America should vote Barack Obama!

[NettoSuperstar!]

for the sake of world stability Obama has to be the next president! The world in the hands of Sarah Palin and Mcain just doesnt bare thinking about! this moose hunting redneck wouldnt hesitate to go to war with Russia! Please America for the love of humanity do not let these pople run the country

[JeanP!]

America should vote John McCain!!!

[Corkie]

Please god let Obama get elected for all hope of mankind :bouncy:

[Blink_Me]

Obama will win.... then we will have the new Antichrist.

[Ruth]

I live in fear of John McCain being elected. I've been watching the election very closely (I'll be in the states on election day), and John McCain is a scary prospect. But even more scary is Sarah Palin. The amount of lies she has told....she is a vile, vile woman.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by JeanP!
America should vote John McCain!!!

And errrr why should they vote for war mongering, end of times bible bashing muppets!?

[Ruth]

http://filthyrag.com/blog/2008/09/the-john-mccain-lie-counter-long-read/

Sarah Palin - doesn't believe in abortion. Says her daughter has made a choice to have her baby - fair enough....except that she wants to deny others that choice.

Was happy for rape victims to be charged for their rape testing kits.

Tried to get her brother in law fired from his job as state trooper, over a personal disagreement.

Was apparently overheard saying, "So Sambo beat the bitch," upon hearing that Obama beat Hillary Clinton for the democratic presidential nominee.

Refers to Eskimos as "Arctic Arabs".

Was asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine - she wasn't able to say what that doctrine was.

Said that prior to accepting the job as VP candidate, she talked the decision over with her daughters. It has since been proven that she accepted the job before even telling her daughters.

When she became Mayor of Wasilla, the town had NO debt. By the time she left that post, the town was $22 million in debt.

Has been alleged dodgy expense claims.

Talks about a "Palin-McCain administration" (someone needs to remind her, she is VP candidate, not presidential candidate) and referred to McCain as her running mate. (The VP candidate is always referred to as the running mate, not the other way around - frankly if John McCain does get in, he needs to watch his back...she doesn't want to be VP, she wants the top job).

Said that if her daughter got pregnant as a result of rape, she would not allow her to have an abortion.

Is willing to wage war on Russia (thanks, but I've already lived through the threat of one Cold War - I don't fancy going through it again).

Has far less experience than Obama, despite the fact that McCain attacked Obama relentlessly for his lack of experience.

Belongs to a Church which prays to make gay people straight.

Is against same-sex marriage.

[Ruth]

Obama up in the polls.

Obama/Biden 202
164 Solid 38 Leaning
McCain/Palin 189
163 Solid 26 Leaning
Toss Up 147
147 Toss Up

More details:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

[Spike]

I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Spike
I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

How can you say that Obama is giving false hope?

How can you say that he won't deliver?

I'd love one of those crystal balls you've got.

So far in this campaign, McCain has told 63 lies which can be proven to be lies. Even his fellow POWs don't want him to win.

And as for Palin The Evil.....if she becomes VP we can all look forward to revisiting the days of the Cold War.

As for Palin - she may say what she believes in...so did Hitler. Some of the things she believes in are very very questionable.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

yes but what do they believe in??? uttter crap (as Ruth so kindly found the time to write down), theyre a danger to the world!

[NettoSuperstar!]

you'll get a better America for those who have money and a even bigger $hite hole for those that dont

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Spike
I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

How can you say that Obama is giving false hope?

How can you say that he won't deliver?

I'd love one of those crystal balls you've got.

So far in this campaign, McCain has told 63 lies which can be proven to be lies. Even his fellow POWs don't want him to win.

And as for Palin The Evil.....if she becomes VP we can all look forward to revisiting the days of the Cold War.

As for Palin - she may say what she believes in...so did Hitler. Some of the things she believes in are very very questionable.

Obama wont deliver on any of the big issues, he doesn't have the strength which a good leader should have to make those big decisions even if its against the majority so he is giving false hope to Americans of change.
Everyone lies, its just shows how much McCain wants to be president and how much he loves his country
and Palin isn't evil and its good to know what someone stands for if we like it or not. The Hitler point is stupid, you can't compare the two. Maybe if we are going to compare Hitler to anyone it is Obama, it seems both didn't tell the public their full ideas before an election.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Sarah Palin believes in the end of times and probably wants to fufil the prophecy!

Obama=hope
McCain/Palin=despair

[Ruth]

Spike -

Well.....first of all, I asked HOW YOU KNEW that Obama wouldn't live up to his promises. You have spectacularly failed to answer that.

As for justifying McCain lying - well, you are really clutching at straws there. So, basically it's okay to lie if you really, really want something. Hmmm.....I'll remember that then.

I wasn't actually comparing Palin to Hitler. I was making the point that simply standing up for what you believe in is no good if what you believe in is utter rubbish. Do a bit of research. Learn about some of the lies that Palin has told. Learn what she knows about the Bush doctrine (hint - she didn't even know what it was).

And as for comparing Obama to Hitler - well, that would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

And again - I'd love one of those crystal balls you've got. HOW can you predict what Obama will or won't do? HOW do you know that he is keeping secrets?

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and lets face it anyone with half a brain cell could do better than Bush!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by bbE
Originally posted by Spike
I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

yes but what do they believe in??? uttter c**p (as Ruth so kindly found the time to write down), theyre a danger to the world!

Well Im sure he'll have a more sensible approach than bombing the F%*K out of everywhere

[Markymark]

These nutters really put our politicians into perspective. I favour the Conservatives in the UK at the moment but McCain and Palin will make America and the world a worse place. I just hope we don't get dragged into their battles if they're elected.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Spike


Obama wont deliver on any of the big issues, he doesn't have the strength which a good leader should have to make those big decisions even if its against the majority so he is giving false hope to Americans of change.
Everyone lies, its just shows how much McCain wants to be president and how much he loves his country
and Palin isn't evil and its good to know what someone stands for if we like it or not. The Hitler point is stupid, you can't compare the two. Maybe if we are going to compare Hitler to anyone it is Obama, it seems both didn't tell the public their full ideas before an election.

I honestly think the highlighted part of that post is the funniest and most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here.

Basically saying that John McCain would make a good president because he's a proven liar. Hilarious!!
:laugh3::laugh3:
So honesty and integrity makes for a bad presidency then???

I needed a good laugh today, and that has definitely given me one!!

[ange7]

doesn't Palin believe in "intelligent design". A crazy nutj ob like that a heart beat away from the top job. That's scary!.
We don't need McCalin to be the "tough guy" and sort out Iran , North Korea and Russia. That rubbish didn't work for Bush or Bush W so why people think we need someone "tougher" make no sense.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
doesn't Palin believe in "intelligent design". A crazy nutj ob like that a heart beat away from the top job. That's scary!.
We don't need McCalin to be the "tough guy" and sort out Iran , North Korea and Russia. That rubbish didn't work for Bush or Bush W so why people think we need someone "tougher" make no sense.

yeah she wants it taught in schools!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by Spike


Obama wont deliver on any of the big issues, he doesn't have the strength which a good leader should have to make those big decisions even if its against the majority so he is giving false hope to Americans of change.
Everyone lies, its just shows how much McCain wants to be president and how much he loves his country
and Palin isn't evil and its good to know what someone stands for if we like it or not. The Hitler point is stupid, you can't compare the two. Maybe if we are going to compare Hitler to anyone it is Obama, it seems both didn't tell the public their full ideas before an election.

I honestly think the highlighted part of that post is the funniest and most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here.

Basically saying that John McCain would make a good president because he's a proven liar. Hilarious!!
:laugh3::laugh3:
So honesty and integrity makes for a bad presidency then???

I needed a good laugh today, and that has definitely given me one!!

I know great argument! crazy as they are!

[NettoSuperstar!]

And creationism she wants that taught in schools alonside evolutionary theory! And shes an end time believer, theyre the most dangerous!

[Corkie]

Originally posted by Ruth
http://filthyrag.com/blog/2008/09/the-john-mccain-lie-counter-long-read/

Sarah Palin - doesn't believe in abortion. Says her daughter has made a choice to have her baby - fair enough....except that she wants to deny others that choice.

Was happy for rape victims to be charged for their rape testing kits.

Tried to get her brother in law fired from his job as state trooper, over a personal disagreement.

Was apparently overheard saying, "So Sambo beat the bitch," upon hearing that Obama beat Hillary Clinton for the democratic presidential nominee.

Refers to Eskimos as "Arctic Arabs".

Was asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine - she wasn't able to say what that doctrine was.

Said that prior to accepting the job as VP candidate, she talked the decision over with her daughters. It has since been proven that she accepted the job before even telling her daughters.

When she became Mayor of Wasilla, the town had NO debt. By the time she left that post, the town was $22 million in debt.

Has been alleged dodgy expense claims.

Talks about a "Palin-McCain administration" (someone needs to remind her, she is VP candidate, not presidential candidate) and referred to McCain as her running mate. (The VP candidate is always referred to as the running mate, not the other way around - frankly if John McCain does get in, he needs to watch his back...she doesn't want to be VP, she wants the top job).

Said that if her daughter got pregnant as a result of rape, she would not allow her to have an abortion.

Is willing to wage war on Russia (thanks, but I've already lived through the threat of one Cold War - I don't fancy going through it again).

Has far less experience than Obama, despite the fact that McCain attacked Obama relentlessly for his lack of experience.

Belongs to a Church which prays to make gay people straight.

Is against same-sex marriage.

WOW! Thanks for that prooves she is just a wierd human being I think theres something not right with her.

Also I fear she'll become the president as John McCain is 72 which is pretty old for such a stressful job. Also what has John McCain got to offer over then being a prisoner of war. America doesn't need a figure like him.

America needs Obama.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Corkie
WOW! Thanks for that prooves she is just a wierd human being I think theres something not right with her.

Also I fear she'll become the president as John McCain is 72 which is pretty old for such a stressful job. Also what has John McCain got to offer over then being a prisoner of war. America doesn't need a figure like him.

America needs Obama.

I agree with you. And new allegations have surfaced that during his time as a POW, he was collaborating with the enemy. Many of his fellow POWs have said that they do not want him to win the election.

Sarah Palin's own mother-in-law has also said that she will be voting for Barack Obama!!

[Ruth]

Spike - I would suggest that next time you go for a job interview, tell the interviewer that you really really deserve the job because you tell lots of lies. See how far that gets you.

If McCain was the right man for the job, maybe he wouldn't need to tell so many lies.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth
Spike - I would suggest that next time you go for a job interview, tell the interviewer that you really really deserve the job because you tell lots of lies. See how far that gets you.


Well Lee kinda did that on The Apprentice and he got the job so I might give it ago
McCain isn't getting the job from an interviewer he is getting it from the American people and if telling lies is the best way about getting it then so be it, his lies have done him well so far

[Ruth]

OMG!!!! I cannot believe you are serious about this!

Has it not occurred to you that if he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't need to lie?

John McCain - is the man who publicly made a joke about women being raped.

John McCain - is the man who joked that Muslims should be given cigarettes so that they would get cancer.

John McCain - is the man who openly chanted 'Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran', and when people protested, he told them to 'get a life'.

John McCain - is behind Obama in the polls, and Sarah Palin's popularity has dropped massively (yeah, she was fine when she was looking pretty and spouting someone else's words, but once she has to think on her own, people realised that she actually was pretty crap).

Would you be happy to have a proven liar running your country? If so, I think you have missed a fundamental point about what politics is about. And if you condone his telling lies to win the presidency, it shows a definite lack of morals/responsibility.

And are you seriously comparing John McCain to Lee McQueen? You are absolutely hilarious!!!! I didn't think you could top your last post for ridiculousness, but congratulations, you have done it!!

Being as your sole argument for McCain making a good president seems to be that he tells a lot of lies, I really don't think I can be bothered discussing this with you any more. I love to listen to people who think differently to me - that's how you learn, after all - but not when they spout the nonsense you've been coming out with.

So....I'll see you around (maybe).

[Corkie]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth
Spike - I would suggest that next time you go for a job interview, tell the interviewer that you really really deserve the job because you tell lots of lies. See how far that gets you.


Well Lee kinda did that on The Apprentice and he got the job so I might give it ago



But the fact of the matter is this isn't a thing on the telly for our entertainment the people of America are voting for the president of America which is important business through out the world.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth
OMG!!!! I cannot believe you are serious about this!

Has it not occurred to you that if he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't need to lie?

John McCain - is the man who publicly made a joke about women being raped.

John McCain - is the man who joked that Muslims should be given cigarettes so that they would get cancer.

John McCain - is the man who openly chanted 'Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran', and when people protested, he told them to 'get a life'.

John McCain - is behind Obama in the polls, and Sarah Palin's popularity has dropped massively (yeah, she was fine when she was looking pretty and spouting someone else's words, but once she has to think on her own, people realised that she actually was pretty c**p).

Would you be happy to have a proven liar running your country? If so, I think you have missed a fundamental point about what politics is about. And if you condone his telling lies to win the presidency, it shows a definite lack of morals/responsibility.

And are you seriously comparing John McCain to Lee McQueen? You are absolutely hilarious!!!! I didn't think you could top your last post for ridiculousness, but congratulations, you have done it!!

Being as your sole argument for McCain making a good president seems to be that he tells a lot of lies, I really don't think I can be bothered discussing this with you any more. I love to listen to people who think differently to me - that's how you learn, after all - but not when they spout the nonsense you've been coming out with.

So....I'll see you around (maybe).

they are jokes so why bring that into it, I joke about alot of thing that doesn't mean I mean it and as for the bomb Iran I agree with that.
I would rather have a proven liar running my country rather that someone who has lied but we don't know what about yet. All politicians lie but in this case John McCain has been found out, so i'm not really bothered about the lies because if the truth is known then probably McCain and Obama have told alot more lies than we know of.
You was the one who compare McCain lieing to a job interview so I gave an example of it therefore you made the ridiculous post to begin with

[Z]

The soccer mom vote is up for grabs, seeing as Hilary isn't in the running anymore, hence why Sarah Palin was brought to the forefront. Barack Obama should be mopping up the majority of those soccer mom votes though, I think he might just get into power - plus you have to consider a lot of low income African Americans will actually vote in this election, typically there's a poor turn out amongst the African American community in the USA for elections. Obama for president! Celebritician!

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth
OMG!!!! I cannot believe you are serious about this!

Has it not occurred to you that if he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't need to lie?

John McCain - is the man who publicly made a joke about women being raped.

John McCain - is the man who joked that Muslims should be given cigarettes so that they would get cancer.

John McCain - is the man who openly chanted 'Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran', and when people protested, he told them to 'get a life'.

John McCain - is behind Obama in the polls, and Sarah Palin's popularity has dropped massively (yeah, she was fine when she was looking pretty and spouting someone else's words, but once she has to think on her own, people realised that she actually was pretty c**p).

Would you be happy to have a proven liar running your country? If so, I think you have missed a fundamental point about what politics is about. And if you condone his telling lies to win the presidency, it shows a definite lack of morals/responsibility.

And are you seriously comparing John McCain to Lee McQueen? You are absolutely hilarious!!!! I didn't think you could top your last post for ridiculousness, but congratulations, you have done it!!

Being as your sole argument for McCain making a good president seems to be that he tells a lot of lies, I really don't think I can be bothered discussing this with you any more. I love to listen to people who think differently to me - that's how you learn, after all - but not when they spout the nonsense you've been coming out with.

So....I'll see you around (maybe).

they are jokes so why bring that into it, I joke about alot of thing that doesn't mean I mean it and as for the bomb Iran I agree with that.
I would rather have a proven liar running my country rather that someone who has lied but we don't know what about yet. All politicians lie but in this case John McCain has been found out, so i'm not really bothered about the lies because if the truth is known then probably McCain and Obama have told alot more lies than we know of.
You was the one who compare McCain lieing to a job interview so I gave an example of it therefore you made the ridiculous post to begin with

Well....if you think there's nothing wrong with making jokes about women being raped, or making jokes about giving Muslims cancer, then you can't have many morals of your own. Your attitude is just disgusting. Your attitude to Iran is also disgraceful, and I can't talk with someone who feels the way you do.

And you are saying you would rather have a proven liar as the most powerful man in the world, rather than a man who does not appear to have told any lies whatsoever, but you just happen not to like the second man. That just shows what a loose grip on reality you have. I don't like falling out with people, but I have never read such a disturbing, misguided, and frankly pathetic post on here as those you have posted. Your morals make me sick, and I don't want to talk to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about.

Sorry to the mods - you can do what you have to do, but Spike's posts are just so idiotic and pathetic.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth

Well....if you think there's nothing wrong with making jokes about women being raped, or making jokes about giving Muslims cancer, then you can't have many morals of your own. Your attitude is just disgusting. Your attitude to Iran is also disgraceful, and I can't talk with someone who feels the way you do.

And you are saying you would rather have a proven liar as the most powerful man in the world, rather than a man who does not appear to have told any lies whatsoever, but you just happen not to like the second man. That just shows what a loose grip on reality you have. I don't like falling out with people, but I have never read such a disturbing, misguided, and frankly pathetic post on here as those you have posted. Your morals make me sick, and I don't want to talk to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about.

Sorry to the mods - you can do what you have to do, but Spike's posts are just so idiotic and pathetic.

So what if my morals aren't the same as yours, I don't really care
He told jokes, all jokes are offensive in some way and by telling a joke he is of course going to upset a few people but not intentionally, get a sense of humour instead of trying to work all these things against McCain
Get over the whole lies things, i'm sure McCain and Obama have told as many lies as each other but they are running for president and they are doing everything they can. Atleast we know what McCain has told lies about unlike Obama who I just do not trust for all the power to be in his hands.

[Fom]

Im hoping Obama wins the elections, McCain is literally a Bush clone. We have seen the mess bush has made we dont need that carrying on. I havent been following it too well but I think Obama could bring a lot to the country, and change it for the better. From what I have seen from McCain he is everything I dislike in a candidate. When he was on Ellen, when asked about gay marriage he completely ignored it and moved on and he has made so many stupid slip ups about the iraq war.
With Obama it is all about change, about getting troops out of war, about promoting gay marriage as much as the different states will let him. If I was in America I would vote Obama, unless you want George Bush 2.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Spike
I am supporting McCain and Palin

Obama is someone who promises little and wont deliver on those few promises He isn't going to be able to combat things such as terrorism as well as McCain.
McCain will make big decisions for the best even if its against the majority, he isn't afraid to stand up and say what he believes in same goes for Palin
Now what does Obama believe in, not much he doesn't state his policies instead gives people false hope.
Atleas voting McCain we know what we will get and that will be a better America and a better world

Yes but America doesnt need a man who is going to stand up against the nation and make decisions HE thinks is best for them. The American citizens arent babies, they should be the people making the decisions and if the president ignores that then its no good. George bush did it all the time, people complained about the war but he did it anyway.
Atleast Barack Obama will listen to his people, take everything into consideration and discuss it with them.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth

Well....if you think there's nothing wrong with making jokes about women being raped, or making jokes about giving Muslims cancer, then you can't have many morals of your own. Your attitude is just disgusting. Your attitude to Iran is also disgraceful, and I can't talk with someone who feels the way you do.

And you are saying you would rather have a proven liar as the most powerful man in the world, rather than a man who does not appear to have told any lies whatsoever, but you just happen not to like the second man. That just shows what a loose grip on reality you have. I don't like falling out with people, but I have never read such a disturbing, misguided, and frankly pathetic post on here as those you have posted. Your morals make me sick, and I don't want to talk to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about.

Sorry to the mods - you can do what you have to do, but Spike's posts are just so idiotic and pathetic.

So what if my morals aren't the same as yours, I don't really care
He told jokes, all jokes are offensive in some way and by telling a joke he is of course going to upset a few people but not intentionally, get a sense of humour instead of trying to work all these things against McCain
Get over the whole lies things, i'm sure McCain and Obama have told as many lies as each other but they are running for president and they are doing everything they can. Atleast we know what McCain has told lies about unlike Obama who I just do not trust for all the power to be in his hands.

Good grief - just when I think you have reached the utmost level of stupidity, you go and top it!

I have asked you numerous times, but you completely failed to answer:

HOW DO YOU KNOW that Obama is telling lies? Answer - you don't. You can't.

Try telling a victim of rape or cancer that his jokes are funny. I have a terrific sense of humour (at least I think I do)! but certain things are just not funny.

As for the whole lies thing - sorry I can't respond to your opinion on that, as you have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm not trying to work out all these things against McCain. I have simply done my research and come up with facts. If you could come up with ONE single reason why McCain would be better than Obama (by which I don't mean, you announcing that Obama is telling lies, with no evidence whatsoever), I would be prepared to listen to you. But seeing as your opinion is centred around the fact that a prolific liar is a better choice for president than an honest man, your opinion is worthless.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth
OMG!!!! I cannot believe you are serious about this!

Has it not occurred to you that if he was the right man for the job, he wouldn't need to lie?

John McCain - is the man who publicly made a joke about women being raped.

John McCain - is the man who joked that Muslims should be given cigarettes so that they would get cancer.

John McCain - is the man who openly chanted 'Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran', and when people protested, he told them to 'get a life'.

John McCain - is behind Obama in the polls, and Sarah Palin's popularity has dropped massively (yeah, she was fine when she was looking pretty and spouting someone else's words, but once she has to think on her own, people realised that she actually was pretty c**p).

Would you be happy to have a proven liar running your country? If so, I think you have missed a fundamental point about what politics is about. And if you condone his telling lies to win the presidency, it shows a definite lack of morals/responsibility.

And are you seriously comparing John McCain to Lee McQueen? You are absolutely hilarious!!!! I didn't think you could top your last post for ridiculousness, but congratulations, you have done it!!

Being as your sole argument for McCain making a good president seems to be that he tells a lot of lies, I really don't think I can be bothered discussing this with you any more. I love to listen to people who think differently to me - that's how you learn, after all - but not when they spout the nonsense you've been coming out with.

So....I'll see you around (maybe).

they are jokes so why bring that into it, I joke about alot of thing that doesn't mean I mean it and as for the bomb Iran I agree with that.
I would rather have a proven liar running my country rather that someone who has lied but we don't know what about yet. All politicians lie but in this case John McCain has been found out, so i'm not really bothered about the lies because if the truth is known then probably McCain and Obama have told alot more lies than we know of.
You was the one who compare McCain lieing to a job interview so I gave an example of it therefore you made the ridiculous post to begin with

Mcain- proven Liar
Obama- NO evidence of lying

[LargeAndInCharge]

obama barrack should be the new president!!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth

Well....if you think there's nothing wrong with making jokes about women being raped, or making jokes about giving Muslims cancer, then you can't have many morals of your own. Your attitude is just disgusting. Your attitude to Iran is also disgraceful, and I can't talk with someone who feels the way you do.

And you are saying you would rather have a proven liar as the most powerful man in the world, rather than a man who does not appear to have told any lies whatsoever, but you just happen not to like the second man. That just shows what a loose grip on reality you have. I don't like falling out with people, but I have never read such a disturbing, misguided, and frankly pathetic post on here as those you have posted. Your morals make me sick, and I don't want to talk to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about.

Sorry to the mods - you can do what you have to do, but Spike's posts are just so idiotic and pathetic.

So what if my morals aren't the same as yours, I don't really care
He told jokes, all jokes are offensive in some way and by telling a joke he is of course going to upset a few people but not intentionally, get a sense of humour instead of trying to work all these things against McCain
Get over the whole lies things, i'm sure McCain and Obama have told as many lies as each other but they are running for president and they are doing everything they can. Atleast we know what McCain has told lies about unlike Obama who I just do not trust for all the power to be in his hands.

Your morals belong in the gutter! I suppose you think Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson are funny eh! There is point where jokes can cross the line into offensive remarks, and those I think most people with any shred of decency would agree, cross the line

[LargeAndInCharge]

ok stop the handbags people

man up!!

[karezza]

Obama is a politician therefore he is a charlatan, a fake, an ambitious conman and a careerist.

Only sad, immature, little children trust politicians.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by karezza
Obama is a politician therefore he is a charlatan, a fake, an ambitious conman and a careerist.

Only sad, immature, little children trust politicians.

Thery also run countries so its important to pick one that is least likely to start world war 3!

[NettoSuperstar!]

and Im sure not all politicians fit that description! McCain and Palin maybe

[LargeAndInCharge]

no we need one that will get the army out of war zones

[NettoSuperstar!]

and your fave hm wants to be one so whats thay say

[LargeAndInCharge]

no we need one that will get the army out of war zones

[James]

Some of the comments in this topic are a bit too heated and personal. Stick to opinions about the subject instead of commenting about other posters. We'll get nowhere otherwise...

[Ruth]

James - I apologise. It's a subject I feel very passionate about. However, I will stay out of this thread from now on.

Sorry!

[Sunny_01]

I would hate to think that America elected another war monger for a president. McCain is a vile creature who has made some of the worst comments ever to come out of a politician. As for Palin, well she is very narrow minded and only in favour of things that fit in with her own narrow moral view of the world. I can think of nothing worse than if those 2 gain the power of such an influencial counrty.

[Spike]

Originally posted by bbE
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth

Well....if you think there's nothing wrong with making jokes about women being raped, or making jokes about giving Muslims cancer, then you can't have many morals of your own. Your attitude is just disgusting. Your attitude to Iran is also disgraceful, and I can't talk with someone who feels the way you do.

And you are saying you would rather have a proven liar as the most powerful man in the world, rather than a man who does not appear to have told any lies whatsoever, but you just happen not to like the second man. That just shows what a loose grip on reality you have. I don't like falling out with people, but I have never read such a disturbing, misguided, and frankly pathetic post on here as those you have posted. Your morals make me sick, and I don't want to talk to someone who has no idea of what they are talking about.

Sorry to the mods - you can do what you have to do, but Spike's posts are just so idiotic and pathetic.

So what if my morals aren't the same as yours, I don't really care
He told jokes, all jokes are offensive in some way and by telling a joke he is of course going to upset a few people but not intentionally, get a sense of humour instead of trying to work all these things against McCain
Get over the whole lies things, i'm sure McCain and Obama have told as many lies as each other but they are running for president and they are doing everything they can. Atleast we know what McCain has told lies about unlike Obama who I just do not trust for all the power to be in his hands.

Your morals belong in the gutter! I suppose you think Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson are funny eh! There is point where jokes can cross the line into offensive remarks, and those I think most people with any shred of decency would agree, cross the line

Who are you to tell me that my morals belong in the gutter. They are morals not yours, so concentrate on your own.
What McCain said were jokes of course people would take some offence but it was unintentional and the Obama supporters are just scraping the barrel to work the jokes against McCain.

[Spike]

and I don't agree with the statement that McCain is more likely to start a world war
Its the countries which pose a threat to America and the world which are likely to start a war.
The difference is that in McCain we will have someone decisive and fight back for his country before the damage is done whereas Obama will be still searching for his back bone to make a decision.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Im not even arguing with you any more! your arguments are hollow

[Z]

As I said, this election is going to be swung by soccer moms and African Americans and how likely they are to actually vote (and vote for Barack Obama.) Otherwise, McCain'll win it. I think Barack Obama's in a position now to win this election, he just needs to keep up the good appearances.

Words can't describe how much I despise Sarah Palin, she's been brought forward by John McCain in a desperate bid to win Clinton voters over. She's a self righteous preacher who has virtually nothing to add to McCain's campaign, she's just being used and she's letting herself be used. It's ridiculous. She will never be Hilary Clinton, no matter how hard McCain might paint it that way.

[Ruth]

Hi Z.

I think a lot of what you say is right. The Republicans brought in Palin to pick up the voters that they thought Hillary would get if Obama had picked her. However, although she has the far right excited, she has not gained them as many votes as they had hoped, and it is now being widely acknowledged that Palin is a big liability for the McCain camp. Her popularity has dropped massively since the announcement that she was McCain's running mate. Personally I think this is because nobody really knew who she was beforehand (even McCain had only met her once)!, and they liked this tough talking, nice looking woman.

That was fine while she was spouting out the speeches which had been written for her, and looking pretty. However, now people are starting to hear what she herself thinks, and people are turning away from her. McCain is too centralist for a lot of the far right, which is part of the reason Palin was brought in. This is not a big problem for Obama, as the far right would not have voted for him anyway.

What people don't realise is that in the States where Bush won easily in 2004 (mostly the Southern States), McCain is perhaps leading by just a couple of points. The far right love Bush, but they are not keen on McCain.

The polls still show Obama as in the lead, and the betting companies (which are generally more reliable than the polls) also have Obama as the likely winner (how I hope they are right)!

I really cannot stand Palin. I can't stand McCain either, but while I think he is a nasty man who is not fit to run a country, I think she is evil. If I was McCain, I would be watching my back, because I think she would be very likely to stab him in it, if it would further her own career!

As much as I detest Palin - McCain picking her has done good things for the Democrats!

[Shaun]

I'm torn really, I don't think either of them are good candidates if I'm honest. McCain obviously has some...extreme beliefs and I'm generally not a Republican anyway, and have always favoured the Democrats; but Obama, IMO, won't be a strong enough President. He talks big, but I'm unconvinced that he has the ability to back that up with action.

Clinton woz robbed. :sad:

[Z]

Originally posted by Ruth
Hi Z.

I think a lot of what you say is right. The Republicans brought in Palin to pick up the voters that they thought Hillary would get if Obama had picked her. However, although she has the far right excited, she has not gained them as many votes as they had hoped, and it is now being widely acknowledged that Palin is a big liability for the McCain camp. Her popularity has dropped massively since the announcement that she was McCain's running mate. Personally I think this is because nobody really knew who she was beforehand (even McCain had only met her once)!, and they liked this tough talking, nice looking woman.

That was fine while she was spouting out the speeches which had been written for her, and looking pretty. However, now people are starting to hear what she herself thinks, and people are turning away from her. McCain is too centralist for a lot of the far right, which is part of the reason Palin was brought in. This is not a big problem for Obama, as the far right would not have voted for him anyway.

What people don't realise is that in the States where Bush won easily in 2004 (mostly the Southern States), McCain is perhaps leading by just a couple of points. The far right love Bush, but they are not keen on McCain.

The polls still show Obama as in the lead, and the betting companies (which are generally more reliable than the polls) also have Obama as the likely winner (how I hope they are right)!

I really cannot stand Palin. I can't stand McCain either, but while I think he is a nasty man who is not fit to run a country, I think she is evil. If I was McCain, I would be watching my back, because I think she would be very likely to stab him in it, if it would further her own career!

As much as I detest Palin - McCain picking her has done good things for the Democrats!


I couldn't agree with you more Ruth - I think McCain's done himself more harm than good by choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate. She's not good enough. All of the scandal about her daughter being pregnant, in contrast with her views on pregnancy, and then her generally extreme views on many issues... She's a head case, I'm sure that she was chosen because she was female and pretty. Hilary might have been a sell out sometimes, but at least she could think for herself, and she had her own opinions. Sarah Palin's opinions seem scripted, like everything else in the McCain campaign - nothing seems heartfelt, I suppose is what I'm saying.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth

I really cannot stand Palin. I can't stand McCain either, but while I think he is a nasty man who is not fit to run a country, I think she is evil. If I was McCain, I would be watching my back, because I think she would be very likely to stab him in it, if it would further her own career!

You really don't understand what evil is, do you?
Just because someone might have different morals to you or Obama, thats doesn't make them evil!
Prove that she would stab McCain in the back or that she is evil. You can't because its an opinion like my opinion that Obama wont deliver on the little he has promised. It works both ways

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Spike
and I don't agree with the statement that McCain is more likely to start a world war
Its the countries which pose a threat to America and the world which are likely to start a war.
The difference is that in McCain we will have someone decisive and fight back for his country before the damage is done whereas Obama will be still searching for his back bone to make a decision.

:thumbs: spot on:kiss:

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth

I really cannot stand Palin. I can't stand McCain either, but while I think he is a nasty man who is not fit to run a country, I think she is evil. If I was McCain, I would be watching my back, because I think she would be very likely to stab him in it, if it would further her own career!

You really don't understand what evil is, do you?
Just because someone might have different morals to you or Obama, thats doesn't make them evil!
Prove that she would stab McCain in the back or that she is evil. You can't because its an opinion like my opinion that Obama wont deliver on the little he has promised. It works both ways

Ahem. I didn't say she would stab him in the back. I said I thought that she was likely to. Unlike you, who said that Obama definitely lied.

I made a definite point of saying that it was my opinion only. In all of your posts, you stated that this would definitely happen and that would definitely happen. BIG difference. I can explain it to you if you like.

Yes, Palin has different morals to me. I don't believe in making rape victims pay for the testing kits. I don't believe I should try and get someone fired from their job because of a personal disagreement with them. That's just two things for starters. I could go on, but I have already listed all my reasons in my previous posts, so there's really no point in me repeating myself, as you are clearly not taking any notice of what I am saying anyway.

NOTE - I said "I think" she is evil. Not "she is definitely evil."

NOTE - I said, "I think she would be likely to stab him (in the back". Not "she will definitely stab him in the back."

I understand exactly what evil means. I'm not sure you do though.

Anyway sweetheart, life's too short to keep banging my head against a brick wall, so....I'm outta here.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Ruth

Anyway sweetheart, life's too short to keep banging my head against a brick wall, so....I'm outta here.

You must have done it for long enough to knock sense out of you and to be supporting Obama who I think is a killer alien who landed on earth 10,000 years ago. And remember I said "I think" so I don't have to proove my statement because its my opinion :spin:

[Ruth]

Yep....Obama's up in the polls - even Fox News! That makes me happy!! Palin's popularity has gone down massively! That makes me happy!! Even in the states that Bush - BUSH! - won safely, and which are strong Republican states, McCain is only up by a couple of points - the extreme right don't like him, because he is too centralist for them. That makes me happy!!

See - at least I research what I'm talking about.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think if Obama had hilary as his number 2 they would have a much greater chance, he should have gona for that! (hmmm someone who morally thinks it ok to tell jokes about rape victims and muslims dying of cancer! "different" or scary?)

[DigitalSid]

I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

The thing is it does have an impact on the UK. Our leaders have always been great followers of the US and their economy links into ours in a BIG way. I personally would like to see a US president who would be a strong leader without feeling the need to go to war with any country that dared to disagree with them.

[~Kizwiz~]

Our economy greatly mirror's Amercia's. You only have to look at the stockmarket for an example of that. The Fste closely follows what the Dow Jones does and this in itself impacts on country

[lookintomyeyes]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

I know this and it sickens me tbh.

why can't gordon brown fix things so we remain unaffected?

we are part of europe, not america.

[NettoSuperstar!]

The leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world affects all of us

[Ruth]

Originally posted by lookintomyeyes
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

I know this and it sickens me tbh.

why can't gordon brown fix things so we remain unaffected?

we are part of europe, not america.

Nobody can fix it so that we remain unaffected.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Ruth

Anyway sweetheart, life's too short to keep banging my head against a brick wall, so....I'm outta here.

You must have done it for long enough to knock sense out of you and to be supporting Obama who I think is a killer alien who landed on earth 10,000 years ago. And remember I said "I think" so I don't have to proove my statement because its my opinion :spin:

I cant believe you guys have been debating with a lunatic this whole time. Hve you not read his/her posts enough to know that its one of those..............
Anyways, back on earth, Barrack Obama will win, it certainly isnt a done deal, but it is a high probability.
I lived in Arizona for 13 years, so I know ohn Mcain's views in and out, and thank our lucky star he is not going to be president. There is no way a republican is gonna win this year after 8 years of Dawya!
ANd thank god for the United States of America, where everyone actually has a chance to be the commander in chief, regardless of race!

[Ruth]

Two close friends of mine live in Rhode Island (which is where hubby and I are going for the election). They tell me much the same - that the election is Obama's unless something drastic happens. They are having an election party on the 4th November - let's hope we will have something to celebrate!

[DigitalSid]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it does. Unless your in the housing market or run a bank.

The media exaggerates it all.

Any effect it does have is the fault of stupid people in this country investing in a country that's had a failing economy for years, just because they've seen it in the films.

I don't own my house and I don't run a bank and I don't invest in foreign countries with a currency weaker than my own. Therefore, it won't effect me. I'll happily eat my words if it does, but it won't.

The only elections I care about are this country's, and possibly the ones of countrys in the EU. Just like american people only care about their election.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by DigitalSid
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by DigitalSid
I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it does. Unless your in the housing market or run a bank.

The media exaggerates it all.

Any effect it does have is the fault of stupid people in this country investing in a country that's had a failing economy for years, just because they've seen it in the films.

I don't own my house and I don't run a bank and I don't invest in foreign countries with a currency weaker than my own. Therefore, it won't effect me. I'll happily eat my words if it does, but it won't.

The only elections I care about are this country's, and possibly the ones of countrys in the EU. Just like american people only care about their election.

It certainly does affect the UK. A recession in the US will lead to a fall in UK exports to the US. A fall in Exports could cause a fall in AD Therefore, it could contribute to a recession in the UK.

Also a recession in the US is likely to adversely effect consumer confidence in countries, such as the UK.
The UK is likely to have an appreciation in the exchange rate against the dollar, this is because interest rates in US are likely to be lower. Therefore, there will be more hot money flows into the UK. A stronger £ will make UK exports less competitive

[JOSHUAH!]

I hope Obama wins the Election. I actually feel McCain would be more likely to go to war, with reassurance from Sarah Palin - I really don't like her stand on things, when she says she would go to war with Russia etc.

[sexy_leigh]

the world will look down(even more) on america if OBAMA does not become president as he is a better person for the job and mcain isn't end of.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Obama "$600 billion spent on Iraq, 4000 lives lost and Al Quaeda stronger than ever" Best line of the debate

[Ruth]

Originally posted by JOSHUAH!
I hope Obama wins the Election. I actually feel McCain would be more likely to go to war, with reassurance from Sarah Palin - I really don't like her stand on things, when she says she would go to war with Russia etc.

Particularly disturbing when she doesn't even seem to know who the Russian president is.:bored: