Suicide and depression

[supernoodles!]

What are your views on suicide and depression,personally I think there is just niot enough done to prevent it and not enough awareness about depression.As someone who has suffered from it myself and also has to deal with it in my family (my mam is bi polar) It frustrates me that while there is so much emphasis placed on other disease`s/disorders (depending on what you believe in) ,people still refuse to take depression seriously

Both depression and suicide are topics that are very personal to me,one of my best friends killed herself when she was 13,my uncle killed himself when I was 11 and a close family friend also commited suicide when I was 9.Just last year my neighbour (lives opposite me) ,aged 23 hung himself in the home he was sharing with his grandma who was on holiday at the time.His body was left undiscovered for 6 days and the way inwhich the police dealt with the discovery appauled me.

[Jake!]

Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.

[NettoSuperstar!]

yeh its sad there should be more psychotherapy available. it seems to be a postcode lottery at the moment. Sorry to hear about your family anyway.

[supernoodles!]

its ok,ha i sound like i live a right depressing life lol I diddn`t mean it to sound that way:spin:
I think there needs to be more awareness of it shown in tv as well.I like that fact eastenders touched on it (bi polar disorder) with Stacey mum although they do tend to make her out like a right fruit loop and that can lead people into thinking that all people who are bi polar act like that.When I tell people they often say 'oh so she is like Staceys mam of eastenders or Kerry Katona?'
hmmmm not really.lol.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by JustJake
Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.



I know,it seems to follow me around for some reason.It was really sad when they discovered my neighbour,I mean he was a horrible man ,messed up with drugs and used to be violent towards his gf but to think that he was hanging from his staircase that close to where I was for that amount of time is really awful.Not sure if it was the police or the undertakers decision but they actually brought him out through the front door in the middle of the street which i thought was wrong.:sad:

[Sunny_01]

This is a topic that is also close to my own heart.

I am bi-polar myself and know only to well that the services available are very lacking. Getting the intital help is the main problem in the first instance, you end up passed from pillar to post until someone takes ownership of the situation. Many mental health teams are ill equipped to deal with you and struggle to offer the support needed.

I have also lost several friends to suicide, it is devestating for those of us they leave behind, but I can totally accept that they feel there is nothing left to live for and that it is just to hard. They make a choice to end their suffering and we have to accept that it is their choice to make, heart breaking that it is. I have felt those familiar feelings of anger, and rage towards a dear friend who killed himself and just couldnt believe that he would leave me like that, but over time I realise it was about him and not me.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.



I know,it seems to follow me around for some reason.It was really sad when they discovered my neighbour,I mean he was a horrible man ,messed up with drugs and used to be violent towards his gf but to think that he was hanging from his staircase that close to where I was for that amount of time is really awful.Not sure if it was the police or the undertakers decision but they actually brought him out through the front door in the middle of the street which i thought was wrong.:sad:

Very wrong. People should have more respect...

[supernoodles!]

I used to feel the exact same way about my friend too sunny_01,perhaps because I was so young but my first reaction wasn`t sadness,there wasn`t even a sense of loss at first,I felt abandoned more than anything and couldn`t understand why,then I was angry and it turned to resentment for a little while.Eventually though,over time and as I got older,the same as you I began to realsie that it was about her.

[Loukas]

It's horrable and it happens :(. I have lost 3 friends to suicide, wasn't good i was with one of them at the time. I understand why they did it but it doesn't make it right. I hate it but i can see why they do it.

[Jake!]

Its sad hearing stories of people who lose their lives young.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by JustJake
Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.



I know,it seems to follow me around for some reason.It was really sad when they discovered my neighbour,I mean he was a horrible man ,messed up with drugs and used to be violent towards his gf but to think that he was hanging from his staircase that close to where I was for that amount of time is really awful.Not sure if it was the police or the undertakers decision but they actually brought him out through the front door in the middle of the street which i thought was wrong.:sad:

Very wrong. People should have more respect...

It must just be the way its done though,and I diddn`t realise it,his clothing was partially visible still as he was laid on the stretcher which just seemed disrespectful even more so.I mean there are alot of kids in our street,they play outside the houses ,my sister herself was only 8 at the time,it is a very confusing message to give to children

[Jake!]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.



I know,it seems to follow me around for some reason.It was really sad when they discovered my neighbour,I mean he was a horrible man ,messed up with drugs and used to be violent towards his gf but to think that he was hanging from his staircase that close to where I was for that amount of time is really awful.Not sure if it was the police or the undertakers decision but they actually brought him out through the front door in the middle of the street which i thought was wrong.:sad:

Very wrong. People should have more respect...

It must just be the way its done though,and I diddn`t realise it,his clothing was partially visible still as he was laid on the stretcher which just seemed disrespectful even more so.I mean there are alot of kids in our street,they play outside the houses ,my sister herself was only 8 at the time,it is a very confusing message to give to children

Was the body not even covered up, that is so disrespectful.

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by JustJake
Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Originally posted by supernoodles!
Originally posted by JustJake
Its horrible to think that someone can be that upset that they kill themselves and know that nothing was done about it. Its terrible, there should be more help avalible.



I know,it seems to follow me around for some reason.It was really sad when they discovered my neighbour,I mean he was a horrible man ,messed up with drugs and used to be violent towards his gf but to think that he was hanging from his staircase that close to where I was for that amount of time is really awful.Not sure if it was the police or the undertakers decision but they actually brought him out through the front door in the middle of the street which i thought was wrong.:sad:

Very wrong. People should have more respect...

It must just be the way its done though,and I diddn`t realise it,his clothing was partially visible still as he was laid on the stretcher which just seemed disrespectful even more so.I mean there are alot of kids in our street,they play outside the houses ,my sister herself was only 8 at the time,it is a very confusing message to give to children

Was the body not even covered up, that is so disrespectful.

yeah it was covered up totally,his face wasn`t visible or anything it was just the sides were open,you could see exactly what he was wearing

[Jake!]

Its still a very sensitivesubject though, and its horrible to think that something really bad could've happened to us and we would actually kill ourselves. Its a terrible feeling...

[Tom]

Theres a lot of ignorance about depression. Most people think its just being very unhappy and it can be changed by cheering up, but its an imbalance of hormones which is something that can't really be helped. I think thats why it isn't taken so seriously, because people just assume that someone depressed is just someone very unhappy.

[hannah.]

When I was in year 8 my best friend killed herself because she was being bullied, and we had a like garden bit where when someone who went to my school died we'd plant a tree and the bullies chopped it down [it wasnt like massive lol], and the school didn't do anything about it. They didn't even seem to care, it was awful. For about a year after that I had depression and it's so weird, nobody seems to care really? I know e3xactly what you mean about it not having almost enough awareness about it
My dad's depressed at the moment and is doctor's given him pills but he's refusing to take them because last time he did they made him feel really "weird" apparently :joker:

[Angel.D]

Originally posted by Tom
Theres a lot of ignorance about depression. Most people think its just being very unhappy and it can be changed by cheering up, but its an imbalance of hormones which is something that can't really be helped. I think thats why it isn't taken so seriously, because people just assume that someone depressed is just someone very unhappy.



Theres not a lot of support from people today unless they have plenty of money then people want to talk to you.

[Z]

A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad. That's the only case of suicide that's affected my life, in that I knew the woman, but it's not something I'm familiar with so I can't really pass comment.

I know a girl who claims she is depressed. I say claims, because she's a very attention seeking sort of person (crying wolf and all that, I don't know whether to take her seriously) which is bad of me, I suppose, because if she really is depressed and it's a cry for help - I'm ignoring it. But, a recent example, she signed into MSN and spoke to me for the first time in a while, the usual Hey/how are you thing, then she said "I'm signed out from college due to depression." followed by "But I'm in Florida at the moment, at least I get a longer holiday!"

My question to anybody who's been depressed before is - if you are depressed, do you ever feel open enough to speak about it, and to "look on the positive side" in the way that she did? It's easy for me to scoff and say she's contradicted herself, she's made some kind of optimistic statement, she's clearly not depressed, but I've never suffered from depression before, so I don't know what it's like.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Z
A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad. That's the only case of suicide that's affected my life, in that I knew the woman, but it's not something I'm familiar with so I can't really pass comment.

I know a girl who claims she is depressed. I say claims, because she's a very attention seeking sort of person (crying wolf and all that, I don't know whether to take her seriously) which is bad of me, I suppose, because if she really is depressed and it's a cry for help - I'm ignoring it. But, a recent example, she signed into MSN and spoke to me for the first time in a while, the usual Hey/how are you thing, then she said "I'm signed out from college due to depression." followed by "But I'm in Florida at the moment, at least I get a longer holiday!"

My question to anybody who's been depressed before is - if you are depressed, do you ever feel open enough to speak about it, and to "look on the positive side" in the way that she did? It's easy for me to scoff and say she's contradicted herself, she's made some kind of optimistic statement, she's clearly not depressed, but I've never suffered from depression before, so I don't know what it's like.

If your friend is on medication then yes she probably is ok to talk in that way about it and to still feel positive about the future.

My bi-polar is "mainly" controlled pretty well and I am a positive person who can always look forwards, yet when a depressive episode hits I cant think straight, I cant function and it can turn really quickly. Now I know bi-polar is completely different but it is in principal very similar. I say as long as she has hope that things will get better then thats great.

On the flipside of there not being enough services there is a huge strain on the ones we have with those who are not actually depressed, just unhappy trying to get onto the sickness list to avoid work who are using up valuable services. People are very quicky to say they are depressed these days, I would rather be telling people when I am really well to be honest.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Z
A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad. That's the only case of suicide that's affected my life, in that I knew the woman, but it's not something I'm familiar with so I can't really pass comment.

I know a girl who claims she is depressed. I say claims, because she's a very attention seeking sort of person (crying wolf and all that, I don't know whether to take her seriously) which is bad of me, I suppose, because if she really is depressed and it's a cry for help - I'm ignoring it. But, a recent example, she signed into MSN and spoke to me for the first time in a while, the usual Hey/how are you thing, then she said "I'm signed out from college due to depression." followed by "But I'm in Florida at the moment, at least I get a longer holiday!"

My question to anybody who's been depressed before is - if you are depressed, do you ever feel open enough to speak about it, and to "look on the positive side" in the way that she did? It's easy for me to scoff and say she's contradicted herself, she's made some kind of optimistic statement, she's clearly not depressed, but I've never suffered from depression before, so I don't know what it's like.

Z, I think it's a valid question that you ask, and I have to agree with Sunny's answer. I suffered from depression a few years ago, and came extremely close to suicide (there certainly is not enough help or information available to people, but I was lucky in that I had a superb Doctor, to whom I genuinely believe I probably owe my life). I was still able to make 'jokes' if you can call them that about it - mainly to people I did not know so well. To those closest to me, they were the ones who saw the real anguish, but those who were not so close....I almost felt embarrassed talking to them in anything other than a half joking tone (not that there is anything to be embarrassed about).

I have lost people to suicide - reading this thread, it's sad to see how many people here have lost people in that way, or been touched by suicide in some way. As much as if someone is feeling suicidal, I would want to help them, because I know from my own experience, that there can be a way through to a happy life; I also appreciate that it is their life, and they have the right to end it if they want to. Sometimes I wonder if we should try and stop people killing themselves if that is their desire. A lot of people are in agreement with euthanasia, and believe that people who are physically ill have the right to die. What about those with emotional issues? I don't mean to sound harsh, and repeat that if I had a friend who was suicidal, I would want to help them get through it rather than killing themselves - obviously - but sometimes I wonder if I want to keep people around for my own sake. I don't know...I will have to think on it some more.

[Sticks]

It is worth pointing out there are bodies who can help such as the Samaritans

http://www.samaritans.org/images/banner-392-version2.jpg (http://www.samaritans.org)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Z
A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad. That's the only case of suicide that's affected my life, in that I knew the woman, but it's not something I'm familiar with so I can't really pass comment.

I know a girl who claims she is depressed. I say claims, because she's a very attention seeking sort of person (crying wolf and all that, I don't know whether to take her seriously) which is bad of me, I suppose, because if she really is depressed and it's a cry for help - I'm ignoring it. But, a recent example, she signed into MSN and spoke to me for the first time in a while, the usual Hey/how are you thing, then she said "I'm signed out from college due to depression." followed by "But I'm in Florida at the moment, at least I get a longer holiday!"

My question to anybody who's been depressed before is - if you are depressed, do you ever feel open enough to speak about it, and to "look on the positive side" in the way that she did? It's easy for me to scoff and say she's contradicted herself, she's made some kind of optimistic statement, she's clearly not depressed, but I've never suffered from depression before, so I don't know what it's like.

Yeh I'll just echo Sunny and Ruths answers really. People can make jokes about their situation its kind of like a coping thing or sometimes just putting on a front. I work in mental health and have suffered from depression but noone would have known only my family and close friends. And even the most distressed of the people I see can sometimes come out with a joke about their situation and can be in hysterical laughter but still quite unwell. Its a funny old world mate:thumbs:

[~Kizwiz~]

I've suffered from depression for over 10 years now and its getting worse as I get older. After moving back to Rutland I am very grateful that I have one of the best Doctors in my catchment. He thinks that rather than just pile pills on me and hope for the best, we should explore why I am like I am.

He sent me to the mental health team here in Rutland. I had to wait ages for an appointment and I finally got to see an Occupational Therapist (OT) to 'assess' me.

I was told to be prepared to talk about things and to go with a diary of how I was feeling over the past month or so. I sat with her for over 2 hours and poured my heart out. She brought things out to the surface that I have suppressed for many many years and now those scars are very much open and exposed. Making things so much more worse than they were when I started.

She said that she would go back to her team and discuss the next step.

I didnt get very far because they dont have the funds to help me, apparently, on the back of this OT's 2 hour assessment of me I have a 'personality disorder' so they turned me away :sad:

So I am back to square one, being completely spun around with horrid mood swings which can turn so quickly, self loathing and hatred, obsessive compulsiveness that goes way beyond normal. And manic highs that get so out of control that I have to take a valium to bring me down from the ceiling that leave me with lows so bad that I have to way up if its worth being here having to cope with the horrors in my head.

If it wasnt for my kids and Red then I would have taken my life because right now its hell in my head.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Sorry to hear that KiZZa! There is a serious lack of therapy available and pills are never going to get to the cause although they can help. Have you thought about going private. A mate of mine did that in the end, although its expensive. some psychotherapists will negotiate fees that are more affordable. I really think it would make a world of difference. Good luck with it mate and you can recover, you have so much to keep you on that road for a start!:spin: Oh and dont worry about the personality disorder tag, thats just what they say when they cant fit you into another neat box and your not psychotic which is great news!! :thumbs2:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh and hey I just thought of another thing. We had this woman come into work to talk about some alternative type therapies! Im normally quite sceptical but she showed us this thing called the emotional freedom technique, you can look it up on the net. It sounds really hippy dippy but she cured my boss of her spider phobia in 5 minutes!Not the same thing I know but its worth a try its good for all manner of emotional problems apparently and she claimed to have helped peoples depression, anxiety..!
And its quick doesnt mean delving to deep into things you might not need to etc. Also theres a group called the Human Givens Institue who are gaining serious credibilty, check them out! they deal with past traumas and stuff, mainly work with soldiers but I think they've extended their services wider. I have a degree in psychology and work in mental health so Im not just picking out random **** I think these have worked for a lot of people.

http://www.hgi.org.uk

http://www.emofree.com/

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Sticks
It is worth pointing out there are bodies who can help such as the Samaritans

http://www.samaritans.org/images/banner-392-version2.jpg (http://www.samaritans.org)

Absolutely, and the Samaritans do some amazing work. A friend of mine used to volunteer for them. She told me though, that if someone rings up and says (for example) that they have just taken an overdose, you are not allowed to call an ambulance to try and rescue them. If they want to die, you can stay on the phone and talk to them, but you cannot try and stop them.

[Sod_James]

I think i might suffer with Bi polar im not sure. iv read about it and stuff and a lot of it fits to how i feel most of the time. but my doctors dont speak english so i cant really go and talk to them about it.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I think i might suffer with Bi polar Im not sure. iv read about it and stuff and a lot of it fits to how i feel most of the time. but my doctors dont speak english so i cant really go and talk to them about it.

of course your doctors speak English!!! JeeZ!! You could read most diagnosis things and apply your self to some of it, I wouldnt go by those too much. If you are feeling concerned about the way you feel then go to your doctors, who, even if they are foreign will be able to understand you and they are trained.

Theres some good support forums for people experiencing problems, one I recommend is Nomorepanic

http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sod_James
I think i might suffer with Bi polar Im not sure. iv read about it and stuff and a lot of it fits to how i feel most of the time. but my doctors dont speak english so i cant really go and talk to them about it.


I have to agree with what Netto has said, we can all fit ourselves into neat little boxes if we want to. Be very careful about self diagnosing yourself. If the GP you saw doesnt speak clear enough english then you need to ask to see another. I really think you would be struggling to say I think I am bi-polar if you truly were, it isnt something that is so easy to cope with if you have it.

Like I said I have a diagnosis and am very lucky that I am what is described as "high functioning" bi-polar. I thank the fairies every day for that, I live a relativley normal life that is controlled by a strict medication regime. I know I couldnt function without those meds. I still have episodes, but my family around me now know how to cope with those. I am very lucky indeed, in fact I sometimes think my bi-polar is a gift and not something bad, it lets me look at the world very differently :spin2:

[Nurse57]

I have just been diagnosed with sever reactionary depression. I popped my first happy pill today. Fluoxetine hydrochloride (prozac) and I am going to have to go for counselling (that is so not me)

I feel ****ing stupid as even though I know this can happen to anyone, this does not happen to me.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I have just been diagnosed with sever reactionary depression. I popped my first happy pill today. Fluoxetine hydrochloride (prozac) and I am going to have to go for counselling (that is so not me)

I feel ****ing stupid as even though I know this can happen to anyone, this does not happen to me.

:hug:

Sorry to hear that.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I have just been diagnosed with sever reactionary depression. I popped my first happy pill today. Fluoxetine hydrochloride (prozac) and I am going to have to go for counselling (that is so not me)

I feel ****ing stupid as even though I know this can happen to anyone, this does not happen to me.

Your right it can happen to anyone noones immune mate. I was on anti depressants for a year Im off them now and Im fine, thank god for happy pills all I can say:thumbs:

[Nurse57]

Thanks babe.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Thanks babe.

Prozac is one that I have never been on. I have now been put on some freekin heavy duty tablets in the interim before I see a specialist. They are horrid, they ever sedate me or dont sedate me enough so I am climbing the walls.

I've had a good few weeks but I can feel it bad signs seeping in again and I have no way of controlling them

Plus I have no idea how long my appointment with a specialist will be of if they can help.

I'm not really happy at being labeled with a personality disorder when it seems so general. I feel like I have been passed from pillar to post because I dont fit into any neat little boxes

[Nurse57]

It struck me yesterday when someone mentioned about mental illness. So I am mental now. Great :conf:

Now looking forward to the side effects to kicking before things hopefully look better.

Oh well, shall we be mentalists together?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57

Oh well, shall we be mentalists together?

:xyxwave:

welcome to my world

Just be minded that it can have some odd side effects. SSRI's can leave you very jittery and restless.

I dont get on with SSRI's at all, they tend to make me feel like I have taken amphetamines which I hate

[Nurse57]

"they tend to make me feel like I have taken amphetamines"

Sweet... maybe not.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"they tend to make me feel like I have taken amphetamines"

Sweet... maybe not.

lol..... but not in a good way :wink:

When I 1st took SSRI's I had to take a few weeks off work because I felt so wired.

Hence why I dont take them :bored:

[Nurse57]

Doing a bit of reading it looks like I will either notice nothing in the way of side affects or become a gibbering over active zombie... that sweats a lot.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I had the ***** for a couple of days on citalopram (SSRI) but after that nothing till I came off them then I felt jittery...Having said that I may of just had the ***** cos I was panicky all the time:yuk:

[Nurse57]

It looks like us Leicestershire lot are a bunch of nutters.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol must be summat in the water

[NettoSuperstar!]

and Ive just realised if you write ***** plural its not offensive enough to be censored WoW! ***** ***** *****:spin:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
and Ive just realised if you write ***** plural its not offensive enough to be censored WoW! ***** ***** *****:spin:

I know its the ***** init! :spin:

[Sunny_01]

Wait until you get the nice dry mouth and feel like you have chewed cotton wool feeling that comes often with most SSRI's !!!!
At least you are not taking meds that can leave you a little incontinent lol now when you read that as a possibly side effect you worry :bored:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Wait until you get the nice dry mouth and feel like you have chewed cotton wool feeling that comes often with most SSRI's !!!!
At least you are not taking meds that can leave you a little incontinent lol now when you read that as a possibly side effect you worry :bored:

oh yeh dry mouth I did have that!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Wait until you get the nice dry mouth and feel like you have chewed cotton wool feeling that comes often with most SSRI's !!!!
At least you are not taking meds that can leave you a little incontinent lol now when you read that as a possibly side effect you worry :bored:

Thats a horrid side effect, plus because of the dry mouth I used to start to panic (a dry mouth is my first sign of a panic attack) so it was a no win situation because the SSRI's made me panic even more due to the dry mouth.

[supernoodles!]

wow i diddn`t realise there would be so many members on tibb going through similiar things.Although I am in a much happier place now than i used to be i still feel so alone ,other than when i go to my councilling sessions I don`t tend to speak about my depression as I`ve found friends prefer to turn a blind eye,i understand,its not that there bad friends i just don`t think they know what to say.

[Nurse57]

Just a quick one, how long before I should expect the side affects to start?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Just a quick one, how long before I should expect the side affects to start?

Your on Fluoxetine right?

[Nurse57]

Yep.

[~Kizwiz~]

If you are going to get any side effects they should start over the next few days if not sooner and can last for up to 2 weeks.

You may or not be drozy and you might be nauseous and very restless. They will go away I promise but if they get really bad then go to the docs.

Most people dont get any other side effect other then a dry mouth, a bit sicky and the fidgets and they slowly fade to nothing

Oh and try not to drink (ha ha ha.... I know) but it will make side effects even worse

[Nurse57]

No drink!!! Now I am ****ing depressed.

Thanks for the info. Forgot to ask at the docs.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
No drink!!! Now I am ****ing depressed.

Thanks for the info. Forgot to ask at the docs.

You can drink..... it just might knock you out :sleep:

[Nurse57]

Sounds good to me.

Thanks again. Hope you feel better soon too.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Sounds good to me.

Thanks again. Hope you feel better soon too.

pfff.... thats not gonna happen until I get the right treatment and am sure the waiting list is long!!!!!!

I have no idea where to start but being unhappy about my diagnosis isnt a good place to be

[Nurse57]

Sorry too hear that. At least you are near your family now.

[~Kizwiz~]

I guess thats a good thing yes, they try and understand as much as they can.

I just wish things would move on quicker but until I see a specialist I am stuck on these god awful tablets that zonk me on a higher dose or if I reduce they dont sedate me enough so I climb the walls.

I have good days when I can go out the house and be 'normal' and then I have bad days when I cant be around anyone, not even my family.

On bad days I cant bear to be touched.... its not very nice :sad:

[Nurse57]

Babe.

:flowers:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Babe.

:flowers:

I know :bawling:

We should start the Leicester depresser club :thumbs2:

*sooooooooo lame*

[Nurse57]

The LDC has a ring about it.

[Sunny_01]

Honestly I promise you all things will or should I say Can get better for you. Getting well isnt just about other people stepping in to do it, or medication, it is about wanting to get well. As long as you are committed (or need committed lol) to getting well then you will make progress. I remember very little about when I was at my worst to be honest, but I fight a daily battle to stay as well as I can be, I think a desire to feel better helps.

You might be one of those lucky few who get no side effects, sometimes side effects can make you feel worse than you did and you wonder what the hell you are doing, but if you do get them, stick with them the side effects will pass.

[MrCleversmith]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"they tend to make me feel like I have taken amphetamines"

Sweet... maybe not.

Nevermind amphetamines.

Try amphetamine sulphate.

Lemmy from Motorhead gives it the thumbs up treatment.

"Well he would".

[Sticks]

How about St Johns Wort?

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sticks
How about St Johns Wort?

But always speak to your GP if you are already taking prescription ADs, St Johns Wort can react really badly with medication so be very careful.

[Nurse57]

"How about St Johns Wort?"

I think Lemmy's is bigger.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Honestly I promise you all things will or should I say Can get better for you. Getting well isnt just about other people stepping in to do it, or medication, it is about wanting to get well. As long as you are committed (or need committed lol) to getting well then you will make progress. I remember very little about when I was at my worst to be honest, but I fight a daily battle to stay as well as I can be, I think a desire to feel better helps.

You might be one of those lucky few who get no side effects, sometimes side effects can make you feel worse than you did and you wonder what the hell you are doing, but if you do get them, stick with them the side effects will pass.

yeh agreed very good point missed:thumbs:

[Nurse57]

Thanks for the advice sunny. No side affects yet. I don't think anyway.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Nurse57
Thanks for the advice sunny. No side affects yet. I don't think anyway.

Thats brilliant to hear, you are so lucky to be without side effects, I am pleased for you. Like I said sometimes that side effects can be so bad they put you off taking the medication.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Christine Inghams- Panic Attacks, book is a life saver for anyone experiencing the hell of panic attacks

[Nurse57]

I spoke to soon didn't I.

I am dizzy as **** today. Feel queasy too.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
I spoke to soon didn't I.

I am dizzy as **** today. Feel queasy too.

Just take things easy, the side effects will go away I promise. The wont last too long but if they do get worse try and see your doctor to put your mind at ease


:hug:

[Nurse57]

Thanks matey.

[pinkmichk]

firstly :hug: to everyone in this thread
i was a few years ago in a very bad place i never had tablets but i did have weekly sessions with my doctor where lots of old issues were brought up and talked through i also had to do a diary and at the time i felt lots worse than when i started because of all the stuff i had kept hidden inside being brought to the surface and i will admit that there were times when suicide seemed like the only option for me to the point i had to fight with myself to not step in front of a lorry or jump off a bridge
i have also seen it from the other side and ended up sitting with my mum in a&e cos she had taken a overdose
depression is a nasty thing and it can hit anybody and there really isnt enough help and understanding of it
i am now at a point where i have dealt with my issues and i am no longer in that dark place
i also suffered very bad panic attacks when pregnant and have had a few since then but again i am now in control of these and can do steps to stop them in their tracks

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
firstly :hug: to everyone in this thread
i was a few years ago in a very bad place i never had tablets but i did have weekly sessions with my doctor where lots of old issues were brought up and talked through i also had to do a diary and at the time i felt lots worse than when i started because of all the stuff i had kept hidden inside being brought to the surface and i will admit that there were times when suicide seemed like the only option for me to the point i had to fight with myself to not step in front of a lorry or jump off a bridge
i have also seen it from the other side and ended up sitting with my mum in a&e cos she had taken a overdose
depression is a nasty thing and it can hit anybody and there really isnt enough help and understanding of it
i am now at a point where i have dealt with my issues and i am no longer in that dark place
i also suffered very bad panic attacks when pregnant and have had a few since then but again i am now in control of these and can do steps to stop them in their tracks

big up yerself me duck! Im glad you've got yer panic attacks under control its hell I know!

[Nurse57]

Glad you have it sorted. :colour:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
firstly :hug: to everyone in this thread
i was a few years ago in a very bad place i never had tablets but i did have weekly sessions with my doctor where lots of old issues were brought up and talked through i also had to do a diary and at the time i felt lots worse than when i started because of all the stuff i had kept hidden inside being brought to the surface and i will admit that there were times when suicide seemed like the only option for me to the point i had to fight with myself to not step in front of a lorry or jump off a bridge
i have also seen it from the other side and ended up sitting with my mum in a&e cos she had taken a overdose
depression is a nasty thing and it can hit anybody and there really isnt enough help and understanding of it
i am now at a point where i have dealt with my issues and i am no longer in that dark place
i also suffered very bad panic attacks when pregnant and have had a few since then but again i am now in control of these and can do steps to stop them in their tracks


:hug: glad you have it under control now, it makes all the difference.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
big up yerself me duck


Now if that aint a leicester term then I dont know what it :laugh:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
big up yerself me duck


Now if that aint a leicester term then I dont know what it :laugh:

Proper lesterrr:tongue:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

I though it was lest-oh


Proper lesterrr:tongue:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/slang/

LOL

[supernoodles!]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
firstly :hug: to everyone in this thread
i was a few years ago in a very bad place i never had tablets but i did have weekly sessions with my doctor where lots of old issues were brought up and talked through i also had to do a diary and at the time i felt lots worse than when i started because of all the stuff i had kept hidden inside being brought to the surface and i will admit that there were times when suicide seemed like the only option for me to the point i had to fight with myself to not step in front of a lorry or jump off a bridge
i have also seen it from the other side and ended up sitting with my mum in a&e cos she had taken a overdose
depression is a nasty thing and it can hit anybody and there really isnt enough help and understanding of it
i am now at a point where i have dealt with my issues and i am no longer in that dark place
i also suffered very bad panic attacks when pregnant and have had a few since then but again i am now in control of these and can do steps to stop them in their tracks

im glad your feeling brighter now:hug:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

I though it was lest-oh


Proper lesterrr:tongue:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/slang/

LOL

haha just had a look at that funny:joker:

LOL@ Ahyuhgotyacoggyon?

[Sunny_01]

Oh no side effects kicking in, stay positive, remember they will pass and remember you are not alone. We are all here to talk to, to support you when you want and need it. The side effects can like I said make you feel a little worse for a little while but stick with the tablets it really will pass I promise.

The nausea is awful I really feel for you honey.:flowers:

[ange7]

awww this is the best thread ever .... nice one

[Shaun]

I have contemplated it before but not so seriously... right now i'm a lot more depressed than usual, and I want to open up about it but not to anyone i know in real life, for fear of judgment and mockery. This is why i'm so desperate to have the internet back so I can discuss it with others i trust but don't know.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
awww this is the best thread ever .... nice one

Yo Ange7 nice to see you back, one of the intelligent posters:thumbs:

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ange7
awww this is the best thread ever .... nice one

Yo Ange7 nice to see you back, one of the intelligent posters:thumbs:
lol hey hi!... I like the Flight of the conchords reference. .. here's my fav http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=cUm3b2r9osg&feature=related
Yeah great thread supernoodles
.... my bro inlaw is bi polar and early on I made lots of mistakes like being condescending, patronising.... saying stuff like "one in four suffer from depression atleast at one point in there lives" or even worse " lots of great people of history were bipolar....". God makes me cringe just recalling all the times I put my foot in it hehe ..anyway his got a great network around him that support without getting in his face. Glad to see this brought up here at tibb... nice one ...lol and just when I'd given up on tibb ( till bb bb9 atleast hehe). Some years back a high profile politician here in Australia, Jeff Kennett, went public with his years of struggle with depression. That went a huge way in de-stigmatising it and the subsequent website he helped setup continues to help those who for what ever reason still feel unable to ask for help.. beyondblue.org.au

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ange7
awww this is the best thread ever .... nice one

Yo Ange7 nice to see you back, one of the intelligent posters:thumbs:
lol hey hi!... I like the Flight of the conchords reference. .. here's my fav http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=cUm3b2r9osg&feature=related
Yeah great thread supernoodles
.... my bro inlaw is bi polar and early on I made lots of mistakes like being condescending, patronising.... saying stuff like "one in four suffer from depression atleast at one point in there lives" or even worse " lots of great people of history were bipolar....". God makes me cringe just recalling all the times I put my foot in it hehe ..anyway his got a great network around him that support without getting in his face. Glad to see this brought up here at tibb... nice one ...lol and just when I'd given up on tibb ( till bb bb9 atleast hehe). Some years back a high profile politician here in Australia, Jeff Kennett, went public with his years of struggle with depression. That went a huge way in de-stigmatising it and the subsequent website he helped setup continues to help those who for what ever reason still feel unable to ask for help.. beyondblue.org.au

Shes so hot shes makin me sexist lol. Oh and Im always pointing out celebs with mental health problems lol

[Sunny_01]

Just look at Winston Churchill, he was bi-polar yet managed to lead this country during difficult times. It kind of highlights the internal struggles that those of us who suffer from mental health problems have to just get through a day sometimes, yet the great capacity we have to continue living and not only living but greatly contributing to society.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Just look at Winston Churchill, he was bi-polar yet managed to lead this country during difficult times. It kind of highlights the internal struggles that those of us who suffer from mental health problems have to just get through a day sometimes, yet the great capacity we have to continue living and not only living but greatly contributing to society.

yeh exactly It just shows that people with mental health problems are just people and some of them are great ones at that. A lot of people have wrong perceptions about mental health issues. which makes it harder for some to accept theyve got problems and get help, good god I know about that!

[Sticks]

Living with an autistic spectrum disorder I am more susceptible to depression, but I have never dared take medications as I'm too frightened of them and the reported side effects and the dependency they engender.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Living with an autistic spectrum disorder I am more susceptible to depression, but I have never dared take medications as I'm too frightened of them and the reported side effects and the dependency they engender.

Oh waaww! Sorry about that! Are there really bad side effects?

[Sticks]

I did not want to find out

The main one was addiction to the medication from what I heard, so I jst have to live with it.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sticks
I did not want to find out

The main one was addiction to the medication from what I heard, so I jst have to live with it.

Great news Sticks that was for old school ADs. You could ask now to use an SSRI which are all non addictive.

[Sticks]

I kind of got use to living in the negative world as I call it

I also noticed that the best comedy and creativity came from this part of the world.

[ange7]

My bro in law is barely human without his meds. There's nothing romantically creative about not being able to function.... none get use to that. When he would start up with paranoid conspiracy theories eg "they" are behind this or that or the goverenment have a secret agenda.... then I knew he was off his meds again. Thankfully that's in the past.

[~Kizwiz~]

I'm feeling very **** today :sad:

I can almost feel myself reaching for either the valium or alcohol..... but neither are very sensible

[Annie]

Whats wrong kiz?

[~Kizwiz~]

I dunno..... I get these days.... and I can put my finger on it.

But my body is starting to show the stress because my hair if falling out :bawling:

I've had to have it cut short because its getting thin and that makes me even more unhappy

[Annie]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
I dunno..... I get these days.... and I can put my finger on it.

But my body is starting to show the stress because my hair if falling out :bawling:

I've had to have it cut short because its getting thin and that makes me even more unhappy

Catch 22 there then :(

Sorry about your hair.. I pull my hair out when I get stressed.

Have you been to the doctors?

[ange7]

oh no ... my joke about 80% proof alcohol probably didn't help....:shocked: ... removes foot from mouth

[~Kizwiz~]

I've had blood tests a while back but that about 6 months after I had Lucy and thats normal.

But its gotten a lot worse recently.

[Annie]

Maybe you are bi polar?

[NettoSuperstar!]

dont start on the mothers ruin KiZ its a rocky road! I prescribe a dose of Peter Kay live in yer Jamas in bed with a hot water bottle

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Annie
Maybe you are bi polar?

LOL..... I was referred to my local mental health team, had a very intensive session with the Occupational therapist who then contacted me after speaking to her team who said that I was too prepared and didnt have any problems about discussing my 'issues' ( I was told to go prepared with a thought diary and to try and write down how I was feeling each day).

And from that one session she said that they couldnt help me because I didnt have BiPolar and that I have a Personality Disorder....pffs

I didnt even get my feet thro the door.

I'm now waiting to see a 'specialist' in Leicester and in the meantime I'm on some pretty heavy duty anti-d's that make my mood swings even worse.

Good days are brilliant...... and bad days are deeply crushing. There doesnt seem to be a middle ground :sad:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
dont start on the mothers ruin KiZ its a rocky road! I prescribe a dose of Peter Kay live in yer Jamas in bed with a hot water bottle

Ohh to stay in bed all day.... sadly thats not possible

[Annie]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
Originally posted by Annie
Maybe you are bi polar?

LOL..... I was referred to my local mental health team, had a very intensive session with the Occupational therapist who then contacted me after speaking to her team who said that I was too prepared and didnt have any problems about discussing my 'issues' ( I was told to go prepared with a thought diary and to try and write down how I was feeling each day).

And from that one session she said that they couldnt help me because I didnt have BiPolar and that I have a Personality Disorder....pffs

I didnt even get my feet thro the door.

I'm now waiting to see a 'specialist' in Leicester and in the meantime I'm on some pretty heavy duty anti-d's that make my mood swings even worse.

Good days are brilliant...... and bad days are deeply crushing. There doesnt seem to be a middle ground :sad:

A personality disorder? Oh dear. How did she figure that one out?

I know what you mean about being really up and then really down and having nothing in the middle. Its not a good feeling.

When do you see your specialist?

[~Kizwiz~]

I dont know...... My GP has written an referral and I'm in the system somewhere but as and when I get to see someone he cant tell me.

It could be weeks or months

I am really angry that she has slapped this label on me and shut the door.

Personality disorders are a load of rubbish.... its just a stigma which they can push onto you when they dont know what to do with you because your not ill enough in their eyes or pose a significant enough threat

as for how she figured it out....... she didnt say..........:bored:

[LemonJam]

Originally posted by circus
Admin deleted

You sir, are an idiot.

-----------------------------

On topic: A lot of these stories on here are very sad. I had an acquantance (Didn't know him too well, but talked to him sometimes) who took his own life, age 14. It was really hard to deal with because he was such a nice guy, so young and very talented.

Also alot of my friends used to say "Oh I'm depressed" as a fashion statement when it was over something ridiculous like "My mum didn't let me go out this Saturday" and I'd always have to try sympathize with them while I had enough on my own mind which was tonnes worse than their lame attempts at looking what they thought was "a cool thing to do."

I wish everyone here the best for the future. I've always looked up at my Grandfather, who has struggled with depression for many years and how he's slowly getting through it day by day.

Note: I think this is my first ever post in serious debates. :hugesmile:

[Nurse57]

Hey Kiz, I hope you are feeling ok today.

I just had my pill dose doubled this morning. May have to go through the dizzy **** again.

[Nurse57]

Oh, LemonJam. Welcome to the serious forum. we rock in here. Even if we are all mental.

[ParentalAdvisory]

Originally posted by Z
A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad.

That story breaks my heart. I can't imagine leaving my children. She must have been in a really dark place to do that. Fortunately I've never felt suicidal, no matter how bad things got. Hopefully I never will.

*hugs* to everyone in this thread going through stuff. I understand how hard it is and hope you all find your way.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ParentalAdvisory
Originally posted by Z
A woman who lived across the road from me committed suicide last year, she'd locked her front door so that her little boy wouldn't come home and find her dead body, but the poor thing had been sitting outside the house for hours (we'd walked past him and everything, and had been considering inviting him into our house because obviously he wouldn't have a mobile phone to phone his dad etc.) and then a neighbour called for the police to see if they could find out what was going on... Very sad.

That story breaks my heart. I can't imagine leaving my children. She must have been in a really dark place to do that. Fortunately I've never felt suicidal, no matter how bad things got. Hopefully I never will.

*hugs* to everyone in this thread going through stuff. I understand how hard it is and hope you all find your way.

wow why did Parental get banned i thought they was a laugh?

[NettoSuperstar!]

I originally came to say hope yous all have a Happy Christmas in ere! X

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
Originally posted by Annie
Maybe you are bi polar?

LOL..... I was referred to my local mental health team, had a very intensive session with the Occupational therapist who then contacted me after speaking to her team who said that I was too prepared and didnt have any problems about discussing my 'issues' ( I was told to go prepared with a thought diary and to try and write down how I was feeling each day).

And from that one session she said that they couldnt help me because I didnt have BiPolar and that I have a Personality Disorder....pffs

I didnt even get my feet thro the door.

I'm now waiting to see a 'specialist' in Leicester and in the meantime I'm on some pretty heavy duty anti-d's that make my mood swings even worse.

Good days are brilliant...... and bad days are deeply crushing. There doesnt seem to be a middle ground :sad:

not seen you for a while KiZ either hope your ok mate X