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Hooly One
19-06-2004, 11:50 PM
BIG BROTHER MELTDOWN : Emma gets the bullet from house and drug-dealer Victor admits...

If someone doesn't pay
I give them a bashing...

By Mike Hamilton



BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies that can't pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.

We can also reveal the East London drug dealer threatened housemate Emma with a knife during the bust-up on Thursday which led to her being booted off Big Brother last night.

Out-of-control Victor screamed at her "I'll ********** kill you, you bitch" because he thought he heard her make a racist taunt.

Six security guards and two producers rushed into the house as Victor, 23, brandished the knife.

An insider said: "The drugs and violent scenes involving Victor have had to be cut because they are dynamite.

"It is bad enough police got involved after his bust-up with Emma. But the things he was admitting to were a lot worse and could have seen him in real trouble."

Victor made his drugs revelation in a late-night group discussion last Sunday.

He told Stuart, Jason and Dan he dealt "hard drugs" near his home in Forest Gate, east London.

Later, he chatted about his vile trade to Stuart in the garden and mentioned cocaine and marijuana.

Then he boasted: "If someone doesn't pay up, then I give them a good bashing."

An insider said: "The way Victor was talking was as if he had been involved with some pretty heavy-duty people.

"And it sounded like he had been involved in it recently—certainly in the past year.

Gangsters

"Some viewers think he is playing up to an image as a gangster. But the producers and housemates know he isn't. It is the real Victor we are seeing and he can be pretty scary.

"People are worried we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with him and there could be more bombshells to come.

"He will be kicked out of the house if his temper flares up again or if he talks about illegal things.

"All the crew are calling him a time-bomb because he could explode at any time."

He showed his worst side in the early hours of Thursday in a furious row with Emma.

The disgraceful scenes were cut by Channel 4 bosses in a desperate attempt to cover up the true extent of the violence.

They used the 15-minute delay in screening ‘live' footage to edit out the worst of the drunken brawl.

Then, when Shell Jubin suffered a panic attack, they pulled the plug on the show completely for an hour.

But today we can reveal just what the viewers were not allowed to see during that lost hour...

The showdown between student Victor and legal administrator Emma came at 1.30am on Thursday, about three hours after Emma and Michelle left the bedsit where they had been spying on the other housemates.

Viewers saw the water fight which sent Vanessa and Jason into a rage. As camp Marco taunted him with a daft dances, bodybuilder Jason yelled at him: "I might decide to knock ****** out of you."

But that was nothing compared to the bust-up that erupted between Victor and Emma.

They started trading insults at 1.20am when she wagged her finger at him and said she had been watching him slag her off from the bedsit.

As Big Brother tried to intervene over a loudspeaker, 6ft 2ins Victor, still wearing his clown make-up from the fancy dress party, hurled a glass of wine over Emma and then threw a food platter at her.

After another five minutes of verbal assaults, student Stuart had to intervene to stop Victor going for Emma with the knife.

Panic

Six guards and two senior producers then dashed into the house to de-fuse the bust-up.

Victor was ushered into the diary room, while Emma went into a bedroom with hairdresser Dan Bryan, 30.

The 20-year-old from Oldham repeatedly tried to get out of the room to have another go at Victor, but was restrained by Dan.

A Big Brother insider said: "It was lucky Stuart was there and they sent the guards in when they did or it would have turned even nastier.

"It is unbelievable that Victor can brandish a knife at a girl and still stay in the house. If he did that in the outside world, he'd be up in court."

Producers finally took the show off the air at 1.40am when Shell had a panic attack. She ran to the bathroom in tears, and started to hyper-ventilate, rocking against the wall.

But as transsexual Nadia went into the bathroom to help, another fight broke out. Angry Vanessa lurched at Nadia, trying to grab her hair and Marco was forced to break them up.

Our source said: "Vanessa was furious because she felt Nadia had been egging everyone on during the arguments. She was telling Emma to have another go at Victor instead of calming her down.

"She thought that had contributed to Shell being so upset and that Nadia was a hypocrite.

Shocking

"Shell was really in a bad way and they were seriously worried about her."

We can also reveal that the housemates had rumbled that Michelle and Emma were watching from the bedsit before their return to the house on Wednesday night.

Producers cut several scenes when contestants referred to the bedsit and said Emma and Michelle were inside.

On Monday night, Victor — angry after being given a cold shower — hammered on the wall and accused the two girls of singling him out for racist treatment after he guessed they were working for Big Brother.

Our insider said: "Victor was absolutely mad and screaming at them for about 20 minutes, which had to be cut out.

"He seemed to know exactly what had happened and was calling Emma and Michelle ‘racist bitches' and saying they were picking on him.

"It was shocking stuff, and it showed they knew exactly what was going on with the bedsit. But producers have been conning the viewers by trying to maintain the pretence they were unaware of it."

The fight scenes that followed Emma and Michelle's return from the bedsit may have been shocking, but they gave Big Brother its second highest ratings yet.

It was watched by 6.3 million viewers, just 400,000 short of the launch night.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news1.shtml

Hooly One
19-06-2004, 11:59 PM
So that's why he screamed this line at emma -" Do you know who i am? Do you know who i am?Do you know who i am?:rolleyes:

All i can say is "bye victor!" :xyxwave:

bananarama
20-06-2004, 12:09 AM
How much can you believe from a newspaper. Not much if any. I have not bought them for many years because of the trash they print.

The part about Shell I was up late that night and must admit I felt very worried about her. She was in a real state and it's true they did not show what got her into that state.

Drug dealing. Who knows. it would come as no shock if it were true. As i have said before if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it is sure likely to be one.

We shall see no doubt.

If only some of it is true then Emma would have been in serious danger on the outside had she crossed him any more.

Although her eviction is unjust she is much safer not having to confront that idiot any more.

dustmite
20-06-2004, 12:14 AM
Erm. That article is the biggest load of...

Hooly One
20-06-2004, 12:16 AM
Hey! i think it could be true, because the sun news was right about emma yestarday being kicked out.

dustmite
20-06-2004, 12:17 AM
No, I assure you it's rubbish. Victor had put the knife down by that point, and the only reason it was in his hand was because he was buttering some bread/toast at the time the argument began.

The Sun got their leak from Ananova and Ananova got it from Endemol.

The guards entered the house in the bedroom first, where Victor was in the bedroom sans aforementioned knife...

Micycle
20-06-2004, 12:38 AM
It's a lot of crap!! :rolleyes: There is no way Victor would still be there after trying to attack Emma with a knife.:nono:

Sunny_01
20-06-2004, 01:24 AM
I have to say I doubt had he brandished a knife would he be allowed to remain in the house - they would have to consider the safety of the other housemates when making a decision to let someone like that stay.

I have read in a magazine though that Victor is NOT on a gap year and that he left uni after a year studying and he didnt study what he claimed to have studied, this came from the uni itself who want to dissasociate itself from him.

I think he does have a dark past and that can not be disputed but I think he also has a huge chip on his shoulders.

The most disturbing thing for me was Shells reaction. I have worked with victims of abuse for many years and she displayed a lot of the charactersitics of an abuse victim. I found it all very distressing and think that Vanessa reacted to try and protect a deeply disturbed friend. No she shouldnt have resorted to physical violence but you try to get rid of Nadia when she is on a mission to cause havoc!

Kanye_West
20-06-2004, 01:27 AM
Newspapers talk crap. buy beano thatll tell you more about Victor. Broadsheets are reliable but do they print big brother??? i doubt it... but i dunno.

Sticks
20-06-2004, 05:39 AM
The other bit from the News of the World on line Re: Emma


Loudmouth evicted after police probe

MOUTHY housemate Emma Greenwood was booted out of the Big Brother House last night as it emerged cops had quizzed her over her part in Thursday's drunken riot.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/images/victor_06.jpg

CALM DOWN: Dan talks to Emma

Officers grilled her about the violent confrontation with vile Victor Ebuwa, 23, which unfolded hours after she re-entered the TV house from a bedsit.

Channel 4 says no other housemates were questioned but detectives have watched hours of video evidence and might still want to quiz them.

A Hertfordshire Police spokesman said last night: "A 20-year-old woman from Oldham was spoken to by police in relation to incidents that occurred in the Big Brother house last Wednesday.

"She was not under arrest and has not been charged with any offences." But Big Brother chiefs decided to give her the bullet anyway after their psychologists had interviewed her.

A spokesman said last night: "We don't think Emma is any more to blame for the events of Wednesday night than anyone else, but we believe this is the best course of action to ensure the welfare and safety of all the housemates, including Emma.

Risk

"The house is calm as all the other housemates appear to be working through their issues, but we were concerned that Emma's return might have increased the risk of a repeat incident.

"Emma has accepted our decision.

"We fully co-operated with the police inquiry. No other housemates were interviewed. Who is to say that the police won't want to talk to other housemates when they come out of the house?

"Police did look at videos of the show and also spoke to producers. We gave them every assistance. They were able to view all the footage from Big Brother."

Emma had been locked in the bedsit away from other housemates since the bust-up, but a show insider yesterday revealed she had been spirited away from the house every evening.

He said: "She was so unstable that she was sleeping in the studio rather than the bedsit because we were worried about her being cooped up in there for so long."

Emma was last night re-united with her mum Karen who travelled from Manchester to a London hotel to comfort her daughter.




Emma has accepted our decision.


As if she had any choice :rolleyes:

The question is, why was she selected?

Also, to be consistant with the "welfare of housemates" (yeah right), etc, I would suggest they extract Shell. Her panic attack indicates that there is a higher degree of fragility there and a repeat performance could occur. Panic attacks can be lethal, a boy at my old school in Tottington High school died from one brought on by the pressure of exams.

Perhaps as some have hinted elswhere, it is time to call it a day and end BB5 early.

eebroo
20-06-2004, 06:56 AM
There is NO WAY Victor would still be in the house if he had genuinely threatened Emma with a knife, especially as the police have become involved. If the story is true, I doubt any of the housemates would be speaking to him. I know the guy acts like a bit of a fool sometimes, but the demonisation of his character is getting WAY out of hand!.

It seems the producers have really screwed up in their quest for conflict and higher ratings. I feel Channel 4 need to urgently review the decisions of the producers of the show to make sure no other flashpoints can occur.

Amy
20-06-2004, 08:01 AM
:rolleyes: The News of The World always go over board on their articles! I wonder if they start off with good intentions but get carried away in the middle and at the end :laugh:

Dan_
20-06-2004, 11:15 AM
What a load of bull!

liver
20-06-2004, 01:17 PM
Sounds like a typically sensationalist tabloid report to me. If it were all true then Victor would be out of there by now and 'helping the police with their enquiries'! ;)

James
20-06-2004, 10:04 PM
You get journalists like Kevin O'Sullivan claiming Big Brother is the end of civilisation as we know it and then newspapers print stories like this.

I think he should look closer to home...

Kore
20-06-2004, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by Micycle
It's a lot of c**p !! :rolleyes: There is no way Victor would still be there after trying to attack Emma with a knife.:nono:

what the hell are you talkin bout, he didnt attack her with a KNIFE, dont be silly!:shocked:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by Kore
Originally posted by Micycle
It's a lot of c**p !! :rolleyes: There is no way Victor would still be there after trying to attack Emma with a knife.:nono:

what the hell are you talkin bout, he didnt attack her with a KNIFE, dont be silly!:shocked:

Or did he? pic below ->:rolleyes:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:58 AM
Heres a pic of Jay trying to stop him ->

dustmite
21-06-2004, 07:35 AM
That is a butter knife, the knife has butter on it, he was in the process of buttering toast before he got into the argument, which, at that point was to seperate Jason from Marco and Nadia.

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 07:40 AM
The point is, he still had a knife on him and that's no way of stopping an argument.

He did wave it about, which would be intimidating and provocative

Wolverine
21-06-2004, 07:45 AM
I knew while reading this it would be the Sun or some other ass wipe.

The article just seeps of racism.

He aint a drug dealer, he aint a knife attacker.

I am not sure I like his attitude toward women, but that is another thing.

Armshouse
21-06-2004, 07:50 AM
I cant beleive what Im reading.....

I hope when Victor comes out he looks into doing something about NOTW.

People do not like Victor due to the fact that he does what the **** he wants!

I actually know a few people who go to the same UNI as Victor! So this bullshit about him not being at UNI is totally untrue.......

Also the knife incident...

I think its a case of "black man brandashes knife"

If that knife was in the hands of Emma, no one would of reported that.

I never ever play the race card, but in this years BB it has to be done.

dustmite
21-06-2004, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by Hooly One
The point is, he still had a knife on him and that's no way of stopping an argument.

He did wave it about, which would be intimidating and provocative
It just happened to be in his hand, I've shouted at people whilst brandishing a craft knife before now... Does that make me a violent evil thug? Nah, just means I'm not thinking before I have a go.

Whilst I don't like Victor, the knife thing is being taken out of context.

Armshouse
21-06-2004, 08:59 AM
Hooley One has a problem with Victor being in the house, all his arguments are ****, backed up by ****, I am starting to think he is racist.

lol

p2pnut
21-06-2004, 10:02 AM
I never believe anything written in the 'Page 3 Observer' (Sun) or the '*****'s Gazette' (NOTW), but it is patently obvious that there is one very guilty party in this whole fiasco ...... The Producers of BB5

Out of the many thousands who applied/auditioned/bribed/pleaded for a place in the BB house they deliberately selected the highly disturbed and disfunctional individuals who have featured in these fracas.

Given the time and effort put into the selection process; in-depth interviews; isometric testing; the input of 'psychologists'; background research etc. there is no way that they were unaware of the personality and potential behaviour of any of the contestants.

Following the near-catatonic boredom of BB4, this is a deliberate ploy by Ch4 and BB to raise their ratings. It may have proved to be 'successful' in ratings terms, but what next? Where do they draw the line?

No doubt live CCTV coverage of gang rape, pedophilia or animal abuse would draw an appreciative audience of sad, sick Sun readers - but is that acceptable in the name of promoting advertising revenue for TV companies?

I'm far too cynical to be shocked by all this ..... just saddened by the depths that society is prepared to sink to in the pursuit of profits and 'entertainment'.

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 04:27 PM
Because i happen to hate someone who happens to be black, it's racist by you.. where's the logic to that? I also hate marco and jay, would you class that has racist.

So no ones alowed an opinion by you or else it would be classed has racist, i'm fed with people like yourself using the race card every time someone says they dislike victor..

I dislike victor because of his vile personality,not because of the colour of his skin and i am not racist

Grow up:rolleyes:

Armshouse

bananarama
21-06-2004, 06:20 PM
Because i happen to hate someone who happens to be black, it's racist by you.. where's the logic to that? I also hate marco and jay, would you class that has racist.


Well said Hooly One. Free speach annoys some people so it's good to see the Armshous's of this world cannot stop it.......

say what you feel Hooly One as long as you agree with me that is.:laugh::hugesmile:

Kore
21-06-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by dustmite
Originally posted by Hooly One
The point is, he still had a knife on him and that's no way of stopping an argument.

He did wave it about, which would be intimidating and provocative
It just happened to be in his hand, I've shouted at people whilst brandishing a craft knife before now... Does that make me a violent evil thug? Nah, just means I'm not thinking before I have a go.

Whilst I don't like Victor, the knife thing is being taken out of context.

I agree 100 percy wiv ya there dustmite :laugh:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:25 PM
Yes bananarama


But like i said before " I don't like his personality and it's not because of the colour of his skin"

Kore
21-06-2004, 06:26 PM
I didnt call you racist??, no1 in here is racist are they?

i like victor

LEE
21-06-2004, 06:27 PM
I'm the same Hooly, the fact I think Victor is a pratt is nothing to do with the colour of his skin. I dislike Marco far more than Victor and that's not racist either, it's just down to the fact I have never seen another human being who is quite so loathsome lol

Kore
21-06-2004, 06:29 PM
LOL, yeah. My favourite at the moment has too be either Vanessa or Victor... or dan, lol, even tho i know a lot of you disagree

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:30 PM
Yep, on the first week i liked victor and then by the 2nd week i saw a totally different side to him.

A evil vindictive side!

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Kore
I didnt call you racist??, no1 in here is racist are they?

i like victor

I didn't say you, but one member has "Armshouse"

Kore
21-06-2004, 06:34 PM
oh yeah, :bored:, nah, hooly isnt a racist, just has a different opinion from some of us, hehe:laugh:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 06:36 PM
True and some have similar opinions to me, some people hate him and some people like him.

Sticks
21-06-2004, 06:56 PM
For the record, I am in the semi-neutral position re the housemates.

I am Michelle's cyber devil's advocate, but that does not always mean I back them to win.

During BB3 I was Jade's Cyber Devil's Advocate, but in the final week I was free to campaign for the people's champion Kate, verses C4's chosen one alex (But I digress)

Our section heads in the office of the Cyber Devil's Advocate General are only interested at this stage in nurturing a certain romance. It looks like a very tough assignment.
:rolleyes:

Stu xxx
21-06-2004, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Hooly One
Because i happen to hate someone who happens to be black, it's racist by you.. where's the logic to that? I also hate marco and jay, would you class that has racist.



No your just homophobic and hate the scots!!!! :spin2::spin2::spin2:

LEE
21-06-2004, 07:18 PM
I hope that post's a joke Stu :spin2:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 07:23 PM
He's being sarcastic, i think?

LEE
21-06-2004, 07:24 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Stu wouldn't really mean a post like that lol - a few of our other newer members maybe, but not Stu :laugh:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 07:29 PM
Yes, well stu's known for he's sarcasm on this forum..
:laugh:

Hooly One
21-06-2004, 07:58 PM
Stu, did you mean that?:conf: Sorry, but i don't want my name to be slandered

Stu xxx
21-06-2004, 08:00 PM
oh god sorry shouldn't have posted that before dashing off to tesco - yes of course i was being sarcastic :spin2::spin2::spin2::spin2:

Celtic Secret
21-06-2004, 08:02 PM
I am scottish and have found both scots jason and sandy to be nothing but scum. But still consider myself patriotic ,in fact even more so to DISassociate this pair from my people.

I hate when these people cry racist, and a black person will never win cos the media and people on the boards are racist.THEN use this plastic gangster as an example.

Far be it from me to argue this NEVER happens, but if you want to argue the point at least use your best argument . I would put forward Darren BB1 and Lemar Fame Academy . Then people might listen and give some credence to your arguments.

Sunny_01
22-06-2004, 04:43 PM
Hooly how dare anyone say you are a racist, you have strong opinions yes but racist never.

I dont like Victor, now before you jump on me it is because of his "its coz I am black attitude " I am sick of hearing that card played out. To me he is just a person, no different to you or I in his make up just not someone I would personally choose to associate myself with. He is rude, demanding, lazy etc..... want me to go on oh ok sly, agressive, manipulative I will leave it there for now. And for the record I would dislike victor if He was purple with green spots let alone black

Hooly One
22-06-2004, 05:33 PM
Lol! Thanks sunny, i agree..

:thumbs:

Victor2Win
22-06-2004, 07:36 PM
i dont belive her attacked her wiv a knife coz he would b gone u get me!! but if he's a drug deler he wouldnt say it on a tv show ehere he knows everyone can hear!! he just wants 2 make up stuff 2 sound big like when he said about running the 100 meters in 11 seconds!!!

LEE
22-06-2004, 07:43 PM
I actually agree with you on that Victor2Win, I don't think Victor is anywhere near as hard a man as he likes to make out, but all these stupid stories and comments he comes up with is one of the reasons I think he's such a pratt. :spin2:

Hooly One
22-06-2004, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by Victor2Win
i dont belive her attacked her with a knife coz he would b gone u get me!! but if he's a drug deler he wouldnt say it on a tv show ehere he knows everyone can hear!! he just wants 2 make up stuff 2 sound big like when he said about running the 100 meters in 11 seconds!!!



I agree also, i think he isn't a drug dealer and that the media wants his blood. i posted this thread, because i found it funny that the media would believe anything anyone would say and because he said it once ('They believed it")

I thought it might of been true and then i thought it isn't true, why would he say it.. ("to make him look big")

I'm no fan of victor, but the media attention towards him is getting worse and you should check out the sun today. there keeping the knife story going, they just don't know when to stop.

I think he was lieing to make him self look hard, but i still dislike him for his personality and for being a pratt

Sunny_01
22-06-2004, 11:55 PM
I dont care what is true I think he is a k**b

:devil:

Hooly One
23-06-2004, 12:12 AM
:laugh:

Kore
23-06-2004, 02:47 AM
I dont think hes a k**b myself. he can be big-headed, but he does bring entertainment to the show, when i watch bb,Vic, Dan Stu, Jay and Van makes it interesting to watch, i cudnt stick it if all the remaining hm's were Marcos harem, cud n e 1 else???? :shocked::rolleyes:

Hooly One
23-06-2004, 02:50 AM
I would stick to watching it without victor..:thumbs:

Kore
23-06-2004, 02:51 AM
:hugesmile:lol

Hooly One
23-06-2004, 02:56 AM
:devil:

Sticks
23-06-2004, 03:53 AM
I tend to think that Jason is more the villain than Victor

Wolverine
23-06-2004, 06:57 AM
I agree sticks, what part of the USA are you from?

Hooly One
23-06-2004, 07:00 AM
Who sticks?:conf: he's from Newcastle upon Tyne in the UK

p2pnut
23-06-2004, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Sunny_01
And for the record I would dislike victor if He was purple with green spots let alone black

Mind you, if he WAS purple with green spots, at least he might be slightly more interesting!

I just love the sentiment expressed in your signature Sunny. Is it original? I certainly didn't find it on a Gooogle search - so it sounds like your own work.

Sticks
23-06-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Hooly One
Who sticks?:conf: he's from Newcastle upon Tyne in the UK

For those who do not know where that is

http://www.newcastlecoc.fsnet.co.uk/pictures/map01.jpg

Hooly One
23-06-2004, 07:59 PM
:laugh:

LEE
25-06-2004, 05:08 PM
We have just received this statement from C4

Serious allegations have been made in some publications against Victor without first checking the facts with Channel 4. In the circumstances we believe it is necessary to put in writing the steps Channel 4’s press department has taken to investigate these false claims.


It has been reported that a “late-night group discussion” took place “last Sunday” (13th June) involving Victor, Stuart, Jason and Dan and contained an admission from Victor that he dealt “hard drugs”. He has been quoted as saying: “If someone doesn’t pay up then I give them a good bashing.”


Channel 4 has carefully reviewed all the tapes of the Big Brother video and audio feed from around 10pm on Sunday 13th June until 2.30am on Monday 14th June and can find no evidence that such a conversation ever took place.

A conversation about the housemates’ views on drugs did take place involving Victor, Stuart, Dan and Shell on Saturday 12th June at around 11.30pm. We can give a categorical assurance that the rushes contain no admission of drug dealing on Victor’s part and no evidence of the quotes attributed to him. To the contrary, during the conversation, Victor explicitly denies he has ever been involved in drug dealing, saying:

“… I could have been a perfect, perfect dealer, if I ever wanted to deal, which I never do and never have, because I am just not interested in taking it, taking any drugs and never wanted to take any drugs and that…”

In view of this explanation, Channel 4 now expects that these false allegations won’t be repeated.

In light of this I am locking this thread and could all discussion of these allegations cease.

Any further threads discussing this will immediately be locked.