Should non muslims be made to observe Ramadan fasting

[Sticks]

From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050165/Muslim-council-chiefs-ban-ALL-members-tea-sandwiches-meetings-Ramadan.html)



Councillors have been ordered not to eat during town hall meetings while Muslim colleagues fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

All elected members at Left-wing Tower Hamlets Council in East London have been sent an email asking them to follow strict Islamic fasting during September no matter what their faith.

As well as restricting food and drink until after sunset, the authority's leaders have decided to reduce the number of meetings throughout the month so they do not clash with the requirements of Ramadan.


I half expect that council to impose these rules on employees as well .


At work we have been "instructed" not to invite Muslims to meetings where there is food, as some of the meetings we do cross lunch time and may require a buffet, I suspect we will not be allowed to order buffets, so as not to cause offence.

Or should we be fasting and giving up lunch/ tea breaks etc. so our Muslim colleagues religious views are respected?


Note, most Muslims have not asked for this, this came from the PC brigade

[Nurse57]

I know people assume I am all behind all things PC, but then we knew what assuming did.

I can't agree with this. What if my religion required me during meetings?

[Tom]

No, our country is not a Muslim country. Where I think we should respect their decisions I don't agree with adapting our lives to fit theirs.

[Leonine]

What about those millions of women everywhere who are on permanent 'lettuce leaf on Ryvita' diets? If we work with them should we half starve ourselves to death too just to make life easier on them? I'm always being told off by one particular workmate for leaving too much nice food where she can see it lol!

It should be up to any muslims to ease them selves through Ramadan as best they can. They get holidays like everyone else so could use them to book as much time off as they can during that month so they're at home & away from added pressures.

[Sticks]

How this story is reported in the Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2638808/Councillors-told-not-to-eat-during-Ramadan-meetings.html)


Is this some back tracking? (http://www.24dash.com/news/Local_Government/2008-08-29-Tower-Hamlets-denies-imposing-Ramadan-request-on-council-staff)

Still not sure what I will be doing on Monday at work, given what we were given in terms of "guidance"

[bananarama]

The only people who should stop eating are the PC brigade....

[Llamajohn]

If we were in a muslim country we should respect it.
But we are....christian i think?
Church of england
protestant
catholic
one of them things.

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by bananarama
The only people who should stop eating are the PC brigade....

forever?

what a great idea, a slow and painful death by starvation, thats much better than the ideas I had for em... by about 3-4 hours more pain:whistle:

[Tom4784]

A resounding NO! to the topic question. The PC brigade's going overboard, why should anyone change eating habbits due to somebody else's religious belief? Woud any other religion be given rights like these?

The way I see it Politics and religion shouldn't mix and you should never force the codes and traditions of religion onto people because some Jumped up power-mad t*** thinks we might offend someone.

[Scarlett.]

Should Muslims be made to observe Lent?

[Llamajohn]

Why don't we all just ovserve all religious times?

We may starve a bit...but at least we'd get loadsa presents :)

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Llamajohn
If we were in a muslim country we should respect it.
But we are....christian i think?
Church of england
protestant
catholic
one of them things.


One of them things!!!!!! Brilliant. A perfect description for religion.....

Only the religious should respect their own religion. None believers should tell control freak religious institutions to take a running jump off a tower block of flats....

[Sticks]

I will have to go and visit the Halal Fish and Chip shop to see what the guy there says.

[Sticks]

Well I tried to ask if the guy was out of order for imposing Islamic fasts on non-muslims, but I did not seem to get an answer.

Maybe I fluffed the question.

I did get a nice samosa and a fish cake though

[andyman]

Oh boy oh boy i can't wait to put up my winter tree!

[Leonine]

Originally posted by andyman
Oh boy oh boy i can't wait to put up my winter tree!

We've got 'Spooky Night' on 31/10/08 to look forward to before that.

Seriously ...that's what our kid's halloween party at work was called in case we offended any Witchfinder Generals who happened to be passing!

[Sunny_01]

This is the PC brigade gone totally mad. So what about those of us that actually want to eat at lunch time even if it does coincide with a meeting. I would not be happy if my rights to eat were restricted because of something like this. I respect Muslims and their choice to fast during Ramadam but that surely doesnt mean I have to does it. I wonder when people are going to remove meat from buffets on a friday and only serve non meat items and fish to respect the Catholic faith?

[Fom]

I respect Muslims 100% but why the hell should un muslim people do muslim things? We dont force them to have christmas? Yes its all around them but so is Ramadam... alot of my friends and my brother are going to be having Ramadam, doesnt mean I do it!
What a stupid and pathetic Idea... there is a difference from people respecting a religion then telling them they cant eat at a certain because of someone else's religion!

[Spike]

We should respect muslims and their beliefs but that shouldn't happen
I actually can't believe this country at times, its not even a muslim country
I respect peoples beliefs but I wouldn't change the way I live my life to suit different people. They can't ban you from eating

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Sticks
From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050165/Muslim-council-chiefs-ban-ALL-members-tea-sandwiches-meetings-Ramadan.html)



Councillors have been ordered not to eat during town hall meetings while Muslim colleagues fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

All elected members at Left-wing Tower Hamlets Council in East London have been sent an email asking them to follow strict Islamic fasting during September no matter what their faith.

As well as restricting food and drink until after sunset, the authority's leaders have decided to reduce the number of meetings throughout the month so they do not clash with the requirements of Ramadan.


I half expect that council to impose these rules on employees as well .


At work we have been "instructed" not to invite Muslims to meetings where there is food, as some of the meetings we do cross lunch time and may require a buffet, I suspect we will not be allowed to order buffets, so as not to cause offence.

Or should we be fasting and giving up lunch/ tea breaks etc. so our Muslim colleagues religious views are respected?


Note, most Muslims have not asked for this, this came from the PC brigade

Not having buffets when there are Muslims around is just a sign of respect and make sense, as does having fewer meetings, but people shouldn't be forced to stop eating completely. They just shouldn't do it in front of Muslims.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I wonder when people are going to remove meat from buffets on a friday and only serve non meat items and fish to respect the Catholic faith?

Actually I was at an event where they purposely did not serve meet so as not to offend vegetarians and possibly those of other faiths

That was in 2005

:rolleyes:

[Sticks]

btw any idea where Fahead is, I was wondering what his take on what happened at tower hamlets is.

[30stone]

Why should we not eat infront of them its their choice not to eat not ours?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
I will have to go and visit the Halal Fish and Chip shop to see what the guy there says.


Could you ask them if they say a prayer over each potatoe before turning it into chips......If so it must take a pretty long time to get served......

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Sticks
I will have to go and visit the Halal Fish and Chip shop to see what the guy there says.


Could you ask them if they say a prayer over each potatoe before turning it into chips......If so it must take a pretty long time to get served......

and while your there ask em if they intend to close there business whilst the fast is on, I'm sure you'll get a swiftter response than the serving time.

Religious principles and beliefs V money, now i wonder who will win this time :whistle:

[andyman]

Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?


Sleep walking into any control freak religious instituion is certainly a bad thing......

[andyman]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?


Sleep walking into any control freak religious instituion is certainly a bad thing...... The saudi's are pumping alot of money into islamic schools across the world... More so the middle east and western europe, and its their islam which is very controling...
But not all muslims are the same and some areas in the middle east and eastern europe they are against the saudi version islam, and even women can prey with the men but like i said thats only some areas.

Wacky PC councils and government think tanks should hang their heads in shame with idea's they come up with and force upon us... The problem is that they think their doing us good but all it does is cause more problems for muslims and non muslims.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?


Sleep walking into any control freak religious instituion is certainly a bad thing...... The saudi's are pumping alot of money into islamic schools across the world... More so the middle east and western europe, and its their islam which is very controling...
But not all muslims are the same and some areas in the middle east and eastern europe they are against the saudi version islam, and even women can prey with the men but like i said thats only some areas.

Wacky PC councils and government think tanks should hang their heads in shame with idea's they come up with and force upon us... The problem is that they think their doing us good but all it does is cause more problems for muslims and non muslims.

It's not just islamic. All religions with their control freak institutions and man made rules and dogma are a danger to a free society......

Children get groomed into what ever faith there parents may be addicted to......Then when they are adults they spread the same muck on to their children and so the maddness goes on generation after generation.........

[andyman]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?


Sleep walking into any control freak religious instituion is certainly a bad thing...... The saudi's are pumping alot of money into islamic schools across the world... More so the middle east and western europe, and its their islam which is very controling...
But not all muslims are the same and some areas in the middle east and eastern europe they are against the saudi version islam, and even women can prey with the men but like i said thats only some areas.

Wacky PC councils and government think tanks should hang their heads in shame with idea's they come up with and force upon us... The problem is that they think their doing us good but all it does is cause more problems for muslims and non muslims.

It's not just islamic. All religions with their control freak institutions and man made rules and dogma are a danger to a free society......

Children get groomed into what ever faith there parents may be addicted to......Then when they are adults they spread the same muck on to their children and so the maddness goes on generation after generation......... Thats true! Very true and christian money is being put into some schools with the blessing of our government. That leads them having more control of young minds. They have a say with the history and science lessons in the schools.... Ask some which is true, science or god... Many will pick god because thats what they know and another factor that many use.... Fear!
Same thing happens in the middle east and more so in gaza, land of the philistines. Anti-jewish lessons.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?


Sleep walking into any control freak religious instituion is certainly a bad thing...... The saudi's are pumping alot of money into islamic schools across the world... More so the middle east and western europe, and its their islam which is very controling...
But not all muslims are the same and some areas in the middle east and eastern europe they are against the saudi version islam, and even women can prey with the men but like i said thats only some areas.

Wacky PC councils and government think tanks should hang their heads in shame with idea's they come up with and force upon us... The problem is that they think their doing us good but all it does is cause more problems for muslims and non muslims.

It's not just islamic. All religions with their control freak institutions and man made rules and dogma are a danger to a free society......

Children get groomed into what ever faith there parents may be addicted to......Then when they are adults they spread the same muck on to their children and so the maddness goes on generation after generation......... Thats true! Very true and christian money is being put into some schools with the blessing of our government. That leads them having more control of young minds. They have a say with the history and science lessons in the schools.... Ask some which is true, science or god... Many will pick god because thats what they know and another factor that many use.... Fear!
Same thing happens in the middle east and more so in gaza, land of the philistines. Anti-jewish lessons.


There was a program on tv recently about christian fundamentalism. The creeps were teaching very young children that the world was made by god in seven days.......The thing is it was not religious teaching it was classified as science.......They should be thrown in jail for grooming children with false rubbish......

Bush/Blair.Both have religious mania now look what we have in iraq as a result of the delusional minds of religious leaders...

[andyman]

I thought iraq was the idea of the neo-cons?
Yeah its true and these kids are being brainwashed non stop... The bible belt springs to mind. Even science in our schools are falling...

[Sticks]

Actually I get a seafood pizza rather than fish and chips from him usually. (Some times it is Chicken and Chips)

I think he opens mainly in the evening, if so he is definitely after the Iftar meal.

Anyhue, there people, and those at Chicken Cottage, the Halal version of KFC were not the ones calling for this AFAIK But I will be looking out for Chicken Cottage.

Still not sure if I should make my sandwiches up tomorrow :rolleyes:

[cliffsbananas]

Originally posted by bananarama
The only people who should stop eating are the PC brigade....

Preferably forever:wavey:

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by 30stone
Why should we not eat infront of them its their choice not to eat not ours?

The same way you wouldn't eat meat in front of a vegetarian. It's just a sign of respect for the Muslims' religion. To eat in front of a Muslim during fasting would be extremely rude and inconsiderate, in my opinion. Simply waiting a couple hours to eat can make a huge difference. If your religion required fasting you wouldn't want others eating right in your face, so there's no reason why you shouldn't give that same respect to Muslims.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by 30stone
Why should we not eat infront of them its their choice not to eat not ours?

The same way you wouldn't eat meat in front of a vegetarian. It's just a sign of respect for the Muslims' religion. To eat in front of a Muslim during fasting would be extremely rude and inconsiderate, in my opinion. Simply waiting a couple hours to eat can make a huge difference. If your religion required fasting you wouldn't want others eating right in your face, so there's no reason why you shouldn't give that same respect to Muslims.

I cannot agree with that in any shape or form...Of course it is not being disrespectfull to eat meat in front of a vegetarian....

My cousin used to be vegiterian and had no objections as to what other people wanted to eat infront of her.

The principle is no one should use there personal belief to make some one else feel guilty enough to pander to a belief one does not have..

The muslim eating habits are there problem and there problem alone and should not spill over into any others beliefs..
Same applies to vegitarians or any group that has a specific belief......

All should accept each others beliefs but under no circumstances should pander to each persons belief that goes against your own......

In other words if food fasting individual chooses to eat with those that are not fasting then they should respect the right of the none fasting individual to behave as per normal for them just as the fasting person is behaving normal for them.....

It's not a question of respect it is a question of living your life and not allowing the social or religious habits of others to intimidate how you live your life.....

[Leonine]

Originally posted by bananarama

I cannot agree with that in any shape or form...Of course it is not being disrespectfull to eat meat in front of a vegetarian....

My cousin used to be vegiterian and had no objections as to what other people wanted to eat infront of her.

The principle is no one should use there personal belief to make some one else feel guilty enough to pander to a belief one does not have..

The muslim eating habits are there problem and there problem alone and should not spill over into any others beliefs..
Same applies to vegitarians or any group that has a specific belief......

All should accept each others beliefs but under no circumstances should pander to each persons belief that goes against your own......

In other words if food fasting individual chooses to eat with those that are not fasting then they should respect the right of the none fasting individual to behave as per normal for them just as the fasting person is behaving normal for them.....

It's not a question of respect it is a question of living your life and not allowing the social or religious habits of others to intimidate how you live your life.....

Totally agree. And I'm a vegetarian.

[marctierman]

That's disgusting because if it was the other way round there would be outrage, God, I hate this country lmao

[andyman]

Originally posted by Sticks
Actually I get a seafood pizza rather than fish and chips from him usually. (Some times it is Chicken and Chips)

I think he opens mainly in the evening, if so he is definitely after the Iftar meal.

Anyhue, there people, and those at Chicken Cottage, the Halal version of KFC were not the ones calling for this AFAIK But I will be looking out for Chicken Cottage.

Still not sure if I should make my sandwiches up tomorrow :rolleyes: Just don't get caught cottaging...

[Sticks]

I have U2'd Fahad to come over and visit the thread, but so far no sign of him.

Chicken cottage, the Halal version of KFC were trading as normal.

[Shaun]

The article in the OP seems to only suggest that it'd be disallowed to eat "during meetings". Surely if you're in a meeting with a muslim following Ramadan traditions, it'd be common courtesy not to eat in front of them.

However, what I do disagree with is that there has to be legislation for this. There's no need for legal interference, even though I do agree with the principle.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by bananarama
I cannot agree with that in any shape or form...Of course it is not being disrespectfull to eat meat in front of a vegetarian....

My cousin used to be vegiterian and had no objections as to what other people wanted to eat infront of her.


I don't mind it either but my dad used to get KFC chicken then eat it going "MMMMMMM!" really loudly and "Oh, this is just great! MMMMMMM!" and exaggerating his chewing and such. I found this to be a bit rude. This isn't just how he eats, he only did it in front of me as a way of shoving in my face "Haha, I don't agree with what you're not doing, and look, I'm doing it and you can't stop me!" So for the same reason I would never eat in front of a Muslim during fasting. "Mmm... this food tastes so good, shame you're fasting because it's really delicious... MMMMMM! YUUUUM! Soooo good...." Come on. Is it REALLY such a huge deal to wait just a couple of hours to eat so as not to do it in front of a Muslim? It's not THAT big of an inconvenience, and I've never heard of buffets at meetings anyway. And let's face it, if your religion called for fasting you wouldn't want others throwing food in your face either.

[andyman]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by bananarama
I cannot agree with that in any shape or form...Of course it is not being disrespectfull to eat meat in front of a vegetarian....

My cousin used to be vegiterian and had no objections as to what other people wanted to eat infront of her.


I don't mind it either but my dad used to get KFC chicken then eat it going "MMMMMMM!" really loudly and "Oh, this is just great! MMMMMMM!" and exaggerating his chewing and such. I found this to be a bit rude. This isn't just how he eats, he only did it in front of me as a way of shoving in my face "Haha, I don't agree with what you're not doing, and look, I'm doing it and you can't stop me!" So for the same reason I would never eat in front of a Muslim during fasting. "Mmm... this food tastes so good, shame you're fasting because it's really delicious... MMMMMM! YUUUUM! Soooo good...." Come on. Is it REALLY such a huge deal to wait just a couple of hours to eat so as not to do it in front of a Muslim? It's not THAT big of an inconvenience, and I've never heard of buffets at meetings anyway. And let's face it, if your religion called for fasting you wouldn't want others throwing food in your face either. Then what next? It will be more rules to please muslims, but this is a christian country with christian history, the PC nutjobs would rather we have islamic history!.. One little rule leads to another... and another.

*winter lights* ....... *winter gifts*...

[Sticks]

I had one flippant thought

This argument in Tower Hamlets has been a Ramadan ding dong


Oh dear I am showing my age :blush:

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by andymanThen what next? It will be more rules to please muslims, but this is a christian country with christian history, the PC nutjobs would rather we have islamic history!.. One little rule leads to another... and another.

*winter lights* ....... *winter gifts*...

I'm not saying it should be a law, but I'm saying you should do it out of respect for Muslims and their culture. If Christians had a fasting period, I would say that Muslims should, during that period, not eat in front of Christians either. They should respect our religion, but in the same way we should respect their religion.

[farhad]

Originally posted by Sticks
From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050165/Muslim-council-chiefs-ban-ALL-members-tea-sandwiches-meetings-Ramadan.html)



Councillors have been ordered not to eat during town hall meetings while Muslim colleagues fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

All elected members at Left-wing Tower Hamlets Council in East London have been sent an email asking them to follow strict Islamic fasting during September no matter what their faith.

As well as restricting food and drink until after sunset, the authority's leaders have decided to reduce the number of meetings throughout the month so they do not clash with the requirements of Ramadan.


I half expect that council to impose these rules on employees as well .


At work we have been "instructed" not to invite Muslims to meetings where there is food, as some of the meetings we do cross lunch time and may require a buffet, I suspect we will not be allowed to order buffets, so as not to cause offence.

Or should we be fasting and giving up lunch/ tea breaks etc. so our Muslim colleagues religious views are respected?


Note, most Muslims have not asked for this, this came from the PC brigade

Sounds like another prejudism against muslims. Ramadam basically is a month where finacially abled muslims have to fast and put themselves in the position of those who cannot afford food or dying of starvation in poor countries, once the month is over then muslims have to give 2.5%of their work earning to charity. hope that clears it up.

[andyman]

Yes we know that! But thats not what we are talking about.
Its about far left wacko's forcing rules down non muslims throats in a christian country!! Like i said its sleepwalking into a islamic state.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by farhad
Sounds like another prejudism against muslims. Ramadam basically is a month where finacially abled muslims have to fast and put themselves in the position of those who cannot afford food or dying of starvation in poor countries, once the month is over then muslims have to give 2.5%of their work earning to charity. hope that clears it up.

Thank you for coming in here, and Ramadan Mubarak

We understand that Ramadan is obligitory on muslims, that is not in question

However the initial reports were that the labour leader of the council and his deputy who happen to be muslims, did issue a memo which appeared to be imposing the fast on non-muslims, which was what the fuss seemed to be about.

The person objecting is a Liberal Democrat, and she has two members who are muslims who said the memo was not right.

The concern is that the rules of the Ramadan fast were being imposed on Non-Muslims, and that was what I was wondering about. Is it Islamic to impose Islamic fasts on non-muslems?

[andyman]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by farhad
Sounds like another prejudism against muslims. Ramadam basically is a month where finacially abled muslims have to fast and put themselves in the position of those who cannot afford food or dying of starvation in poor countries, once the month is over then muslims have to give 2.5%of their work earning to charity. hope that clears it up.

Thank you for coming in here, and Ramadan Mubarak

We understand that Ramadan is obligitory on muslims, that is not in question

However the initial reports were that the labour leader of the council and his deputy who happen to be muslims, did issue a memo which appeared to be imposing the fast on non-muslims, which was what the fuss seemed to be about.

The person objecting is a Liberal Democrat, and she has two members who are muslims who said the memo was not right.

The concern is that the rules of the Ramadan fast were being imposed on Non-Muslims, and that was what I was wondering about. Is it Islamic to impose Islamic fasts on non-muslems? Any man that has faith would like to share his faith with others... I said to a muslim what would make your day, he said "for you to become a muslim"

[farhad]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by farhad
Sounds like another prejudism against muslims. Ramadam basically is a month where finacially abled muslims have to fast and put themselves in the position of those who cannot afford food or dying of starvation in poor countries, once the month is over then muslims have to give 2.5%of their work earning to charity. hope that clears it up.

Thank you for coming in here, and Ramadan Mubarak

We understand that Ramadan is obligitory on muslims, that is not in question

However the initial reports were that the labour leader of the council and his deputy who happen to be muslims, did issue a memo which appeared to be imposing the fast on non-muslims, which was what the fuss seemed to be about.

The person objecting is a Liberal Democrat, and she has two members who are muslims who said the memo was not right.

The concern is that the rules of the Ramadan fast were being imposed on Non-Muslims, and that was what I was wondering about. Is it Islamic to impose Islamic fasts on non-muslems?

Thanks for Ramadam Mubarak.:spin2:

Regarding muslim imposing Ramadam fast on non-muslim is not something i would agree on, for example someone imposing non halal meat to mulims will be wrong just as muslims imposing something on someone who are not part of the faith.

[andyman]

But still we have wacko lefties in government pushing these rules down non muslims throats, which will only make non muslims dislike muslims...
But the real problem is saudi money funding islamic schools to teach their islam where the jews and christians are pigs! Now to a young mind over time he/she will take that as the truth... Land of the kuffar.

[farhad]

Originally posted by andyman
But still we have wacko lefties in government pushing these rules down non muslims throats, which will only make non muslims dislike muslims...
But the real problem is saudi money funding islamic schools to teach their islam where the jews and christians are pigs! Now to a young mind over time he/she will take that as the truth... Land of the kuffar.

Some Jews and Christian's were turned into pigs according Quran at the time where God revealed the holy book to them, but they rejected the messengers, started worshiping a man than the creator, corrupted and changed the text of the books, in which Allah turned these generation into Apes, just read the book in context man. Anyway notice how Allah makes link to human and ape, which evolutionist says humans share 98% of DNA of Chimps. The statement in Quran has also scientific basis.

[Conor]

Its all really pointless and annoying. I don't care about what Muslims do and where, but we shouldn't have to aswell. What really gets me is the toning down of Christmas plans and less Lights and street decorations as it might offend people :rolleyes:

[Xander]

No, why should we?

I really do not care about Ramadan, and why should I, I'm not muslim, this isn't a muslim country although with the rate of bloody immigration there will be more than christians at this rate. So no, I don't care, why should we have to adapt our lives for immigrants, which at the end of the day is partly true.

[cliffsbananas]

No................

[andyman]

Originally posted by farhad
Originally posted by andyman
But still we have wacko lefties in government pushing these rules down non muslims throats, which will only make non muslims dislike muslims...
But the real problem is saudi money funding islamic schools to teach their islam where the jews and christians are pigs! Now to a young mind over time he/she will take that as the truth... Land of the kuffar.

Some Jews and Christian's were turned into pigs according Quran at the time where God revealed the holy book to them, but they rejected the messengers, started worshiping a man than the creator, corrupted and changed the text of the books, in which Allah turned these generation into Apes, just read the book in context man. Anyway notice how Allah makes link to human and ape, which evolutionist says humans share 98% of DNA of Chimps. The statement in Quran has also scientific basis. So your saying that the quran contains scientific facts? Hats off to the Quraysh tribe.

[bigbr0ther]

All this really comes down to is the arrogance of Christians thinking their religion is better than others'. If Christians had a fasting period then they wouldn't want Muslims throwing food in their faces during that period, and so they should give Muslims that same respect.

[andyman]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther
All this really comes down to is the arrogance of Christians thinking their religion is better than others'. If Christians had a fasting period then they wouldn't want Muslims throwing food in their faces during that period, and so they should give Muslims that same respect. The PC nut jobs will love you!

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
All this really comes down to is the arrogance of Christians thinking their religion is better than others'. If Christians had a fasting period then they wouldn't want Muslims throwing food in their faces during that period, and so they should give Muslims that same respect. The PC nut jobs will love you!

Would you care to make an actual point rather than just a snide remark? :wink:

[ange7]

Originally posted by Llamajohn
If we were in a muslim country we should respect it.
But we are....christian i think?
Church of england
protestant
catholic
one of them things.
mahahahah

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Oh boy oh boy i can't wait to put up my winter tree!
call Rachel to help you....

[ange7]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Sticks
I will have to go and visit the Halal Fish and Chip shop to see what the guy there says.


Could you ask them if they say a prayer over each potatoe before turning it into chips......If so it must take a pretty long time to get served......
what? heheh
work out how long that takes and get back to us will you.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Sleepwalking into a islamic state... Same thing happend to the romans with the christians. Would it be a bad thing?
yes hehe ... go on ...inflame the debate you idiot hehehe ... your in your element here aren't you....

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by farhad
Sounds like another prejudism against muslims. Ramadam basically is a month where finacially abled muslims have to fast and put themselves in the position of those who cannot afford food or dying of starvation in poor countries, once the month is over then muslims have to give 2.5%of their work earning to charity. hope that clears it up.

Thank you for coming in here, and Ramadan Mubarak

We understand that Ramadan is obligitory on muslims, that is not in question

However the initial reports were that the labour leader of the council and his deputy who happen to be muslims, did issue a memo which appeared to be imposing the fast on non-muslims, which was what the fuss seemed to be about.

The person objecting is a Liberal Democrat, and she has two members who are muslims who said the memo was not right.

The concern is that the rules of the Ramadan fast were being imposed on Non-Muslims, and that was what I was wondering about. Is it Islamic to impose Islamic fasts on non-muslems? Any man that has faith would like to share his faith with others... I said to a muslim what would make your day, he said "for you to become a muslim"
andy ... your a fruit loop ... every post of your is trying to incite HATE... hehe
for staters you didn't ask a muslim "what would make your day?"... 2nd.. we're not basing any arguments on the answer for ONE fictitious muslim person who I think you've made up made.
This is a great debate about HOW tolerant and understanding a society should be ... let's talk about that..... you seem to rabbit on about "Oh the "muslims" want to take OVER". We all get who you Andyman. .. now get back into your dark little hole and ssssh.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Sticks
I have U2'd Fahad to come over and visit the thread, but so far no sign of him.

Chicken cottage, the Halal version of KFC were trading as normal.
lol keep us all updated!!!!
"for the latest news .. over to our intrepid reporter sticks AT THE KFC" mahahaha

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by bigbr0ther
Originally posted by bananarama
I cannot agree with that in any shape or form...Of course it is not being disrespectfull to eat meat in front of a vegetarian....

My cousin used to be vegiterian and had no objections as to what other people wanted to eat infront of her.


I don't mind it either but my dad used to get KFC chicken then eat it going "MMMMMMM!" really loudly and "Oh, this is just great! MMMMMMM!" and exaggerating his chewing and such. I found this to be a bit rude. This isn't just how he eats, he only did it in front of me as a way of shoving in my face "Haha, I don't agree with what you're not doing, and look, I'm doing it and you can't stop me!" So for the same reason I would never eat in front of a Muslim during fasting. "Mmm... this food tastes so good, shame you're fasting because it's really delicious... MMMMMM! YUUUUM! Soooo good...." Come on. Is it REALLY such a huge deal to wait just a couple of hours to eat so as not to do it in front of a Muslim? It's not THAT big of an inconvenience, and I've never heard of buffets at meetings anyway. And let's face it, if your religion called for fasting you wouldn't want others throwing food in your face either. Then what next? It will be more rules to please muslims, but this is a christian country with christian history, the PC nutjobs would rather we have islamic history!.. One little rule leads to another... and another.

*winter lights* ....... *winter gifts*...
"the PC nutjobs would rather we have islamic history!"
you are OFFICIALLY a nut job ... come get it stamped on your forehead :tongue::tongue:

[ange7]

the prob in England is you have no ******ING clue what mulitcuturalism is. It's not just tolerance ... ( to tolerate ...to put up with to have to suffer someone...lol). Mulitcuturalism is about UNDERSTANDING a different culture or sub culture and then through that... respect it.
That's hard work!! VERY HARD and it would be nice with people made an effort to understand where others are coming from ...lol but some couldn't be @ssed and would rather hide under a rock ...and if they did JUST that then great,...problem is that they peak their nasty heads out from under those rocks everynow and then.... to incite hate." they are trying to take over!!!", "I spoke to one today and he said blah blah..".."Should non muslims be forced to fast" mahahaha ....
Respect for something DOESN'T mean you become IT. Should it be legislated? no way ... should people be forced to respect others? ....no!! It's should and will evolve. That councill ( being a coucil) voted on it and decide yes let's do it.... let's not eat infront of our Muslim council mates ...fine ... but to turn that into sticks's "will we all be forced to observe fasting" is amazingly stupid. ( oh and please don't respond with "oh la dee da your being ever so rude" ... I didn't start a HATE thread like this one!!.
Respecting others is PC .... forcing it on people IS ... and it's a waste of time .... changes like this ie RESPECT ... can't be forced from the top ... it has to graw and be nurtured. My advice is GET OUT OF THE HOUSE and meet some people .. and not just the same types everytime.

:hug::hug::hug::hug:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Sticks
I have U2'd Fahad to come over and visit the thread, but so far no sign of him.

Chicken cottage, the Halal version of KFC were trading as normal.
lol keep us all updated!!!!
"for the latest news .. over to our intrepid reporter sticks AT THE KFC" mahahaha

Chicken cottage is trading as normal

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by ange7
the prob in England is you have no ******ING clue what mulitcuturalism is. It's not just tolerance ... ( to tolerate ...to put up with to have to suffer someone...lol). Mulitcuturalism is about UNDERSTANDING a different culture or sub culture and then through that... respect it.
That's hard work!! VERY HARD and it would be nice with people made an effort to understand where others are coming from ...lol but some couldn't be @ssed and would rather hide under a rock ...and if they did JUST that then great,...problem is that they peak their nasty heads out from under those rocks everynow and then.... to incite hate." they are trying to take over!!!", "I spoke to one today and he said blah blah..".."Should non muslims be forced to fast" mahahaha ....
Respect for something DOESN'T mean you become IT. Should it be legislated? no way ... should people be forced to respect others? ....no!! It's should and will evolve. That councill ( being a coucil) voted on it and decide yes let's do it.... let's not eat infront of our Muslim council mates ...fine ... but to turn that into sticks's "will we all be forced to observe fasting" is amazingly stupid. ( oh and please don't respond with "oh la dee da your being ever so rude" ... I didn't start a HATE thread like this one!!.
Respecting others is PC .... forcing it on people IS ... and it's a waste of time .... changes like this ie RESPECT ... can't be forced from the top ... it has to graw and be nurtured. My advice is GET OUT OF THE HOUSE and meet some people .. and not just the same types everytime.

:hug::hug::hug::hug:

Well said!
No surprise that Sticks didn't bother to respond. :)

[Sticks]

This thread was based on a memo that was issued by London Borough of Tower Hamlets, which Muslims in other parties on the council were against as well.

It was directed at the PC industry, not the Muslims, that sets it self up as their champion whether the Muslims asked for this or not. (They did not)

[ange7]

Originally posted by Sticks
This thread was based on a memo that was issued by London Borough of Tower Hamlets, which Muslims in other parties on the council were against as well.

It was directed at the PC industry, not the Muslims, that sets it self up as their champion whether the Muslims asked for this or not. (They did not)
Took ages for a response ... what happened to all you passionate "pc haters" hehe which is code for rednecks lol.
Sticks...YOUR the one on the stake out of your local halal KFC and reporting their closing times....mahahah!! ridiculous!!!! ...how does that fit in with your lie of 'I'm going after the "PC industry, not the Muslims"'. Your racism is WORSE than Andyman's because at least andy comes out and says the crazy rubbish out loud you on the other hand hide behind this anti PC line and no one would be more surprised that your racist than YOU. hehe. Sticks.... you have heard the nut job andy trying to turn this debate into "hey they all want to take over!! ...yeah I spoke to one and that's what he confided to ME" ..lol. You didn't pull that sickening fool in line did you. Your silence told ME where you're coming from.

Idiot Rednecks ALWAYS hide their hate behind "oh it's PC gone Mad"....oh the "good'ol'days" when I could act like a total *****w*t and not have to worry..."oh it's all so confusing nowadays". That's not to say all those for a less PC society are racists ... .. but it is where alot of rednecks hide their racism.
We all know when the PC stuff goes too far....it's heart is in the right place but trying to force people to love or respect others via legislation often only results in resentment... which in turn is fodder for more hate crimes.

This isn't a story about political correctness ... these councillors VOTED to do it themselves. When YOUR political reps vote to FORCE you to do it respect other races, religions, the handicapped etc then that SOMETIMES is political correctness gone mad.

oh and come on andyman .. come out from under that rock ... let's here it hehe

[Sticks]

I could not respond earlier due to other things I had to attend to, and this discussion got moved down the to-do list

I actually like to have good discussions at my Halal fish and chip shop with the proprietor there, a devout muslim, and he has even given me a copy of the Koran which has pride of place in my library. Hardly Islamophobic.

As for other races, I have been a member of a black afro-carribean church in my time, and our currant one has a number of nationalities. I have even entertained people in my flat from different parts of the world. Hardly the actions of a card carrying member of the BNP.

The councillors did not vote for what was in the memo, it was in essence a dictat, which implied that non-muslims were to be told to observe a muslim fast. Even our resident Muslim proponent agrees that this fast should not be imposed on non muslims. Coupled with this, at work we were given instructions about "Ramadan" ettiquete which lead one to wonder if certain powers were expecting non-muslims to do what even Muslims were saying is wrong.

The PC industry in it's new cloak of Diversity Awareness has taken on Stalinesque powers, and got a lot of people anxious that they might be stomped on for the slightest infraction of rule of the PC lobby.

[ange7]

Sticks your silence while andy had his "musilms want to take over!!" rant spoke volumes VOLUMES mate! end of!!
...certainly more than your nice story about where you buy your fish'n'chips... lol ....if that's your best demo of your cultural openness then god help you. ... oh and then the guy at the chippie gave you a Koran ....(or Qur'an mate?) ...clearly you can't see it from where it has pride of place on your library other wise you'd be able to spell it's title. Leads me to think you made that all up ..anyway sounds like your trying to back up Andy's point about Muslims wanting to convert us all.

"Even our resident Muslim proponent agrees"
2 points here .... one ...pointless I did say IT was pc madness to FORCE RESPECT .... so the above was of no relevance and was just more "filler" argument.
Secondly our "resident Muslim" ( what??!!) HE isn't the last say on this stuff simply because he is muslin. If you have an argument kindly bring it on and don't resort to trying to trump an argument with the age old redneck cliché "yeah but THEY don't mind" hehe.
"it was in essence a dictat"
A "dictat" was it!!??.... or is this you fanning the flames. It was hardly an ORDER! ..you Sticks have ramped that word up.
"certain powers" .... what certain powers sherlock? ... this isn't the DaVinci code and your NOT on some kind of quest trying unravel a conspiracy... lol
"PC industry in it's new cloak of Diversity Awareness"
again all the "cloak" and dagger conspiracy theory stuff ... oooh but Sticks is on the case... thank ****** for that hehe. ... and since when was cultural awareness NEW in terms of what is or isn't PC. ... have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years?
"got a lot of people anxious" ... no just rednecks.

Summing up ...your a scary born again Christian or a wing nut who thinks there are powers at work behind the scenes working through the PC "industry" who trying to take over lol.... either way .....you scare me silly.

[ange7]

bump for rednecks :pat:

[ange7]

bump

[Nurse57]

For those that go on about winter lights and the like. Have you actually experienced this or just read about it in the Daily Race hate... I mean Mail?

[Sticks]

Strangely enough, when I was looking at this thread prior to loggin in from a public pc, I saw an advert for Muslim Matrimonials (http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BGb4uzdjLSK34Hpno0AaTqNn3C4iN81Ke7au9BcCNtwGQsA oQARgBIJqUpwY4AFDmhrrg_v____8BYLv-yYPcCqABqNG--AOyARh3d3cudGhpc2lzYmlnYnJvdGhlci5jb226AQk3Mjh4OTB fYXPIAQPaAUVodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRoaXNpc2JpZ2Jyb3RoZXIuY 29tL2ZvcnVtL3ZpZXd0aHJlYWQucGhwP3RpZD05NTg0MiZwYWd lPTSAAgHIAtKxgwWoAwHIAwXoA-YC6APkBvUDAAEAAPUDAAgCAIgEAZAEAZgEAA&num=1&ggladgrp=8048080704992158630&gglcreat=8490576509705412447&adurl=http://www.Muslima.com/%3Fovchn%3DGGL%26ovcpn%3DEnglish%2BUK%2BMuslim%2BC ompetitors%26ovcrn%3Dtwo%2Bmuslims%26ovtac%3DPPC&client=ca-pub-3469154768496870&nm=3) :conf2:

[ange7]

Originally posted by Sticks
Strangely enough, when I was looking at this thread prior to loggin in from a public pc, I saw an advert for Muslim Matrimonials (http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BGb4uzdjLSK34Hpno0AaTqNn3C4iN81Ke7au9BcCNtwGQsA oQARgBIJqUpwY4AFDmhrrg_v____8BYLv-yYPcCqABqNG--AOyARh3d3cudGhpc2lzYmlnYnJvdGhlci5jb226AQk3Mjh4OTB fYXPIAQPaAUVodHRwOi8vd3d3LnRoaXNpc2JpZ2Jyb3RoZXIuY 29tL2ZvcnVtL3ZpZXd0aHJlYWQucGhwP3RpZD05NTg0MiZwYWd lPTSAAgHIAtKxgwWoAwHIAwXoA-YC6APkBvUDAAEAAPUDAAgCAIgEAZAEAZgEAA&num=1&ggladgrp=8048080704992158630&gglcreat=8490576509705412447&adurl=http://www.Muslima.com/%3Fovchn%3DGGL%26ovcpn%3DEnglish%2BUK%2BMuslim%2BC ompetitors%26ovcrn%3Dtwo%2Bmuslims%26ovtac%3DPPC&client=ca-pub-3469154768496870&nm=3) :conf2:

Stranger still ... you posted the link hoping to make some kind of point ... help me out ... what was your point?... no wait I'm not interested in another smokescreen...don't side step my last posts ... I pretty much accused you of being a racist OR a crazed conspiracy theorist who sees patterns everywhere that tell him "the PC Industry" are "behind everything". Any reply from you?... or from your RACIST REDNECK mate Andyman who said muslins secretly want to take over Britain and turn EVERYONE Muslim. I've been waiting for a week for a decent answer from either you Sticks or you very good friend Andyman. ( lol aren't you the quite one?)

This forum AMAZES me. I got a 24 hour ban for telling someone that being sexually aroused by childlike goo goo ga ga Rachel was akin to being a pedo ... but on this thread someone is trying to incite a religious hate crime but admin do NOTHING. JOKE!.

[Sticks]

I was not really making any point about the link, it just seemed bizarre that it appeared, as when I am logged in I do not see any links to any adverts.

As for race hate or islamophobia, it was pointed out that Muslims did not agree with the initial edict / memo. The councillor complaining said how they respected the Muslim's beliefs, it was their fast being imposed on non muslims she objected to. Our resident Muslim poster also agreed.

I raised this, because at the same time this memo was issued in the London borough of Tower Hamlets, we were issued with "guidance" at work about Ramadan.

My concern is that some "well meaning" person somewhere in Human Resources might decide everyone ought to observe this fast in order to "Value diversity" These are the same people who ban Christmas as it might offend those of other faiths, when those in the other faiths get mystified at us doing it.

These things have happened, like Winterville in Birmingham and schools holding "Mid winter parties" instead of Christmas parties, because someone told them that would offend people of other faiths. It is not the people of other faiths calling for this, but people from the liberal intelligentsia.

I was not getting at Muslims, but those who take it upon them selves who act on their behalf with out finding out if the people they are acting for want them doing so at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
We should respect muslims and their beliefs but that shouldn't happen
I actually can't believe this country at times, its not even a muslim country
I respect peoples beliefs but I wouldn't change the way I live my life to suit different people. They can't ban you from eating

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bloody muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bbE

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bl***y muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bbE

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bl***y muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

"Our resident Muslim?" So one Muslim represents all of them? This is racism, pure and simple.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Wasn't this originally reported in the Daily Star? They take non-news and blow it way out of proportion for a good story.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

They should have the meetings, but out of respect should not serve food at them.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

I don't see what this has to do with anything.


Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Sticks
From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050165/Muslim-council-chiefs-ban-ALL-members-tea-sandwiches-meetings-Ramadan.html)



Councillors have been ordered not to eat during town hall meetings while Muslim colleagues fast during the holy month of Ramadan.

All elected members at Left-wing Tower Hamlets Council in East London have been sent an email asking them to follow strict Islamic fasting during September no matter what their faith.

As well as restricting food and drink until after sunset, the authority's leaders have decided to reduce the number of meetings throughout the month so they do not clash with the requirements of Ramadan.


I half expect that council to impose these rules on employees as well .


At work we have been "instructed" not to invite Muslims to meetings where there is food, as some of the meetings we do cross lunch time and may require a buffet, I suspect we will not be allowed to order buffets, so as not to cause offence.

Or should we be fasting and giving up lunch/ tea breaks etc. so our Muslim colleagues religious views are respected?


Note, most Muslims have not asked for this, this came from the PC brigade

The bit I have highlighted is the part that causes this type of problem, and sparks anger. I would say that this request has almost certainly not come from any Muslim, but somebody with far too much time on their hands.

No - non Muslims should not be made to observe Ramadam. Nobody should be made to observe any part of any religion.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bigbr0ther

"Our resident Muslim?" So one Muslim represents all of them? This is racism, pure and simple.


I was referring to Fahad, as a resident Muslim, because he is the nearest we have to an expert witness. I was not inferring any racial derogative.

Also this charge of racism is not really accurate as a person of my ethnic group can in theory convert to Islam. The term would be Islamophobic. However I have good conversations about religion and spiritual matters with the proprietor of the local Halal Fish and chip shop.

BTW for reference it was the Daily Mail I first saw this in, but it was covered in other papers. Also we were given certain instructions at work, which caused some stress when I first read through the instructions.

[bananarama]

Quote....bigbrother said: Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.



Sorry your logic is seriously flawed......Out of respect we should have the decency not to eat in front of muslims during their fasting......Pure rubbish.......

Respect is a two way street..If we should respect their culture then they should also respect other peoples cultures and out of RESPECT EAT as a matter of decency that they respect other peoples culture.......

Why is it in the minds of some that respect has to be from one side only.......Liike I said a seriously flawed and I might add racialistic form of logic.....

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bigbr0ther

"Our resident Muslim?" So one Muslim represents all of them? This is racism, pure and simple.


I was referring to Fahad, as a resident Muslim, because he is the nearest we have to an expert witness. I was not inferring any racial derogative.

Also this charge of racism is not really accurate as a person of my ethnic group can in theory convert to Islam. The term would be Islamophobic. However I have good conversations about religion and spiritual matters with the proprietor of the local Halal Fish and chip shop.

BTW for reference it was the Daily Mail I first saw this in, but it was covered in other papers. Also we were given certain instructions at work, which caused some stress when I first read through the instructions.

You wouldn't like it if someone claimed to represent your beliefs. If you were in any minority, and newspapers were reporting what YOU believed inaccurately (thinking all people of that minority thought the same way) you wouldn't like it.

Originally posted by bananarama
Quote....bigbrother said: Of course it shouldn't be a law that everyone must obey Muslim fasting, but simply out of RESPECT for another culture, you should have the DECENCY not to eat in front of Muslims during their fasting. It's not going to kill you to wait 5 minutes to eat.



Sorry your logic is seriously flawed......Out of respect we should have the decency not to eat in front of muslims during their fasting......Pure rubbish.......

Respect is a two way street..If we should respect their culture then they should also respect other peoples cultures and out of RESPECT EAT as a matter of decency that they respect other peoples culture.......

Why is it in the minds of some that respect has to be from one side only.......Liike I said a seriously flawed and I might add racialistic form of logic.....

Respect IS a two way street. If Christianity had a period of fasting, I would say that out of respect for Christians, Muslims should not eat in front of them during that fasting.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bbE

yes but some of the people of Britain are muslims. anyway no council is going to force anyone to become a bl***y muslim for crying out loud..errrrr the Daily MAIL

But this was reported elsewhere, and the original memo did come across as imposing a Muslim fast on non Muslims, which even our resident Muslim agrees was wrong.

They then tried to back track and denied they said what they said.

If they were mearly asking council members to leave the special Halal food for their Muslim colleagues as they later said they were saying, this would not have made it into the news.

Also it was not just the not eating, they wanted to cancel a number of council meetings, which in theory would impact on council business.

The Liberal Democrat councillor who complained about this pointed out there were Muslim's in her party who were never consulted either, so it was not an Islamophobic issue.

what Im saying is the papers generally twist things especially the likes of the Mail. What was probably a discussion on race relations policy regarding fasting turned ino "theyre going to make non-muslims fast"! It happens all the time and the "angry mob" swallow it

[letmein]

I'd like to see the e-mail myself. This sounds like typical Daily Mail rubbish.

[Ruth]

Let's be honest - you can't believe anything you read in the Daily Mail, which is so far right, it's about to fall off.

A lot of the stuff they have printed about Muslims has been proven to be incorrect. The problem is a lot of people don't like to let the facts get in the way of a good rant about Muslims.