Taking a life?

[Scarlett.]

Since this is a hot topic on the forums at the moment.....

Would you ever take a life? If so why?


I have to say, the only times I would ever kill, is in self defense or in revenge, I would never be able to murder any one in cold blood, or by planned murder

[Locke.]

It really depends on the situation. If my life (or my familys) was at risk then yeah I definitely would- if the person was trying to kill me that is. Or if they were trying to rape me or something.

And If I was a soldier or policeman ect, then yeah I would if I had to, because it would be my job.

[Sam!]

If it was in self offence, as in they were trying to kill me or someone I loved then of course. Not just go out there to murder to get what you want like someone on this forum.

[AngRemembered]

There would never be a good reason to take the life of another innocent life, cept to save others from certain death.

Even then, I still think I'd miss the perfect moment to strike leaving the descision to late to save anyone in order not to have the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.

[Tom4784]

I think that nobody ever has the right to take a life UNLESS they are in mortal danger themselves and are defending themselves.

I personally don't think I could kill ANYONE pre-meditated or defense I just couldn't do it.

[Spike]

Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it


OMG thats freaky dude!

[30stone]

I agree with David.

Some one Was trying or did kill my family or myself then yeh.

and obviously police and armed forces have to.

[*mazedsalv**]

Only in self defence, if someone was coming towards me or my family with weapons, i would throw everything to get them away (which would injure them).

Or if I had to in war.
But me, i hate fights and violence, so im not sure, i guess you dont really know what you would end up doing if you were in that situation with someone trying to attack/kill you.

Then there is my nightmare/phobia, because I sleep walk sometimes (but rarely now), I have a phobia if I might do something in my sleep. Just like the boy that killed his parents in his sleep... that would be the most horrific thing ever.... and you cant help what you do.

[Ross]

Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

[Ninastar]

Only if...


I was about to get shot and it was for self defence.
Not for anything else

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it

exactly what is an "extreme condition" to murder someone?

oh and murder is a pre-meditated and intentional killing of another person.
and if your still able to justify that, why would you be bothered whether you could "get away with it or not"?

[30stone]

Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.
Aye I agree there, I never want to take away anyones life, thats why I would never become a soldier, cause, that one soldier on the other side you kill, he has a mum, a dad, brothers, sisters, possibly children, memories, they love, they feel, and most of all, they are human

[Matt08]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

[hannah.]

Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it

do you wanna learn your ****ing lesson or not?

[Locke.]

Can we please keep this on topic and not turn it into another discussion about what Spike said, thank you.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Angiebabe
the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.
Aye I agree there, I never want to take away anyones life, thats why I would never become a soldier, cause, that one soldier on the other side you kill, he has a mum, a dad, brothers, sisters, possibly children, memories, they love, they feel, and most of all, they are human

I agree, i just could never be a soldier because i would never be able to face the fact that I had killed someone.

[Captain.Remy]

If anyone is hurting one of my children, I would.

However, I think saying it is way easier than doing it. Killing someone is just so big to live with.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it

OMG. You are weird.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

Sure he wasnt joking?

[Callum]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

Sure he wasnt joking?

No he was serious, that's how twisted he is.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : 30stone
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

Sure he wasnt joking?

No he wasn't. He sais he would do it depending the gain he would get. That's sick. Period.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : 30stone
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

Sure he wasnt joking?

No he wasn't. He sais he would do it depending the gain he would get. That's sick. Period.

My brother comes home sometimes said i killed "x" amount of people today took their wallets to.

its wierd but he says it coz its gets a good reaction lol he was only joking.

id like spike to say weather he was joking or not, not have people answer for him, and if he has and your telling me he said hes not joking them im wrong. and sorry.

[Locke.]

Keep in mind people that he didn't actually kill or rape anyone. And he did say that he would only do it if he was getting billions for it, and nobody is ever going to pay an in-experienced person a lot of money to murder someone, they'd hire a professional hitman. So no need to worry about Spike murdering or raping somoene.

[Loukas]

Never say never. Well i wouldn't nomally say never but yeah NEVER

[xDramatick]

Kill someone in self-defence?
Only if my life, my boyfriend's, certain members of my family's, or my friends' lives were in danger.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : 30stone
Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Spike
Yes but in extreme conditions and depending if I could get away with it
Honestly. You are the sickest person I have ever come across.

An Extreme condition could be self defence from someone trying to kill him, dont jump to conclusions.

He wants to rape and murder people for lots of money, read the other thread about it.

Sure he wasnt joking?

No he wasn't. He sais he would do it depending the gain he would get. That's sick. Period.

My brother comes home sometimes said i killed "x" amount of people today took their wallets to.

its wierd but he says it coz its gets a good reaction lol he was only joking.

id like spike to say weather he was joking or not, not have people answer for him, and if he has and your telling me he said hes not joking them Im wrong. and sorry.

I dont think he was joking.
But anyway, lets get back to the actual topic, I dont want any of the other forum members to get banned for answering back to Spike's posts....

[AngRemembered]

Killing someone in self defence is not murder.

[James]

The situation people have described here where they would take a life in self-defence or to protect their family aren't legally murder as the law recognises those (if I am correct).

The thread title should really be changed to something like 'Take a life' because we can't have threads about anything illegal.

For that reason some posts should be deleted from this thread too...

[Scarlett.]

Ok I'll change it

[pinkmichk]

nope i couldnt take a life say for example someone was coming towards me and my daughter with a knife i would put myself in front of her but i dont think i could even strike out in defense cos not sure i could live with that for the rest of my life

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
nope i couldnt take a life say for example someone was coming towards me and my daughter with a knife i would put myself in front of her but i dont think i could even strike out in defense cos not sure i could live with that for the rest of my life

perfect, of all the hyperthetical scenario's that were an ACTUAL option, this for me too would be the one I'd probably do most naturally, spontaneously at the very last second.

A great post pinkmichk:kiss::thumbs:

[Tom]

I feel guilty when I have to kill slugs in the garden, so I'd have no chance killing a person :laugh2:

[NettoSuperstar!]

If someone was coming for my kids or me with a knife I'd do whatever I could to stop them. I think I would go a bit mental if I did kill someone though. Murder no way not for any amount of money, anyone who thinks they would is ill

[ange7]

You all pretty much agree with each other. Lets make it a little tougher...
Here's a hypothetical moral/ethics dilemma.

Imagine your a biology professor and botanist at some uni. Your in a South American jungle collecting plants etc and your in an area where a civil war is raging. A ruthless dictator is using the army to round up and kill political opponents everywhere. You enter a small town and see that the commander of a small bunch of government troops has rounded up all the suspected freedom fighters in the village. In front of a firing squad all 30 are about to die but the commander sees you and calls you over.

Amazingly he recognises you, he once studied biology and was once a student of yours. In honour of you and on your pleading he decides to let all 30 go free.... provided you kill one of them. What do you do? If you do nothing all 30 will die... if you kill one of them in cold blood then the other 29 live. To complicate things the 30 men over hear the conversation and one of them, an 80 year old man, ask you to please pick him so that the rest of his family and friends might live.

So A.
do nothing, be passive and know that your hands are clean. You didn't kill those 30 people. They were going to be killed regardless.
Or B
actively save 29 innocent people by taking the life of the old man. Act and make a difference..but have his blood on your hands.

[NettoSuperstar!]

b

[NettoSuperstar!]

No wait C Id kill the ruthless dictator what am I thinking

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
No wait C Id kill the ruthless dictator what am I thinking

Same

But out of the options you gave it would be B, only because I'd rather live with the guilt of killing 1 person than being responsible for 30 people. But its not really a choice because if you dont people will die anyway, so either way death is involved.

[Billy]

yes it's called a friday night.









































im actually joking btw, im not billy the ripper

[lily.]

I would actively seek out and kill someone who had taken my children's lives. If someone took my kids' lives, I'd dedicate my life to taking theirs.

And, yes, it would be pre-meditated, and yes, I'd hand myself in to the police afterwards.

When I read the awful stories about fathers who murder their kids then fail to commit suicide, I wonder how the mother manages to carry on. I'd make it my mission in life to find him and kill him slowly.

Does that make me a sociopath? lol

[Lauren]

If someone murdered either of my parents, brothers, or boyfriend - then I would kill them, yes. I'd also hand myself in, because I'm not hiding from justice prevailing.

Edit: Just read Stroppy's post haha, too similar.

[lily.]

Scary!

*hums twilight zone theme tune* haha

[Chemicle]

I think if someone had killed someone really close to me, i would dedicate myself to taking their life too, i wouldn't stop until they were dead, then i would probably kill myself because i'd probably go insane knowing i had killed someone.

[Tom]

Would you not rather see someone who killed someone close to you suffer? Death is the easy way out IMO

[lily.]

Depends on how you kill them.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tom
Would you not rather see someone who killed someone close to you suffer? Death is the easy way out IMO

I thought explaining how I'd kill them and the duration would be a bit too explicit for the forum LOL.

Edit: Again, Linda... nearly the same!

[lily.]

Ok, now I'm scared. Do you think the world is ready for us Lauren? lol

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Stroppy
Ok, now I'm scared. Do you think the world is ready for us Lauren? lol

I have a feeling they're not :laugh: We've managed to duplicate each others thoughts in a pretty twisted way.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Tom
Would you not rather see someone who killed someone close to you suffer? Death is the easy way out IMO

I thought explaining how I'd kill them and the duration would be a bit too explicit for the forum LOL.

Edit: Again, Linda... nearly the same!

Oh good, if you're killing them in a sadistic way then I'd be all for it :joker:

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
No wait C Id kill the ruthless dictator what am I thinking

Same

But out of the options you gave it would be B, only because I'd rather live with the guilt of killing 1 person than being responsible for 30 people. But its not really a choice because if you dont people will die anyway, so either way death is involved.

Yeah Tom I would go for option B too but there's no right answer ... it's just a test to see at what point you would kill in cold blood.
Your right...either way people die yes but it is still a hard choice In option B you actively choose to directly take a human life in cold blood where as in option A your hands are clean but your indirectly responsible for the deaths of 30. So to answer it you need to weigh up the moral repulsion of taking a single person's life versus the "greater good" that would come as a consequence ie 20 get to live.
Oh and lol Netto.. option C would be shoot the commander!

[lily.]

I think I'd take option A.

I couldn't kill an innocent, even if it were to save the rest.

On the other hand..

See, that's a difficult one ange

[Lauren]

Ange, I'd take option A but it wouldn't be an easy choice - and there's a chance that if I was in that situation I might change my mind.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Lauren
Ange, I'd take option A but it wouldn't be an easy choice - and there's a chance that if I was in that situation I might change my mind.
Yeah I think buddhists, devout christens, peolpe with VERY strong and uncompromisable moral code would go for option A. Despite option B having a far better outcome for all, and despite the old man pleading with them to kill him so his family can live, option A people would feel the culpability and directness of their action more.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Lauren
Ange, I'd take option A but it wouldn't be an easy choice - and there's a chance that if I was in that situation I might change my mind.
Yeah I think buddhists, devout christens, peolpe with VERY strong and uncompromisable moral code would go for option A. Despite option B having a far better outcome for all, and despite the old man pleading with them to kill him so his family can live, option A people would feel the culpability and directness of their action more.

Out of interest what would you go for?

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Lauren
Ange, I'd take option A but it wouldn't be an easy choice - and there's a chance that if I was in that situation I might change my mind.
Yeah I think buddhists, devout christens, peolpe with VERY strong and uncompromisable moral code would go for option A. Despite option B having a far better outcome for all, and despite the old man pleading with them to kill him so his family can live, option A people would feel the culpability and directness of their action more.

Out of interest what would you go for?
like I said I would go for option B too but there's no right answer. It's just a logic problem that points to whether a person is more idealistic( option a) ie with high unbending ideals
....or pragmatic (option b) somebody who will compromise for the best result and is willing to be more flexible with their ethics and ideals.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
No wait C Id kill the ruthless dictator what am I thinking

Same

But out of the options you gave it would be B, only because I'd rather live with the guilt of killing 1 person than being responsible for 30 people. But its not really a choice because if you dont people will die anyway, so either way death is involved.

Yeah Tom I would go for option B too but there's no right answer ... it's just a test to see at what point you would kill in cold blood.
Your right...either way people die yes but it is still a hard choice In option B you actively choose to directly take a human life in cold blood where as in option A your hands are clean but your indirectly responsible for the deaths of 30. So to answer it you need to weigh up the moral repulsion of taking a single person's life versus the "greater good" that would come as a consequence ie 20 get to live.
Oh and lol Netto.. option C would be shoot the commander!

Oh hell It could only work if I get the ruthless dictator, never mind B then. Unless I could tempt him with some rare plant species in return for all 30

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dark&Twisty
I would actively seek out and kill someone who had taken my children's lives. If someone took my kids' lives, I'd dedicate my life to taking theirs.

And, yes, it would be pre-meditated, and yes, I'd hand myself in to the police afterwards.

When I read the awful stories about fathers who murder their kids then fail to commit suicide, I wonder how the mother manages to carry on. I'd make it my mission in life to find him and kill him slowly.

Does that make me a sociopath? lol

Just read that and have to say I feel exactly the same, I know I would make it my lifes work to find someone who killed one of my children, they would never enjoy life again if my kids couldnt.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
There would never be a good reason to take the life of another innocent life, cept to save others from certain death.

Even then, I still think I'd miss the perfect moment to strike leaving the descision to late to save anyone in order not to have the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.

So if you had the chance to kill Hitler before he went on his murderous crusade (assuming you knew what he would have done in history) Would you not have killed him to save the lives of millions!!!!!!Just wondering!!!!!!!

[AngRemembered]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Angiebabe
There would never be a good reason to take the life of another innocent life, cept to save others from certain death.

Even then, I still think I'd miss the perfect moment to strike leaving the descision to late to save anyone in order not to have the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.

So if you had the chance to kill Hitler before he went on his murderous crusade (assuming you knew what he would have done in history) Would you not have killed him to save the lives of millions!!!!!!Just wondering!!!!!!!


The clue here is "INNOCENT LIFE"
so your question is easy (given the bonus insight to his future)
I'd have shot the bas*ard before he could stretch his arm out:wink:

[bananarama]

If you or family or anyones life is going to be lost at the hands of a cold blooded killer the only right and respectible thing to do is to save inoccent life by taking the life of a pointlesss killer......It's a no brainer.......Never allow evil to win over good if you have the capability to prevent such.....

In such circumstances there would be no need for guilt feeling......

As a society we cause the death of sick and inoccent people by turning away expensive treatments because we gobble up finite finacial rescources on criminals that contribute nothing but bedlam to society......Is that a moral decision. I don't think so.......

[MR.K!]

Originally posted by Chewy
Since this is a hot topic on the forums at the moment.....

Would you ever take a life? If so why?


I have to say, the only times I would ever kill, is in self defense or in revenge, I would never be able to murder any one in cold blood, or by planned murder

i think it depends. I would never intentionaly murder anybody, obviously, but if a close friend (etc) was suffering from a long illness and WANTED to die then i believe i would want to help them, the problem is that euthanasia is illegal in britain, so i would at least have to consider it before i made a decision.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Angiebabe
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Angiebabe
There would never be a good reason to take the life of another innocent life, cept to save others from certain death.

Even then, I still think I'd miss the perfect moment to strike leaving the descision to late to save anyone in order not to have the burden of killing someone on my conscious forever.

So if you had the chance to kill Hitler before he went on his murderous crusade (assuming you knew what he would have done in history) Would you not have killed him to save the lives of millions!!!!!!Just wondering!!!!!!!


The clue here is "INNOCENT LIFE"
so your question is easy (given the bonus insight to his future)
I'd have shot the bas*ard before he could stretch his arm out:wink:


That's better but you would have to have beaten me to it......:bigsmile: