The embarrasing "Golliwog" story

[Lauren]

LMFAO!! Ang!! I just laughed for like 10 minutes. Seriously.

I still can't stop laughing.

Is this serious? You went to your daughters school dressed as a big Golliwog? HAHAHAHA.

[Jackie]

I used to collect the tokens on the jars back in the 70s and got a golliwog badge i used to wear it than and nothing used to be said its not accepatable anymore.


Political correctness gone to far.

[Dizzy]

Oh my god... That made me laugh so much! I can just imagine it xD

[Fom]

hahaha, oh gosh Ang. Only you could do that :P That was a good read, thanks for cheering me up after a hard day at work.
I bought my mum a golliwog the other week from blackpool, she loves it :) She see's them in the card shop every time we walk past and always complains about wanting one so I got her a mini one with money left over from Rock haha.

[*mazedsalv**]

haha I can just see that happening :tongue:, I can just imagine that in my school.

[Tom]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

OK I should calm down a bit BUT

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

[Fom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Fom
hahaha, oh gosh Ang. Only you could do that :P That was a good read, thanks for cheering me up after a hard day at work.
I bought my mum a golliwog the other week from blackpool, she loves it :) She see's them in the card shop every time we walk past and always complains about wanting one so I got her a mini one with money left over from Rock haha.

Awww, glad to have made you happy, this has had us all laffing this weekend I've had to search for the doll all day to post a pic as some may not know what one is.
If ever you see a bigger one on sale please please let me know where and I'll be on my way to buy it, the one in the pic is about 4 inches high, I want the big one :wink:

In fact I do know where they sell a massive one haha, there is one in the shop quite near my house and it reaches above your knee... dressed in red and black pin stripes :joker:

Do you really fancy travelling to manchester for a Golliwog though? haha ... in fact dont answer that :wink:

[Lauren]

Good luck trying to find one to buy Ang. Very few shops stock them now cos they usually get fined £1000 if anyone complains about them. :sad: Fom, you were actually quite lucky to get one (and to know other shops that sell them :shocked:).

[MR.K!]

:laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Lauren
Good luck trying to find one to buy Ang. Very few shops stock them now cos they usually get fined £1000 if anyone complains about them. :sad: Fom, you were actually quite lucky to get one (and to know other shops that sell them :shocked:).

WOW!!!!!! £1000 fine, dear lord, and yet a knife is what, 37p? or has it finally gone up now?

How ridiculous:rolleyes:, think I may have to get my bow tie out of retirement and this time show up at 10 Downing Street:joker:

Its just because some people use golliwog as a racist term so that obviously means the dolls are offensive :rolleyes:

What planet these people live on I don't know.

[Ross]

LOL. I have never laughed so much in my life, thank you Angie. That was a great read! I love you. :joker:

[Fom]

Tell you what, next time I go down to the town center I will take a picture of the Golliwogs on sale, they have been in the window for about... a year now? I dont think they have ever been sold but no one really cares about them.
Tbh, if kids have multi rational dolls the better.

[xDramatick]

LOL ANGIE! I laughed so much.

My mum LOVES them, she's not racist, she thinks they're cute.
When we went to great yarmouth, she bought a doll for only a fiver and a fridge magnet for even less, they're really cheap in coast places.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Tom
:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

OK I should calm down a bit BUT

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

LMAO!! Tom, It was a long enough story but so many other little things made it funnier too, for example

Whilst waiting in reception looking like a tw****...well no actually looking like a huge Golliwog.
Some woman just nonchalantly asks me directions how to get to Cheam high Street, and i'm like...WTF cant you se I'm a Golliwog for christs sake go ask robocop outside..jeeez :joker:

LOL yes. I'm not really laughing at the fact you went to school dressed as a golliwog (OK I am its funny in itself) but the way you've worded it makes it a whole lot funny :laugh3:

If you would've just said "I went to speak to my daughters headteacher dressed as a golliwog in protest because her golliwog caused a bit of controversy" it would have just been worthy of a :joker: but you actually did make me LOL and for a good few minutes as well :tongue:

Originally posted by Fom
Tell you what, next time I go down to the town center I will take a picture of the Golliwogs on sale, they have been in the window for about... a year now? I dont think they have ever been sold but no one really cares about them.
Tbh, if kids have multi rational dolls the better.

Which town centre is it? (You don't have to answer that though if you're a bit uncomfortable with it :joker:)

[Fom]

Originally posted by Tom

Which town centre is it? (You don't have to answer that though if you're a bit uncomfortable with it :joker:)

Oh your from Manchester aren't you? I always forget :P
Middleton, Oldham/Rochdale Direction.

[Dan_]

:laugh3: I'd have love to have seen that.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Tom

Which town centre is it? (You don't have to answer that though if you're a bit uncomfortable with it :joker:)

Oh your from Manchester aren't you? I always forget :P
Middleton, Oldham/Rochdale Direction.

Not Manchester itself but the area around it ...

Anyway was just wondering where you've seen them thats all. Vague idea where Middleton is but I always get it mixed up with Middlebrook, that shopping place behind the Bolton Ground :joker:

[bronaaaa]

Omg that sounds sooo funy:laugh3:

[lolester]

i have a golliwog. it wares a smart red and white stripy suit. i love it :dance2::dance2:

[CassetteFinger]

I also own a golliwog teddy. Have had it for years now.

[princess_supastar]

pmsl...you nutta! so funny...god what a blast from the past I didn't even know they still sold them, they caused such controversy.

[Sticks]

Sorry but I will have to disagree

This toy, as people refer to it by the G and W words is racist. It is a characture of Afro-Americans from the time of slavery in the southern US states.

It is deeply offensive and it was a great day when Robbinsons Jam was made to consign this logo to the dustbin of history

In the Noddy books they were always portrayed as the villains, which also added to the racist connotations about Archaic term removed.

What I am surprised about, is that the school did not confiscate the doll and place the daughter who bought it in detention as well, with the parents called in that very day.

Also on a side point is there anyway this thread title can be renamed to remove a word that is considered racist.

[Jakeh]

LMFAO!

Oh man, if one of my parents did that I would absolutely die!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but I will have to disagree

This toy, as people refer to it by the G and W words is racist. It is a characture of Afro-Americans from the time of slavery in the southern US states.

It is deeply offensive and it was a great day when Robbinsons Jam was made to consign this logo to the dustbin of history

In the Noddy books they were always portrayed as the villains, which also added to the racist connotations about people of colour.

What I am surprised about, is that the school did not confiscate the doll and place the daughter who bought it in detention as well, with the parents called in that very day.

Also on a side point is there anyway this thread title can be renamed to remove a word that is considered racist.

Golliwog, when referring to a doll, is not a racist word in the slightest. Its not been used with malicious intent and if Angie and her family (a black family) do not find the doll to be racist or offensive, then IMO their opinions are worth more than any white person who says the doll is racist as they are in the group that its said to be an insult towards.

Its PC gone mad that post is.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Lmao!! :laugh3: Ang you sure do have some guts and some strong devotion to your daughter, its admirable.

Well..... it is my birthday party coming up soon..... you still have your costume..? :P

[Fom]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but I will have to disagree

This toy, as people refer to it by the G and W words is racist. It is a characture of Afro-Americans from the time of slavery in the southern US states.

It is deeply offensive and it was a great day when Robbinsons Jam was made to consign this logo to the dustbin of history

In the Noddy books they were always portrayed as the villains, which also added to the racist connotations about people of colour.

What I am surprised about, is that the school did not confiscate the doll and place the daughter who bought it in detention as well, with the parents called in that very day.

Also on a side point is there anyway this thread title can be renamed to remove a word that is considered racist.

Golliwog, when referring to a doll, is not a racist word in the slightest. Its not been used with malicious intent and if Angie and her family (a black family) do not find the doll to be racist or offensive, then IMO their opinions are worth more than any white person who says the doll is racist as they are in the group that its said to be an insult towards.

Its PC gone mad that post is.

I Agree with you Tom thats exactly what i was about to reply with, it might of been offesnive back then, but whats important is that Ang's family do not find it offesnsive and they are black, so what rights does a white person have saying that black people are offended by it? When they are clearly not.
People need to stop thinking about wether it is offending someone, its not the dolls that should be stopped its the people viewing the doll as a negative thing that should be stopped.

[Sticks]

Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

[Rory]

...not commenting on the "racist" name of the doll, I think that that must've been hilarious, Angie! I couldn't have not laughed, actually, I couldn't have even gone in the school!

Props to you!

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Racist term to you, maybe.

Obviously Angie doesn't find it racist, hence why she used it.

It's a completely subjective belief, Sticks - and you shouldn't try and hold OTHER people to YOUR beliefs.

[Rory]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:
OT: Saturday Night Live! (We shall discuss that on MSN or something)

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Rory
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:
OT: Saturday Night Live! (We shall discuss that on MSN or something)

Excuse me? LMAO

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

But political correctness is just silly, for example you can't say blackboard, black coffee etc instead its chalkboard and coffee without milk.

Golliwog is the name of a doll and the racist term came from that, not the other way around. If Ang doesn't find it offensive (and she is in this group of people that should be offended) then why should we say its offensive? As I said earlier it hasn't been said with malicious intent, just the name of a doll.

If anyone else posted this and Ang found it offensive, then I would be all for removing it from the thread title. Its not being used to target anyone or label anyone and its not causing any offense to black people in this thread so why should it be a problem at all?

[Rory]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Rory
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:
OT: Saturday Night Live! (We shall discuss that on MSN or something)

Excuse me? LMAO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Downer

[Nicky.]

Originally posted by Jakeh
LMFAO!

Oh man, if one of my parents did that I would absolutely die!

Same!!

I wouldn't have stepped foot in the same country!! Haha! x


Must've been soooo funny Ang!

[Lauren]

:cheer2: Angie, what a brilliant rant.
I agree with it all.

The PC brigade are hypocrites anyway. They draw the lines at what THEY themselves believe are racist terms (which is completely subjective anyway). They're applying their own beliefs to someone else, which is not only egotistical but enormously interfering and hints of megalomania.

You basically echoed my own thoughts. If Sticks deems '***' to be racist, then where do we draw the line at what isn't racist in any sense of the word? Are we expected to censor EVERY word that may possibly cause offence; including, as Ang said... monkey. What are we meant to refer to them now? So many words, if twisted, can be racist, sexist, homophobic, fatist, thinist, blondeist, hairist, tallist, shortist, individualist, xenophobic... etc etc.

It's the people that CHOOSE to twist the words that have the issue (i.e. the PC brigade, they see bad in anything) rather than the words themselves.

[Marc]

HERE HERE!

someone had a go at me once for saying 'black' I mean wtf!?

[Sticks]

For the animal there is the term Simian Primate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian) the other term refers to a group of related animals rather than a specific animal, so it is best to refer to the specific. Anyway some people use the term to refer to chimpanzees which is wrong as they belong to the apes.

Some words we used to use, but now they have been banned, the N word is the most infamous. Also not allowed is the other N word which is followed by the word Spiritual in reference to certain music of a religious nature.

The word black now according to one councillor in the US should never ever be used to refer to negative terms. In fact the term Black hole, referencing the term in astronomy for a super collapsed star is now considered racist and when a councillor who was white referred to a collections office as being a black hole, in that things just kept getting lost, he was reprimanded for being racist and asked to apologise.

If we do not watch our language, we will be censured and people have been made to resign for slips of the tongue. That is why we must be PC, to make sure we are not suddenly considered Persona non grata

Getting back to the matter in hand, during the 1970's the W word was a racist term, and being in an age of multiculturalism and valuing diversity, it is a word that we should strive to avoid.

Likewise as a matter of history, the doll was considered by many groups to be racially offensive, and that was why pressure was brought to bear on Robinsons to remove it as a logo for it's products.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
For the animal there is the term Simian Primate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian) the other term refers to a group of related animals rather than a specific animal

Are you suggesting when we're in primary schools showing flashcards to our little 3 year old children, we show them a picture of a MONKEY (the actual term, lets not forget) and ask them to recall back 'Simian Primate'. Oh dear Sticks.

Seriously. I'm genuinely interested in where you'd draw the line then, since I didn't expect you to pander to everything.
Do you say blackboard? sugar puffs? blackhole? whiteboard? black eye?

We can twist ANY word to be racist etc... so if I list them all, are you going to avoid saying ALL of them?

Lets see... what if someone views "simian primate" to be racist, Sticks? What if someone attaches the same meaning to it as they do to monkey? Shall we stop saying that too?

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

Sticks here suggests she should have been given detention WHY????


I may have worded that wrong, with the way certain authorities react to the presence of such dolls, I was surprised such an action did not happen.

There was a case some years ago where a child minder lost her accreditation for possessing such a doll in a private part of her house where the children did not even go. The social worker took offence and removed her from the approved list. I think she was ordered to get rid of it, if she ever wanted to be allowed to be a child minder ever again.

As for the term to how we refer to certain racial groupings, this seems to be a minefield. The term I used was archaic, I had once heard it used by the people themselves in the USA, but as has been pointed out, is now best avoided, which now I know I will be able to do so.

Normally when referring to people I will refer to their nationality which usually reduces the faux pas count.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks


In the Noddy books they were always portrayed as the villains, which also added to the racist connotations about people of colour.


What a ridiculous comment!!

You're here preaching to us how "***" is offensive yet you're so wrapped up in your political correctness that you have failed to recognise that referring to black people as "coloured" or something to that effect is lawfully deemed just as racist as any other obvious racial word.

I could turn the tables here and ask for a moderator to remove that "people of colour" comment because I could see that some people in this thread may be offended by that :rolleyes:.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Rory
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Rory
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry but the very name of the doll, and the thread title here contains the W word which is a racist term.

It is like the N word, some people in the black community try to "reclaim it", but that still does not make it acceptable.

If you must refer to this doll, then remove the part of the word that begins with W

At work we were instructed at our diversity training, which was mandatory, that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, as it is aiming to do the right thing.

Sticks why must you always be a Debbie Downer? :sad:
OT: Saturday Night Live! (We shall discuss that on MSN or something)

Excuse me? LMAO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Downer

LOL omg! I knew I had heard it somewhere before. :blush2:

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Lauren
:cheer2: Angie, what a brilliant rant.
I agree with it all.

The PC brigade are hypocrites anyway. They draw the lines at what THEY themselves believe are racist terms (which is completely subjective anyway). They're applying their own beliefs to someone else, which is not only egotistical but enormously interfering and hints of megalomania.

You basically echoed my own thoughts. If Sticks deems '***' to be racist, then where do we draw the line at what isn't racist in any sense of the word? Are we expected to censor EVERY word that may possibly cause offence; including, as Ang said... monkey. What are we meant to refer to them now? So many words, if twisted, can be racist, sexist, homophobic, fatist, thinist, blondeist, hairist, tallist, shortist, individualist, xenophobic... etc etc.

It's the people that CHOOSE to twist the words that have the issue (i.e. the PC brigade, they see bad in anything) rather than the words themselves.

Oh I am mad :mad: ...been for a walk to calm down too ..deep breathes.

You know what upset me most Lauren is the doll scared Nicole thinking SHE had done something wrong by having it.

Sticks here suggests she should have been given detention WHY????
Its a bit like blaming someone for assault because there chin broke the knuckle of someone punching them.
I agree with you also 100%, whay didnt we ban the breakfast cereal Sugar Puffs, isnt that a term offensive to gays in the same way.
Would I have to start a thread entitled do you prefer Rice Crispies to Sugar P's?
will we have to say in an essay that king Authers suite of armour had a few dents in it when reffering to the C's in his armour as the C' word may offend peope of chineese decent.
or can we be real blatently rascist and actually put a CHINK in that armour like we always did.

I expected a few small ripples with this but the complete absudity of this PC farce sometimes beggers belief, why dont people get a life.

Oh, I feel much better now :joker:

Angie - 1 Sticks - 0.

:thumbs:

[Rory]

Go Angie! :hello:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Tom
I could turn the tables here and ask for a moderator to remove that XXXXX XXXXXXX" comment because I could see that some people in this thread may be offended by that :rolleyes:.


I have removed it from that post as it caused offence.

As I said in a previous post, I do remember it being used a long while ago, but obviously is a term that is no longer deemed acceptable.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Tom
I could turn the tables here and ask for a moderator to remove that XXXXX XXXXXXX" comment because I could see that some people in this thread may be offended by that :rolleyes:.


I have removed it from that post as it caused offence.

As I said in a previous post, I do remember it being used a long while ago, but obviously is a term that is no longer deemed acceptable.

But you of all people should know not to use the term in the first place ...

It doesn't matter whether it was once deemed inoffensive or not, it is these days as you basically keep telling us :thumbs:

Now its time to stop people from using the word "coloured". Does anyone have any suggestions? "I coloured in that picture" is now offensive because "coloured" is in there, so what can we replace it with? :joker:

[Tom4784]

LOL That was an amazing story, made me laugh for ages!

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

And to answer the other questions, I cant wait for your take on Cocoon, this was also a hollywood blockbuster and Had the word COON all over it, I take it you wrote to your MP on behalf of your work committee in protest Sticks.

That film came out before we have the situation today where we have to be self censoring and ultra PC, or else someone will take us down.

When I heard about the case where Blackhole was criticised that did make me feel uncomfortable about using that term, possibly in favour of the term singularity.

This morning I was in a hurry to post and I could not remember which was the correct collective noun. I still can not remember where I heard it, I suspect it may have been a classic star trek, but I could be wrong on that one.

[Lauren]

Sticks, are you genuinely saying you'd find an alternative word for anything that someone might take offence at? If someone tried hard enough, they could twist every single word in the English language to sound offensive.

[Bells]

I can't believe I didn't notice this thread before! :laugh3: - that's hilarious, and a genius idea, I have to add!

[Tom4784]

I never read this far into the topic before I posted so I'm gonna add my 2p into the discussion.

First of Sticks, Are you being sarcastic or trying to be funny because I can't believe that someone who lives in the real world would have such PC views, It is literally mad.

Anyway the way I see it is that the PC brigrade spend all this time thinking of ways to avoid offending Ahem 'people of Colour' that they never realise that they are only segregating different races by putting them into groups. We'll never be able to beat racism if the PC brigade constantly get hung up on people's skin colour, to me that in itself is racism.

The way I see it everyone has the same colour blood so why do we have to get hung up on skin colour? Treat everyone the same I say.

[Scarlett.]

Lol that must have been hirrarious
Good on ya for standing up to the school :spin2:

[Sticks]

The word cocoon never had any racial connotations around it to my knowledge, but when I was growing up, the doll did. We were told it was a racist caricature of black slaves in the American deep south, hence it was beyond the pale and the reason why pressure was put on Robinson's Jam to drop it as it's logo.

My upbringing has been in a multi-cultural environment so I am fully committed to the rich diversity we have around us.

As for the breakfast cereal, I can see where you are coming from, but the derogative was spelled with a double o, not a single u

[Kevin]

This is why we love Angie. :laugh2::laugh2:

:hug:

[double-nugget]

Haha, thats such a great story. I'll know never to mess with you! :joker:

FS though, it's people like they teacher though that make the world a sad place. Oh and those who listen to BBC Radio 2, if anybody gets me.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
The word cocoon never had any racial connotations around it to my knowledge

So now you know it does... are you going to stop using THAT innocent word too? If I provided you with a list of words that could potentially cause offence, yet were in general, innocent (i.e. Golliwog and Cocoon!) you'd stop using them ALL??

Originally posted by Sticks
As for the breakfast cereal, I can see where you are coming from, but the derogative was spelled with a double o, not a single u

The derogative can be either way. So I bring my point up again - are you gonna stop referring to the breakfast cereal of that name "just in case" ? :conf:

[Jakeh]

I actually pity you, Sticks. I really do.

[Nurse57]

Ok, late in to this one.

"See thats where you shoot yourself in both ignorent feet Sticks everyone on this planet is a person of colour.

Not just that dirty black lot we sometimes cant quite figure out what they may want to be called this week, simple why not ask THEM!!!!"

I remember Oprah Winfrey having a pop at someone who in the course of conversation said something along the lines of "you, as a black Woman" Oprah insisted she and all black Women should be called "Women of color" This became a big thing. We were told that that was the way forward. (never liked it myself) Now you are telling me this is not acceptable.

So if sticks used the term "person of colour" then he did so (at a guess) as "black people" had told him that was the term to use. In that case I think it is unfair for people to have a pop at him. You told him to "ask" Well he was saying as he has been told.

[Sticks]

For the expression I used earlier, I have now found two contemporary examples where it has been used

here (http://colinresponse.wordpress.com/2008/06/09/apex-expressions/) and here (http://www.srlp.org/index.php?sec=01A&page=about)

I also saw it used on the ACLU site, so it seems to be an expression used on the other side of the pond by those to whom it applies. (If that makes sense)

[Jakeh]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Ok, late in to this one.

"See thats where you shoot yourself in both ignorent feet Sticks everyone on this planet is a person of colour.

Not just that dirty black lot we sometimes cant quite figure out what they may want to be called this week, simple why not ask THEM!!!!"

I remember Oprah Winfrey having a pop at someone who in the course of conversation said something along the lines of "you, as a black Woman" Oprah insisted she and all black Women should be called "Women of color" This became a big thing. We were told that that was the way forward. (never liked it myself) Now you are telling me this is not acceptable.

So if sticks used the term "person of colour" then he did so (at a guess) as "black people" had told him that was the term to use. In that case I think it is unfair for people to have a pop at him. You told him to "ask" Well he was saying as he has been told.

That just supports the point everyone is trying to make. Not everyone will find a term racist and the world shouldn't suffer for those that DO happen to find a term racist.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Ok, late in to this one.

"See thats where you shoot yourself in both ignorent feet Sticks everyone on this planet is a person of colour.

Not just that dirty black lot we sometimes cant quite figure out what they may want to be called this week, simple why not ask THEM!!!!"

I remember Oprah Winfrey having a pop at someone who in the course of conversation said something along the lines of "you, as a black Woman" Oprah insisted she and all black Women should be called "Women of color" This became a big thing. We were told that that was the way forward. (never liked it myself) Now you are telling me this is not acceptable.

So if sticks used the term "person of colour" then he did so (at a guess) as "black people" had told him that was the term to use. In that case I think it is unfair for people to have a pop at him. You told him to "ask" Well he was saying as he has been told.

I think (I'm obviously not sure because she was the one who said it) that Angie was proving a point with that.

If she meant it the way I took it - she was showing that even attempts to 'soften' what could be deemed offensive words, are still offensive. Henceforth we shouldn't go around finding alternative words for what could be offensive.

Like I said, she could've meant something completely different by that, though.

[Nurse57]

I was just pointing out that the term "people of colour" comes from black people as a term white people should use. So to pull sticks up on that one was unfair and some of the comments were uncalled for.

You can't tell people to say one thing and then change your mind and not tell anyone.

As for the people who said Sticks was saying "coloured", they are just showing their ignorance.

[Mrluvaluva]

Lol at the story Ange. I can just imagine you marching to school like that!

[Nurse57]

Oh, Lauren. I am afraid I have to take what ever you say with a pinch of salt.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I was just pointing out that the term "people of colour" comes from black people as a term white people should use. So to pull sticks up on that one was unfair and some of the comments were uncalled for.

You can't tell people to say one thing and then change your mind and not tell anyone.

As for the people who said Sticks was saying "coloured", they are just showing their ignorance.

A lot of black people don't like to be called "coloured" and its deemed as racist by many black people. The point I was illustrating is that Sticks was going on about how certain words are offensive, yet he mentioned something along the lines of "people of colour", which is essentially the same thing except in a more polite manner. As I've said many black people find that word offensive so its a bit hypocritical to request the thread title have "***" removed when he wrote that in his post.

If any race is coloured is us white people.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Oh, Lauren. I am afraid I have to take what ever you say with a pinch of salt.

:puzzled: Ok?

It would be easier to set me on ignore, though.

[GiRTh]

How on earth can someone who has been offended by a racist term like *** be vilified the way you guys are vilifying Sticks.

I agree that banning the likes of Baa-Baa black sheep is PC going mad but I think most of you are failing to understand why we have political correctness in the first place. Not too many years ago people used to use racial epithets all the time and with no consequences. Black people were subjected to out and out abuse and we were then told that we were 'too sensitive'. Political correctness has addressed that. Now we do have the situation where some people have taken it too far, but never lose sight of why political correctness exists and I, for one, would never vilify someone for being offended by a word that has been used as a racist slur.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
How on earth can someone who has been offended by a racist term like *** be vilified the way you guys are vilifying Sticks.

I agree that banning the likes of Baa-Baa black sheep is PC going mad but I thick most of you are failing to understand why we have political correctness I the first place. Not too many years ago people used to use racial epithets all the time and with no consequences. Black people were subjected to out and out abuse and we were then told that we were 'too sensitive'. Political correctness has addressed that. Now we do have the situation where some people have taken it too far, but never lose sight of why political correctness exists and I, for one, would never vilify someone fore being offended by a word that has been used as a racist slur.

1) We aren't vilifying him, simply just arguing our point across
2) We've tried to tell him why he shouldn't be offended; it wasn't used with malicious intent
3) The way in which Sticks is coming across is that all words with some kind of offensive connotation should be banned because of PC gone mad.

There is a black woman actively posting in this thread her points about political correctness. As far as I can see shes against it and finds it pointless. As its supposed to be those types of people that are being "saved" from offense, I think her opinion is more valid than the white people who are enforcing those rules.

[GiRTh]

Just because you don't find a word offensive it doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Just because you don't find a word offensive it doesn't mean it isn't offensive.


But my point is, are we meant to stop using words that in theory could cause offence? Including, as Ang said, 'monkey' ?

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Just because you don't find a word offensive it doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

I would find the words offensive depending on the context. The opening post and thread title clearly isn't offensive or supposed to cause offense. Its just to tell us a story about when she went to her daughters school dressed as a giant golliwog. In another context (ie calling someone that) then yes, it is offensive and racist. But its not in that context.

The racial slur came about from the name of the doll so not all racially motivated words can have the same affect. People should be allowed to refer to the doll without being accused of being offensive.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom

There is a black woman actively posting in this thread her points about political correctness. As far as I can see shes against it and finds it pointless. As its supposed to be those types of people that are being "saved" from offense, I think her opinion is more valid than the white people who are enforcing those rules. There's a black man posting in this thread now (Me). I see what Angies saying but she's yet to comment on truly offensive words and the basics of political correctness. If you read my post you'll see that I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom

There is a black woman actively posting in this thread her points about political correctness. As far as I can see shes against it and finds it pointless. As its supposed to be those types of people that are being "saved" from offense, I think her opinion is more valid than the white people who are enforcing those rules. There's a black man posting in this thread now (Me). I see what Angies saying but she's yet to comment on truly offensive words and the basics of political correctness. If you read my post you'll see that I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word.
Is that Wu tang in your sig?Do they not use the N word?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by spitfire
Is that Wu tang in your sig?Do they not use the N word? It is and they do?

[spitfire]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by spitfire
Is that Wu tang in your sig?Do they not use the N word? It is and they do? Yet you don't like hearing it.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom

There is a black woman actively posting in this thread her points about political correctness. As far as I can see shes against it and finds it pointless. As its supposed to be those types of people that are being "saved" from offense, I think her opinion is more valid than the white people who are enforcing those rules. There's a black man posting in this thread now (Me). I see what Angies saying but she's yet to comment on truly offensive words and the basics of political correctness. If you read my post you'll see that I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word.

But thats the point we're all arguing- PC gone mad. I'm not denying that there is a wrong ban on words such as 'N', I think thats right. But a line needs to be drawn where anything loosely associated or things where the meaning or roots aren't relevant/the same anymore instead of just putting a ban on the most ridiculous of words and phrases just to sugar coat the English language.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by spitfire
Yet you don't like hearing it. Read my post. I said "I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word". That should answer your questions.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom

But thats the point we're all arguing- PC gone mad. I'm not denying that there is a wrong ban on words such as 'N', I think thats right. But a line needs to be drawn where anything loosely associated or things where the meaning or roots aren't relevant/the same anymore instead of just putting a ban on the most ridiculous of words and phrases just to sugar coat the English language. I agree. PC has gone too far but don't lose sight of why there's a need for PC.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by spitfire
Yet you don't like hearing it. Read my post. I said "I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word". That should answer your questions.
I know you don't like hearing people use the N word but the group you chose to have as your sig,use the N word a lot.I just found that to be a bit hypocritical.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by spitfire
Yet you don't like hearing it. Read my post. I said "I'm against banning the like of Baa-Baa Black sheep but that don't mean I like hearing people use the N word". That should answer your questions.
I know you don't like hearing people use the N word but the group you chose to have as your sig,use the N word a lot.I just found that to be a bit hypocritical. I wondered how long it'd take you to imply I was a hypocrite? I said that because of one thing don't assume another. Thats not hypocritical.

[spitfire]

It is but nay bother,i'm not going to argue over it.:spin2:

[Nurse57]

"A lot of black people don't like to be called "coloured"."

At no point did he say "coloured" instead he used a phrase coined by black people for white people to use. Totally different things.

[kerri]

hahaha what an excellent that made howl with laughter x x

[pinkmichk]

what a fantastic story ang shame some members feel the need to slate you and your choice of words
my mum has a couple of the dolls which she loves
the pc brigade really has gone crazy as for referring to the noddy books these have now been changed so the villians are 2 goblins but why should something that stood for years be changed to suit the pc brigade not the people supposedly afected by them
same with baa baa black sheep at my daughters preschool they are only allowed to sing it if they sing at least 2 other colour versions as well baa baa red sheep or baa baa green sheep anyone :conf:
the pc bridgade are going to keep going til everything we know will have to be substitued for something else so as not to offend
i for one will personally go against a lot of pc stuff to bring my daughter up how i deem fit not how some busybody in a office tells me is the right way as long as she respect all people regardless of their culture skin colour etc then i will be happy

[Llamajohn]

hilarious story :D

some people are so just.... ROARRR about PC this, PC that.

[Tom4784]

:cheer: Right on the money Angie!

[SiaSiaSia]

you always tell the most interesting and funny stories angie!! xxx

[Nurse57]

"Bah bah black sheep is frowned on, but not ever the song White Christmas."

The last time I checked White Christmas is not a song about the slave trade.

"Opraph Winfrey aint black "people" she's a single black woman"

As you are. The difference is that for a while Winfrey was the most powerful woman in world media, and like it or not she spoke for you.

Sorry if i have misquoted you. I am not in the habit of that. I may have took what you said out of context.

You have a go at "middle class whites" for deciding what is aloud. Have you ever thought that these "middle class whites" may be running scared from the likes of Trevor Phillips from Commission for Racial Equality who would be up in arms if a school aloud a kids to be saying things like "your mums a ***" with out any comeback. Now, he may only be one black person, but once again he is a powerful person, that if the above situation happened now, he would be putting huge pressure on the authority's to at minimum suspend the Head.

So, play along with the PC agenda pushed by the likes of the above group of lose your job?

Angie, I have to ask. Do you think it is better that we now no longer have bars and shop with signs saying "no blacks" on the doors?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
We are told ni**er is wrong yet we still hear from the very same people we are told that get offended by it.... and yes its rather hypocritical indeed to find that word offensive yet remind the world you use and support a banner of those who make money when using it in thier proffesion, its either wrong or accetable, and depending on context, not the single word itself.
This is a completely separate issue. The banning of Gollywogs and the use of the N word are only remotely connected.

You haven't even asked for my stance on the word and for a black person I find that a bit poor. You know how contentious that word is within our community and I'm disappointed that you've done exactly what Spitfire has done i.e. you've assumed a certain stance without even asking for clarification.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
I havent asked you???? Why????
why do i need to get your view?????



do I need a guys view to post a thread on soldiers or football, this is just getting ridiculous now.


If Golliwog offends you send a message to the moerators...no change that I'll delete the thread and leave the forum.

You clarrified your stance by posting an image of the group, that condones the use of the word ni**er
and why censor the word when you hear your group say it...THATS HYPOCRITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if they say ni**er then be a man and yopu say ni**er!!!!!!!!!
Why the need for the N word? do they bother doing that?

maybe if i'd have set my thread to rap music and slung in few bitches hoes and guns then slipped in my golliwog story you'd have been a little happier.

To me if the N word or the W word or the anyword causes offence simple dont buy into it ..but you do, you allow certain word at certain times but wont allow the same criteria across the board when reffering to another word which causes a problem for you. that my friend IS HYPOCRITICAL, by definition.

and if your group dont see any need to censor the word why do you?
thats hypocritical too, and if you annoyed with this reply, try closing your eyes and imagine this being one of thier lyrics, and the

YO bitch modda *****a hoe, with the booty a** is the n*gger in yo ear" or something similar to the trash that load sh*it sing about.

I for one am out of here..

to all my friends...BYE:xyxwave: Firstly, its a good idea to find out someone stance on something before you call them a hypocrite. Especially an issue as contentious as this.

Secondly, Where do I say I'm offended by Gollywogs?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Angiebabe

Then lets here you for the record villify the group in your banner using the rascist slur ni**er!!!!

You villify them , and prove your no hypocrite. I dont need to do that.

As has been pointed out the N word has many different meanings. Its a word that been around for centuries. Initially it was an insult made by white people towards black people. Gradually over the years there has been an attempt to reclaim the word by black people - rightly or wrongly is another debate - but the fact remains the N word can be used in many contexts and will have many meanings.

In the house that I grew up in my mother and her family used that word as much as the anyone yet my father NEVER used the word. Thats how contentious this word is even within the black community. Thats why I was disappointed that you assumed so much without asking me.

There is a double standard that exists regarding using the N word. ie Its OK for black people to use the word when addressing each other but the word is a total no no for white people. I don't condone the double standard but I totally understand why it exists.

[GiRTh]

Regarding the N word - there's no point in typing it out in full cuz it wont pass the swear filter. There is a double standard, I totally agree, but I understand why that double standard exists.

Personally, I don't find the word Gollywog offensive but I understand that others might.

My stance is quite neutral on race. I don't find too many words offensive myself but I wont get a soapbox to criticise someone who do find certain words offensive.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks
chimpanzees

Ok, you got me Sticks and as an new covert to the weird and wondeful PC world (you know I even hate there shops)

I wondered if you could delete this entire post as you can see the above word incorporates the P word to which gay men may find offensive.

I have done likewise with the W word in my story about the G word doll.:wink:

[Fom]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Sticks
chimpanzees

Ok, you got me Sticks and as an new covert to the weird and wondeful PC world (you know I even hate there shops)

I wondered if you could delete this entire post as you can see the above word incorporates the P word to which gay men may find offensive.

I have done likewise with the W word in my story about the G word doll.:wink:

Haha ang, your responses are really making me laugh :tongue:

[Gemmer-x]

back to the original post, love the story Ange :bigsmile:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks
classic .

Again I refer the poster to his high standards of PC and remind him again to remove this entire post as the above word quoted incorporates the A word which younger readers may find offensive and explicit, thank you:wink:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Sticks
cocoon

Once again the poster is guilty of a serious breach of PC and I urge him to remove the offending post or the offending C word which is incorpaorated within the above quote.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by GiRTh
How on earth can someone who has been offended by a racist term like *** be vilified the way you guys are vilifying Sticks.


Nobody had, we had infact used the name of a toy which happend to be Golli***

I now refere the poster to the offending word and ask him to delete the offending word or post, those that want to live by this absurd PC "sword" orrta "die" by it too:wink:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Just because you don't find a word offensive it doesn't mean it isn't offensive.
Unless of course that word is the N word hey girth:wink:
then its a case of If I dont have a problem with it its only Ok if your black and you can then use it to other black people, well thats the rule as of now, its subject to change at any moment people like Girth feel fit to do so, just in case anybody out there who is black and tempted to swarm the sight with the N word.:wink:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by GiRTh
assumed .


:nono: Once again I refer the poster to the same PC standards as his self proclaimed ally in this very thread on which correctness to peoples sensitivities have over shadowed the orinigal message.

I'm sure the poster will wish to delete the offending A word as it may offend younger members and I'm sure again it was with no malicious intent to use such a horrible explitive but the non the less it is there.:whistle:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Fom


Haha ang, your responses are really making me laugh :tongue:

I just wondered what life may be like in Stick's shoes, I can tell you, if you think Rachel or Mo are boring,, jeez you wanna try this for size :joker:

[Shaun]

I'm extremely offended by all of you and your faces.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Shaun
I'm extremely offended by all of you and your faces.

Your teapot makes me sad inside.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Nurse57
***

Although in quote Im surprised you still felt the need to use the word you find so offensive, more PC yet more double standards, however I'm sure now you'll remove the offending word or post accordingly.
:wink:

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Shaun
I'm extremely offended by all of you and your faces.

can I ask whom your reffering too? :wink:

[Scarlett.]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/39126-1/EmoWall.jpg
:laugh2:

[Gemmer-x]

:joker:

[Lauren]

Thread closed as it's gone... slightly... offtopic :tongue: