Downloading illegally...

[Matt10k]

Not sure if anyone here did before, but if you did- have you stopped downloading music/ films online?

I heard there's a 3 strike rule now and that ISP's are monitoring what you download?

Apparently, repeat offenders get a letter warning them to stop or their internet connection will be cut off.

:bawling:

[Novo]

i still do it :bigsmile:

i never knew about the strike rule

[MR.K!]

i guess its a good idea, afterall i would be quite annoyed if i was famous and people basicly stole off of me rather than buy it, Although i used to download in the past *cough

[Callum]

I still do it, in my opinion there's worse stuff going on in the world that should be tackled before this.

[Scarlett.]

Dont really download much anyway

[Annie]

I only download the odd song anyway.. I wont download albums or movies or that but i wouldnt worry about this strike thing. how many people download?! haha i wish them the best of luck

[Tom]

They aren't monitoring what you download, they're monitoring how much you download which is where its gets ridiculous. How can they distinguish between downloading an album illegally and watching a programme on BBC iPlayer perfectly legally?

[Sam]

I never download illegally, i don't see what's wrong with paying?

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Tom
They aren't monitoring what you download, they're monitoring how much you download which is where its gets ridiculous. How can they distinguish between downloading an album illegally and watching a programme on BBC iPlayer perfectly legally? Because the probs aint even monitoring us, just using scare tactics

[Rory]

No comment. :bigsmile:

[Tom4784]

I don't download much at all, just the odd instrumental and stuff for Media. I much prefer having the discs in my hands and stuff. I like the real deal.

[Dizzy]

I download a few songs now and then, but I can't download films or anything. My brother has a safe way of downloading albums and films, he's tried explaining it all to me but I don't understand most of it... he has all these special programmes on his PC, he's a sneaky sod when it comes to downloading illegally.

[Firewire]

I download songs of of LW. But nt albums or movies.

[Conor]

adobephotoshopfireworkspremireprodreamweaversoundb ooth&aftereffects all copied *cough*

Does ripping music of youtube count too? lol

[Sarah.]

I download a lot of the time. I'll only stop if I get a warning... maybe....

[Very_Nayce]

I consider myself loyal to 4-5 artists and thus will buy their music. I have no problem torrenting the hell out of everything else though. Those guys have more money than me. Bottom line.

[Shaun]

IMO There's no difference between downloading songs and just watching them on YouTube whenever you want to. Same availability, yet the notion of illegality?

And I'm not stopping any time soon.

[Spike]

When I get a warning letter I will stop
There are bigger things in the world to worry about than me downloading a few tracks and when the tree is moved from outside my house so I can get Sky I will stop downloading TV shows too

[Big_Brutta]

I'm still not stopping lol. Unless of course my parents force me to.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Dizzy
I download a few songs now and then, but I can't download films or anything. My brother has a safe way of downloading albums and films, he's tried explaining it all to me but I don't understand most of it... he has all these special programmes on his PC, he's a sneaky sod when it comes to downloading illegally.

That's what I've been trying to do, shh! Can't figure it out though- not computer literate enough!

Every time I download through limewire, my net seems to slow down or repeatedly cut off for a day or two.

I haven't downloaded any songs or films for weeks now :sad:

Suprised no one else seems to be getting the so called letters. They said they'd send one out after downloading only 3 songs illegally. Seems it just isn't happening.

[Locke.]

I used to download all my music through Limewire but I can't cope with it any more, it freezes and does all kinds of weird **** and I'd end up smashing my laptop, so I just listen to music on youtube now. I still usually watch films illegally online though.

[Princess]

Most people do it,I prefer to buy albums but if its just one song than I will download it off Limewire. I downloaded the majority of Grey's Anatomy S3
of LimeWire because I couldn't find it online.

[MrGaryy]

Does downloading torrents count?

[SamR]

Im never going to stop, the singers who songs i illegaly downlaod are loaded anyway so why give them more money

[noahman]

I only download stuff i cant get commericially (like tv shows that wont ever be releasesd on dvd)

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by Sam
I never download illegally, i don't see what's wrong with paying?

Some people can't?
I certainly can't.

A week or so ago, I wrote a list of albums I want, and there's about 63 I want. No exaggeration.
I like a WIDE range of music, all styles, some chart, most not.
There's NO way I can afford to buy them all.
I/My parents probably can't afford to even get half of them before Xmas.
Bearing in mind also, some of the albums are JPop, and a lot are American, so that'd be an extra cost for paying for the shipping/order.
A lot of the bands/artists I like I never see in HMV, or most music stores.

I can't get an itunes account because my parents refuse to put their details anywhere on the net, and they wouldn't buy me vouchers either to get round this.

What am I meant to do?
If I can afford the CD, and it's one that I'd put priority, then I'd more than likely get it, but I don't get CDs that often because I need other things more.
I do prefer to have the CD as I like having the case+stuff.
But then again, it clutters up my rather small bedroom.

Therefore the only alternative I have is to download online, free.
I always delete the tracks from my computer after they've been put on my ipod, but that's mainly because of memory issues on my computer.
Limewire's always a last resort. I hate the thing.
I'll do a google blog search for the song/album first, then check SIN [A music download forum], ask my mates, and if I then can't find a torrent for it, I'll go for Limewire.
If I'm honest, most of my music has come from mediafire/zshare/blogs, which is obviously not anymore legal but I do try to avoid Limewire, even for torrents.

I even swap music with my mates. You should see the size of some of my sharing folders. It's practically a music library. That's our way of obtaining music without having to pay full prices. We'll buy CDs then trade them on MSN.
I'll continue to use blogs, hosts, SIN, friends, and the occasional torrent until I'm sent a warning letter.

&that is what's wrong with paying.

[Firewire]

lol Darenn

[melanie]

In Canada, you can't rip CD's into your iPod. The iTunes store is very limited, no movies and most of the songs I like aren't there. I always download. I think theres too many people doing it to get everyone. In my country, uploaders are the main target.

Oh yeah, Limewire is loaded with viruses. :yuk:

[Firewire]

I never get viruses with Limewire.

I have Limewire PRO.

[bigbr0ther]

You guys, it's not just a case of "If we get caught, stop, if not keep going." Would you murder someone if you knew you wouldn't get caught? What about rape? I know these are far more serious crimes but the fact of the matter is that stealing is unethical, whether there's a "three strikes" rule or not.

I am proud to say that I have never stolen a single song.

[melanie]

Downloading and watching videos on youtube are pretty much the same.

[Conor]

Originally posted by Firewire
I never get viruses with Limewire.

I have Limewire PRO.

I downloaded Limewire pro of Limewire lol

But I never bother with it much any more. Its easier and quicker to rip the music of Youtube.

[bigbr0ther]

So then, you walk into a music store, and you notice something - no security cameras, no security guards, no sensors, and the cashier is reading a magazine! You go behind one shelf and no one can see you. You have total privacy. You see a CD that should be $15 but at $30 it's way overpriced. So, that justifies stealing it, right?

This is essentially what you are saying when you say it's okay to steal music because "there's no way they'd be able to catch you" or "it costs too much anyway."

[Xander]

I will never stop, I will continue to do so until I get a warning.
I can't afford the amount of music I downloaded at all. Therefore I have to use Torrents, Limewire etc..
I do have a itunes account and if there are songs which I can't find anywhere to downloaded and are on itunes I will use Itunes to but the song, but thats only rarely.

[MarkWaldorf]

The only time I download a movie is if I've seen it in the cinema - so therefore I feel as if I've payed for that movie. I would never download a newly released film that I haven't watched/feel as if I've payed for.

I download music too but not on Limewire. And I download TV episodes because I'm not waiting 6 months for the UK to get a grip and start airing new episodes of shows I could have easily have accessed all those months ago. If they have a problem with people downloading TV shows - then maybe they should listen in and start airing shows sooner rather than later. I've noticed BBC2 is doing it now with Heroes.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Xander
I will never stop, I will continue to do so until I get a warning.
I can't afford the amount of music I downloaded at all. Therefore I have to use Torrents, Limewire etc..
I do have a itunes account and if there are songs which I can't find anywhere to downloaded and are on itunes I will use Itunes to but the song, but thats only rarely.

Erm, if you CAN'T AFFORD something, DON'T BUY IT. If you couldn't afford the clothes at Neiman Marcus, that wouldn't justify going in and stealing them.

If you can't afford the amount of music you download, you shouldn't be downloading that much music.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You guys, it's not just a case of "If we get caught, stop, if not keep going." Would you murder someone if you knew you wouldn't get caught? What about rape? I know these are far more serious crimes but the fact of the matter is that stealing is unethical, whether there's a "three strikes" rule or not.

I am proud to say that I have never stolen a single song.

How can you compare rape and murder to using Limewire?

I rarely download music, not cos I'm against it, I just preder and get the CD, I'm not often strapped for cash anyway so I'm lucky in that respect. I do download TV shows because I hate having to wait months for the UK to get it. Although if I can, I just use STC instead.

[Hugo]

I mainly use iTunes but if there is a song, I want before it's released or I have bought loads of songs recently then I will download it.

[ss00]

i download music all time using Torrentz... but when I'm satisfied with the album i'll buy the CD of it...
but yeah i also download Tv shows coz i don't want to wait till they got showed here in UK.
but in the case of movies I always watch them on cinemas or buy dvds.

[Conor]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
So then, you walk into a music store, and you notice something - no security cameras, no security guards, no sensors, and the cashier is reading a magazine! You go behind one shelf and no one can see you. You have total privacy. You see a CD that should be $15 but at $30 it's way overpriced. So, that justifies stealing it, right?

This is essentially what you are saying when you say it's okay to steal music because "there's no way they'd be able to catch you" or "it costs too much anyway."

There two totally different scenarios. The only similarity is both times music has been stolen. Nothing more.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Conor
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
So then, you walk into a music store, and you notice something - no security cameras, no security guards, no sensors, and the cashier is reading a magazine! You go behind one shelf and no one can see you. You have total privacy. You see a CD that should be $15 but at $30 it's way overpriced. So, that justifies stealing it, right?

This is essentially what you are saying when you say it's okay to steal music because "there's no way they'd be able to catch you" or "it costs too much anyway."

There two totally different scenarios. The only similarity is both times music has been stolen. Nothing more.

Right. Both times music has been stolen. That's exactly my point.

[Spike]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You guys, it's not just a case of "If we get caught, stop, if not keep going." Would you murder someone if you knew you wouldn't get caught? What about rape? I know these are far more serious crimes but the fact of the matter is that stealing is unethical, whether there's a "three strikes" rule or not.

I am proud to say that I have never stolen a single song.

You can't compare it to murder.
People illegally download, get over it. They aren't hurting anyone, just the record companies and stores who make lots of money anyway aren't getting as much.

[Chemicle]

I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

[noahman]

For those who say they cant afford cd have you checked out amazon you can get some good cds for bargin prices (espicilly cd from the 90s)the even have some cd single for like 1 dollar (not including) shiping

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?
why should i ? that then benefits the very wealthy artist, when i have the option of downloading for free.

[melanie]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?

Get off him, not everyone is an angel.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Chemicle
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?
why should i ? that then benefits the very wealthy artist, when i have the option of downloading for free.

Wait so you support the artist but refuse to give them money? How cheeky is that? If it wasnt for these "Wealthy artists" you would have no music so stop complaining.
I do download it for free atm. But I know as soon as I have a job I will buy music. I prefer physical copies for one and for two, you cannot get as good quality as an Itunes download or as a CD. Its nice to be able to download music.
As a student the last thing I want to have to buy is music when I can get it free. When I have spare money lying about I will do.

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?

Some people can't get an itunes account.
I can't.
My parents refuse to use their credit card details anywhere on the internet.
&they won't buy me vouchers because that's too much money.

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Chemicle
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?
why should i ? that then benefits the very wealthy artist, when i have the option of downloading for free.

Wait so you support the artist but refuse to give them money? How cheeky is that? If it wasnt for these "Wealthy artists" you would have no music so stop complaining.
I do download it for free atm. But I know as soon as I have a job I will buy music. I prefer physical copies for one and for two, you cannot get as good quality as an Itunes download or as a CD. Its nice to be able to download music.
As a student the last thing I want to have to buy is music when I can get it free. When I have spare money lying about I will do.

I'm not complaining, i download music because i am a 15 year old at school :puzzled: where do i get the money to buy music and such. I'll download music until i can't anymore, so there you go. No one's perfect :tongue:

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
I have always downloaded music, and will never stop, i don't see it as wrong, if theres an album with only one song on that you like, why buy it ? if there's no single for it, i say **** it, i download music and movies, and just for the record, you get letters if you are sharing music through limewire. Well, that's what happened to my friend, i only download songs i really like or want to try, i usually listen to them through youtube, i don't care that it's illegal, i don't see it as wrong, and i definitley wouldn't compare it to murder or rape, i download movie's too, if i've watched them online first and like them. Simple as, i'm not going to stop any time soon, i've done it for years.

No single for it? Ever heard of iTunes?

Some people can't get an itunes account.
I can't.
My parents refuse to use their credit card details anywhere on the internet.
&they won't buy me vouchers because that's too much money.

Exactly the same situation with me. e.g would you refuse a free mobile phone, and then go and buy the exact same phone in a shop ? illegal or not.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You guys, it's not just a case of "If we get caught, stop, if not keep going." Would you murder someone if you knew you wouldn't get caught? What about rape? I know these are far more serious crimes but the fact of the matter is that stealing is unethical, whether there's a "three strikes" rule or not.

I am proud to say that I have never stolen a single song.

You can't compare it to murder.
People illegally download, get over it. They aren't hurting anyone, just the record companies and stores who make lots of money anyway aren't getting as much.

By focusing on the part about murder you seem to have missed the overall point of the post, so I'll show it to you another way. Would you steal a CD from a CD store if you knew you were going to get caught?

As for your other "points:"
"People illegally download, get over it" This is appeal to common practice, a logical fallacy.
"They aren't hurting anyone" Yes, they are. Not only are they hurting the artist, they are hurting hundreds of marketing/PR people, managers, producers, editors, musicians, and everyone who should have been getting a piece of the money for that CD. It adds up, and it's estimated that thieves are costing the music industry many millions (soon to reach billions) of dollars every year.
"just the record company and stores who make lots of money anyway aren't getting as much." Stealing is stealing, no matter who you steal from. Would you justify stealing a CD because the music shop is making lots of money anyway?

[xDramatick]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
You guys, it's not just a case of "If we get caught, stop, if not keep going." Would you murder someone if you knew you wouldn't get caught? What about rape? I know these are far more serious crimes but the fact of the matter is that stealing is unethical, whether there's a "three strikes" rule or not.

I am proud to say that I have never stolen a single song.

You can't compare it to murder.
People illegally download, get over it. They aren't hurting anyone, just the record companies and stores who make lots of money anyway aren't getting as much.

By focusing on the part about murder you seem to have missed the overall point of the post, so I'll show it to you another way. Would you steal a CD from a CD store if you knew you were going to get caught?

As for your other "points:"
"People illegally download, get over it" This is appeal to common practice, a logical fallacy.
"They aren't hurting anyone" Yes, they are. Not only are they hurting the artist, they are hurting hundreds of marketing/PR people, managers, producers, editors, musicians, and everyone who should have been getting a piece of the money for that CD. It adds up, and it's estimated that thieves are costing the music industry many millions (soon to reach billions) of dollars every year.
"just the record company and stores who make lots of money anyway aren't getting as much." Stealing is stealing, no matter who you steal from. Would you justify stealing a CD because the music shop is making lots of money anyway?

You haven't answered my post..
It still overcomes the rest of yours ;]

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Darenn
You haven't answered my post..
It still overcomes the rest of yours ;]

I haven't read the whole thread. Lol.

I'll look for your post Darenn. :)

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Darenn
Originally posted by Sam
I never download illegally, i don't see what's wrong with paying?

Some people can't?
I certainly can't.

If you can't afford it, don't buy it. That's how things work in a capitalist society.

A week or so ago, I wrote a list of albums I want, and there's about 63 I want. No exaggeration.
I like a WIDE range of music, all styles, some chart, most not.
There's NO way I can afford to buy them all.
I/My parents probably can't afford to even get half of them before Xmas.

A lot of people like a WIDE range of different cars, all styles, all colors. But, unless these people have a lot of money, they can't afford these cars. Rather than stealing them, they live without. If you like a lot of different kinds of music you must either pay for it all or live without some of it.

Bearing in mind also, some of the albums are JPop, and a lot are American, so that'd be an extra cost for paying for the shipping/order.
A lot of the bands/artists I like I never see in HMV, or most music stores.

If the shipping is too high, don't buy it and instead go without it. This is the same argument of "if it costs too much, it's okay to steal it."

I can't get an itunes account because my parents refuse to put their details anywhere on the net, and they wouldn't buy me vouchers either to get round this.

What am I meant to do?

Live without it! Music is not a necessity.

If your parents aren't willing to put their details up anywhere, that means you also can't buy books through Amazon (or anything else on the Internet) but that doesn't give you the right to steal them.

If you really want to buy music, though I don't think you do, get an iTunes gift card at the store and use that to purchase songs with. That way you don't have to enter your credit card information.

If I can afford the CD, and it's one that I'd put priority, then I'd more than likely get it, but I don't get CDs that often because I need other things more.
I do prefer to have the CD as I like having the case+stuff.
But then again, it clutters up my rather small bedroom.

If space is the problem, once you have the paid-for CD, transfer the songs from the CD into your iTunes, then store the CD in the attic or somewhere. That's what I do with my CDs.

Therefore the only alternative I have is to download online, free.

How did you come to this conclusion? I've listed several alternatives already.

I always delete the tracks from my computer after they've been put on my ipod, but that's mainly because of memory issues on my computer.
Limewire's always a last resort. I hate the thing.
I'll do a google blog search for the song/album first, then check SIN [A music download forum], ask my mates, and if I then can't find a torrent for it, I'll go for Limewire.
If I'm honest, most of my music has come from mediafire/zshare/blogs, which is obviously not anymore legal but I do try to avoid Limewire, even for torrents.

I even swap music with my mates. You should see the size of some of my sharing folders. It's practically a music library. That's our way of obtaining music without having to pay full prices. We'll buy CDs then trade them on MSN.
I'll continue to use blogs, hosts, SIN, friends, and the occasional torrent until I'm sent a warning letter.

The source of the music doesn't really matter; in all of these cases you're stealing it.

&that is what's wrong with paying.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Chemicle
Exactly the same situation with me. e.g would you refuse a free mobile phone, and then go and buy the exact same phone in a shop ? illegal or not.

So you'd steal a phone from a shop rather than pay for one?

[MarkWaldorf]

bigbr0ther no one's going to stop doing it just because you're comparing it to murder/rape. Get over it. :rolleyes:

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by Chemicle
Exactly the same situation with me. e.g would you refuse a free mobile phone, and then go and buy the exact same phone in a shop ? illegal or not.

So you'd steal a phone from a shop rather than pay for one?

no, that's not what i meant, it was an example, i wouldn't steal a mobile phone, if someone was giving it away (like limewire, people share music) then i would take it, i wouldn't steal one though, i don't see the problem in it, millions of people do it, and i'm not going to stop.

[Spike]

bigbr0ther get over it!
People do it and your the last person who is going to stop me, so im going to download even more now because I don't want to pay and even if I did I don't see the point when I can get it for free.
and now I have got into illegal downloading I feel I can do something as bad now, maybe I will go out and murder someone.

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by Spike
and now I have got into illegal downloading I feel I can do something as bad now, maybe I will go out and murder someone.

LMAO!

[DamonJ]

I'd download if it was a fair price.
Say a CD in a shop was £10, that includes the cost of design, packaging, the CD itself, transport from warehouses. Then say the CD to legally download is £10 with physically having it, how is that fair?

[Chemicle]

Originally posted by DamonJ
I'd download if it was a fair price.
Say a CD in a shop was £10, that includes the cost of design, packaging, the CD itself, transport from warehouses. Then say the CD to legally download is £10 with physically having it, how is that fair?
It isn't, they charge you the same price unfairly where they should give a discount because of all those things, if i was going to get a album, i'd get it from a shop rather than online, if i was gonna get it online, i might aswell just download it.

[melanie]

bigbr0ther, aren't you from America? How do you watch Big Brother UK?

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Spike
bigbr0ther get over it!
People do it and your the last person who is going to stop me, so Im going to download even more now because I don't want to pay and even if I did I don't see the point when I can get it for free.
and now I have got into illegal downloading I feel I can do something as bad now, maybe I will go out and murder someone.

I was going to argue with your point... but you didn't actually make one. :laugh3:

Maybe you'd be more convincing if you used logic to defend your opinions rather than just being rude. :cheer2:

Originally posted by DamonJ
I'd download if it was a fair price.
Say a CD in a shop was £10, that includes the cost of design, packaging, the CD itself, transport from warehouses. Then say the CD to legally download is £10 with physically having it, how is that fair?

I agree that it's too expensive, but I disagree that we have the right to steal anything that costs more than we think it should.

Originally posted by Chemicle
no, that's not what i meant, it was an example, i wouldn't steal a mobile phone, if someone was giving it away (like limewire, people share music) then i would take it, i wouldn't steal one though,

So if someone gave you a stolen mobile phone you would take it?

i don't see the problem in it, millions of people do it, and i'm not going to stop.

This is appeal to common practice, a logical fallacy.

Originally posted by melanie
bigbr0ther, aren't you from America? How do you watch Big Brother UK?

Er... It costs too much anyway. I like a wide range of TV shows. Lots of people do it. Those producers are too rich already! Get over it! THE ALIENS BRAINWASHED ME!

Haha, just kidding. I watch it legally via the Channel 4 website. :blush2:

[Shaun]

bigbr0ther - how do you respond to the argument that downloading music for free is exactly the same, in terms of availability and easiness, as watching the song on YouTube whenever you like? There's absolutely no difference. In fact, with YouTube you even get to watch the music video as well, which is even more than what you get with just an mp3 recording.

As well as this, are artists actually losing anything? Do you see the likes of Rihanna and Mika living in squalor because of this? No. They're living it up at parties and awards and raking the cashflow in, and for those of us without the money to pay for whatever music we want to listen to, which we could do anyway by YouTube, radio, or whenever, it's a much easier and, IMO, morally-sound alternative.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Shaun
bigbr0ther - how do you respond to the argument that downloading music for free is exactly the same, in terms of availability and easiness, as watching the song on YouTube whenever you like? There's absolutely no difference. In fact, with YouTube you even get to watch the music video as well, which is even more than what you get with just an mp3 recording.

The difference is that actually having the song on mp3 is more convenient and accessible to you, and you are paying for that convenience every time you buy a song. You save time searching for the song every time you want to listen, you can put it in your iTunes and add it to playlists, you can put it on your iPod.

If watching on YouTube were easier and better, why wouldn't you just watch it on YouTube instead of ever downloading it?

As well as this, are artists actually losing anything? Do you see the likes of Rihanna and Mika living in squalor because of this? No. They're living it up at parties and awards and raking the cashflow in, and for those of us without the money to pay for whatever music we want to listen to, which we could do anyway by YouTube, radio, or whenever, it's a much easier and, IMO, morally-sound alternative.

"which we could do anyway by YouTube, radio, or whenever" Then why don't you just do that?

It's not okay to steal from someone that has a lot of money, and in any case the money from the music sales doesn't just go to the artist. It gets divided up between a lot of other people on the way, and you're stealing from all of them too. A lot of people and talent go into making a CD, not just the artist.