Victor is dead meat - hes a goner tonight!

[Wolverine]

He played it very poorly last night (C4).

Attacking Shell has sealed his fate.

Shell to use such language 'See, you next Tuesday'. Well!

What did he think by saying ' I will talk to you later', would do to Shell, she was obviously bricking it. Bless. Very patronising though.

He will go tonight. His arrogance and lack of respect for the women has made me lose all respect for him.

What a loser!

[SMC]

no he wont go..and he did say in the morning he was in abad mood and not to take anything personally..now..first thing's first..shell has to stop takin everything so seriously and stuff..crying for no reason..it was pathetic..i like victor..the guy is a ledge..and whats wrong with streight talking? thats all he did..rather then say it behind her back he said what he thinks to her face,just like he did with dan..theres nothing wrong with it..he'll still be in the house by saturday..ebuwa aint going nowhere

[Amy]

He'll stay I think the public have voted for Jason this week.

[Wolverine]

You guys are sooo wrong, do you not even remember the booing he got at Ahmeds kick-out?

[Amy]

He did get booed yes and it was bad but had Jason's name been called out by Davina too he would have also been booed I expect! I see no point in booing though.

It will be very close between the two of them as Victor's rant, shown on last nights show, will have done him no favours but I think it'll still be Jason that goes.

[She Devil]

Victor did get booed and both Victor and Jason thinks that Vic will be going tonight. However, Jason hasn't heard the reception he gets when his name is mentioned from Davina.

I think Jason feels that he will be safe tonight but he is wrong. Victor will be staying in the house tonight but he will be nominated next week and then I think the public will vote him out, unfortunately.

[Dan_]

I totally agree She Devil.

[SMC]

same here, i like the JC's ...keep victor in though i wud like 2see him win..alltho we all know that ent gon' happen

[BigSister]

I still think that Jay will go but the clincer is how many votes will Jay have clocked up before last night.

[AndyJK]

I thought Shell overreacted and behaved like a spoilt baby. Victor didn't do anything wrong. Shell went away crying simply because Vic didn't take her glass of champaine when offered and said he wanted a chat later "to sort a few things out". She returned back to the house for the dance in a foul mood with a face like thunder (too late to save the task incurring their 4th fail) calling Vic a ****. Very unlady like!

If you ask me Victor has gone waaaaay up in my estimations.

[Dan_]

Shell has gone way down in my estimations but Dan has goen up.

[JC]

The only time I felt Vic was out of line was when he snapped at Dan. And even their chat had started off informally (and pretty funny) He did nothing wrong as far as Shell was concerned IMO, if anything she should go down in people's estimations. She called the guy a ****** for god's sake!

[helenrobin]

After last night's events I am hoping a n praying Victor goes, I like the way he deviously said to shell 'we will talk later' knowing he would put the fear of god in her so when she finally bit back and called him that C U Next Tuesday he didn't like it one bit, after all Shell was the next to be victimised by Victor when Emma left because he had had his digs at her during the past few weeks and she has shy'd away from it like a scared puppy, he obviously wanted to continue that last night but didnt like the fact that shell 'stuck up for herself' (finally). I dislike the C word at the best of times but I think if I had been Shell last night I would of done the same, he deserved it.

If anyone else didn't notice, I thought at one point when Vic was having a go at the 'oh so calm' Dan, the expression on Jay's face was not impressed with Vic at all, basically he has made a comlete twit of himself on national TV and deserves all the reaction he gets when he is finally out.

Lets hope it may be a double eviction tonight (Vic & Jay) after all there are 7 left in the house and 2 weeks to go.

:colour:

[LEE]

Originally posted by Amy
He'll stay I think the public have voted for Jason this week.
Unfortunately I think you are right Amy.

Originally posted by AndyJK
I thought Shell overreacted and behaved like a spoilt baby. Victor didn't do anything wrong. Shell went away crying simply because Vic didn't take her glass of champaine when offered and said he wanted a chat later "to sort a few things out". She returned back to the house for the dance in a foul mood with a face like thunder (too late to save the task incurring their 4th fail) calling Vic a ****. Very unlady like!
At last, someone else who thinks Shell was in the wrong here. I have said all along that Shell if fake, and this sort of reaction is just all part of her game plan to come across as the poor wronged, put upon, 'nice' person. She knows exactly when to cry, when to look upset and when to go for the sympathy vote, and most people fall for it big time.

[JC]

They certainly seem to this time. :bored:

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by LEE

At last, someone else who thinks Shell was in the wrong here. I have said all along that Shell if fake, and this sort of reaction is just all part of her game plan to come across as the poor wronged, put upon, 'nice' person. She knows exactly when to cry, when to look upset and when to go for the sympathy vote, and most people fall for it big time.

Shell definitely put on the little girl act last night, and showed her spoilt child-like side by jumping well before the horse had bolted. I doubt her extraordinary behaviour and reaction to Vic's "I want a chat later, let's enjoy the task" will go down well with the public at all, in fact I think she's shot herself in the foot with this faux tantrum.

Vic had every right to get angry being called a ******* **** while he was doing his best to pass the task. Shell's behaviour is the most bizarre reaction I've seen in the history of the programme. I'm sure Vic's populairty with the public will improve since last night (I'm sure Dermot hinted it would during BBLB) and from my previous comments at Vic being a vile thug during his argument with Emma, even I'm starting to like him more.

[helenrobin]

JC just a reality check here, it's got nothing to do with Shell knows exactly how to cry, it's to do with shell being vulnerable and taking things to heart, after all females do cry, it just so happens when we get upset we cry, if someone says a not so nice thing about us for no reason at all, we cry, but hey men are suppose to be more macho and don't cry, therefore men are fake because when they hurt inside they don't show it, I actually commend men that do cry when they feel hurt because they're being real.

I could see no reason why Victor all day treated Shell differently by not talking to her and being cold towards her, he then said to her 'we will talk later', if someone said that to me I would wanna know what the hell I have done to upset him, so I would say let's talk now. But victor then turned it round, I know he didn't say anything to her, but his actions spoke louder than words. As for his speech I found that quite hurtful and dis-respectful, even if it is just a task he should never of said 'even though people said you were like a dog going round the block or too', insinuationg she was a slapper.

:mad:

[AndyJK]

Originally posted by helenrobin
JC just a reality check here, it's got nothing to do with Shell knows exactly how to cry, it's to do with shell being vulnerable and taking things to heart, after all females do cry, it just so happens when we get upset we cry, if someone says a not so nice thing about us for no reason at all, we cry, but hey men are suppose to be more macho and don't cry, therefore men are fake because when they hurt inside they don't show it, I actually commend men that do cry when they feel hurt because they're being real.

I could see no reason why Victor all day treated Shell differently by not talking to her and being cold towards her, he then said to her 'we will talk later', if someone said that to me I would want to know what the hell I have done to upset him, so I would say let's talk now. But victor then turned it round, I know he didn't say anything to her, but his actions spoke louder than words. As for his speech I found that quite hurtful and this -respectful, even if it is just a task he should never of said 'even though people said you were like a dog going round the block or too', insinuationg she was a slapper.

:mad:

Shell should have grit her teeth, got on with the task first and put her personal differences aside. Her behaviour cost the housemates their weekly shopping. It's not like Vic's aggressive posture is new to the housemates. She should know the game Vic's playing by now and not get emotional about his gangster-type approach reminding herself it's a gameshow, not real life. As she said Vic's been nice to her uip to now, it's not like this has been a regular occurance. The least she could have done was waited until after the task to hear what Vic had to say.

[p2pnut]

I must have a word with our cable supplier - I don't think I was watching the same program that Wolverine and helenrobin saw.

Whilst not great fans of Victor (he is a bit of a 'one trick pony') my wife and I saw Vic acting appropriately (and with other HM's interests in mind) by not indulging Shell's public "why are you victimising me?" routine during the task. His response of "I will talk to you later" acknowledged that she had a problem and simply deferred it's resolution for a short time.

Shell, who we quite like, on this occasion behaved in a self-obsessed manner that guaranteed that they would fail the task. My wifes reaction to her obvious distress and uncontrolled anger was "oops, poor girl seems to be undergoing a bad case of PMS" (as a mere male I would never dare to offer such an explanation myself :rolleyes:)

Despite being the victim (for once) of a quite viscous and somewhat unfair onslaught, Vic behaved (by his standards) with remarkable restraint. He also initiated the 'making up' process and offered the healing hug.

If anything, this episode will have improved Victor's image and thereby promoted his chances .......... funny old game innit?

:xyxwave:

[Wolverine]

Well said Helen. Totally agree.

Vic feels Shell shouldnt be in the house because she is not a 'character'. Just because she is not good at confrontation, this means nothing.

Calling Shell a slapper, even in jest, was well out of order. Vic just doesnt seem to have a clue about women.

[She Devil]

Don't forget Shell had heard the JCs talking by the jacuzzi the night before and she felt that what they were saying was directed at her. I think she got paranoid.

The JCs have always mentioned big characters like Victor, Jason and Nadia. Those that have had an arguement in the house. The only one that hasn't had an argument in there is Stuart. I wonder if this will change their opinion of the so called 'fence sitters'.

[ickle04]

IMHO, Victor will stay tonight, Jason will go.

[Bearskillz]

Agree with P2PNut. Victor was acting in the best interest of the task/group.

Shell was on the blob....(quickly duck to avoid the chairs being thrown by all the female forum members....)

[john2000]

i hope victor goes out 2nite
hes so rude and got no respect towards women. who does he think he is

[flyfly5]

Originally posted by Wolverine
You guys are sooo wrong, do you not even remember the booing he got at Ahmeds kick-out?

People love to boo Victor! That's his game plan, to be the loveable rogue... come on you know this!

:wavey:

[flyfly5]

I hope Jason goes out instead! I've seen enough male vanity to last me, a few years.

[She Devil]

Me too Fly.:thumbs:

[bananarama]

I must have a word with our cable supplier - I don't think I was watching the same program that Wolverine and helenrobin saw


In a way you have hit the nail on the head. However it is not cable or Sky but Channel 4 who are manipulatiing public oppinion.

Last nights representations of the events of the wedding night was no where near the truth. I saw quite a lot of it into the early hours of the next day.

From seeing what really occured I can understand wolverine's point of view. But I too still think Jason will go as a result of Channel 4 not portaying a fair balance of events.

Nothing was shown of Victor's attitude to Shell during the day. he wound her up in particular. Yes he picked on her.

Victor is scared out of his mind at being evicted before Shell is. It would hurt his godfather pride no end.

Victor was not shown to be his usual vile self when locked in an argument that he provokes in order to draw attention to the the bad guy I am a character image he is hoping the viewers will be conned into loving...

Each to his or her own choice on that. But make no mistake Victor was a much badder guy than was represented on the lets fix it for Victor to stay show last night.......:devil:

[Julia L]

I don't know what to think of Victor OR Shell now.

I can see why Victor exploded, Shell shouldn't have called him what she did, but he was bang out of order to attack Dan (even tho' he didn't seem that upset about it). I do have E4, but I didn't watch any of it yesterday so I didn't see what else was going on, the bigger picture. Because of his reaction, a lot of viewers will try and vote Victor out...so I'm not sure who'll go tonight, to be honest.

Well done to Dan for being the calmest person in the face of adversity :thumbs:

[JC]

Yeah, his attacking of Dan went out of line. I liked the start though. But Vic was acting with passing the task in mind. Would you rather he lied to Shell when she asked what was wrong? I'm sure you'd be the first to call him fake then. And as for the "tramp's dog" comment, I'd have no problem using that on my female friends, that was clearly intended as a joke.

[Hooly One]

Originally posted by Julia L
I don't know what to think of Victor OR Shell now.

I can see why Victor exploded, Shell shouldn't have called him what she did, but he was bang out of order to attack Dan (even tho' he didn't seem that upset about it). I do have E4, but I didn't watch any of it yesterday so I didn't see what else was going on, the bigger picture. Because of his reaction, a lot of viewers will try and vote Victor out...so I'm not sure who'll go tonight, to be honest.

Well done to Dan for being the calmest person in the face of adversity :thumbs:

Victor is very lucky that he chose Dan to mouth off to rather than someone with a bit of a temper. "Nadia"

Shell was genuinely sorry and Victor forgave her so why shouldn't we? They were both out of order, were sorry, forgave eachother, felt bad themselves, and embarrassed, made friends again. It's over.

Wouldn't you forgive someone if they were genuinely remorseful? Shell was certainly that and I believe Vic was to. Well i think he was?

[golden~rose]

its pretty obvious that they were going to make up, seeing as it was shell he was arguing with!!!

[Wolverine]

Damn, are you guys even watching the same show?

Only Helen Robin and myself seem to have the pulse.

[JC]

We're all watching the same show, it's just that the rest of us think that Shell blew the whole thing out of proportion.