Do we have homophobic people here?

[DamonJ]

I have never met anyone homophobic, so if I could talk to one with a strong feeling of homophobia, that would be great. I have purely always wanted to know the reasons for homophobia, is it because of what it says in the bible? Or is homosexuality just seen as a digusting act? Being gay myself, I am just really keen to find out why homophobia exists, the reasons behind it.

[Sam!]

Not on here I don't think and even If there was I don't think they would say due to most people then thinking.. woah he/she's homophobic lets hate him/her.

[MrGaryy]

I know HUNDREDS of homophobes. And there are some on this forum. But no one is going to step forwad because most of the time the real perpetrators don't even realise that they hurt people. But even if u say it to them they won't care.

[DamonJ]

I just wonder why people view it as a horrible thing, it is a part of your personality you simply cannot help, it is a contribution to the way you were born and I really am interested on why some people hate on it.

[supernoodles!]

im not homophobic in the slightest but i don`t believe in gay marriage

[Arneldo]

Huh. Gay's are just stupid.

:laugh:

[Rocko]

Originally posted by Scampi
Not on here I don't think and even If there was I don't think they would say due to most people then thinking.. woah he/she's homophobic lets hate him/her.

I am homophobic.:cat:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
i don`t believe in gay marriage

Do you mind me asking why? :bigsmile:

[supernoodles!]

I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

[DamonJ]

So why are some people homophobic then? I REALLY wanna know. :sad:

[Shaun]

I kinda agree with supernoodles on gay marriage - I'm all for it being available for gay couples, but I don't see any reason why anyone would want to get married in general.

But I haven't really seen any homophobia on the forum...since the majority of users are 15-year old bisexuals :tongue:

[Fom]

My brother is homophobic, he hates gay people. Dont understand it tbh, he thinks that all gay people are going to come on to him and make him feel uneasy, and he thinks they are all after him :S

The reasons behind it, if you are actually really homphobic and not just being mean, is that you are genuinely scared of them, they frighten some people apparently, and if you are very very straight and dont mix with other cultures much i suppose its understandable.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

I think that even though it may be viewed as a contradiction, homosexual people also may want to commit their relationship, and being offered the oppurtunity to do so is a great step, however much it contradicts itself. When I find a boyfriend, I'll want to commit my relationship after a few years I think.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by DamonJ
So why are some people homophobic then? I REALLY want to know. :sad:

There's a big thread on it here.

I guess some people are just set in their ways as to what exactly is NORMAL and anything beyond that isn't.

[DamonJ]

Is it obvious I'm gay? :blush:
Cause of my Mean Girls & Britney signatures? :tongue:

[Rocko]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Is it obvious I'm gay? :blush:
Cause of my Mean Girls & Britney signatures? :tongues:

Bit hard to tell on a forum.

I don't think I even think about things like that. I just see a person.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

I think that even though it may be viewed as a contradiction, homosexual people also may want to commit their relationship, and being offered the oppurtunity to do so is a great step, however much it contradicts itself. When I find a boyfriend, I'll want to commit my relationship after a few years I think.

I don`t believe in it but i don`t hold it against gay people if thats what they choose to do.I`ve been to civil partnerships myself ,it would just be my personal choice not to do it if i were gay myself.:bigsmile:

[DamonJ]

I love having insightful discussions.
You're all so polite. :tongue:

[Fom]

Also I dont believe in gay marriage, i believe in civil partnerships. I think its fair gay people can devote their lives to each other LIKE marriage. But marriage is strictly a man and female religious thing, i don't mind if gay people have a marriage themed civil partnership ceremony thats ok lol, but to call it marriage is quite rude to peoples religion.
But there should be no reason why 2 men or 2 women cant be tied together for all their lives.

[jonsep]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

I think that even though it may be viewed as a contradiction, homosexual people also may want to commit their relationship, and being offered the oppurtunity to do so is a great step, however much it contradicts itself. When I find a boyfriend, I'll want to commit my relationship after a few years I think. if everyone adhered to what was written in the bible we wouldnt move outside are doors.its a bit of a digression but i hope you get my point.

[DamonJ]

So however much you are all against gay marriage, you believe in civil partnerships. I agree with that too I think. :spin:

[AngRemembered]

Each to thier own Ive no reason to discriminate someones taste, unless of course they choose Wayne Shrek Rooney to go out with, then I'm almost sick thinking of it.:shocked:

But gay men and woman good luck to them, who is anyone to judge:wink:

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Fom
Also I dont believe in gay marriage, i believe in civil partnerships. I think its fair gay people can devote their lives to each other LIKE marriage. But marriage is strictly a man and female religious thing, i don't mind if gay people have a marriage themed civil partnership ceremony thats ok lol, but to call it marriage is quite rude to peoples religion.
But there should be no reason why 2 men or 2 women cant be tied together for all their lives.


yeah i agree with that,thats sort of what i was trying to say,i find that its a bit ignorant towards religion

[jonsep]

Originally posted by DamonJ
So however much you are all against gay marriage, you believe in civil partnerships. I agree with that too I think. :spin: im not against eiather if you happy and in love isnt that what matters?

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Each to thier own Ive no reason to discriminate someones taste, unless of course they choose Wayne Shrek Rooney to go out with, then I'm almost sick thinking of it.:shocked:

But gay men and woman good luck to them, who is anyone to judge:wink:

LMAO I :lovedup: you Ange!

[rayheartbliss]

i hate luke!

[Tom]

I'm against gay marriage but I'm not really homophobic, I just hate queens, not because they're gay but the way they act.

I'll be honest I'm a bit prejudice about gay people. I tend to have a misty opinion of them but if I ever speak to them I actually find them alright.

[AlexBigBrother]

dunno ive never really hung around with gay people so its hard to know :conf2:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Tom
I'm against gay marriage but I'm not really homophobic, I just hate queens, not because they're gay but the way they act.

I'd agree with that. =D
They're gay, but they flaunt it because they think they'll gain popularity by it, it's stupid.

[bronaaaa]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Is it obvious I'm gay? :blush:
Cause of my Mean Girls & Britney signatures? :tongue:

I diddnt know you were untill i read this thread

[Fom]

Originally posted by Tom
I'm against gay marriage but I'm not really homophobic, I just hate queens, not because they're gay but the way they act.

Thats not homophobic haha thats just common sense. I cant stand them, the only time I can stand really camp guys is when they dress up as drag queens. Because I find it funny but guys jumping around screaming and acting like a girl does make me feel uneasy. Thats me being honest :)
I dont like sugar coating things lol.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Fascination
Originally posted by DamonJ
Is it obvious I'm gay? :blush:
Cause of my Mean Girls & Britney signatures? :tongue:

I diddnt know you were untill i read this thread

Everyone who meets me in person are like "Are you gay?" cause it is so obvious. :tongue:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Tom
I'm against gay marriage but I'm not really homophobic, I just hate queens, not because they're gay but the way they act.

Thats not homophobic haha thats just common sense. I cant stand them, the only time I can stand really camp guys is when they dress up as drag queens. Because I find it funny but guys jumping around screaming and acting like a girl does make me feel uneasy. Thats me being honest :)
I dont like sugar coating things lol.

I just thought I'd say that in case we have a member of the PC brigade on here who would accuse me of being homophobic from that phrase. I have other reasons, mainly religious, for that :joker:

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

The bible also says (I read this somewhere) that basically people can be in love people and that the only reason that homosexuality is only deemed wrong when a man or woman settles down with someone of the same sex because it defeats reporduction.

Obviously it's much deeper than that but thats the watered down version I got.

[MrGaryy]

It's annoying when like my sister (who doesn't know I'm gay) says things like "Ooh thats an awful gay name!" (She pregnant) or describing something "As gay as christmas".

[Tom]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

The bible also says (I read this somewhere) that basically people can be in love people and that the only reason that homosexuality is only deemed wrong when a man or woman settles down with someone of the same sex because it defeats reporduction.

Obviously it's much deeper than that but thats the watered down version I got.

But theres a massive passage in the Bible (I can't quote it off the top of my head) which goes through every possibility of sleeping with someone/something, and they are all condemned except for if you're in marriage and if you're trying to have a baby, so I suppose thats fuel to throw on to the fire. How can people who claim to be religious be homophobic when they've had sex outside of marriage?

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Tom
I'm against gay marriage but I'm not really homophobic, I just hate queens, not because they're gay but the way they act.

Thats not homophobic haha thats just common sense. I cant stand them, the only time I can stand really camp guys is when they dress up as drag queens. Because I find it funny but guys jumping around screaming and acting like a girl does make me feel uneasy. Thats me being honest :)
I dont like sugar coating things lol.

OH..DENNIS!

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

The bible also says (I read this somewhere) that basically people can be in love people and that the only reason that homosexuality is only deemed wrong when a man or woman settles down with someone of the same sex because it defeats reporduction.

Obviously it's much deeper than that but thats the watered down version I got.

yeah which is still what i said really,there saying gay marriage is wrong becuase after marriage obviously your supposed to be monogamous and therefore if your gay you wont be able to reproduce.:hugesmile:

[geoking66]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
I just think its a contradiction,the bible says that being gay is wrong (which i don`t agree with),so i don`t understand why gay people would want to make a christian commitment when the christian religion says that its wrong.Does that make sense?

However, marriage has been secularised and was originally not a Christian ceremony or sacrament. Marriage has been around almost as long as civilisation; the concept has yet to change despite having different names and entitlements around the world. The problem, especially in the US, is that marriage gives couples multitudes of legal benefits otherwise unavailable. If the state is to deny such couples the right, it not only violates numerous human rights treaties that the UK has signed but also creates a "separate but equal" (in the case of civil unions) and inferiority scale that is completely unnecessary.

[FrenchAffair]

I don't approve of what gays do, but i'm not scared of them.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair
I don't approve of what gays do, but i'm not scared of them.

Wait you don't approve of a minorty!?!?!? thats so unlike you!

[Ross]

I don't like really camp guys, or guys that flaunt being gay.

Me being bi, and slightly going towards the men side more I really don't like people flaunting it. I don't like straight people flaunting it either, like if their out and all over girls etc.

I like straight guys who play on gay/bi guys though. Just for a bit of fun. But hey, maybe that's just me being easy. :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

I wanna know why people hate homosexuals too, its annoying, they should just accept it

[AlexBigBrother]

i dont gettit, dont really have a problem with it, like with anything you get good people and you get bad people, sexuality realy isnt that much of a deal

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Chewy
I want to know why people hate homosexuals too, its annoying, they should just accept it

Okay, I'm not homophobic in the slightest - but why should they just accept it?

I don't condone their beliefs at all, quite the opposite, but why would someone accept something they're against? They won't "stop" it, I know, but you wouldn't just sit back and accept something you're against.

That said, I do appreciate your point in that more often than not there's no reason for their beliefs at all other than ignorance.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by AlexBigBrother
i dont gettit, dont really have a problem with it, like with anything you get good people and you get bad people, sexuality realy isnt that much of a deal

There really isn't a **** load to "get". Gay people like members of the same sex and straight people like people of the opposite sex. It's hardly rocket science.

[FrenchAffair]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by FrenchAffair
I don't approve of what gays do, but i'm not scared of them.

Wait you don't approve of a minorty!?!?!? thats so unlike you!

I am French-Canadian, I am a minority.

Homosexuals can't be described as a "minority" as they are not a visible minority... if homosexuals are a protected group than should any other group based on personal choice.

[secrets]

well.......i,m in a civil partnership ,and i think gay people should have the same rights as marrieds,you must remember that before civil partnerships ,if one partner died the remaining partner was most likely to lose their home because of the tax issues.! even if it was a lifelong partnership the remaining partner had no rights at all.

but a gay 'marriage' as opposed to a civil partnership,no no.!
dont get me started about religion.:yuk:

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

I'm noy bovered by gay but I would NEVER EVER be one

[Sticks]

OK

First of all I do not like the word Homophobia, as it implies people are scared of men, if you look at the Greek origins of how the word breaks down.

Homo = Man (See Homo Sapien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._sapiens), Homo Erectus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Erectus), Homo Hibilis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis))

Phobia = Fear (See Phobos the attendent of Mars)

What you are talking about are people who hate homosexuals and lesbians.

Incidentally the legislation we had was against only men and there never were any restrictions on women because when the laws were brought in, Queen Victoria refused to believe Lesbianism existed.

On another point, there are religions, notable the monotheistic religions that have laws against certain sexual practices, not just homosexual practice. The laws in Leviticus 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=31) come to mind.

I can not speak for Judaism and Islam, but we also see homosexual practice condemnned in the New Testament, notably Romans 1:24-27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:24-27;&version=31;)

There is no way arround it, the Bible labels Homosexual practice as sin, just as it labels other things as sin. What ever their feelings or inclination to "Live and let live", Christians are bound by that law.

That said, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-11;&version=31;) points out that people can repent from that, which is what haters over look. Biblically people can change, so hating people is still wrong.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
Leviticus 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=31)

Thats the passage I was referring to earlier on, thanks for that

[Firewire]

I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

[FrenchAffair]

Originally posted by Firewire
I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

Maybe thats just how others precive you.

[Tom4784]

I think everyone desreves to be happy whether it's with a man and woman. So i say like who you like, love who you love all that matters is that you are happy together, screw everyone else's opinions!

[Conor]

Self confessed homophobe here. Probably due to my dad and grandads strong hatred towards the group. My mum doesn't have any problem with them though.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Conor
Self confessed homophobe here. Probably due to my dad and grandads strong hatred towards the group. My mum doesn't have any problem with them though.

+K for having the courage to admit it on a public forum =D

[Conor]

No need, but thanks :)

[Sticks]

The concept of this word implies hatred, but following the Biblical injunction does not mean the hatred of the person, but of the practice. 1 Corinthians 6 is quite clear, people who were involved, did repent.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
The concept of this word implies hatred, but following the Biblical injunction does not mean the hatred of the person, but of the practice. 1 Corinthians 6 is quite clear, people who were involved, did repent.

But words evolve.

[Nurse57]

"Self confessed homophobe here."

What would you do if you have a child that turns out to be gay?

[Ella]

No. I cannot stand homophobics. They actually do make me feel sick, Its usually aimed more at Gay Men, Rather then Gay Women, I don't know why this is. My brother came out as Gay years ago and my whole family had no problem with it, He knew what he was and that he was totally gay, He has had boyfriends but just recently moved into his own place with his long term fella.

Thankfully he has never had any trouble with homophobics (touch wood) But if he did he would know how to deal with it.

Most Women would love to have a gay best friend!!

[kerri]

ive not got a prob with gay people ive got some decent friends who are gay. each to there own i say x x x

[Ella]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"Self confessed homophobe here."

What would you do if you have a child that turns out to be gay?

If my Daughter turned round to me and told me she was Gay, I'd be totally fine with it, Its her life, her choice. I'll always be her Mum and always lover her no matter what choices she makes in her life.

[Nurse57]

My question was aimed at Conor, but I guess all can answer.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Ella
No. I cannot stand homophobics. They actually do make me feel sick, Its usually aimed more at Gay Men, Rather then Gay Women, I don't know why this is. My brother came out as Gay years ago and my whole family had no problem with it, He knew what he was and that he was totally gay, He has had boyfriends but just recently moved into his own place with his long term fella.

Thankfully he has never had any trouble with homophobics (touch wood) But if he did he would know how to deal with it.

Most Women would love to have a gay best friend!!


To clarify. The following is not a statement from a homophobic but from someone who believes that people of differing beliefs and instincts should not be tagged as some sort of social wrong doer. Read on please.......

Some people may be homophobic because of their religious beliefs. When you state you cannot stand homophobics you are in effect saying you are phobic about someone elses belief. Thus that makes you every bit as bad as a homophobic.

Although not all sexual orientations and beliefs can be accepted at least we should all try to respect that there are differences and stop labelling someone with a differt belief as some sort of villain.....

It is also foolish to assume that homophobics hate gay people. If it is part of a religious belief then it is the act of homosexuality that is considered wrong but hatred of the individuals may not be the case. The sexual orientation not the people....

I understand your post is a defensive stance. probably because you fear for your brother that he may be discriminated against at some point in his life.

[Sunny_01]

I think if more people let others live their lives in whichever way they chose we would have so much more time on our hands to do and say more constructive things.

I think someone else summed it up when they said we should be free to love who we love regardless of their gender without fear of others reactions to it.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think if more people let others live their lives in whichever way they chose we would have so much more time on our hands to do and say more constructive things.

I think someone else summed it up when they said we should be free to love who we love regardless of their gender without fear of others reactions to it.


That would be a perfect world of which will never happen or even become close to happening...

On the flip side of the logic people should also be free to have whatever reactions they instinctively have.......What they should not be free to do is act in a harmfull way reactions that are negative to another persons way of life.. As you said but in a different way......

[Annie]

My dad is homophobic which I don't understand as my little brother is gay. My dad once said to me when I was 13 "I wouldnt mind if you were pregnant as a teen but if you ever came home and said you were a lesbian I would throw you out"
Lucky I aint then eh?!

But I think in the older generation its because it was always frowned upon. Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

I love the fact that my brother is gay though as I am happy that he is confident enough in himself to do what he wants to do even though he knew my dads feelings.

I also love gay guys - more the camp gay to be honest - they are just always so bubbly and enjoyers of life and thats nice to see.

:bouncy:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Annie
Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

As I mentioned earlier, Homosexuality is condemned as a sin in both Old Testament and New Testament

Leviticus 18 and Romans 1 come to mind, but it is also mentioned elsewhere in the New Testament.

[geoking66]

Originally posted by Sticks
OK

First of all I do not like the word Homophobia, as it implies people are scared of men, if you look at the Greek origins of how the word breaks down.

Homo = Man (See Homo Sapien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._sapiens), Homo Erectus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Erectus), Homo Hibilis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis))

Phobia = Fear (See Phobos the attendent of Mars)

What you are talking about are people who hate homosexuals and lesbians.

Incidentally the legislation we had was against only men and there never were any restrictions on women because when the laws were brought in, Queen Victoria refused to believe Lesbianism existed.

On another point, there are religions, notable the monotheistic religions that have laws against certain sexual practices, not just homosexual practice. The laws in Leviticus 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=31) come to mind.

I can not speak for Judaism and Islam, but we also see homosexual practice condemnned in the New Testament, notably Romans 1:24-27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:24-27;&version=31;)

There is no way arround it, the Bible labels Homosexual practice as sin, just as it labels other things as sin. What ever their feelings or inclination to "Live and let live", Christians are bound by that law.

That said, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-11;&version=31;) points out that people can repent from that, which is what haters over look. Biblically people can change, so hating people is still wrong.

I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by Annie
My dad is homophobic which I don't understand as my little brother is gay. My dad once said to me when I was 13 "I wouldnt mind if you were pregnant as a teen but if you ever came home and said you were a lesbian I would throw you out"
Lucky I aint then eh?!

But I think in the older generation its because it was always frowned upon. Its always said to be against the bible which may be where my dad is coming from.

I love the fact that my brother is gay though as I am happy that he is confident enough in himself to do what he wants to do even though he knew my dads feelings.

I also love gay guys - more the camp gay to be honest - they are just always so bubbly and enjoyers of life and thats nice to see.


:bouncy:

most gays i've seen are also
pr*cks like most straight boy! XD

[Tom]

Originally posted by geoking66
Originally posted by Sticks
OK

First of all I do not like the word Homophobia, as it implies people are scared of men, if you look at the Greek origins of how the word breaks down.

Homo = Man (See Homo Sapien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._sapiens), Homo Erectus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_Erectus), Homo Hibilis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_habilis))

Phobia = Fear (See Phobos the attendent of Mars)

What you are talking about are people who hate homosexuals and lesbians.

Incidentally the legislation we had was against only men and there never were any restrictions on women because when the laws were brought in, Queen Victoria refused to believe Lesbianism existed.

On another point, there are religions, notable the monotheistic religions that have laws against certain sexual practices, not just homosexual practice. The laws in Leviticus 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018&version=31) come to mind.

I can not speak for Judaism and Islam, but we also see homosexual practice condemnned in the New Testament, notably Romans 1:24-27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201:24-27;&version=31;)

There is no way arround it, the Bible labels Homosexual practice as sin, just as it labels other things as sin. What ever their feelings or inclination to "Live and let live", Christians are bound by that law.

That said, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206:9-11;&version=31;) points out that people can repent from that, which is what haters over look. Biblically people can change, so hating people is still wrong.

I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

Where do you think laws came from? The Bible enforced moral laws, which subsequently because legal laws when they were introduced many years ago. They've been adapted over the decades to fit our lifestyles. At one point the laws would have been what the Bible said.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by geoking66
I've never understood the Bible logic. First, the Bible is NOT a definitive source for laws. Second, if you play an instrument, work on a Sunday, wearing pants if you're a woman, et alii you're supposed to go to hell, but Christians do that all the time…

Also, the Classics person in me wants you to know that "homo" is Latin.

I concede that Homo is from the Latin, I should have realised when I was listing those names of men and so called fossil man, species names are always given in Latin

http://www.bautforum.com/images/smilies/doh.gif

This makes the word homophobia even more odd, as Phobia comes from the Greek. So we have a word that is a combination of both Latin and Greek.

Is that allowed in English?

As for the other points, sorry about this but I do need to respond here.

For the Christian, it is the New Testament that we use for law in matters of faith, worship and moral guidance. The Old Testament is for teaching now, since the old law was nailed to the cross when Jesus died. (Colossians 2:14) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=colossians%202:14&version=31), so even the ten commandments strictly speaking no longer apply, however most of them were copied across into the New Covenant, only one was not copied across.

This leads on to one of the other points raised, working on Sunday. The Sabbath commandment, was never copied across into the new covenant, so it does not apply. Also the Sabbath was for the last day of the week, which is Saturday. Christians meet on Sunday, which is the first day of the week, (See Acts 20:7) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2020:7;&version=31;)

The one of women wearing trousers, I do believe you are referring to Deuteronomy 22:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=22&verse=5&version=31&context=verse) which prohibited cross dressing. Once again, Old Law.

This leaves playing an instrument. Well according to the New Testament, there is no authorisation for the use of musical instruments in worship. Outside of worship, not a problem.

Now as for Hell, that is actually what happens to those who reject the Gospel (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%201:7-9%20;&version=31;), but according to the New Testament, that is not what God wants for anyone (See 2 Peter 3:9) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Peter%203:9&version=31) which was why he sent his son (John 3:16) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:16&version=31)

Getting back on topic, there are people who hold to a religious belief, and in that system homosexuality is considered a sin. However, going around beating people up and discriminating against people is also not allowed, so hating people should not be the order of the day.

[AngRemembered]

Jesus came to fulfill the mosaic law, and open the way for Gods chosen people to come from all races and creeds across the new and changing world the new found christianity would influence.

Its not surprising our modern english words are Latin and Greek influenced as they more than any world powers formed the backbone of language across europe where the empires of this modern world later extended across the globe.

In christianity we have few laws as such, as Jesus showed his followers principles which were of better vlaue and are much tougher to break.
In the Jewish law you treated others as you would have them treat you.
An easy loop hole as Jews shared amongst thier closest and a selfish attitude became the consequence, so if you had 2 loaves you could share with your brother and eat youself.
Jesus however showed us principles to love others as I have loved you, now given you have one loaf you go without and your brother is fortunate to be able to eat that day, a principle is always much tighter morally and personally to hold close to your heart, as Jesus "laid down his life for his friends"

So to the laws regarding immoral conduct, of whatever description, Jesus answered those about to stone a prostitute with the words, "let he without sin caste the first stone", Jesus told them he wasnt there to "judge" just as others who had now left were no longer in judgement.
However Jesus asked her to go make peace with God who would be her only judge as to what her heart condition is.
So too we must not be judges, whatever the views on the practise of homo sexuality it is not for man to judge, and those that throw any figurative verbal stone are foolish indeed for doing so.

[Sticks]

Much of that I could go along with, when Jesus came the first time, it was not to judge but to save, but read John 12:48 (If I have that citation right), as it says there is a judge for those who do not heed the word, even though it won't be any of us.

We are not to cast judgements, Romans 14 makes that quite clear, but the New Testament lays down specific rules for Christians to try and live by.

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by Conor
Self confessed homophobe here. Probably due to my dad and grandads strong hatred towards the group. My mum doesn't have any problem with them though.
I have no problem with what I dub articulate homophobes but you shot yourself in the foot with that one. You are homophobe mainly down to your dad and grandad?

***

Moving on, thats what I cant stand. Most people your age will go ''Its coz d bible sez its a sin innit'' but do those same people read the bible? You can bet your bottom dollar they dont.

**** reason number 2 : ''It not natural coz it dont make ne babies neway like innit'' ... well yes, it is not procreative, but neither is contraceptive sex. You can bet many people who use that excuse ALSO would have no problem having contraceptive sex.

Seriously, form your own opinions folks. Thats something that takes bravery. Its much too easy to get your opinions from something carved in a rock or found in a cave. Theirs plenty of straight people to procreate and make the world go around. Why on earth would somebody care what two men decide to do with each other. It is not you. Those who have a life get on with it. Those who dont interefere in the lives of others.

[Firewire]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair
Originally posted by Firewire
I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

Maybe thats just how others precive you.

What does he mean by that. I can't exactly ask him as he has been banned.

[secrets]

if everyone got on with their own lives instead of poking into others bussiness of how we should live,then the world would be a far nicer and safer place.!
do i care what any 'straight'couples do..........certainly not,its not my bussiness.
regarding Christian religion: well its been around for only 2,000 years,which in the grand scheme is nothing,and yet more wars are carried out in the name of religion in those 2,000 years than any other.!
i have a strong faith,but in my eyes God never condemns anyone who lives life kindly and shows an abiding respect for their fellow man.
sex plays such a small part in our daily lives that the ones who want to blow it out of all proportion,i just say,please get a life.!

but methinks some do protest too much?
now thats another side of the dice.???

[Very_Nayce]

The thing that bothers me is most people are not articulate homophobes. Most working class people just dont like the character of being gay full stop. Its just petty hate. Nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

At least those who are against same sex because an ancient book tells them are *slightly* more logical.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Very_Nayce
The thing that bothers me is most people are not articulate homophobes. Most working class people just dont like the character of being gay full stop. Its just petty hate. Nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

At least those who are against same sex because an ancient book tells them are *slightly* more logical.

People often grow up with the opinions of their parents pushed on to them and sometimes thats quite hard to change. It might not be illogical if you go back a generation or so.

[M X]

I have spent a long time wondering why people are homophobic!?! I know lots! It annoys me. I do support gay marriage. I think that as long as it's love than why should it just be some sort of contract. I do believe that in certain aspects of religion people are hypocrits. (If that's how you spell it) because things like, if your married, but you admire Brad Pitt for his looks, that would mean your being sexually imoral? Or some religious people believe that if you own a mirror, that's vanity.

I truley support gay people everywhere and I support religious people. Only, when religious people say they hate gay people (obviously not you guys) that is going against the bible as it is discrimination. In my eyes, homophobia is no different to racism. Bullying someone for a way they can't help being.

Just my opinion.

xxx

[M X]

Originally posted by Firewire
I am not homophobic in the slightest. Everybody in my school is homophobic though. There was a gay guy and a lesbian in my school but they left. People call me gay all the time even when I am not. So they start laughing (very homophobic in my opinion). They also call things gay for a laugh (in my opinion not funny. lol). I never call anyone or anything gay.

Same here. At my school everyone is homophobic. Well, apart from me and my group of friends. We hate homophobs. But, what I have tried to do is just look past them. Think, your the one's living a hatred life! Your the one's who are (in my eyes) racist! And your the one's who are pathetic!

Just take no notice. To prove your not gay, try and get a girlfriend. If that dosen't work out, just laugh at the homophobes.

In my school, when people ask me or my friends if were gay we just say "Yeah..Totally!". The person is shocked because they expect you to go "Eww..No!!". Besides me and my friends are classed as hippies to them but oh well...

xxx

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Very_Nayce
The thing that bothers me is most people are not articulate homophobes. Most working class people just dont like the character of being gay full stop. Its just petty hate. Nothing whatsoever to do with religion.

At least those who are against same sex because an ancient book tells them are *slightly* more logical.

People often grow up with the opinions of their parents pushed on to them and sometimes thats quite hard to change. It might not be illogical if you go back a generation or so.
I know. Thats essentialy what I was pointing out and taking issue with in my post.

It still is no excuse though. People should stop and have a think about EVERYTHING once they reach a certain age, and stop acting a certin way just because their parents are that way.

Then again, churches around the world would be a lot emptier if that happened :laugh:

[Conzors]

Norpe.
Im Not Homophobic.

i Kinda Agree With Damon.

Im Bi. And Like I just want to know why people are homophobic!. LOL.

Were not that scary. :P LOL.

[pinkmichk]

i dont really see the need for people to be homophobic live and let live i say love is love regardless of what sex person you fall for i am bi and having nothing against hetrosexual people so cant see the issue the other way round yes some people have the religious side but like someone else said contraception isnt exactly helping procreation
as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge
before i started coming out i was worried some of my friends (mostly girls) would be concerned it meant i was gonna jump them when to be fair i dont do it to men so not gonna do it to women either
my fav quote is those who mind dont matter and those who matter dont mind so if someone is homophobic towards you ignore them cos clearly they arent worth it

[MrGaryy]

Well after last night I now know there is one EXTREMLY homophobic person on here one who I bared the brunt of his homopbia.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by pinkmichk

as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge


wierd for you to say that!

i swear, you supported the B*itch team! O.o

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Well after last night I now know there is one EXTREMLY homophobic person on here one who I bared the brunt of his homopbia.
Name and shame.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Very_Nayce
Originally posted by Gazbo
Well after last night I now know there is one EXTREMLY homophobic person on here one who I bared the brunt of his homopbia.
Name and shame.

I don't think that would be very dignified of me. But don't worry - they'll get whats coming to them.

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Very_Nayce
Originally posted by Gazbo
Well after last night I now know there is one EXTREMLY homophobic person on here one who I bared the brunt of his homopbia.
Name and shame.

I don't think that would be very dignified of me. But don't worry - they'll get whats coming to them.
Sorry, no pressure. My opinion is just ''Why respect their right to privacy if their not going to respect my right to do what I want in privacy?''.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Very_Nayce
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Very_Nayce
Originally posted by Gazbo
Well after last night I now know there is one EXTREMLY homophobic person on here one who I bared the brunt of his homopbia.
Name and shame.

I don't think that would be very dignified of me. But don't worry - they'll get whats coming to them.
Sorry, no pressure. My opinion is just ''Why respect their right to privacy if their not going to respect my right to do what I want in privacy?''.

It's okay. All I'm saying is - there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
Originally posted by pinkmichk

as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge


wierd for you to say that!

i swear, you supported the B*itch team! O.o
:conf: eh??

[sexy_leigh]

Originally posted by DamonJ
I have never met anyone homophobic, so if I could talk to one with a strong feeling of homophobia, that would be great. I have purely always wanted to know the reasons for homophobia, is it because of what it says in the bible? Or is homosexuality just seen as a digusting act? Being gay myself, I am just really keen to find out why homophobia exists, the reasons behind it.
my dad is homophobic and i don't know why, he is so close minded as he would disown me if i was a lesbian and my brothers if they were gay as he thinks it's disgusting, i'm not gonna say i'm the number one fan of gay relationships but everyone has their own preference if my friends or family members such as my children were gay i would accept that as they are my children and as long as they are happy i'm happy

[kerri]

hear hear gazbo and very well put x x x

[Saph]

Homophobic people suck tbh :l

[Tom]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
Originally posted by DamonJ
I have never met anyone homophobic, so if I could talk to one with a strong feeling of homophobia, that would be great. I have purely always wanted to know the reasons for homophobia, is it because of what it says in the bible? Or is homosexuality just seen as a digusting act? Being gay myself, I am just really keen to find out why homophobia exists, the reasons behind it.
my dad is homophobic and i don't know why, he is so close minded as he would disown me if i was a lesbian and my brothers if they were gay as he thinks it's disgusting, i'm not going to say i'm the number one fan of gay relationships but everyone has their own preference if my friends or family members such as my children were gay i would accept that as they are my children and as long as they are happy i'm happy

There is a definite frowning upon it from older generations just as there is racism etc. There just simply wasn't the acceptance 20+ years ago as there is today.

But when people say "homophobes are disgusting", I think the person who says that is worse than a homophobe, and I don't think homophobes are that bad ... People are entitled to their opinion and sometimes people can't change their opinions just like that. Religion and background play a massive role IMO. I know this is going to sound silly but being homophobic isn't necessarily someones fault.

[Matt10k]

Strange to think it was illegal in the uk just 40 years ago.

This may be part of the reason why older generations still frown upon it?

I'm not excusing them- just trying to give an explanation. They then pass their views on to their children which is how younger generations become homophobic.

[Very_Nayce]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by sexy_leigh
Originally posted by DamonJ
I have never met anyone homophobic, so if I could talk to one with a strong feeling of homophobia, that would be great. I have purely always wanted to know the reasons for homophobia, is it because of what it says in the bible? Or is homosexuality just seen as a digusting act? Being gay myself, I am just really keen to find out why homophobia exists, the reasons behind it.
my dad is homophobic and i don't know why, he is so close minded as he would disown me if i was a lesbian and my brothers if they were gay as he thinks it's disgusting, i'm not going to say i'm the number one fan of gay relationships but everyone has their own preference if my friends or family members such as my children were gay i would accept that as they are my children and as long as they are happy i'm happy

There is a definite frowning upon it from older generations just as there is racism etc. There just simply wasn't the acceptance 20+ years ago as there is today.

But when people say "homophobes are disgusting", I think the person who says that is worse than a homophobe, and I don't think homophobes are that bad ... People are entitled to their opinion and sometimes people can't change their opinions just like that. Religion and background play a massive role IMO. I know this is going to sound silly but being homophobic isn't necessarily someones fault.
Kudos to the smart homophobes, but most of them ARE just ignorant idiots who are homophobic by default. Like I said, these are the people who never read the bible but activley tell people the bible condemns homosexuality.

On a basic level, screwing all the eye for an eye and freedom of speech bullshit, non homophobic people are more open minded than homophobic people, so I have no problem with people saying homophobes are disgusting. Most of them are. Not all, but most.

Its the same as people saying ''its their law and we have to respect that'' when talking about the discrimination and severe punishments in middle eastern countries. Soverign state or not, **** that. We still have the right to say they are absoloutely wrong.

Im not respecting unjust things just because im told to or because ''its their right''.

[Sod_James]

I dont mind ppl having opinions and such. if they dont like gay/bi ppl then thats up to them. its when they start taking the piss out of gay people that annoys me.

I hope there are no homophobic people on here. im not homophobic but im gay as well so i cant be lol.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Strange to think it was illegal in the uk just 40 years ago.


Woah, that is weird! Illegal, damn. Must have been so scary back then for men who dug men folk.

[rayheartbliss]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
Originally posted by rayheartbliss
Originally posted by pinkmichk

as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge


wierd for you to say that!

i swear, you supported the B*itch team! O.o
:conf: eh??

you supported the B*Tch team didnt you, and you said "as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge"

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Rocko
Originally posted by Matt10k
Strange to think it was illegal in the uk just 40 years ago.


Woah, that is weird! Illegal, damn. Must have been so scary back then for men who dug men folk.

Love the new avatar!:thumbs::lovedup::joker:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Very_Nayce
Kudos to the smart homophobes, but most of them ARE just ignorant idiots who are homophobic by default. Like I said, these are the people who never read the bible but activley tell people the bible condemns homosexuality.

On a basic level, screwing all the eye for an eye and freedom of speech bullshit, non homophobic people are more open minded than homophobic people, so I have no problem with people saying homophobes are disgusting. Most of them are. Not all, but most.

Its the same as people saying ''its their law and we have to respect that'' when talking about the discrimination and severe punishments in middle eastern countries. Soverign state or not, **** that. We still have the right to say they are absoloutely wrong.

Im not respecting unjust things just because Im told to or because ''its their right''.

That can easily be turned back around onto the argument in a bad light. If its fine for people to say that people are immoral for doing something thousands of miles away that doesn't affect you in any way, why is that any different to claiming being gay is immoral when 5% of the UK population (about 3m people) are thought to be gay despite it not affecting their life in any way?

[Sticks]

It is not that some do not like people who may be of a certain orientation, just that for religious reasons, they are not able to condone their lifestyle choice.

[Rocko]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Rocko
Originally posted by Matt10k
Strange to think it was illegal in the uk just 40 years ago.


Woah, that is weird! Illegal, damn. Must have been so scary back then for men who dug men folk.

Love the new avatar!:thumbs::lovedup::joker:

Cheers! LOL :laugh: actual life size. Pocket friendly.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
It is not that some do not like people who may be of a certain orientation, just that for religious reasons, they are not able to condone their lifestyle choice.


Exactly.......

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
Originally posted by pinkmichk
Originally posted by rayheartbliss
Originally posted by pinkmichk

as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge


wierd for you to say that!

i swear, you supported the B*itch team! O.o
:conf: eh??

you supported the B*Tch team didnt you, and you said "as long as people arent harming others then who are we as individuals to judge"

nope i didnt

[M X]

Homophobic people! Grrr...I hate them! :X!!!!

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by TheMichaelO
Homophobic people! Grrr...I hate them! :X!!!!

You're only allowed to have two banners!:thumbs:

[Tom]

Originally posted by TheMichaelO
Homophobic people! Grrr...I hate them! :X!!!!

That generalisation makes you no better than them IMO.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by TheMichaelO
Homophobic people! Grrr...I hate them! :X!!!!

That generalisation makes you no better than them IMO.


Exactly.....Two hates don't make a right..........

[xDramatick]

I'm sure there are a few on the forum, I've reported quite a few posts for the use of offensive gay terms, which I do find offensive [as a gay male]

I personally find most gay terms offensive [fag, **** etc], and obviously I'm totally against homophobia [having received abuse in the past]

There's never any need to use someone's sexuality against them.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Darenn
I'm sure there are a few on the forum, I've reported quite a few posts for the use of offensive gay terms, which I do find offensive [as a gay male]

I personally find most gay terms offensive [fag, **** etc], and obviously I'm totally against homophobia [having received abuse in the past]

There's never any need to use someone's sexuality against them.

I don't see the point in being homophobic just for the sake of it (ie insulting someone just because of that) but as someone who is gay can you personally see why people might be homophobic towards you for (example) religious reasons and think there is anything wrong with that?

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

Originally posted by Darenn
I'm sure there are a few on the forum, I've reported quite a few posts for the use of offensive gay terms, which I do find offensive [as a gay male]

I personally find most gay terms offensive [fag, **** etc], and obviously I'm totally against homophobia [having received abuse in the past]

There's never any need to use someone's sexuality against them.


Oh so that's why you like Dennis

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by CallumJoshuaSturt
Originally posted by Darenn
I'm sure there are a few on the forum, I've reported quite a few posts for the use of offensive gay terms, which I do find offensive [as a gay male]

I personally find most gay terms offensive [fag, **** etc], and obviously I'm totally against homophobia [having received abuse in the past]

There's never any need to use someone's sexuality against them.


Oh so that's why you like Dennis

...huh?
care to elaborate, I don't get your point.

&Tom, I can see why people would be against it and although I'll admit I don't like it, but I'll accept it as long as it's not harming/offending anyone? There's a difference between having a negative opinion on homosexuals, and displaying acts of abuse towards them because of that opinion. So yeah, I can see why people could be homophobic and I'll accept that up until it starts turning into abuse.

[bigbr0ther]

Wow, I'm not even gay and I was offended reading the posts against Darenn. Tom has often contributed good posts that I've agreed with but I'm surprised that he would post something that is, in my opinion, homophobic. Personally I think Callum just isn't very intelligent but I really am surprised at Tom's post. Homophobia has nothing to do with religion, and I say that as an Episcopalian who supports equal rights for gays.

[30stone]

I know a few people that makes jokes but usually all in good fun.

I dont have a problem with it.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Wow, I'm not even gay and I was offended reading the posts against Darenn.

Thank you<3
I wish I'd seen this post earlier :\ lol.
But yeah, thanks<3

[*mazedsalv**]

I am not homophobic in any way. I get annoyed when some people I know are, I get so fustrated, I shouted at my friend for being out of order... he then stopped.

Its fine if your homophobic, thats what people are like, they should keep it to themselves, but going around in public and dissing gay people just annoys me soo much.