CHAV

[WATERS]

Right.. everybody keeps calling me a chav and its starting annoy me now..
I AM NOT A CHAV.. i dont like rap music, i despise all that dj music stuff, i dont go round in black trakies acting hard..
i listen to indie music the same stuf you all probably listen to i dont go out on the streets only pubs, clubs + houses, i wear normal clothes like jeans and stuff so just..
DONT CALL ME A CHAV :mad:
ANYTHING BUT CHAV!!!

[30stone]

Okay (=

Who called you a chav anyway? i didnt notice?

[Novo]

probbaly markus ..

[hannah.]

I dont get why you were called a chav for assuming that its common sense that coolio isnt a real name haha

[Billy]

Am I a chav cos I wear trackies :blush2:

[WATERS]

Lots of people been calling me chav

[Locke.]

Yeah, he's not.

[Christina]

I dont think alot of people get the meaning of 'chav' ... and even if you were one [which youre not] then you shouldnt be judged anyway.

[WATERS]

I don't even know where they got it from :conf:

[Christina]

Originally posted by WATERS
I don't even know where they got it from :conf: Lol same. Unless you were posting like this:

'I iz da best init?'

Then they have no excuse :thumbs:

[WATERS]

Originally posted by Christina
Originally posted by WATERS
I don't even know where they got it from :conf: Lol same. Unless you were posting like this:

'I iz da best init?'

Then they have no excuse :thumbs:
Ha nooo, i hate people who talk like that :laugh:

[Stu]

Originally posted by WATERS
Right.. everybody keeps calling me a chav and its starting annoy me now..
I AM NOT A CHAV.. i dont like rap music, i despise all that dj music stuff, i dont go round in black trakies acting hard..
i listen to indie music the same stuf you all probably listen to i dont go out on the streets only pubs, clubs + houses, i wear normal clothes like jeans and stuff so just..
DONT CALL ME A CHAV :mad:
ANYTHING BUT CHAV!!!
You dont like being called Chav but by your definition because I love Rap and Techno [as long as it is not squeaky, bedroom DJ'ing] I am a Chav?

[AyeAye_xO]

Originally posted by Billy
Am I a chav cos I wear trackies :blush2:

no. anyone can wear trackies.
chavs r ment to be going around in the streets with buckfast smashing windows n things but thats just a stereotype.
i know alot of chavs n none of them act like that:S. anyone can smash a window so does that make everyone chavs?

[AlexBigBrother]

i wear trakkies, go to pubs and stuff and i wouldnt call myself a chav, dont wear trakkies when i go out
x

[SiaSiaSia]

u iz not a chav? gaaaaw mayt -ekzitz payg-

[Z]

I don't think there's any real definition of a "chav" to be honest, my general rule is that if I'm walking past someone or a group of two or three people, and they look threatening enough that I feel the need to cross the road because of the way they are walking, the way they dress or that they're carrying alcohol on them in the street - they're probably a chav. Obviously with a large group of people you tend to feel intimidated anyway, regardless of who's actually in the large group.

[M X]

Urgh. I hate chavs [not saying your one]. The world would be a better place if we lined them all up & shot them. :dazzler:

[AyeAye_xO]

Originally posted by TheMichaelO
Urgh. I hate chavs [not saying your one]. The world would be a better place if we lined them all up & shot them. :dazzler:

i feel the same way. but only about emos :L they make me sick:|

[GhettoSuperstar]

Der iz nuttin wrong wif bein a chav innit. :thumbs2:

[30stone]

Originally posted by AyeAye_xO
Originally posted by TheMichaelO
Urgh. I hate chavs [not saying your one]. The world would be a better place if we lined them all up & shot them. :dazzler:

i feel the same way. but only about emos :L they make me sick:|

Same i used to have a lot of chav firends not any anymore though everyone has grown up a lot and dresses just looking good whereas emos are pretty much the same ones i know.. still dress so the guy have male camel toe and that...

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by .Andy.
probbaly markus ..

Yeah I did call him one but I definitely am not the first one to do so! :rolleyes:

[30stone]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by .Andy.
probbaly markus ..

Yeah I did call him one but I definitely am not the first one to do so! :rolleyes:

why did you?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by .Andy.
probbaly markus ..

Yeah I did call him one but I definitely am not the first one to do so! :rolleyes:

why did you?

It was in an argument a few weeks ago with Damon. He was using text speech galore and was insulting Damon for liking Britney...(if I remember right) Loadsss of people were using 'chav' against him (probably because his avatar was a picture of a group of people wearing hoddies and huddled up by a wall) and it caught on.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by .Andy.
probbaly markus ..

Yeah I did call him one but I definitely am not the first one to do so! :rolleyes:

why did you?

It was in an argument a few weeks ago with Damon. He was using text speech galore and was insulting Damon for liking Britney...(if I remember right) Loadsss of people were using 'chav' against him (probably because his avatar was a picture of a group of people wearing hoddies and huddled up by a wall) and it caught on.

ahh ok, by the way i was just asking because i havent like seen him before.

[MarkWaldorf]

It's fine lol Using 'chav' against someone for no reason is pretty weird and there was definitely reasons for doing so

[30stone]

Originally posted by Markus
It's fine lol Using 'chav' against someone for no reason is pretty weird and there was definitely reasons for doing so

Lol yeh i wouldnt care being called a chav not really too bad.

[Sam!]

I hate chavs lol. But why would you go out in trackies anyway. They're for in the housee and stuff. Unless they're nice ones like A&F or JackWills or sumin.

[Tom]

I hate the word chav, it doesn't even mean anything anymore and most of the people who use it don't even know what it means. people just use it to talk about something/someone they don't like because they think they're above people

I still live in the 90's so say scally instead, at least people actually know what I mean :tongue:

[30stone]

Originally posted by Scampi
I hate chavs lol. But why would you go out in trackies anyway. They're for in the housee and stuff. Unless they're nice ones like A&F or JackWills or sumin.

I used to wear them at work / college coz i done bricklaying so jeans were easier to wear and cooler than jeans in the summer.

also going to the gym 5 days a week. so if i am going out for like 20 mins i wont change any longer i will. but dont mind wearing them just think why not..


I hate skinny jeans dont unerstand why guys would wear them.


ohh i mean just tracksuit bottoms btw not the full tracksuit.

[MarkWaldorf]

I hate the way word 'scally' it sounds sooo common? It really dehumanises someone imo :hugesmile:

"lads" is another word that gets me. What's wrong with saying boys?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Markus
I hate the way word 'scally' it sounds sooo common? It really dehumanises someone imo :hugesmile:

"lads" is another word that gets me. What's wrong with saying boys?

LOL you've just shot me down ... twice.

They're not human anyway so it doesn't matter if they're dehumanised :bigsmile:

Boys sounds too kiddish, men sounds too grown up, so lads is the only alternative :blush2:

[30stone]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Markus
I hate the way word 'scally' it sounds sooo common? It really dehumanises someone imo :hugesmile:

"lads" is another word that gets me. What's wrong with saying boys?

LOL you've just shot me down ... twice.

They're not human anyway so it doesn't matter if they're dehumanised :bigsmile:

Boys sounds too kiddish, men sounds too grown up, so lads is the only alternative :blush2:

Last bit was exactly what i was going to say almost word for word lol.

[MarkWaldorf]

LOL Tom I realised that after I posted it! :laugh: But yeah I guess thats a fair point. No one really uses it in London apart from older men (my headteacher, arghh) and boys who are close to male friends.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Billy
Am I a chav cos I wear trackies :blush2:

Naw, you are a ned, the same as me.. haha

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
I hate the word chav, it doesn't even mean anything anymore and most of the people who use it don't even know what it means. people just use it to talk about something/someone they don't like because they think they're above people

I still live in the 90's so say scally instead, at least people actually know what I mean :tongue:

Weren't you a small child in the 90s?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Markus
LOL Tom I realised that after I posted it! :laugh: But yeah I guess thats a fair point. No one really uses it in London apart from older men (my headteacher, arghh) and boys who are close to male friends.

The last one sums up why I say it then :tongue:

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Tom
I hate the word chav, it doesn't even mean anything anymore and most of the people who use it don't even know what it means. people just use it to talk about something/someone they don't like because they think they're above people

I still live in the 90's so say scally instead, at least people actually know what I mean :tongue:

Weren't you a small child in the 90s?

Yes, but I could also speak English

[lily.]

No **** sherlock.

[Tom]

Well what was the point in asking then? Just because you're young doesn't mean you're completely inept and unaware of whats going on :puzzled:

[lily.]

I just find it odd that you "still live in the 90s". It's the sort of thing someone twice your age might say.

[Tom]

It was a joke. of course I don't, I just prefer to say scally over chav and scally is a very 90s word.

[lily.]

You realise I think you are older than you say you are, don't you?

[WATERS]

Originally posted by Markus
It's fine lol Using 'chav' against someone for no reason is pretty weird and there was definitely reasons for doing so

When that picture was took we had to be dressed up like that because it was on a trip on my pre uniformed service course and we were told to dress warm because we was in rock n river

[Tom]

LOL thats up to you but you couldn't be further from the truth

Things do make more sense though now Linda- thanks for that

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by WATERS
Originally posted by Markus
It's fine lol Using 'chav' against someone for no reason is pretty weird and there was definitely reasons for doing so

When that picture was took we had to be dressed up like that because it was on a trip on my pre uniformed service course and we were told to dress warm because we was in rock n river

Yes because people can see the story behind a picture :rolleyes:

[WATERS]

Originally posted by Markus
Originally posted by WATERS
Originally posted by Markus
It's fine lol Using 'chav' against someone for no reason is pretty weird and there was definitely reasons for doing so

When that picture was took we had to be dressed up like that because it was on a trip on my pre uniformed service course and we were told to dress warm because we was in rock n river

Yes because people can see the story behind a picture :rolleyes:

Every picture tells a story

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
LOL thats up to you but you couldn't be further from the truth

Things do make more sense though now Linda- thanks for that

It's not some huge conspiracy theory. I just reckon you aren't who you say you are...

If I'm wrong, fair enough, but yanno, I just figured I'd put it out there, then ye know what I really think instead of hearing it second hand from others with their own elaborate exaggeration added on for good measure.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Tom
LOL thats up to you but you couldn't be further from the truth

Things do make more sense though now Linda- thanks for that

It's not some huge conspiracy theory. I just reckon you aren't who you say you are...

If I'm wrong, fair enough, but yanno, I just figured I'd put it out there, then ye know what I really think instead of hearing it second hand from others with their own elaborate exaggeration added on for good measure.

Yep, wrong, but it definitely explains a couple of others lately :spin2:

Just take people at face value, thats what I do. I've got my doubts over loads of people on here. If you've got them over me then fair enough, but I know I'm real so I'm not going to attempt to justify myself or prove myself, its pointless.

[lily.]

I do take people at face value.. to a point.. yanno, I don't care if people are real or aren't.. in the sense that I'm never going to interact with them in my actual life..

But, when I think someone isn't who or what they say they are, or that stuff doesn't add up, I suppose I'd rather just say it .. cuz I'm kinda like that... I'm mouthy.. and if I think something I tend to say it.. which is what got me banned in the first place.. however, I can't change who I am..

And, I also know that TiBB is notorious for "chinese whispers" so the fact that I've said it about you means that it would inevitably make it's way back to you.. I know a lot of people on here have you on MSN etc, and would love the chance to go running to you telling you that I think yer fake, so this way they don't get that pleasure.. cuz I'm sayin it to you..

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Christina
I dont think alot of people get the meaning of 'chav' ... and even if you were one [which youre not] then you shouldnt be judged anyway.

Christina, i totally agree. Because we are from london i think we see chavs as something different...? Anyone who litterally trying to act something they are not. For Example.. A white 'begga gangsta' :rolleyes: will be a chav.

[Tom]

Thats it you see- MSN, where I've got a few people. Who in their right mind would honestly fake an MSN account unless you've got too much time on your hands? I don't care if things don't add up tbh, and if people are going around looking for things which add up and playing detective to try and prove someone as fake then it says more about them tbh.

I know who you're on about anyway, but tbh nothing really came about until you joined up, and I didn't take so kindly to you. Anyone would think someone was planting something in peoples heads about people who aren't up a certain someones arse like half the forum :whistle:

A lot of things changed when you was allowed back, and not for the better either. And I'm not alone in that thought, although no doubt almost everyone will back you up anyway because OMGURTHISPROPERLEGENDARYMEMBARNTUTHTEVRY1LUVZ. So I just thought I'd return the favour and say something quite a lot of people are screaming to say :spin2:

[Christina]

Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Originally posted by Christina
I dont think alot of people get the meaning of 'chav' ... and even if you were one [which youre not] then you shouldnt be judged anyway.

Christina, i totally agree. Because we are from london i think we see chavs as something different...? Anyone who litterally trying to act something they are not. For Example.. A white 'begga gangsta' :rolleyes: will be a chav. Yep totally. I think people that arent actually surrounded by people like them wont really understand. They see chavs as 'Vicky Pollards'. LOL. Ahh sterotyping is awful nowadays LOL :laugh: For all i know.. i could even be a chav LOL. I have friends who use slang and wear tracksuits all the time. And just becaue someone listens to rap/r and b/hip hop DOES NOT make them a chav..thats actually my fave music genre.. i dont class myself as a chav? Its just people being sterotypical!!

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
Thats it you see- MSN, where I've got a few people. Who in their right mind would honestly fake an MSN account unless you've got too much time on your hands? I don't care if things don't add up tbh, and if people are going around looking for things which add up and playing detective to try and prove someone as fake then it says more about them tbh.

I know who you're on about anyway, but tbh nothing really came about until you joined up, and I didn't take so kindly to you. Anyone would think someone was planting something in peoples heads about people who aren't up a certain someones **** like half the forum :whistle:

A lot of things changed when you was allowed back, and not for the better either. And I'm not alone in that thought, although no doubt almost everyone will back you up anyway because OMGURTHISPROPERLEGENDARYMEMBARNTUTHTEVRY1LUVZ. So I just thought I'd return the favour and say something quite a lot of people are screaming to say :spin2:

I hate to tell you this Tom, but if you think I wasn't aware of the members who didn't want me back, you are sadly mistaken. I am well aware that there are many people pissed off at my return. I am mostly aware of who exactly these people are. Some have the decency to just avoid me, while others pretend to like me when they clearly don't. I have more respect for the former.

I'm surprised things have changed since I came back though. I wasn't aware I influenced the forum dynamic quite so much. That's really sad.

[WATERS]

I dont know either of you :shocked:

[Tom]

There are a lot who pretend to like you when clearly they don't, just jumping on the "legendary member" bandwagon.

And yes, you do affect the forum dynamics, sad but true. You've caused a lot of divides, and especially with the things you have 'allegedly' been getting into peoples heads :whistle:

Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if you were just as fake as the many accounts you made whilst you were banned in pathetic attempts to get back into the forum. I mean what "woman in their mid-30's" would be so childish and do that, whilst being friends with a lot of people under the age of 20? Either you're weird, youre fake, or you have too much time on your hands. The choice is yours.

[30stone]

My dad lived in a caravan til he was 9/10/11 im unsure, was he a chav.. lol..

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
There are a lot who pretend to like you when clearly they don't, just jumping on the "legendary member" bandwagon.

And yes, you do affect the forum dynamics, sad but true. You've caused a lot of divides, and especially with the things you have 'allegedly' been getting into peoples heads :whistle:

Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if you were just as fake as the many accounts you made whilst you were banned in pathetic attempts to get back into the forum. I mean what "woman in their mid-30's" would be so childish and do that, whilst being friends with a lot of people under the age of 20? Either you're weird, youre fake, or you have too much time on your hands. The choice is yours.

I choose "weird" thanks.

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your friends.

[Tom]

I don't have "friends" on the forum. If anyone does then they need to get out more. There are people I like and people I speak to, I wouldn't call them friends though.

[lily.]

That's nice of you. I'm sure they're happy you said that since a lot of people have said to me "Tom is my friend". So now they know how you feel about them.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
That's nice of you. I'm sure they're happy you said that since a lot of people have said to me "Tom is my friend". So now they know how you feel about them.

They already know, I've told them :thumbs:

Online friend sounds about right.

[lily.]

In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.

[Annie]

Ahh reasons to love TiBB :rolleyes:

[Loukas]

Originally posted by Christina
Originally posted by DoubleTrouble
Originally posted by Christina
I dont think alot of people get the meaning of 'chav' ... and even if you were one [which youre not] then you shouldnt be judged anyway.

Christina, i totally agree. Because we are from london i think we see chavs as something different...? Anyone who litterally trying to act something they are not. For Example.. A white 'begga gangsta' :rolleyes: will be a chav. Yep totally. I think people that arent actually surrounded by people like them wont really understand. They see chavs as 'Vicky Pollards'. LOL. Ahh sterotyping is awful nowadays LOL :laugh: For all i know.. i could even be a chav LOL. I have friends who use slang and wear tracksuits all the time. And just becaue someone listens to rap/r and b/hip hop DOES NOT make them a chav..thats actually my fave music genre.. i dont class myself as a chav? Its just people being sterotypical!!

EXACTLY!!!

High 5 Me Sister! :kiss:

But yeah i totally agree!!! :love: And it's totally true.

[lily.]

haha.. gotta love it Annie... I say what I think.. people don't have to wonder cuz I'll just tell them lol

[lily.]

Anyway, while Tom speaks on behalf of the TiBB members who don't have the kahunas to come and tell me they'd rather I remained banned, I have to go get something to eat.

It's been a pleasure Tom. :xyxwave:

[Annie]

Originally posted by Linda
haha.. gotta love it Annie... I say what I think.. people don't have to wonder cuz I'll just tell them lol

*doesnt even want to ask*

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
Anyway, while Tom speaks on behalf of the TiBB members who don't have the kahunas to come and tell me they'd rather I remained banned, I have to go get something to eat.

It's been a pleasure Tom. :xyxwave:

Just as you have to speak on behalf of those who don't have the balls to say anything to me eh :rolleyes:

[Z]

Originally posted by Linda
In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.



I wish I knew where I stood with the majority of people on this forum...

[30stone]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Linda
In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.



I wish I knew where I stood with the majority of people on this forum...

yer same...

[Tom]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Linda
In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.



I wish I knew where I stood with the majority of people on this forum...

yer same...

I think most people like you two, well I've never seen anything bad written about either of you anyway :tongue:

[Annie]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Linda
In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.



I wish I knew where I stood with the majority of people on this forum...

yer same...

Ditto

[Z]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Linda
In which case I'll amend my statement as follows:

I love yer honesty. I like that I know exactly where I stand with you and your online friends.



I wish I knew where I stood with the majority of people on this forum...

yer same...

I think most people like you two, well I've never seen anything bad written about either of you anyway :tongue:

I know of one member who doesn't like me, but that's good to know :hugesmile:.

[Tom]

Oh I get all this about being fake LOL

Ages ago she searched my email address in Facebook and a profile comes up for me but my birthday is wrong and it says I joined the Portsmouth network ...

LOL how sad that you could probably base something around that

[Annie]

I've seen Tom on webcam. I dont think he is fake... :wink:

[Ross]

Originally posted by Annie
I've seen Tom on webcam. I dont think he is fake... :wink:
That you are lieing about. I know for sure.

Also, Tom - it doesn't take a genius to realise that you were obviously hinting it's me as "the other person" or one of the other "members" because of our little feud the other day. Like I have said to you before, like I was "man" enough to say to you. If you have a problem with me, please tell me. Not talk about me whilst I'm offline so I can't defend myself.

I'm not gonna argue about it on here or MSN, but if ye wanna chat then you got my MSN and know where I am.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Ross

That you are lieing about. I know for sure.

Really? What do you base that on, that I've not been on to you? I did once, for literally 2 minutes. I wasn't at home (where I actually don't have one which is why I haven't been on to anyone else) and noone else from TiBB was online, otherwise I would have.

Also, Tom - it doesn't take a genius to realise that you were obviously hinting it's me as "the other person" or one of the other "members" because of our little feud the other day. Like I have said to you before, like I was "man" enough to say to you. If you have a problem with me, please tell me. Not talk about me whilst I'm offline so I can't defend myself.

I'm not going to argue about it on here or MSN, but if ye want to chat then you got my MSN and know where I am.

Yeah but everything was said I thought, I don't have a problem with you now, you've been quite OK to me since that. But its not just you ... but I will be honest and say you did change when Linda came back.

Its quite obvious whats going on here, its just a shame some can't see it.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom... but I will be honest and say you did change when Linda came back.


Did he change for the better though?

[Jen]

I would love to know exactly who dislikes me on here and who truly enjoys my presence.. it would be nice... :/

[WATERS]

I like you :pat:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Tom... but I will be honest and say you did change when Linda came back.


Did he change for the better though?

No, and I've spoken to him about that.

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
I would love to know exactly who dislikes me on here and who truly enjoys my presence.. it would be nice... :/

me, but only in the chat room :pat::cheer2:

[lily.]

I like you Jen. The first night I met you and we argued was cuz everytime I was talking to someone in a thread, you and others were doing the IKR, ORLY and ILY thing, and it annoyed me.. but I told you and we argued, and moved on and I like you fine.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
No, and I've spoken to him about that.


So do you blame me for this negative change?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Linda
I like you Jen. The first night I met you and we argued was cuz everytime I was talking to someone in a thread, you and others were doing the IKR, ORLY and ILY thing, and it annoyed me.. but I told you and we argued, and moved on and I like you fine.

I hate that argument, I shall never re-live it.
You are my role model now... obviously.

:love:


Tom, the chatroom is a sanctuary from the forum.. :P

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Tom
No, and I've spoken to him about that.


So do you blame me for this negative change?

To quite some extent.

[lily.]

LoL@role model Jen.. haha..



Tom, how could I possibly be such a bad influence on him and make him change so drastically for the worse?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
LoL@role model Jen.. haha..



Tom, how could I possibly be such a bad influence on him and make him change so drastically for the worse?

Towards me- not as a whole. Its not fair to speak about him whilst he isn't here so all I'll say is the change is because of you playing chinese whispers around to certain members with your own views on me. And no I didn't hear that from him, but its obvious you've spoken to him about that.

[lily.]

I've said it directly to you, so how is it chinese whispers?

[Ross]

I haven't changed for worse at all. :puzzled: Linda hasn't changed me...

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
I've said it directly to you, so how is it chinese whispers?

How long did it take you? :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Ross
I haven't changed for worse at all. :puzzled: Linda hasn't changed me...

I told it you all before, I'm OK with you now though (and you're OK with me as well) just basically everything we spoke about earlier on.

[lily.]

It took me like 2 days.

[lily.]

And, I'll put my edit here:

Chinese Whispers refers to when someone says something to someone else, then it gets passed on to another, and another, and it gets warped along the way.

I've said to others that I think yer a ****ing liar and a fake. I've said it to you now. Go ask Magic, Supernoodles, or Scampi or anyone else in the multi-convos I keep getting dragged into.. I said you were a fake, and a liar.. I'm saying it here too.. so where exactly does it get warped into being Chinese Whispers?