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http://swop-art.com/images/tracey-emin-my-bed.jpg
My bed
[/i]By Tracey Emmin[/i]
A little about the artist and the work:
"Tracey Emin shows us her own bed, in all its embarrassing glory. Empty booze bottles, fag butts, stained sheets, worn panties: the bloody aftermath of a nervous breakdown. By presenting her bed as art, Tracey Emin shares her most personal space, revealing she’s as insecure and imperfect as the rest of the world."
This piece of art sold for £150,000!
The debate
Is this art? What makes this so good? Does it mean anything to you or is it just a messy bed?
Princess
22-09-2008, 08:36 PM
Thats not art! Anyone could make their bed messy.
can i just ask who would buy that for £150,000
it's not art to me
it might be to some people though
pinkmichk
22-09-2008, 08:37 PM
blimey if thats all it takes to make £150,000 then i am selling mine nope i dont see that as art
LemonJam
22-09-2008, 08:37 PM
Absolutley.
Art is self expression, you just have to look for the connotations and denotations. Everything around us is inspired by art.
This topic has completey baffled me, my tutor told me to go away and look at this exhibition but I cant help but think its not art... check out all the thought that went into this piece:
http://www.egs.edu/faculty/emin/emin-tracey-emins-my-bed.html
Sorry no to correct myself... art is whatever you make of it, but to me its not art.
GhettoSuperstar
22-09-2008, 08:41 PM
It's not art, its ****.
xDramatick
22-09-2008, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by LemonJam
Absolutley.
Art is self expression, you just have to look for the connotations and denotations. Everything around us is inspired by art.
Annie
22-09-2008, 08:45 PM
I think its art.. I dont know why. I just can see why someone would say its art. its different. unique and thought through. thats art right?
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 08:49 PM
if thats art......... I'm a super model called clive:conf2:
http://i35.tinypic.com/e5n241.jpg
Its art.
Anything can be passed off as art these days as ridiculous as it might be :whistle:
Annie
22-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Tom I actually would buy that. :conf2:
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Tom
http://i35.tinypic.com/e5n241.jpg
Its art.
Anything can be passed off as art these days as ridiculous as it might be :whistle:
Now that in comparrison to the OP is quite classy, hmmmm how much do you want for it Tom? :joker::kiss:
dupin
22-09-2008, 08:56 PM
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
LemonJam
22-09-2008, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by dupin
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
Hit the nail on the head there. :thumbs:
Sorry guys I have been researching on this piece all night and it seems the real version would make more sense! As disgusting as it sounds the real version was filled with condoms, alcohol, stained yellow sheets bloody knickers and empty cigarrette boxes, she left it exactly the same from when she had stayed in it for several days after suicidal houghts after relationship problems...
That makes more sense, as much as I would really not want too see it, it shows a womans complete low point without filters... need to stop being so Naive and research these things first lol. But that actual photo is rubbish, I would much rather the un filtered picture showing the true pain!
bronaaaa
22-09-2008, 09:50 PM
I think its art..but i wouldnt pay 150,00£ for it :laugh:
LemonJam
22-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by Fom
Sorry guys I have been researching on this piece all night and it seems the real version would make more sense! As disgusting as it sounds the real version was filled with condoms, alcohol, stained yellow sheets bl***y knickers and empty cigarrette boxes, she left it exactly the same from when she had stayed in it for several days after suicidal houghts after relationship problems...
That makes more sense, as much as I would really not want too see it, it shows a womans complete low point without filters... need to stop being so Naive and research these things first lol. But that actual photo is rubbish, I would much rather the un filtered picture showing the true pain!
Thats made me love it even more. :blush2:
Xander
22-09-2008, 09:52 PM
I hate this type of art, people who claim its art and get paid a ridcouls amount of money for it. Anyone can do that more alless, its not real talent;
It is definitely art. Art is your inner most thoughts and feelings expressed in the world around you, and this is what she has done. I think it's magnificent. I wouldn't pay £150,000 for it though. That's just ridiculous. lol.
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by dupin
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
LOL, sorry but this is a modern day example of the old story "The King with no clothes on" its just taken the tate modern or whatever so called "art gallery" this thing happens to be in to actually listen to the littel boy saying...
"you know, the King is actually naked"
I always wonder what if someone happened to walk in a smear pizza on the wall of one of these trendy galleries and how long it would be before most of the smarmy arty folks who stroll round parousing this cr*p would notice it is indeed just a piece of smeared pizza, and not an exhibit :rolleyes:
Oh, and I would want paying much more than £150,000 to take it out to the bin for em too:whistle:
LemonJam
22-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by dupin
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
LOL, sorry but this is a modern day example of the old story "The King with no clothes on" its just taken the tate modern or whatever so called "art gallery" this thing happens to be in to actually listen to the littel boy saying...
"you know, the King is actually naked"
I always wonder what if someone happened to walk in a smear pizza on the wall of one of these trendy galleries and how long it would be before most of the smarmy arty folks who stroll round parousing this cr*p would notice it is indeed just a piece of smeared pizza, and not an exhibit :rolleyes:
Oh, and I would want paying much more than £150,000 to take it out to the bin for em too:whistle:
It is art.
Its like saying some African dumming isn't music because there is no tune.
You just need to look closely at the meaning and understand your interpretation of what its trying to communicate.
TheMac
22-09-2008, 10:10 PM
It is art in my opinion, and i actually quite like it for some reason. Art is anything that expresses a feeling in my opinion, and this certainly does.
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by dupin
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
LOL, sorry but this is a modern day example of the old story "The King with no clothes on" its just taken the tate modern or whatever so called "art gallery" this thing happens to be in to actually listen to the littel boy saying...
"you know, the King is actually naked"
I always wonder what if someone happened to walk in a smear pizza on the wall of one of these trendy galleries and how long it would be before most of the smarmy arty folks who stroll round parousing this cr*p would notice it is indeed just a piece of smeared pizza, and not an exhibit :rolleyes:
Oh, and I would want paying much more than £150,000 to take it out to the bin for em too:whistle:
It is art.
Its like saying some African dumming isn't music because there is no tune.
You just need to look closely at the meaning and understand your interpretation of what its trying to communicate.
Well blow me down, I could take the same photo, almost every morning of my own daughters bedroom and become a multi millionaire by next wednesday afternoon.
Thanks for the idea, why i never thought of that before god only knows :shrug: ......................:wink::laugh:
Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by dupin
Well it is art, whether any of you like it or not - it is a piece done by a very respected artist & it's a fairly well known piece of art. It's not very accessible, perhaps, which is why so many people are dubious. What's important to realize is that it's a piece of conceptual art, so the bed itself is not as important as the concept & thought process behind it.
LOL, sorry but this is a modern day example of the old story "The King with no clothes on" its just taken the tate modern or whatever so called "art gallery" this thing happens to be in to actually listen to the littel boy saying...
"you know, the King is actually naked"
I always wonder what if someone happened to walk in a smear pizza on the wall of one of these trendy galleries and how long it would be before most of the smarmy arty folks who stroll round parousing this cr*p would notice it is indeed just a piece of smeared pizza, and not an exhibit :rolleyes:
Oh, and I would want paying much more than £150,000 to take it out to the bin for em too:whistle:
It is art.
Its like saying some African dumming isn't music because there is no tune.
You just need to look closely at the meaning and understand your interpretation of what its trying to communicate.
Well blow me down, I could take the same photo, almost every morning of my own daughters bedroom and become a multi millionaire by next wednesday afternoon.
Thanks for the idea, why i never thought of that before god only knows :shrug: ......................:wink::laugh:
Is your daughter going though depression and thinking of suicide and wont leave the bed?
I must admit the photo is rubbish, but this as an exhibition... is a lot more insightful.
Deirdre
22-09-2008, 10:19 PM
It's actually pretty cool when you hear the story behind it
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Fom
Is your daughter going though depression and thinking of suicide and wont leave the bed?
I must admit the photo is rubbish, but this as an exhibition... is a lot more insightful.
I dont see the relevance of my daughters lifestyle, this is a about a painting isnt it? and whether its deemed as "art".
Or can I go straight to the X factor finals by having cancer and without singing a single note?:wink:
30stone
22-09-2008, 10:28 PM
Selling My Messy room just £96,760
Bargin.
Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by Fom
Is your daughter going though depression and thinking of suicide and wont leave the bed?
I must admit the photo is rubbish, but this as an exhibition... is a lot more insightful.
I dont see the relevance of my daughters lifestyle, this is a about a painting isnt it? and whether its deemed as "art".
Or can I go straight to the X factor finals by having cancer and without singing a single note?:wink:
No I mean thats the back story behind the piece... thats what the bed means. I think a journey on the x factor and a journey to a climax of an art piece is 2 different things.
This woman was so depressed she never left her bed, her blood covered knickers were over her bedroom but she didnt care, the empty bottles and cigarrette packages just show how depressed she got.
I cant believe Ive changed my opinion on this so much... but its amazing what a bit of research can do!
AngRemembered
22-09-2008, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Fom
No I mean thats the back story behind the piece... thats what the bed means. I think a journey on the x factor and a journey to a climax of an art piece is 2 different things.
This woman was so depressed she never left her bed, her blood covered knickers were over her bedroom but she didnt care, the empty bottles and cigarrette packages just show how depressed she got.
I cant believe Ive changed my opinion on this so much... but its amazing what a bit of research can do!
I must say Fom, you've done a great job in your argument you have me looking back and reconsidering, definately not going to be as harsh the next time.
Well done Fom :kiss:
Art is subjective. Anything can be called art if that's the way people perceive it.
However, if the question is 'does this take talent to produce?' I would have to say no. I wouldn't give Tracey Emin the time of day, either as an artist or as a person.
Sticks
23-09-2008, 07:51 AM
This was my contribution to modern art
http://www.stickings90.freeserve.co.uk/images/modernart%2001.jpg
http://www.stickings90.freeserve.co.uk/images/modernart%2002.jpg
I call it "The Leaning Tower of Knicker Bocker Glories". The three segments came from Knicker Bocker glories sold from an ice cream van in the 1990's, and the top bit used to contain mini Smarties.
Barbie
23-09-2008, 08:06 AM
it is art but i dont like it... we did tracy emin in college... her art is vile
Originally posted by Sticks
This was my contribution to modern art
http://www.stickings90.freeserve.co.uk/images/modernart%2001.jpg
http://www.stickings90.freeserve.co.uk/images/modernart%2002.jpg
I call it "The Leaning Tower of Knicker Bocker Glories". The three segments came from Knicker Bocker glories sold from an ice cream van in the 1990's, and the top bit used to contain mini Smarties.
i would rather buy your art for 150,000 then that mess
It depends what you look for in art really.
GiRTh
23-09-2008, 09:35 AM
Of course its art. If art is the expression of a creative thought then art can be whatever you want it to be.
Mrluvaluva
23-09-2008, 10:57 AM
An installation such as this has a story behind it. It makes you think, as all art does. For me, this always made me think of the life behind the piece. The life of the person who slept in that bed and the goings on in it. I would not pay £150,000 for it though.
Art is different for everyone. Some people like portraits for example. Others like abstract and so on. Look how well Damian Hirst has done recently with his 2 day auction.
Art is actually a very good investment too especially when created by prolific artists such as Tracey Emmin.
ange7
23-09-2008, 12:39 PM
yes it is ... why wouldn't it be?
Not "pretty" enough? Art doesn't have to be beautiful.
Maybe because some people don't get it? Well a lot of people don't understand a lot of stuff... that's not proof of anything. ( except that they need to get out of the house more and go easy on the Knicker Bocker glories).
Maybe people don't think it's art because it doesn't have a "message".Just because a piece doesn't communicate something doesn't mean that it's not art. ( btw this does)
If people here hated Emin's bed then what would they think of this?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Marcel_Duchamp_Fountain_at_Tate_Modern_by_David_Sh ankbone.jpg/800px-Marcel_Duchamp_Fountain_at_Tate_Modern_by_David_Sh ankbone.jpg
Marcel Duchamp's 1917 work "Fountain".
it's a urinal!! ... worth US$2 mil, tate modern and.... it is ART! ... whether you like it or not. In fact his point was "what is art"... at least it's how a read it. Can something you p*** into be art? What about if you take the urinal out of it normal everyday context of a public toilet and move it to an art gallery...is it art now?..and who decides?... He was asking those question of normal everyday "found objects" in 1917.
NettoSuperstar!
23-09-2008, 01:10 PM
It might be art but I wouldnt buy it! I mean where would you put the damn thing?
ange7
23-09-2008, 01:19 PM
no nor would I ... but if I had a lazy 2 million and hated Duchamp then I'd install it in the bathroom and do a p**s in it hehe.
Originally posted by bbE
It might be art but I wouldnt buy it! I mean where would you put the damn thing?
Something tells me it was bought by a gallery... not a private owner.
Ok here is one to make your minds wander a little bit... we had a presentation about these kind of "Art pieces" and this one is pure pathetic in my own opinion... although I am sure if I was there at that moment it would be more special?
Its a 4.33 min musical piece without any music notes... and its classed as art?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E
My tutor raised the point... art is anything with a frame round it (Metaphotically) For example John Cage put a frame around silence and it became art... Emin put a frame round a messy bed and its art. Its weird but true.
The most bizarre thing about John Cage's "4.33" is that its actually sold as an MP3 =/
Yeah because it's very self expressive.
Benjamin
01-10-2008, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Fom
http://swop-art.com/images/tracey-emin-my-bed.jpg
My bed
[/i]By Tracey Emmin[/i]
A little about the artist and the work:
"Tracey Emin shows us her own bed, in all its embarrassing glory. Empty booze bottles, fag butts, stained sheets, worn panties: the bl***y aftermath of a nervous breakdown. By presenting her bed as art, Tracey Emin shares her most personal space, revealing she’s as insecure and imperfect as the rest of the world."
This piece of art sold for £150,000!
The debate
Is this art? What makes this so good? Does it mean anything to you or is it just a messy bed?
I remember this a few years ago. It caused a major talking point becuase it won the Tate prize I think.
Yeah I can see art in this, because of the story behind it. It is not everyday art, but contemporary Art.
pinkmichk
01-10-2008, 06:22 PM
since this was first posted i have changed my view yes its art just not my bag at all
as for that 4.33 seems slightly bizarre but agree with you fom that being there to witness it would have given a totally different perspective
Here is another one to rack your brains! I am completely and utterly disgusted by this one... and I disagree 100% that this is art.
http://photos-502.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v235/119/34/587590502/n587590502_2784433_8656.jpg
THE STORY:
In 2007, the 'artist' Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, took a dog from the street, tied him to a rope in an art gallery and began starving him to death.
For several days, the 'artist' and the visitors of the exhibition watched, emotionless, the shameful 'masterpiece' based on the dog's agony, until eventually he died.
Does THIS sound like art to you?
But this is not all... the prestigious Visual Arts Biennial of Central America decided that the 'installation' WAS actually art, so Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel action for the Biennial of 2008.
Let's STOP HIM!!!!!
Sign the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/ea6gk/petition.html
Here is another petition that is 2 million signatures strong. Please feel free to sign it as well:
http://www.petitiononline.com/13031953/petition.html
Please do it. It's free of charge, there is no need to register, and it will only take 1 minute to save the life of an innocent creature.
AND, for those of you saying "This is all a hoax, etc," here is a direct quote FROM THE 'ARTIST' himself!:
"I knew the dog died on the following day from lack of food. During the inauguration, I knew that the dog was persecuted in the evening between the houses of aluminum and cardboard in a district of Managua. 5 children who helped to capture the dog received 10 bonds of córdobas for their assistance. The name of the dog was Natividad, and I let him die of hunger in the sight of everyone, as if the death of a poor dog was a shameless media show in which nobody does anything but to applaud or to watch disturbed. In the place that the dog was exposed remain a metal cable and a cord. The dog was extremely ill and did not want to eat, so in natural surroundings it would have died anyway; thus they are all poor stray dogs: sooner or later they die or are killed."
And here is an actual comment of a fan... its disgusting, and people try and pass it off as art... even if it does make us evoke an emotion, an animal has died for our entertainment. Its not art... its animal abuse being covered up as if its acceptable to do these kind of things!
This man is a genius. stop and think about how this is making you feel. Art is often defined by he emotion that it expresses and/ or invokes on is viewers. This masterpiece has done both... by expressing the extreme in despair and solitude, and invoking pure distaste and hatred for the piece and its creator, and even the viewer himself is disgusted by his or her peers. and yet there is nothing you can do to end it. How closed minded can you be?
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
rayheartbliss
14-10-2008, 08:06 PM
usually apreciates any of an artist's work buh these..i dont see any art on them...in small sences it has art on it...buh it wouldnt be a piece ^,^
LemonJam
14-10-2008, 08:09 PM
As you know, I'm a fan of the first one, but that one with the dog is just ****ing sick.
dupin
14-10-2008, 08:12 PM
The second one is art, but whether it's work killing a dog for art is entirely debatable, and most, including me, would say that it's an awful art piece.
hannah.
15-10-2008, 01:54 PM
oh my god the dog one's awful! it actually makes me want to cry
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