Sexism/Racism: Can one side insult without the other offended?

[Rory]

I've been thinking a lot about this lately, and how one-sided the rule of sexism and the rule of racism is.

Who is mostly accused of sexism? Men or women.
Who is mostly accused of racism? Whites or blacks.

Women are always offended by sexism, and search out to detect it much more than men. (Example: That "When Women Rule The World" programme: If it were men, there would be a million complaints as having women as "slaves")

Blacks are always offended by racism, and search out to detect it much more than whites. (Example: "Guess Who", 2005 version. I didn't hear much uproar about the fact that Bernie Mac was annoyed that his black daughter was dating a white man, Ashton Kutcher. Another Example: BET, Black entertainment televsion. If it were WET, blacks would be offended)

"Women can never be sexist; Blacks can never be racist" is the mentality I believe that the world has today.

Does anyone else disagree with this appauling imbalance of justice?

[Llamajohn]

I'd say men and whites.

[Scarlett.]

I find it annoying that some Black people think racism only works one way round

Double standards:cloud:

[Tom4784]

I can see your point, I'm very much against Racism and all 'isms'. I think everyone should be treated the same, in both the positive and negative ways it will affect people. At the moment an almost reverse racism is abound and I think racism will never be beaten unless it's one rule for all and not for certain races, genders, religions ETC

That's what I do, nobody get's special treatment with me. I judge a person by their merit not their appearance, creed, gender ETC.

[SiaSiaSia]

I see your point in a way, they're teaching "black history" in schools now, and there'd be an uproar if we were taught "white history"
IMO skin colour means NOTHING and people are far too bothered about it, when everyone could do something useful instead, like saving the environment.

and as for women. well, we ARE sexist and it's SO stupid. It's like if a man goes "i'm faster than women"... well they probably are [at running] it's proven cos of muscles! but if a man said it there'd be a HUGE uproar. however, i don't really see much sexism anymore.

[Nurse57]

"Does anyone else disagree with this appauling imbalance of justice"

You are absolutely right. There should be more racism and sexism from blacks and women to equal things up. It's all about equality.

I demand to be insulted by a black woman now. It is my right as a white man.

[Fom]

I actually said to someone once... There isn't really a word to insult Straight White Males... if you are gay, or a girl or black. There are offensive words, but none really for Straight White Males.

Yes there are "Red necks" and stuff but thats not offensive lol.

[VicKyyKciV]

I heard this bloke once that was making a sexist comment about my mate sue so i went up to him and slapped him in the face and told him to keep his trap shut :mad:

[NettoSuperstar!]

In the playground when I was young we were called white honkies! that just sounds daft

[Tom]

White men are worst off for accusations against racism/sexism.

I like Kanye West but one of the lines in his songs is "you can be my black Kate Moss tonight". No uproar over that, however if another artist put "you can be my white Naomi Campbell" then it would turn into quite a big incident. Then another example using music is Mary J Blige. She has said she will never have a white person in any of her videos but noone cares. If someone white had said that they will never have a black person in their videos they would be lynched.

Then theres Loose Women. Enough said already I think. 'Loose Men' would be taken off air if they used the same discussions.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think its that way because of the historical and social context! If Jamaica had ruled half the world and white people had had to fight (relatively recently) for equal rights, it might be the other way round

[NettoSuperstar!]

ditto for women

[Ross]

Who is mostly accused of sexism? Men
Who is mostly accused of racism? Whites

[Tom]

Originally posted by bbE
I think its that way because of the historical and social context! If Jamaica had ruled half the world and white people had had to fight (relatively recently) for equal rights, it might be the other way round

But if they want equal rights then surely that just undermines the whole point, ie doing exactly what they are fighting against?

[GiRTh]

The reasons why the rules exist are because of the many years of inequality toward black people and women. It may be better now but you need to understand the history in order to understand the problem.

The reason why there would be uproar over anything white only is because historically there were many things for whites only. These did not exist to celebrate white culture or anything positive like that they existed to exclude blacks and effectively were part of a mechanism to keep black people downtrodden - for want of a better word. White only as a concept used to imply white supremacy. That may not be the case 100% of the time but that what the expression implies.

[Emzy-!!]

I think alot of Black people get called Racist in certain parts of areas.
There is one place where I live where there isn't many black people and they always get called Racist for looking at anyone who isn't Black in a certain way.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
The reasons why the rules exist are because of the many years of inequality toward black people and women. It may be better now but you need to understand the history in order to understand the problem.

The reason why there would be uproar over anything white only is because historically there were many things for whites only. These did not exist to celebrate white culture or anything positive like that they existed to exclude blacks and effectively were present as part of a mechanism to keep black people downtrodden - for want of a better word. White only as a concept implies white supremacy. That may not be the case 100% of the time but that what the expression implies.

But its equal rights black people and women want, so why do these rules exist in the first place? If they want equal rights (which they have) then IMO they shouldn't be doing what they are fighting against because its huge double standards. The history is somewhat irrelevant, I reiterate that equal rights are wanted, not black/female becoming somewhat superior and its fine for them to be sexist and racist but not for us. Quite an old fashioned view here but if its OK for black people and women to be racist/sexist or even considered as those, then its fine for white people and men to do the same towards black people and women. Anyone who disagrees with that is a hypocrite.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom
But its equal rights black people and women want, so why do these rules exist in the first place? If they want equal rights (which they have) then IMO they shouldn't be doing what they are fighting against because its huge double standards. The history is somewhat irrelevant, I reiterate that equal rights are wanted, not black/female becoming somewhat superior and its fine for them to be sexist and racist but not for us. Do they have equal rights? In theory I suppose, but are we totally sure there are no instances of sexism toward women?

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom
But its equal rights black people and women want, so why do these rules exist in the first place? If they want equal rights (which they have) then IMO they shouldn't be doing what they are fighting against because its huge double standards. The history is somewhat irrelevant, I reiterate that equal rights are wanted, not black/female becoming somewhat superior and its fine for them to be sexist and racist but not for us. Do they have equal right? In theory I suppose but are we totally sure there are no instances of sexism toward women?

There is a lot of sexism towards women but there is also sexism towards men, although sexism towards men is overlooked because of course women can't be sexist :rolleyes:. I'm not saying there isn't, but everyone in developed countries has equal whites whether male, female, black, white, orange, green, whatever colour they are. Thats what they wanted, they got it (and rightly so). Sexism I think will die out in the next 20-30 years. Sexist people seem to be those who can remember when women were stuck in the kitchen, ie older people.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom
There is a lot of sexism towards women but there is also sexism towards men, although sexism towards men is overlooked because of course women can't be sexist :rolleyes:. I'm not saying there isn't, but everyone in developed countries has equal whites whether black, white, orange, green, whatever colour they are. I used to work with a Spanish woman who claimed she would never have got as good a job in Spain due to sexism. So how sure are we there is equality in every country?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by bbE
I think its that way because of the historical and social context! If Jamaica had ruled half the world and white people had had to fight (relatively recently) for equal rights, it might be the other way round

But if they want equal rights then surely that just undermines the whole point, ie doing exactly what they are fighting against?

but thats the point theyve had to fight against inequality for a long time its produced that reaction. I think its just natural group behaviour. If your in the minority group/group with less status being taken the piss out of it means more to fight against it. Not that I condone any kind of prejudice but If your in a majority/powerful group it matters less

[Tom]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Tom
There is a lot of sexism towards women but there is also sexism towards men, although sexism towards men is overlooked because of course women can't be sexist :rolleyes:. I'm not saying there isn't, but everyone in developed countries has equal whites whether black, white, orange, green, whatever colour they are. I used to work with a Spanish woman who claimed she would never have got as good a job in Spain due to sexism. So how sure are we that there is equality in every country?

She claimed. Thats the key word.

If a woman goes for a job and is refused but the position is given to a man, apparently its sexist. If the woman gets the job and the man doesn't, is it still sexist? Nothing to do with the person, its just whether they are a man or not? I think not.

I don't think there is equality in every country either, you'd be a fool to believe that, but there is in the UK and most European countries.

[NettoSuperstar!]

fighting for equality is an ongoing thing aswell which is why you cant separate the social or historical context from the argument.

[NettoSuperstar!]

but I agree with your point its wrong to offend anyone or treat anyone differently based on their gender, race whatever.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Tom
She claimed. Thats the key word.

If a woman goes for a job and is refused but the position is given to a man, apparently its sexist. If the woman gets the job and the man doesn't, is it still sexist? Nothing to do with the person, its just whether they are a man or not? I think not.

I don't think there is equality in every country either, you'd be a fool to believe that, but there is in the UK and most European countries. She went on and on about it. I think she was more or less sure she'd have never had got such a good job in Spain because she was a woman.

I think there is still a lot of prejudice in this country. It's much better than 20 years ago but I think that kind of thing is deep within people and will never come out.

[NettoSuperstar!]

There is a starting to be a culture of equality in this country with organisations actively supporting equal opportunities and so on but theres still a long way to go and other countries are way behind

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bbE
There is a starting to be a culture of equality in this country with organisations actively supporting equal opportunities and so on but theres still a long way to go and other countries are way behind Absolutely. In order for there to be equality, up to a certain extent, there needs to be an attempt to redress the balance.

[Tom]

I think the most equal things will get will be in around 50 years time. Most young people aren't particularly sexist/racist because they aren't so ignorant but a lot of older people who were brought up around the time of "whites and men are better" don't really know much better, and really they can't be blamed for that. But I think there is always going to be an association with women being the weaker sex and the ones who should be looking after the kids etc, purely because of physical things. But I do think things will settle down eventually and everyone will be equal enough not to complain.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
I think the most equal things will get will be in around 50 years time. Most young people aren't particularly sexist/racist because they aren't so ignorant but a lot of older people who were brought up around the time of "whites and men are better" don't really know much better, and really they can't be blamed for that. But I think there is always going to be an association with women being the weaker sex and the ones who should be looking after the kids etc, purely because of physical things. But I do think things will settle down eventually and everyone will be equal enough not to complain.

Lets hope so Tom lets hope so!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bbE
Originally posted by Tom
I think the most equal things will get will be in around 50 years time. Most young people aren't particularly sexist/racist because they aren't so ignorant but a lot of older people who were brought up around the time of "whites and men are better" don't really know much better, and really they can't be blamed for that. But I think there is always going to be an association with women being the weaker sex and the ones who should be looking after the kids etc, purely because of physical things. But I do think things will settle down eventually and everyone will be equal enough not to complain.

Lets hope so Tom lets hope so! I hope so too.:thumbs: