Global Warming? Real or Tax Scam

[Rob]

Discuss :spin:

[LosersAreYou]

Of course it's genuine. But it's also a tax scam a huge one which every goverment will now screw us for.

[FrenchAffair]

Tax scam, the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly thousands of times though out history. All of a sudden it is the end of the world because the global tempture rises 1 degree over 25 years..... we've gone though ice ages and global heat waves that lasted thousands of yeasr and are still here.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair
Tax scam, the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly thousands of times though out history. All of a sudden it is the end of the world because the global tempture rises 1 degree over 25 years..... we've gone though ice ages and global heat waves that lasted thousands of yeasr and are still here.

Exactly what I was about to say.

[Red Moon]

It is very real but the Government are using it to make the money out of the situation. There are simple policy changes they could put in place to reduce carbon emissions and that would save people money and save lives, i.e lowering the national speed limit by 10 mph.

Recently due the high cost of petrol (made worse by the government fuel duty) I have been driving my car at 60 mph rather than normal motor way speeds. What I have found instead of getting 39 mpg I now getting 45 mpg. Which means I can do an extra 6 miles for every gallon so on a 90 mile trip I'm producing 15% less carbon emissions than before.

Also I have noticed by moving to the country my car on short trips is doing around 38 mpg rather than the 29 mpg I was getting in the city.

[Fom]

Yeh I agree, its less to do with humans than they make us think. The reason the world is heating up is not our fault, we are just helping it go a little bit faster. There is no way we can stop the world from getting hotter or colder, its just the way the world works. There has been a mini ice age about 300-400 years ago when the thames froze over for a few years. It just happens and they should stop trying to take so much money out of innocent people for doing nothing.

Although, the problem with pollution is still something that needs to be worked on and it is helping speed the process along, plus pollution is bad for our health so even if its real or fake we should watch our carbon footprint. But it has been proven that this is natural and in fact... cows are making the global warming go faster than we are... their farts actually go above the level of pollution we give off. But they do fart alot lol.

[Rob]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by FrenchAffair
Tax scam, the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly thousands of times though out history. All of a sudden it is the end of the world because the global tempture rises 1 degree over 25 years..... we've gone though ice ages and global heat waves that lasted thousands of yeasr and are still here.

Exactly what I was about to say.

completely agree :thumbs:

[KawaiiSakura1]

the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly of times

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Fom
Yeh I agree, its less to do with humans than they make us think. The reason the world is heating up is not our fault, we are just helping it go a little bit faster. There is no way we can stop the world from getting hotter or colder, its just the way the world works. There has been a mini ice age about 300-400 years ago when the thames froze over for a few years. It just happens and they should stop trying to take so much money out of innocent people for doing nothing.

Although, the problem with pollution is still something that needs to be worked on and it is helping speed the process along, plus pollution is bad for our health so even if its real or fake we should watch our carbon footprint. But it has been proven that this is natural and in fact... cows are making the global warming go faster than we are... their farts actually go above the level of pollution we give off. But they do fart alot lol.

Good post :thumbs:

[secrets]

of course its a tax scam,this government are first class scammers.

you only need to notice this typical, wet British summer to know that nothing has changed.

any chance of hiking up prices in the name of global warming and this gov jumps in.:devil:

[Scarlett.]

My arse its real

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png


I mean look at that, We use less polluting things than in the Victorian ages, and somehow its rising now
OH NOES!!!
Global Warming IS a tax scam

[Tom4784]

I'm no expert on the subject but I think it's possibly being overblown, Like other people have said the earth changes temperature by itself. I watched on a documentary that the earth goes through a cycle, It heats up, cools down and goes through an ice age and then back to normal before the pattern starts again. I think I might have missed stuff out but that was the gist of it I think.

I think it's probably overblown but the subject confuses me so i'm not sure if my opinion counts much.

[Fom]

Then again... thinking about it a little bit. It is a tax scam at the fact we are trying to cut pollution down so much (Which we should be doing anyway for our own health) but the money could go towards future developments due to the causes of global warming. In a couple of hundred years the world is going to have to work together to create solutions to rising sea levels etc. Just because we havent caused it doesnt mean the effects arent going to happen, countries will get flooded and dissapear.

And the cost at building the largely commented on floating islands... well thats just insane and they will need our tax money, they shouldnt be spending it though.

[lolester]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair
Tax scam, the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly thousands of times though out history. All of a sudden it is the end of the world because the global tempture rises 1 degree over 25 years..... we've gone though ice ages and global heat waves that lasted thousands of yeasr and are still here.

thtas my opionion i have been arguing this for years and all my global warming essay i have taken the piss out of global warming becuse the earth ahs been heated up and cooled down for millions of years it is just the way it goes:shrug::shrug:

[Firewire]

It's genuine.

[Fom]

Originally posted by lolester
Originally posted by FrenchAffair
Tax scam, the world has heated up and cooled down naturaly thousands of times though out history. All of a sudden it is the end of the world because the global tempture rises 1 degree over 25 years..... we've gone though ice ages and global heat waves that lasted thousands of yeasr and are still here.

thtas my opionion i have been arguing this for years and all my global warming essay i have taken the p**s out of global warming becuse the earth ahs been heated up and cooled down for millions of years it is just the way it goes:shrug::shrug:

Yeh but just because the human race has survived doesnt mean anything, ok.. a few humans could of been at a high point and survived, but how many people have died? You mention it like its not a big deal but really... it is. People die, yeh it happens often... but people die, and thats whats on everyone else's minds so really the fact we have gone through it before means nothing.
Yes we have but at the cost of people.

[rayheartbliss]

real

[andyman]

*bump*

Problem with that clip.

[andyman]

Some info...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-zeGY8zbzc8

[NettoSuperstar!]

aha and here we go Im just gonna copy/paste basically for now

Like I said I agree that Global Warming is a fact but not that we are the cause or there is much significant we can do to stop global warming

However Im all for cutting down on pollution, protecting the environment, and not wasting resources etc but for the right reasons, not so the Govt have a stick to beat us with. Do you see car manufacturers etc being coerced into making environmentally friendly cars etc? Not really because fast cars and huge jeeps mean big bucks! But theyll happily take more money off us for using them (when we have no other choice). Businesses dont recycle like we are and they produce the most waste....Our carbon emissions are a minute percentage of all emissions produced. Natural emissions are huge and some argue are increasing because the sun is getting hotter. But it suits to say its us causing it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

There was a documentary on C4 with a compelling argument as to why our carbon emissions are not a cause of global warming aswell. I wish I remembered the name of it. The global warming swindle or something

[hannah.]

Netto speaks the truuuth!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Amen sister!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@this!


Apocalypse Then
The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population.

-- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)
The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer

-- Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968)
I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000

-- Paul Ehrlich in (1969)
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.

-- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)
Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion

-- Paul Ehrlich in (1976)
This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century

-- Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976
There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.

-- Newsweek, April 28, (1975)
This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.

-- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976
If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.

http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/apocalypse_then.html

[hannah.]

if you look back at graphs of the earth's mean temperature over god knows how long it is always going up and down in a pattern, and we're here now so i don't see what the mass panic is about

[30stone]

A bit of both...

[ange7]

aww netto ...can't agree with you mate
I'm going to presume it is real because it doesn't hurt to :
a) sort my rubbish for recycling:
b) not throw rubbish away like the world is a toilet;
c) drive a smaller car; carpool with friends
d) at least make an effort to buy food that was produced locally instead of being shipped 1000s of km
e) not use disposable plastic bags at the supermarket but instead take those big green reusable ones;
f) take toxic rubbish like batteries mobile phones pc gear etc to special drop off point for pickup;
etc etc...

it's not killing me to do this stuff.... much of it make sense anyway and saves me money to boot.

This crazy conspiracy theory argument that it's a tax rot is hopeless. As though the world's governments got together and agreed to make all this stuff up so that they can tax you more? nah.... governments don't need to go to all that trouble to take your cash. I mean they are spending those taxes on you ffs....

Government taxes like carbon tax are designed to even the playing field when it comes to competition between high polluting but relatively cheap carbon heavy fuels like petrol and coal versus green renewable energy like wind, solar geothermal. Those renewable industries should get tax breaks to give capitalists incentive to make it work. That money plus investor money plus competition will mean money going to research and development to make those technologies cheaper in the future. It's the carrot and stick approach... that was the carrot......and the stick is government increase tax on dirty polluting energy industries ( and therefore it's consumers... YOU) to factor in the real cost that smog and pollution has on a society eg how many billions do governments spend on health care systems due to air and water pollution?

Whether global warming is real or not it makes sense economical, environmentally, morally and spiritually to have a "tread lightly" approach to the impact we make on the planet.

edit:
omfg! just saw the poll results.... that is frightening

[letmein]

Yes, scientists and climatologists, have all conspiratorial together to help the government! Tinfoil hats, stat!

The only people who try to discredit global warming, are those who are getting paid by the Shell corporation.

There is big money to be made at the expense of everyone's health and survival. We didn't have the machines, or the emissions that are being blown into the atmosphere, twenty, thirty, or even forty years ago.

Why do you think cancer rates are so high. The government is doing everything in its power to allow big business to get what it wants.

Michael Moore, the filmmaker, was one of the few people who came out and showed that recycling actually hurts the environment, rather than help it. What we currently have going on, is primarily man-made. Yes, the Earth is always changing, but not at this rate. We are going a billion miles an hour now. We need to do whatever we can to cut down on the pollution we're causing, pronto! There will be natural changes, and also "natural changes" as the natural reaction by the Earth from the crap we're pouring out.

Something has to be done. The conspiracies need to stop though. If you want to have a debate on what is the best means to go about cutting down pollution, good. But some people are still on page one, debating if man has any contribution to this problem. :cloud:

[Scarlett.]

Oh well..by the time it fully takes hold I wont be here, and I doubt not many people will, the universe is a big place, why stick to one planet?

[ange7]

Originally posted by Chewy
Oh well..by the time it fully takes hold I wont be here, and I doubt not many people will, the universe is a big place, why stick to one planet?

yeah yeah right mate.. great idea... sh*t all over this world and then fly in our spaceships to some other planet to sh*t on that one too. We'll call it plan Chewy !!... the spaceships will all have a cool logo with you trying high five yourself but then realising high fives require 2 people.

letmein ... dude explain this will ya...
"Michael Moore, the filmmaker, was one of the few people who came out and showed that recycling actually hurts the environment, rather than help it"

Quoting MM doesn't automatically win an argument... how does the act of recycling ( the idea of NOT throwing everything into land fills but instead trying to reuse the materials in other products) hurt the environment?

[NettoSuperstar!]

"Whether global warming is real or not it makes sense economical, environmentally, morally and spiritually to have a "tread lightly" approach to the impact we make on the planet."

Oh I agree with that bit totally. What really gets my goat is that its ordinary people who are doing everything and getting penalised "road taxes etc" and businesses and corporate empires do jack ****!

[bananarama]

I am old enough to remember that not all that long ago the so called experts on climate change were talking about a new ice age now they have done a "U" turn and think it's a globe on the boil....

I believe the truth to be is that so called experts and polititions take a knee jerk reaction to what is perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm. Give it another 10-15 years and they will be back with the ice age theory again......

[ange7]

Originally posted by bananarama
I am old enough to remember that not all that long ago the so called experts on climate change were talking about a new ice age now they have done a "U" turn and think it's a globe on the boil....

I believe the truth to be is that so called experts and polititions take a knee jerk reaction to what is perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm. Give it another 10-15 years and they will be back with the ice age theory again......

lol banana...you sound like your too cynical to function. Doesn't the "perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm" that I hear you and lot's of others in this thread go on about take many thousounds of years to cycle through instead of just decades. And how do you know what is "perfectly normal"?... your not 20 000 years old and lived through one of those cycles so you most be relying on scientific research....but hold on you don't trust them!! Oh I see you tuest them when they reinforce your argument.
ps
You haven't gone and lumped a whole bunch of different scientists together in your head to make it all easier to understand have you? So you question the credibility of all scientist today because some prat got it wrong ages ago?!!...

[andyman]

Only thing i agree on is that we can't use oil forever!
The whole "man the cause of mother earth to die" BS is just that, BS! The hippies, far left wacko's etc by into the man made myth.. We forget that we live on a Active Planet that has gone through many many changes and humans doing is just a small drop in the ocean, changes in space do more harm to the planet!

Green Tax is a global scam! "don't go green then the sky will fall down!!"

Hahaha or muhahaha as a member likes to write :blush:

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Only thing i agree on is that we can't use oil forever!
The whole "man the cause of mother earth to die" BS is just that, BS! The hippies, far left wacko's etc by into the man made myth.. We forget that we live on a Active Planet that has gone through many many changes and humans doing is just a small drop in the ocean, changes in space do more harm to the planet!

Green Tax is a global scam! "don't go green then the sky will fall down!!"

Hahaha or muhahaha as a member likes to write :blush:
mahahaha your wrongness only makes me stronger! hehe

[bananarama]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by bananarama
I am old enough to remember that not all that long ago the so called experts on climate change were talking about a new ice age now they have done a "U" turn and think it's a globe on the boil....

I believe the truth to be is that so called experts and polititions take a knee jerk reaction to what is perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm. Give it another 10-15 years and they will be back with the ice age theory again......

lol banana...you sound like your too cynical to function. Doesn't the "perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm" that I hear you and lot's of others in this thread go on about take many thousounds of years to cycle through instead of just decades. And how do you know what is "perfectly normal"?... your not 20 000 years old and lived through one of those cycles so you most be relying on scientific research....but hold on you don't trust them!! Oh I see you tuest them when they reinforce your argument.
ps
You haven't gone and lumped a whole bunch of different scientists together in your head to make it all easier to understand have you? So you question the credibility of all scientist today because some prat got it wrong ages ago?!!...


My dear you don't have to be 20,000 years old to have realised the temperatures swing much more frequently than that.....When you have been around long enough you will know.....

PS. By the way i am only 15,000 years old and Dr who is my cousin and tells me a few things.....:bigsmile:

[ange7]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by bananarama
I am old enough to remember that not all that long ago the so called experts on climate change were talking about a new ice age now they have done a "U" turn and think it's a globe on the boil....

I believe the truth to be is that so called experts and polititions take a knee jerk reaction to what is perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm. Give it another 10-15 years and they will be back with the ice age theory again......

lol banana...you sound like your too cynical to function. Doesn't the "perfectly normal global evolution from warm to cold and cold to warm" that I hear you and lot's of others in this thread go on about take many thousounds of years to cycle through instead of just decades. And how do you know what is "perfectly normal"?... your not 20 000 years old and lived through one of those cycles so you most be relying on scientific research....but hold on you don't trust them!! Oh I see you tuest them when they reinforce your argument.
ps
You haven't gone and lumped a whole bunch of different scientists together in your head to make it all easier to understand have you? So you question the credibility of all scientist today because some prat got it wrong ages ago?!!...


My dear you don't have to be 20,000 years old to have realised the temperatures swing much more frequently than that.....When you have been around long enough you will know.....

PS. By the way i am only 15,000 years old and Dr who is my cousin and tells me a few things.....:bigsmile:
awww and condescending too...
No my dear we "don't have to be 20,000 years old to have realised the temperatures swing much more frequently" ... because we have scientists who research that stuff which was the point. You can't question the credibility of ALL scientific research ( you lumped it all together) while at the same time use scientific research to back your argument.

ps re Dr Who ...are you telling me that one of the many voices in your head sounds like Dr Who ...and of all the things to talk about he ( ie you) chooses the topic of historic weather patterns.:tongue:

[Fom]

oo, Ange is on fire!

[ange7]

nah..I'm just stiring... banana has a sense of humour ( hopes)

[arista]

Originally posted by CBB6fanatic
Discuss :spin:



Yes it is a Tax Scam.



What I think is
this Global Warming
will happen anyway.
It is Circle of time.

[Magic]

Global warming is real, and there is no denying the fact that the planet is heating up - the evidence is solid. So to that extent - it IS real.

However, the causes is what I am not 100% sure on, but to summarise I think its mainly been brought about by man - before there was a balance of gases, and slowly the temperature was increasing. However, I think we have knocked this balance out and sped up the process.

[arista]

Originally posted by Magic
Global warming is real, and there is no denying the fact that the planet is heating up - the evidence is solid. So to that extent - it IS real.

However, the causes is what I am not 100% sure on, but to summarise I think its mainly been brought about by man - before there was a balance of gases, and slowly the temperature was increasing. However, I think we have knocked this balance out and sped up the process.




Yes it is Real
and would happen
whatever state we are in.
That is the problem

[andyman]

Total sham.. I won't go into why because i will have to be very scientic and right now i can't be Bovard!! iNiT.

Will people in the future laugh at how we thought the world would end because Man is the reason? Lol... Blah!

[bananarama]

Originally posted by andyman
Total sham.. I won't go into why because i will have to be very scientic and right now i can't be Bovard!! iNiT.

Will people in the future laugh at how we thought the world would end because Man is the reason? Lol... Blah!


Oh......Please i would love to hear your detailed science views....My gut feeling for what that is worth is that the so called global warming is by no means because of man alone......