagine the setting in the changing rooms after PE.

Narrow minded person: "Eww, I'm not getting undressed in front of him, he might want to bum me. Watch your backs everyone".

I just feel like saying well youre full of yourself aren't you? Not all straight lads want to jump into bed with every girl they see so either I'm missing something or I'm right in saying gay people are exactly the same, and the generalisation that all gay men fancy all other men is just silly and quite frankly bizarre.

I HATE that generalization.

Trust me, I've heard that from some seriously unattractive guys.
&It's like please. don't flatter yourself. I have standards.

On a more serious note; It is stupid.

[Rex=Legend]

Since everyone else is giving their story , I might as well give mine.

...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].























...err yeah , thats about it. Ive been gay since then. Go figure :joker:.

[AlexBigBrother]

do u really have to be exposed to homosexuality to turn gay?
coz like ive never really thought about it, i mean ive been gettin with girls for a fair few years now (im 16) and the thought of gayness has never crossed my mind, if you have gay friends aree u more like to be gay?

[MrGaryy]

No not at all. It has nothing to do with it. I know nobody gay. (Well I have my suspicions about some close friends), and I'm bi so I don't see how it would have anything to do with it.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].


LMFAO
I LOVE VILLE VALO<3
moreso for the music.. but still x]

My first celeb crush was either Shawn Ashmore, Philip Olivier or Christopher Parker =|

However the confused guy I said about in a previous post will run around and say how 'fkn sexy Christiano Ronaldo is' and it's like.. wait.. you're straight? :\

[Lauren]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
do u really have to be exposed to homosexuality to turn gay?


I personally don't think so.

It's mainly down to whether you believe homosexuality is down to nature or nurture... that is, whether it happens biologically, or whether it's down to your environment.

I believe it's biologically predestined (with the environment/surroundings being a trigger), and so you don't have to be 'exposed' to it.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
do u really have to be exposed to homosexuality to turn gay?
coz like ive never really thought about it, i mean ive been gettin with girls for a fair few years now (Im 16) and the thought of gayness has never crossed my mind, if you have gay friends aree u more like to be gay?

Nope.
I'd never met another gay person until I was 14
and that was on the internet.

I've known I was gay since 12.
I'm sure you can figure it out ;D

[AlexBigBrother]

i dont understand?

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Since everyone else is giving their story , I might as well give mine.

...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].



Ick. Ville is vile (pardon the pun)

[Tom]

Anyway summing up my point about sexuality being nurture not nature. In brief, I believe we are all born as 'blank slates' and if we have no conditions, I think we can all turn out to be absolutely anything. We learn types of behaviour within the first few years such as aggression and interests from our families. Example- Its not coincidental how someone who is sporty is born into a sporty family. I feel that sexuality is the same as that and we learn it, even if we don't realise it.

To illustrate my point I think that if me and Darenn were switched at birth, he would have turned out pretty much exactly how I have (except the obvious- looks) and vice versa. I don't think we're pre determined.

I'm happy to expand on anything if anyone wants me to.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
i dont understand?

Explain.
What don't you understand?

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].


LMFAO
I LOVE VILLE VALO<3
moreso for the music.. but still x]

My first celeb crush was either Shawn Ashmore, Philip Olivier or Christopher Parker =|

However the confused guy I said about in a previous post will run around and say how 'fkn sexy Christiano Ronaldo is' and it's like.. wait.. you're straight? :\
I promised I would not get all gay and emotional but...

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.myworld.mi.it/Ville1/Pagina_Foto_Ville.html)

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom
Anyway summing up my point about sexuality being nurture not nature. In brief, I believe we are all born as 'blank slates' and if we have no conditions, I think we can all turn out to be absolutely anything. We learn types of behaviour within the first few years such as aggression and interests from our families. Example- Its not coincidental how someone who is sporty is born into a sporty family. I feel that sexuality is the same as that and we learn it, even if we don't realise it.

To illustrate my point I think that if me and Darenn were switched at birth, he would have turned out pretty much exactly how I have (except the obvious- looks) and vice versa. I don't think we're pre determined.

I'm happy to expand on anything if anyone wants me to.

Hello Piaget :xyxwave:

(I hope to God you get my Psychology joke...).

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Since everyone else is giving their story , I might as well give mine.

...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].



Ick. Ville is vile (pardon the pun)
:shocked::shocked::shocked:


Sorry , but if I spent hours trying to relate to what you said , I would still come up short.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Tom
Anyway summing up my point about sexuality being nurture not nature. In brief, I believe we are all born as 'blank slates' and if we have no conditions, I think we can all turn out to be absolutely anything. We learn types of behaviour within the first few years such as aggression and interests from our families. Example- Its not coincidental how someone who is sporty is born into a sporty family. I feel that sexuality is the same as that and we learn it, even if we don't realise it.

To illustrate my point I think that if me and Darenn were switched at birth, he would have turned out pretty much exactly how I have (except the obvious- looks) and vice versa. I don't think we're pre determined.

I'm happy to expand on anything if anyone wants me to.

Hello Piaget :xyxwave:

(I hope to God you get my Psychology joke...).

LOL yes. I didn't like Piaget very much though. I had problems remembering any studies he was involved with :laugh:

[AlexBigBrother]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].


LMFAO
I LOVE VILLE VALO<3
moreso for the music.. but still x]

My first celeb crush was either Shawn Ashmore, Philip Olivier or Christopher Parker =|

However the confused guy I said about in a previous post will run around and say how 'fkn sexy Christiano Ronaldo is' and it's like.. wait.. you're straight? :\

i dont understand your final part of that??

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].


LMFAO
I LOVE VILLE VALO<3
moreso for the music.. but still x]

My first celeb crush was either Shawn Ashmore, Philip Olivier or Christopher Parker =|

However the confused guy I said about in a previous post will run around and say how 'fkn sexy Christiano Ronaldo is' and it's like.. wait.. you're straight? :\

i dont understand your final part of that??

oh.
i've got this 'friend'.
Who claims to be straight, yet he fancies Cristiano Ronaldo.
&I've got a gazillion other points that I can make to disprove his sexuality, mostly personal anecdotes, but that's not particularly relevant considering the topic is Homophobia.
Unless he's a homophobic homosexual.
But lets not get into that.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Rex=Legend
...three or four years ago , I became obsessed with a man named Ville Valo [Google image him].


LMFAO
I LOVE VILLE VALO<3
moreso for the music.. but still x]

My first celeb crush was either Shawn Ashmore, Philip Olivier or Christopher Parker =|

However the confused guy I said about in a previous post will run around and say how 'fkn sexy Christiano Ronaldo is' and it's like.. wait.. you're straight? :\

i dont understand your final part of that??

oh.
i've got this 'friend'.
Who claims to be straight, yet he fancies Cristiano Ronaldo.
&I've got a gazillion other points that I can make to disprove his sexuality, mostly personal anecdotes, but that's not particularly relevant considering the topic is Homophobia.

Maybe he has a mancrush :tongue:

[AlexBigBrother]

lol
that just seems mental to me, how u can get turned on by that bastard

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
lol
that just seems mental to me, how u can get turned on by that b******

I could find a way . . . .

[Rocko]

One of my lecturers tried to explain one theory of homosexuality with maternal mitochondria.

Didn't really go down too well with the students.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble

I'm Bi right, and everyday i hear the word "Gay" as a "Cuss" a way of offending people, sometimes me. I understand that some people can't except gay people because of there religion but they don't have to be so rude about it.




Hello Loukas. I have just read your first post. What does being gay/bi have to do with religion?

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble

I'm Bi right, and everyday i hear the word "Gay" as a "Cuss" a way of offending people, sometimes me. I understand that some people can't except gay people because of there religion but they don't have to be so rude about it.




Hello Loukas. I have just read your first post. What does being gay/bi have to do with religion?

Because it goes against the bible.

[Rex=Legend]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
lol
that just seems mental to me, how u can get turned on by that b******

I could find a way . . . .
And yet Ville gets a no? Ronaldo looks like a crushed melon shoved through a bamboo stick and hardened with cow manure for god's sake :lovedup:.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble

I'm Bi right, and everyday i hear the word "Gay" as a "Cuss" a way of offending people, sometimes me. I understand that some people can't except gay people because of there religion but they don't have to be so rude about it.




Hello Loukas. I have just read your first post. What does being gay/bi have to do with religion?

Because it goes against the bible.

Not just the Bible. In some other countries youu can be executed for being gay because of religion and the strong beliefs.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Rex=Legend
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
lol
that just seems mental to me, how u can get turned on by that b******

I could find a way . . . .
And yet Ville gets a no? Ronaldo looks like a crushed melon shoved through a bamboo stick and hardened with cow manure for god's sake :lovedup:.

I personally think neither Ville or Ronaldo are gifted in the looks department.

[Rex=Legend]

Bah. Heretics.

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble

I'm Bi right, and everyday i hear the word "Gay" as a "Cuss" a way of offending people, sometimes me. I understand that some people can't except gay people because of there religion but they don't have to be so rude about it.




Hello Loukas. I have just read your first post. What does being gay/bi have to do with religion?

Because it goes against the bible.

Not just the Bible. In some other countries youu can be executed for being gay because of religion and the strong beliefs.

What they said... :wink:

[Nurse57]

Homosexuals are gay.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Homosexuals are gay.
Wow really? I never noticed that! :shocked:

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Homosexuals are gay.

ROTFLMFAO!!!
I love your sig quote too :D

[Jake!]

I get homophobic abuse all the time, because I don't even have the most masculine voice. But I have some great come-backs. U2U me with what people say and I'll give you a smart-arse comment that will shut there mouths. Trust me, it works for me everytime.

[Jack_]

We were discussing this in our PSHE session yesterday, and today someone brought it up in Science on our table, and I, and other people ended up talking about it. I will talk about this later.

I personally do not like homophobia, I find it disgusting and I can tell you I am 100% straight. I think that people are entitled to like what and who they like, and it is not for other people to decide what is right and what is wrong. Most children see it as "not socially acceptable" to be gay, and that it is wrong. I disagree. Just because it may not be considered to be the "normal" thing to be, it doesn't mean that it is wrong. As I said earlier, people are entitled to do what they want with their lives, and being gay/bisexual is something which people should be respected for.

Now, onto the PSHE and Science lessons I mentioned. In the PSHE session yesterday, one of the tasks we were asked to do was to get into small groups and discuss different topics surrounding homosexuality, such as "Should gay be used as an insult?". One of the topics which another group were given was "Should gay people be allowed to adopt?", and immediately afterwards someone on the row behind me said "No they shouldn't", so I asked him why he thought this and after much thought all he said was "because they will make the child gay", which I personally found pathetic.

I am all for respecting peoples opinions and such, especially if it is against their religion, but if I am going to respect their opinion, I would like them to have a reason why they think such things. When I ask people why they do not like homosexuals and all they answer is something along the lines of "because they're gay" I do not respect their opinion, as it is not valid, and there are no points to back it up.

Another thing that was brought up in this session, was "queer bashing", I think it's called that, where people beat homosexuals up just because of their sexuality. This is disgusting IMO, and what was even more disgusting was that after the session was over, some people thought it would be funny outside to say to people "I'm going to queer bash you", because they thought is was acceptable to do this.

All of this as I have said, I found disgusting and unacceptable, and I will talk about the discussion I had with some other people in Science today once I have recieved a few replies to this. Sorry for such a long post, but this is a subject that I have strong opinions on.

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Nurse57
Homosexuals are gay.

ROTFLMFAO!!!
I love your sig quote too :D

LOL!!! Today some guy called me gay... 2 hours later he fell down the stairs... talk about Karma ey!? :wink: lol

[Shaun]

Loukas...did you push him? :tongue:

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Shaun
Loukas...did you push him? :tongue:

No.. :whistle:.

LOL! He just fell honestly Everyone laughed!! :bigsmile:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Jack_
We were discussing this in our PSHE session yesterday, and today someone brought it up in Science on our table, and I, and other people ended up talking about it. I will talk about this later.

I personally do not like homophobia, I find it disgusting and I can tell you I am 100% straight. I think that people are entitled to like what and who they like, and it is not for other people to decide what is right and what is wrong. Most children see it as "not socially acceptable" to be gay, and that it is wrong. I disagree. Just because it may not be considered to be the "normal" thing to be, it doesn't mean that it is wrong. As I said earlier, people are entitled to do what they want with their lives, and being gay/bisexual is something which people should be respected for.

Now, onto the PSHE and Science lessons I mentioned. In the PSHE session yesterday, one of the tasks we were asked to do was to get into small groups and discuss different topics surrounding homosexuality, such as "Should gay be used as an insult?". One of the topics which another group were given was "Should gay people be allowed to adopt?", and immediately afterwards someone on the row behind me said "No they shouldn't", so I asked him why he thought this and after much thought all he said was "because they will make the child gay", which I personally found pathetic.

I am all for respecting peoples opinions and such, especially if it is against their religion, but if I am going to respect their opinion, I would like them to have a reason why they think such things. When I ask people why they do not like homosexuals and all they answer is something along the lines of "because they're gay" I do not respect their opinion, as it is not valid, and there are no points to back it up.

Another thing that was brought up in this session, was "queer bashing", I think it's called that, where people beat homosexuals up just because of their sexuality. This is disgusting IMO, and what was even more disgusting was that after the session was over, some people thought it would be funny outside to say to people "I'm going to queer bash you", because they thought is was acceptable to do this.

All of this as I have said, I found disgusting and unacceptable, and I will talk about the discussion I had with some other people in Science today once I have recieved a few replies to this. Sorry for such a long post, but this is a subject that I have strong opinions on.

Noone is 100% straight :thumbs:

Everyone finds people of the same sex more/less attractive than eachother whether you admit it or not, and even if its not a sexual attraction its still some sort of physical attraction. If you were 100% straight you'd see all people of the same sex in the same way. The balance is more 90/10 at the 'straightest', most masculine end.

[Arneldo]

I find it offensive when people use "gay" in a negative way, and use it as a insult. Just stupid things like "That's so gay" pisses me off. My mates take the piss sometimes, I can cop it from them but there is a line and sometimes they come very close to crossing it. My mate used the term "shirtlifter" the other day, and I just walked out of the room. I cannot stand that term, it drives me mad. Homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism, ageism - whatever. But I think for reason, it's overlooked. People need to learn and understand that this is not a life choice. I did not wake up one morning and decide to be this way. I was born gay, I am gay. Just like somebody else might be born straight.

[Loukas]

Tom, my mate said that! She said "Everyone loves everyone, nobody is straight, everyones bi! They are just not in touch with it!?" whatever that means lol

[Tom]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I find it offensive when people use "gay" in a negative way, and use it as a insult. Just stupid things like "That's so gay" p****s me off. My mates take the p**s sometimes, I can cop it from them but there is a line and sometimes they come very close to crossing it. My mate used the term "shirtlifter" the other day, and I just walked out of the room. I cannot stand that term, it drives me mad. Homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism, ageism - whatever. But I think for reason, it's overlooked. People need to learn and understand that this is not a life choice. I did not wake up one morning and decide to be this way. I was born gay, I am gay. Just like somebody else might be born straight.

I'd dispute that. I think we learn whether we are gay or straight.

[Tom]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Tom, my mate said that! She said "Everyone loves everyone, nobody is straight, everyones bi! They are just not in touch with it!?" whatever that means lol

Its not so much that everyones bi because to me the thought of jumping in bed with another male repulses me tbh but I'm straight enough, confident enough and comfortable enough to admit that I believe noone is 100% straight because men can think other men are good looking but not really want them in a sexual way- just like how girls are always complimenting each other on how good they look. It doesn't mean they want to have sex with each other does it? Its just some 'straight' people IMO aren't comfortable enough to admit something like that because it might mean people will think they're gay- hidden secret or worried? Who knows.

[Jack_]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Jack_
We were discussing this in our PSHE session yesterday, and today someone brought it up in Science on our table, and I, and other people ended up talking about it. I will talk about this later.

I personally do not like homophobia, I find it disgusting and I can tell you I am 100% straight. I think that people are entitled to like what and who they like, and it is not for other people to decide what is right and what is wrong. Most children see it as "not socially acceptable" to be gay, and that it is wrong. I disagree. Just because it may not be considered to be the "normal" thing to be, it doesn't mean that it is wrong. As I said earlier, people are entitled to do what they want with their lives, and being gay/bisexual is something which people should be respected for.

Now, onto the PSHE and Science lessons I mentioned. In the PSHE session yesterday, one of the tasks we were asked to do was to get into small groups and discuss different topics surrounding homosexuality, such as "Should gay be used as an insult?". One of the topics which another group were given was "Should gay people be allowed to adopt?", and immediately afterwards someone on the row behind me said "No they shouldn't", so I asked him why he thought this and after much thought all he said was "because they will make the child gay", which I personally found pathetic.

I am all for respecting peoples opinions and such, especially if it is against their religion, but if I am going to respect their opinion, I would like them to have a reason why they think such things. When I ask people why they do not like homosexuals and all they answer is something along the lines of "because they're gay" I do not respect their opinion, as it is not valid, and there are no points to back it up.

Another thing that was brought up in this session, was "queer bashing", I think it's called that, where people beat homosexuals up just because of their sexuality. This is disgusting IMO, and what was even more disgusting was that after the session was over, some people thought it would be funny outside to say to people "I'm going to queer bash you", because they thought is was acceptable to do this.

All of this as I have said, I found disgusting and unacceptable, and I will talk about the discussion I had with some other people in Science today once I have recieved a few replies to this. Sorry for such a long post, but this is a subject that I have strong opinions on.

Noone is 100% straight :thumbs:

Everyone finds people of the same sex more/less attractive than eachother whether you admit it or not, and even if its not a sexual attraction its still some sort of physical attraction. If you were 100% straight you'd see all people of the same sex in the same way. The balance is more 90/10 at the 'straightest', most masculine end.

Fair enough. I think I was more interested in getting my point across, rather than stating my sexuality, so it was just a quick point to say that although I dislike homophobia, I am still straight. I think I felt the need to put it in, because I am used to people saying "so you're gay then" when I put my point across, but obviously I should of realised that wouldn't have happened here.

Thank you for bringing up it up, and looking at the points you have given, I would have to agree with you, no one is 100% straight. You learn something new everyday.:tongue:

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Arneldo
I find it offensive when people use "gay" in a negative way, and use it as a insult. Just stupid things like "That's so gay" p****s me off. My mates take the p**s sometimes, I can cop it from them but there is a line and sometimes they come very close to crossing it. My mate used the term "shirtlifter" the other day, and I just walked out of the room. I cannot stand that term, it drives me mad. Homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism, ageism - whatever. But I think for reason, it's overlooked. People need to learn and understand that this is not a life choice. I did not wake up one morning and decide to be this way. I was born gay, I am gay. Just like somebody else might be born straight.

I'd dispute that. I think we learn whether we are gay or straight.

I think everyone will learn and become the person they are as they grow up - but I believe you are born gay, or not. It's not a life choice, it's not a decison we make. We either are or we are not.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Arneldo
I find it offensive when people use "gay" in a negative way, and use it as a insult. Just stupid things like "That's so gay" p****s me off. My mates take the p**s sometimes, I can cop it from them but there is a line and sometimes they come very close to crossing it. My mate used the term "shirtlifter" the other day, and I just walked out of the room. I cannot stand that term, it drives me mad. Homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism, ageism - whatever. But I think for reason, it's overlooked. People need to learn and understand that this is not a life choice. I did not wake up one morning and decide to be this way. I was born gay, I am gay. Just like somebody else might be born straight.

I'd dispute that. I think we learn whether we are gay or straight.

I think everyone will learn and become the person they are as they grow up - but I believe you are born gay, or not. It's not a life choice, it's not a decison we make. We either are or we are not.

Well I respect your views but my personal belief as explained a few pages back is that we're born as a blank slate and we pick things up through social conditioning. There are studies which suggest we can learn behaviour types such as aggression and I think sexuality is a behaviour type.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Arneldo
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Arneldo
I find it offensive when people use "gay" in a negative way, and use it as a insult. Just stupid things like "That's so gay" p****s me off. My mates take the p**s sometimes, I can cop it from them but there is a line and sometimes they come very close to crossing it. My mate used the term "shirtlifter" the other day, and I just walked out of the room. I cannot stand that term, it drives me mad. Homophobia is just as bad as racism, sexism, ageism - whatever. But I think for reason, it's overlooked. People need to learn and understand that this is not a life choice. I did not wake up one morning and decide to be this way. I was born gay, I am gay. Just like somebody else might be born straight.

I'd dispute that. I think we learn whether we are gay or straight.

I think everyone will learn and become the person they are as they grow up - but I believe you are born gay, or not. It's not a life choice, it's not a decison we make. We either are or we are not.

Well I respect your views but my personal belief as explained a few pages back is that we're born as a blank slate and we pick things up through social conditioning. There are studies which suggest we can learn behaviour types such as aggression and I think sexuality is a behaviour type.

If that's the case then how do you explain siblings who go to the same school, have the same circle of friends, live in the same house within the same area, where 1 of them is gay and the other is straight?

Are you telling me that if I was born in London into Darenn's family, had his upbringing, went to his school etc etc, I would not find Jennifer Ellison sexually attractive? But instead I'd fancy John Barrowman?

[Hugo]

I don't necessarily think you are born gay, I just think that you find another sex more attractive than another so basically Bi on different scales.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by tooperfect
I don't necessarily think you are born gay, I just think that you find another sex more attractive than another so basically Bi on different scales.

My Psychology student friend said we are all bisexual on different degrees.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Legend

If that's the case then how do you explain siblings who go to the same school, have the same circle of friends, live in the same house within the same area, where 1 of them is gay and the other is straight?

Are you telling me that if I was born in London into Darenn's family, had his upbringing, went to his school etc etc, I would not find Jennifer Ellison sexually attractive? But instead I'd fancy John Barrowman?

If its same sex siblings then theres evidence suggesting that if you have an older brother then you're more likely to be gay.

If its different sex siblings then it could be that one is wanting to be 'like' the other and plays with them in the first few years? I know what I'm trying to say but I'm not sure how to word it.

But the scenario you have outlined is very unlikely because no two people live identical lifestyles and thats what you're trying to imply. For a start siblings will be in different classes so there will be a different group of people they interact with daily.

I think the bottom bit about you & Darenn switching would work like that. I wouldn't expect you both to be identical to how the other person is now but I'd say very similar. The only things I'd say that would be different would be the obvious- basic appearance things such as bone structure, skin tone, eye colour etc.

[Hugo]

I don't like labels gay or straight ect. I just think liking the oposite sex is most common so its like most people don't like marmite but a few people love it, the people who like the same sex.

P.S I'm not saying if you like marmite your gay! lol :laugh:

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Tom
If its same sex siblings then theres evidence suggesting that if you have an older brother then you're more likely to be gay.

I have two older sisters?
I'm the only boy =[

++LOL tooperfect.
I hate marmite :P

[Tom]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Tom
If its same sex siblings then theres evidence suggesting that if you have an older brother then you're more likely to be gay.

I have two older sisters?
I'm the only boy =[

++LOL tooperfect.
I hate marmite :P

Too many female influences :tongue:

[Noel]

I know EXACTLY how you feel!
Every day I'd be walking in school, and within 5 minutes, I have been called "gay" or "queer" or "****" about 6 times. I have learnt to deal with it and when I'm with my friends I laugh about it, but it does hurt, and I just think "why can't they just accept people who are different?" I don't know these people, I have never spoken to them or offended them, yet they insist on offending me. The world needs to open up to new cultures and people. I know some people can't help but feel homophobic, due to their religion or their upbringing, but if they know it will hurt other people, why can't they just keep it to themselves? I'm not even gay, btw.I'm Bi. lol. But it's all the same to them. I am openly bi in my school, and many people respect me for being so open. Some people are genuinely interested in me, and don't feel anger or hatred towards me, and I don't mind answering any questions they ask, but it's the little, to be polite, bananas, that tease you or ask you personal question deliberately to make you feel uncomfortable that annoy me. Unfortunately, this is just the world in which we live in. Hopefully, as the years go by, and being gay/bi/lesbian becomes more frequent, the world will become more accepting of us, and we will all be able to live in harmony. (Just thought I would end on a cheesy note :D)

[Barbie]

i think homophobia is more frowned upon than being gay

also there was research to suggest that the brain of a straight male and lesbian female are similar and the brain of a gay man and straight female are similar
Link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

[Fom]

I think that people should just accept people for who they are, I actually personally disagree in sexuality as a whole, I believe people fall in love with who they fall in love. Wether it by Male or Female you cant help who you love.
I have loads of gay mates and I jokingly use the word 'Gay' as an insult but I would never do it seriously. You know joking like "You have funny hair"... "Yeh well your gay" we just mess about and its fun to laugh at it, instead of frowning upon anyone straight saying the word gay. I think the people who dont like it are just largely immature and need to get over it. Its the 21st century. And dont class all gay people as feminine because my mates are reasonably straight acting, I think the camp people are just trying to get attention, I dont get it personally.

[rayheartbliss]

who cares!
just **** anyone you want init! ;)

[lolester]

yer its a free world now im not gay but pepole can **** whoever when ever
but i do agree people do get picked on with the word gay at secondary school. striaght or gay no one should be called gay with anger