Tonights show showed why BB keeps getting reported to Ofcom

[bradley27]

Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes

[fingers]

Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes

"Honest Guv we have noted your comments and we have instructed our Producers to be more diligent. We have learnt lessons from this"

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes
]
Thats a loAD OF bs! I betch anything you havent even watched the LF, and just read something about it, decided to run with it.
Ask the people who have been here all night watching the feed. There was nothing remotely inappropriate that Coolio did. And I watched the whole thing.
People like you who read tABloid lies are the reason this happens. Get another hobby.

[Red Moon]

People are always going to complain about shows like Big Brother, it become a national sport and the newspapers fuel it.

The house is just a reflection of life in the UK being shown back to like a mirror. It contains at times the best of human nature and the worse. When the worse appears people jump on the show for showing us the worse type of behavior.

I put it this way, is it not right that we see what is wrong in the world we live so we can question it rather than having it sanitized out of the show?

Surely by showing the nastiness and the problems caused by certain behavior the programmer markers are doing us a favor. The press on the other hand by just complaining about the show rather than the bad behavior of any housemate are just sweeping the problems in society under the carpet.

Ofcom has become the official censor of TV in this country and now a handful of people have the power to get people sacked and programmes taken off the air. Is not it time the people of the UK started complaining about Ofcom?

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes
]
Thats a loAD OF bs! I betch anything you havent even watched the LF, and just read something about it, decided to run with it.
Ask the people who have been here all night watching the feed. There was nothing remotely inappropriate that Coolio did. And I watched the whole thing.
People like you who read tABloid lies are the reason this happens. Get another hobby.

is there a need for personal abuse? I guess that might be why you see nothing wrong in what Foolio has done. I've watched more than enough BB from even before the first series over here. And if it was so innocent why not show it and let the audience decide. They have shown more than enough on the h/ls of him pestering the likes of Mutya

[Red Moon]

Remember to stick to the subjects and talk about them and not attack any other members. It's against the rules to attack and insult other users of TiBB.

Red

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
People are always going to complain about shows like Big Brother, it become a national sport and the newspapers fuel it.

The house is just a reflection of life in the UK being shown back to like a mirror. It contains at times the best of human nature and the worse. When the worse appears people jump on the show for showing us the worse type of behavior.

I put it this way, is it not right that we see what is wrong in the world we live so we can question it rather than having it sanitized out of the show?

Surely by showing the nastiness and the problems caused by certain behavior the programmer markers are doing us a favor. The press on the other hand by just complaining about the show rather than the bad behavior of any housemate are just sweeping the problems in society under the carpet.

Ofcom has become the official censor of TV in this country and now a handful of people have the power to get people sacked and programmes taken off the air. Is not it time the people of the UK started complaining about Ofcom?

People didnt always complain, but they found their voice when BB showed a lack of judgement and insulted its viewers by manufacturing getting Nikki back into BB7. There was a sudden realisation that people could complain and I said at the time it was the "jumping the shark" moment. Once it dawned on people they could complain, they now complain every time whether they have seen it or not.

My point tonight is by ignoring what happened and what was seen by people and has been reported, they are being caught covering up again. They delibertely cut l/f this time to avoid it, but they arent bright enough to see when they need to not show anything. If they show a bit and people see it, then claim nothing is happening, they deserve what is coming to them, in relation to Ofcom

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes
]
Thats a loAD OF bs! I betch anything you havent even watched the LF, and just read something about it, decided to run with it.
Ask the people who have been here all night watching the feed. There was nothing remotely inappropriate that Coolio did. And I watched the whole thing.
People like you who read tABloid lies are the reason this happens. Get another hobby.

is there a need for personal abuse? I guess that might be why you see nothing wrong in what Foolio has done. I've watched more than enough BB from even before the first series over here. And if it was so innocent why not show it and let the audience decide. They have shown more than enough on the h/ls of him pestering the likes of Mutya

Again, did you watch the Live feed last night? If the answer is no, like I suspect, youre a tabloid bandwagoner.
If the answer is yes, which I seriously doubt, what exactly happened, so you can prove to us your opinion is actually warranted. Because I watched it, so did a few people on here, some of which do not like Coolio, and we can assure you, nothing happened.
Obviously, your hobby is just to complain, and go with things like that, which you have no proo f of whatsoever.
DO you think if BB was trying to cover up anything they would even show that on LF? Have some logic at least.
Adn BTW Mutya and Coolio where cracking up laughing

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes
]
Thats a loAD OF bs! I betch anything you havent even watched the LF, and just read something about it, decided to run with it.
Ask the people who have been here all night watching the feed. There was nothing remotely inappropriate that Coolio did. And I watched the whole thing.
People like you who read tABloid lies are the reason this happens. Get another hobby.

is there a need for personal abuse? I guess that might be why you see nothing wrong in what Foolio has done. I've watched more than enough BB from even before the first series over here. And if it was so innocent why not show it and let the audience decide. They have shown more than enough on the h/ls of him pestering the likes of Mutya

Again, did you watch the Live feed last night? If the answer is no, like I suspect, youre a tabloid bandwagoner.
If the answer is yes, which I seriously doubt, what exactly happened, so you can prove to us your opinion is actually warranted. Because I watched it, so did a few people on here, some of which do not like Coolio, and we can assure you, nothing happened.
Obviously, your hobby is just to complain, and go with things like that, which you have no proo f of whatsoever.
DO you think if BB was trying to cover up anything they would even show that on LF? Have some logic at least.
Adn BTW Mutya and Coolio where cracking up laughing

I refer you to what was said a few posts up from Red Moon. Thank you

[Wildcat!]

Well you answered my question then. The fact is you watched nothing, read something from the Daily Star, and came here, to complain about something you havent even seen. Again, youre one of the people responsible for BB becoming so boring, and unreal. Thanks.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well you answered my question then. The fact is you watched nothing, read something from the Daily Star, and came here, to complain about something you havent even seen. Again, youre one of the people responsible for BB becoming so boring, and unreal. Thanks.

not at all, I just to chose not to reply to someone who is being personal.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well you answered my question then. The fact is you watched nothing, read something from the Daily Star, and came here, to complain about something you havent even seen. Again, youre one of the people responsible for BB becoming so boring, and unreal. Thanks.

not at all, I just to chose not to reply to someone who is being personal.

You havent watched anything, just admit it!
Where did the alleged molestation take place? You can at least say that since youve seen it right?

[bradley27]

seems like Mutya is going to leave now. So what does that say about BB? The victim of Foolio's mauling last night leaves, and the agressor just carries on. And they wonder why people end up complaining to Ofcom?:bored:

Hardly sends a great message to people being bullied at schools and the workplace

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Well you answered my question then. The fact is you watched nothing, read something from the Daily Star, and came here, to complain about something you havent even seen. Again, youre one of the people responsible for BB becoming so boring, and unreal. Thanks.

not at all, I just to chose not to reply to someone who is being personal.

You havent watched anything, just admit it!
Where did the alleged molestation take place? You can at least say that since youve seen it right?

I thought I made my position clear. I dont wish to respond to people who are being personal. and if you look up at what Red Moon said, I hope you will take notice of it

[MarkWaldorf]

I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
People didnt always complain, but they found their voice when BB showed a lack of judgement and insulted its viewers by manufacturing getting Nikki back into BB7. There was a sudden realisation that people could complain and I said at the time it was the "jumping the shark" moment. Once it dawned on people they could complain, they now complain every time whether they have seen it or not.

People started complaining earlier than that, there was Kinga and the Bottle in BB6 and they even phoned the police in BB5 who ended up at the house. So it's not really that new.

Originally posted by bradley27
My point tonight is by ignoring what happened and what was seen by people and has been reported, they are being caught covering up again. They delibertely cut l/f this time to avoid it, but they arent bright enough to see when they need to not show anything. If they show a bit and people see it, then claim nothing is happening, they deserve what is coming to them, in relation to Ofcom

If anything did happen, they just haven't shown it because people would complain and now a new thing if they don't show it people complain.... so what are they meant to do?

The complainers have won and society is all sweetness, accept when it isn't and when it's not shown which again allows them to complain that there is a cover up.

To be honest the complainers need to go get a life.

[fingers]

There were people who thought Jade could do no wrong when she and her gang were bullying Shilpa (who by the way feels sorry for that Idiot)

You will ALWAYS find people who can see no wrong in fools and/or idiots!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by fingers
There were people who thought Jade could do no wrong when she and her gang were bullying Shilpa (who by the way feels sorry for that Idiot)

You will ALWAYS find people who can see no wrong in fools and/or idiots!

They always argued that Channel 4 showed Jude in a bad way and edited the show to make her and her little gang look bad. In there eyes Jade never did anything wrong, it was always the programmer makers fault. Jade was never to blame for what she did or said.

I remember the discussion on here about it well.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
People didnt always complain, but they found their voice when BB showed a lack of judgement and insulted its viewers by manufacturing getting Nikki back into BB7. There was a sudden realisation that people could complain and I said at the time it was the "jumping the shark" moment. Once it dawned on people they could complain, they now complain every time whether they have seen it or not.

People started complaining earlier than that, there was Kinga and the Bottle in BB6 and they even phoned the police in BB5 who ended up at the house. So it's not really that new.

Originally posted by bradley27
My point tonight is by ignoring what happened and what was seen by people and has been reported, they are being caught covering up again. They delibertely cut l/f this time to avoid it, but they arent bright enough to see when they need to not show anything. If they show a bit and people see it, then claim nothing is happening, they deserve what is coming to them, in relation to Ofcom

If anything did happen, they just haven't shown it because people would complain and now a new thing if they don't show it people complain.... so what are they meant to do?

The complainers have won and society is all sweetness, accept when it isn't and when it's not shown which again allows them to complain that there is a cover up.

To be honest the complainers need to go get a life.

although people complained before BB7 it was never of the mass variety and it really was the final straw, and people now just will use Ofcom at the slightest thing because they now realise they can.

And unfortunately the problem doesnt lie with the complainers as much as it does with the inconsistances of the producers as well as their blatant disregard for their viewers. They choose the worse kinds of people exactly for the reason they are getting. However they think its a ratings winner and have failed to see that people are switching off in doves now because they are sick of it.

As for what happened last night, once its out in the public and then they chose to ignore it, then they are basically asking people to complain. Let people see for themselves whether or not it was. Ignoring it just makes the situation worse and caues the problems they get

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by fingers
There were people who thought Jade could do no wrong when she and her gang were bullying Shilpa (who by the way feels sorry for that Idiot)

You will ALWAYS find people who can see no wrong in fools and/or idiots!

They always argued that Channel 4 showed Jude in a bad way and edited the show to make her and her little gang look bad. In there eyes Jade never did anything wrong, it was always the programmer makers fault. Jade was never to blame for what she did or said.

I remember the discussion on here about it well.

and in the end when the Ofcom review came out we saw it was much much worse then they even showed. They said they learnt their lesson that time, but they are doing the same again

[fingers]

Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by fingers
There were people who thought Jade could do no wrong when she and her gang were bullying Shilpa (who by the way feels sorry for that Idiot)

You will ALWAYS find people who can see no wrong in fools and/or idiots!

They always argued that Channel 4 showed Jude in a bad way and edited the show to make her and her little gang look bad. In there eyes Jade never did anything wrong, it was always the programmer makers fault. Jade was never to blame for what she did or said.

I remember the discussion on here about it well.

and in the end when the Ofcom review came out we saw it was much much worse then they even showed. They said they learnt their lesson that time, but they are doing the same again

No change there, then!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
and in the end when the Ofcom review came out we saw it was much much worse then they even showed. They said they learnt their lesson that time, but they are doing the same again

May be if Jade hadn't said what she said then nobody would have needed to learn any lesson. :whistle:

Any little thing that happens in the house is going to be blown out of proportion by the press. It sells papers and the more controversial they can make things sound the more papers they can sell. It's just another storm in a BB coffee cup.

By the way what paper did the story first appear in?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Markus
I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

I dod wonder how many of the actually watch it?

Is like the Ross Brand affair were it appears in the paper then 1000's more people complain.

[Tom4784]

Originally posted byRedMoon


By the way what paper did the story first appear in?


I'm guessing it was the Daily Fail?

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Markus
I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

I dod wonder how many of the actually watch it?

Is like the Ross Brand affair were it appears in the paper then 1000's more people complain.

Thats what most of them do. Case in point our OP right here. They hear or read something on the lying newspapers, and they go and complain, without even hearing the facts, and it just spirals out of control. Its a horrible habit, that most people have (not Markus Btw, he aint complaining). But it ends up killing TV. I lived in the US, and over there people loved watching shows from the UK, because they seem free and less regulated. But now, its fastly becoming like the US shows because of people complaining about every little thing.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
seems like Mutya is going to leave now. So what does that say about BB? The victim of Foolio's mauling last night leaves, and the agressor just carries on. And they wonder why people end up complaining to Ofcom?:bored:

Hardly sends a great message to people being bullied at schools and the workplace

Wait a sec she was saying she was going to leave for ages it not something that has happened overnight. Earlier in the show she asked to leave.

What it says about the show is the Big Brother house is a hard place to live in. It's not like she is the first housemate to walk.

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Markus
I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

I dod wonder how many of the actually watch it?

Is like the Ross Brand affair were it appears in the paper then 1000's more people complain.

Thats what most of them do. Case in point our OP right here. They hear or read something on the lying newspapers, and they go and complain, without even hearing the facts, and it just spirals out of control. Its a horrible habit, that most people have (not Markus Btw, he aint complaining). But it ends up killing TV. I lived in the US, and over there people loved watching shows from the UK, because they seem free and less regulated. But now, its fastly becoming like the US shows because of people complaining about every little thing.

Chances are there are more then a few grains of truth in the newspaper's stories otherwise C4 and endemol could bend them over a barrel and screw them for Libel. I hate complaining but I can see what Bradley is saying. They SHOULD have shown Foolio's behavior with warnings or soemthing attached but they'd never do that as foolio's they're favourite.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dezzy
I'm guessing it was the Daily Fail?

I know it was in the Daily Star:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/65956/VIDEO-BB-IN-NEW-RACE-ROW/

Just wondered if they were the first? They blow everything out of proportion.

[fingers]

Seems like the apologists for the assholes polluting the airwaves have the most to say on here!

Also they insult anyone who has the temerity to complain about said assholes.

As I said elsewhere some people would defend "snuff" movies!

[Wildcat!]

The fact is, they showed it all on the Live feed, and it was nothing but people horsing around late at night, with all them laughing. It would be stupid to put that on Highlights, as there were way more interesting stuff to show tonight. And the OP, I can guarantee you, didnt watch anything. How do you get off complaining about that? Thats ridiculous.
ANd if Coolio actually did something really bad, they would either show it on the highlights and reprimand him, or not show it at all.

[Red Moon]

Anyway according to the Daily Star it Wednesdays show that was the problem:

16th January 2009

FURIOUS fans have accused Celebrity Big Brother bosses of “double standards” for not giving bullying Coolio the boot.

Telly watchdog Ofcom launched an official investigation yesterday after viewers complained about the rapper’s relentless intimidation of housemates.

They are furious the American star has not been kicked out over claims of verbal attacks and threats of violence – after the Daily Star revealed the true extent of his aggressive behaviour in a shock report.

Last night a spokesman for Ofcom said: “I can confirm we have had complaints about Wednesday night’s show over issues concerning Coolio. We will be investigating.”
Source: Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/65956/VIDEO-BB-IN-NEW-RACE-ROW/)

So it was nothing to do with what happened last night.

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

lol

[Wildcat!]

All this is, the Daily Star had their star page 3 girl on the show, and it gives them an opportunity to quote her, obviously they tell her what to say. And use that to mount a campaign, to sell papers. Its that simple. The fact that they quoted Lucy Pinder as evicted housemate, even though she was still in the house, just shows, how truthful her quotes are. And she is not gonna deny them.

[fingers]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Anyway according to the Daily Star it Wednesdays show that was the problem:

16th January 2009

FURIOUS fans have accused Celebrity Big Brother bosses of “double standards” for not giving bullying Coolio the boot.

Telly watchdog Ofcom launched an official investigation yesterday after viewers complained about the rapper’s relentless intimidation of housemates.

They are furious the American star has not been kicked out over claims of verbal attacks and threats of violence – after the Daily Star revealed the true extent of his aggressive behaviour in a shock report.

Last night a spokesman for Ofcom said: “I can confirm we have had complaints about Wednesday night’s show over issues concerning Coolio. We will be investigating.”
Source: Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/65956/VIDEO-BB-IN-NEW-RACE-ROW/)

To be scrupulously Fair, Foolio DOES get away with murder, is BB scared of his Gangsta image or do they think they're on a winner this time.

Will Ch 4 buy his "cookery" program?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by fingers
To be scrupulously Fair, Foolio DOES get away with murder, is BB scared of his Gangsta image or do they think they're on a winner this time.

Will Ch 4 buy his "cookery" program?

Agreed he does get away with a lot in the house and I'm no fan of the man, but he does bring something into the house which shakes it up with out dated attitude. But without characters like him and Tina who left the show tonight the show would be boring and dull.

Can you imagine how dull any of the soaps would be if all the Characters got on, and just said nice things to each other all the time?

Drama comes from conflict without conflict there is no drama.... just boredom.

[James]

All this complaining to Ofcom is just from fans of the show who take it super-seriously and view Ofcom as just another way to 'vote out' a housemate.

[Wildcat!]

Best idea in this thread, from Redmoon, lets take it in the spirit of the complining and complain about Ofcom

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by James
All this complaining to Ofcom is just from fans of the show who take it super-seriously and view Ofcom as just another way to 'vote out' a housemate.

I can believe that. The complaints and the stories like this probably started on another site like this one and some member sold the story to the Daily Star after complaining to Ofcom for £200.

That was the going rate a few years ago, when someone here made up a story and sold it to the Daily Star.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Best idea in this thread, from Redmoon, lets take it in the spirit of the complining and complain about Ofcom

Thank you.... they do seem to have to much power these days.

[Wildcat!]

btw, THIS is what people watching the show on DS were saying at the time of the alleged incident. It happened at 1:22

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=972877&highlight=whatm&page=21

And heres their summary of the night!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/bigbrother/liveupdates/?page=5

Again check at 1:22

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Markus
I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

I dod wonder how many of the actually watch it?

Is like the Ross Brand affair were it appears in the paper then 1000's more people complain.
worked out well for Manuel though...he's been brought back into the limelight

people need to complain only if they have seen something for themselves, not just from reading about it in a newspaper...or even
an official transcript...remember written words are nothing like spoken words...everything is about context and intent.

there have been many fallout's on forums due to someone making a sarcastic comment which without the verbal sounds loses the initial intent...therefore people get the wrong idea, and take offense.

Coolio has done nothing wrong from what I have seen so far, though I cannot comment on this situation as I missed tonights show...and last nights LF.

dOc

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by Markus
I haven't seen any of CBB so I have nothing to use as proof from this season but BB will never be the same. People are complaining at the smallest things now days...even a swear word. People are either trying too hard to get it off air and are actually offended by what they see on the show. Neither are good signs.

I dod wonder how many of the actually watch it?

Is like the Ross Brand affair were it appears in the paper then 1000's more people complain.

Thats what most of them do. Case in point our OP right here. They hear or read something on the lying newspapers, and they go and complain, without even hearing the facts, and it just spirals out of control. Its a horrible habit, that most people have (not Markus Btw, he aint complaining). But it ends up killing TV. I lived in the US, and over there people loved watching shows from the UK, because they seem free and less regulated. But now, its fastly becoming like the US shows because of people complaining about every little thing.

Please do not tell people what I have done or not done, especially when you are wrong. By all means give your point of view, but do not make assumptions on others. I, like others here saw it and agreed, about the previous night's pawing and there have been several other occassions on the h/ls where he behaved in this manner as well.

The simple truth is no one should be allowed to touch anyone else and invade their personal space, if that person doesnt want them to. To defend that is wrong. And what a coincidence after that happened, she left the next night after not being voted out. I find the defence of actions by a sexist homophobic idiot depressing and shows that this country int as progressive as I thought it was. Joking or not is no defence once its been established that the behaviour wasnt acceptable to the person or people it was targetted to. Its not for the "joker" (sic) to decide, its for the person who the "joke" is at, to decide

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
seems like Mutya is going to leave now. So what does that say about BB? The victim of Foolio's mauling last night leaves, and the agressor just carries on. And they wonder why people end up complaining to Ofcom?:bored:

Hardly sends a great message to people being bullied at schools and the workplace

Wait a sec she was saying she was going to leave for ages it not something that has happened overnight. Earlier in the show she asked to leave.

What it says about the show is the Big Brother house is a hard place to live in. It's not like she is the first housemate to walk.

indeed she did and the fact is that the previous night wasnt the first time he has behaved this way to her. She obviously had enough, that coupled with the other reasons as well and the fact she wasnt voted out. But have no doubt that the way Foolio has behaved and the lack of censure by BB has been a factor. When you are in a place when you cant escape within there, there is only one other course of action, to leave. people forget that in there there is nowhere to get away from the constant abuse and the fact that BB seem to do nothing means that some will leave

[bradley27]

Originally posted by fingers
Seems like the apologists for the assholes polluting the airwaves have the most to say on here!

Also they insult anyone who has the temerity to complain about said assholes.

As I said elsewhere some people would defend "snuff" movies!

so true, I mean it annoys me because you always know the ending long before you get there........ sorry couldnt resist:blush2:

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
The fact is, they showed it all on the Live feed, and it was nothing but people horsing around late at night, with all them laughing. It would be stupid to put that on Highlights, as there were way more interesting stuff to show tonight. And the OP, I can guarantee you, didnt watch anything. How do you get off complaining about that? Thats ridiculous.
ANd if Coolio actually did something really bad, they would either show it on the highlights and reprimand him, or not show it at all.

sorry but that isnt a fact, thats your opinion. Plenty of others that saw it and previous examples do not see it that way

[bradley27]

Originally posted by fingers
Originally posted by Red Moon
Anyway according to the Daily Star it Wednesdays show that was the problem:

16th January 2009

FURIOUS fans have accused Celebrity Big Brother bosses of “double standards” for not giving bullying Coolio the boot.

Telly watchdog Ofcom launched an official investigation yesterday after viewers complained about the rapper’s relentless intimidation of housemates.

They are furious the American star has not been kicked out over claims of verbal attacks and threats of violence – after the Daily Star revealed the true extent of his aggressive behaviour in a shock report.

Last night a spokesman for Ofcom said: “I can confirm we have had complaints about Wednesday night’s show over issues concerning Coolio. We will be investigating.”
Source: Daily Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/65956/VIDEO-BB-IN-NEW-RACE-ROW/)

To be scrupulously Fair, Foolio DOES get away with murder, is BB scared of his Gangsta image or do they think they're on a winner this time.

Will Ch 4 buy his "cookery" program?

dont know but they certainly have shown him mention it enough times

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by fingers
To be scrupulously Fair, Foolio DOES get away with murder, is BB scared of his Gangsta image or do they think they're on a winner this time.

Will Ch 4 buy his "cookery" program?

Agreed he does get away with a lot in the house and I'm no fan of the man, but he does bring something into the house which shakes it up with out dated attitude. But without characters like him and Tina who left the show tonight the show would be boring and dull.
Can you imagine how dull any of the soaps would be if all the Characters got on, and just said nice things to each other all the time?

Drama comes from conflict without conflict there is no drama.... just boredom.

do they though? Personally I think these types of people ruin these shows every time and thats why the ratings are falling each year.

I'm no fan of Terry, but I do feel he and people like him would feel the role you are looking for without being boring but at the same time not be aggressive and ruin the show like Tina and Foolio do, and all the other loud mouth bullies in the past.

[bradley27]

Let me point out one thing. I wasnt saying I was going to complain, I have never complained to a body or the station ever (just complain on forums....lol). My point was this is exactly why people end up complaining

[letmein]

Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes

Ofcom should be outlawed. Mommy and daddy government needs to be abolished once and for all.

Don't like it? Don't watch it!

[letmein]

I love how they say that they are "investigating," like it's murder. :whistle:

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
indeed she did and the fact is that the previous night wasnt the first time he has behaved this way to her. She obviously had enough, that coupled with the other reasons as well and the fact she wasnt voted out. But have no doubt that the way Foolio has behaved and the lack of censure by BB has been a factor. When you are in a place when you cant escape within there, there is only one other course of action, to leave. people forget that in there there is nowhere to get away from the constant abuse and the fact that BB seem to do nothing means that some will leave

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never gonna forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

Originally posted by bradley27
do they though? Personally I think these types of people ruin these shows every time and thats why the ratings are falling each year.

I'm no fan of Terry, but I do feel he and people like him would feel the role you are looking for without being boring but at the same time not be aggressive and ruin the show like Tina and Foolio do, and all the other loud mouth bullies in the past.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

[shakin]

this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

[bradley27]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by bradley27
Seems like they havent learnt their lesson. They believe if they dont show it on the h/ls then no one will notice. Yet it was shown last night and in the papers how Foolio was with Mutya and how he basically crossed the line and was pawing all over her. They think that people will ignore it just like they hoped with Jade 2 years ago. But now they know it will be out there and people who know will feel justified in ringing Ofcom to complain again. And if Mutya walks a she says she will there will be more evidence of how BB is trying to ignore the problem.

If BB want Ofcom to stop getting involved, they need to stop trying to pretend that things that did happen, didnt.

I look forward to the report in 2 months time when we finally get to see every thing Foolio no doubt did and then have C4 and Endemol chiefs claiming, AGAIN, that they have learnt from their mistakes

Ofcom should be outlawed. Mommy and daddy government needs to be abolished once and for all.

Don't like it? Don't watch it!

nothing to do with watching or not, its to do with upholding the laws about discrimination and abuse

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
indeed she did and the fact is that the previous night wasnt the first time he has behaved this way to her. She obviously had enough, that coupled with the other reasons as well and the fact she wasnt voted out. But have no doubt that the way Foolio has behaved and the lack of censure by BB has been a factor. When you are in a place when you cant escape within there, there is only one other course of action, to leave. people forget that in there there is nowhere to get away from the constant abuse and the fact that BB seem to do nothing means that some will leave

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never going to forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

Originally posted by bradley27
do they though? Personally I think these types of people ruin these shows every time and thats why the ratings are falling each year.

I'm no fan of Terry, but I do feel he and people like him would feel the role you are looking for without being boring but at the same time not be aggressive and ruin the show like Tina and Foolio do, and all the other loud mouth bullies in the past.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

Sorry I just disagree. And I believe the ratings prove it. If you think people are stopping watching it because they are dissappointed that there arent enough revolting people in there, I think you're wrong. I would like to see them try something different for once. Humour would bring viewers back.

In early series when an argument happened it was a bombshell, but now they do their best to create those situations so you get it all the time, and very few people just want to watch arguments all the time. Thats why most of the proper psychologists left the show. They saw what was happening.

The sad thing is the producers saw how massive the arguments were early on in the BB history and thought that it meant they should put in more and more revolting people, as well as mentally unable people and therefore it would work, but it hasnt and now its dying a slow death because Endemol just dont get it.

Arguments can be explosive and clashing personalities interesting, but not if it is the same thing over and over again

[bradley27]

Originally posted by shakin
this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

to be fair, thats not Ofcom's fault, its the people that complain. Ofcom cant ignore it

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
Sorry I just disagree. And I believe the ratings prove it. If you think people are stopping watching it because they are dissappointed that there arent enough revolting people in there, I think you're wrong.

No they don't they prove it. When they sanitised BB8 the ratings went down. In fact the race row in CBB5 really didn't affect the programme, as the ratings were similar to those of CBB4. Here is how the two compare (figures are overnights):

CBB4 (2006): 6 million. Peaked at 7.5 million.
CBB5 (2007): 5.8 million. Peaked at 7.3 million.

It not about revolting people it's about drama. Some people on here go on about how great BB7 was, well that was the series before CBB5, and it had some of the most conterverial housemats of all time and was set up to be bitchy and full of arguments. It also had good ratings and lots of drama, although I thought that is when the show went to far.

Which brings us nicely to your second point:

Originally posted by bradley27
In early series when an argument happened it was a bombshell, but now they do their best to create those situations so you get it all the time, and very few people just want to watch arguments all the time. Thats why most of the proper psychologists left the show. They saw what was happening.

The series they go spot on where BB3 and BB5 all of which had a good mix of laughs arguments and drama. Something they tried to repeat in BB6 but failed. That what they need t achieve again.

However turning back to BB7 you had Pete with Tourette syndrome, Lea suffers from Body dysmorphic disorder, Sam who was shunned by some of her family because of her homosexuality their are claims she had a gender identity disorder and Nikki has suffered from anorexia, anxiety and a number of other disorders and had actually been sectioned. Now looking at that and knowing other "proper psychologists" were slamming the show in "The Times" is it not surprising the "proper psychologists" left the show. It wasn't the situations the housemates were put in that caused the problems, it was the people the programme where picking.

Originally posted by bradley27
The sad thing is the producers saw how massive the arguments were early on in the BB history and thought that it meant they should put in more and more revolting people, as well as mentally unable people and therefore it would work, but it hasnt and now its dying a slow death because Endemol just dont get it.

Now at this point I agree some of the housemates put into BB7 should never have been put in the house and the "proper psychologists" were right to leave. That was a step to far and it could have back fired in a major way and I will never forget Nikki's face when she was evicted for the second time.

Originally posted by bradley27
Arguments can be explosive and clashing personalities interesting, but not if it is the same thing over and over again

But that what drama is, and that is why people watch Eastenders and other soaps. It's why CBB5 had reasonable ratings despite what Jade and her little friends did and said.

It wasn't the arguments that killed the show it was the cleaning up of the show.

Now right at the start you said:

Originally posted by bradley27
I would like to see them try something different for once. Humour would bring viewers back.

Now I have left this to last because it was tried after BB3. It was called BB4 and it was the most boring and dullest series of BB ever.

Do we really want a re-run of BB4?

[Wildcat!]

waaw! So many facts there. Gonna have to call you Redkepedia.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
Sorry I just disagree. And I believe the ratings prove it. If you think people are stopping watching it because they are dissappointed that there arent enough revolting people in there, I think you're wrong.

No they don't they prove it. When they sanitised BB8 the ratings went down. In fact the race row in CBB5 really didn't affect the programme, as the ratings were similar to those of CBB4. Here is how the two compare (figures are overnights):

CBB4 (2006): 6 million. Peaked at 7.5 million.
CBB5 (2007): 5.8 million. Peaked at 7.3 million.

It not about revolting people it's about drama. Some people on here go on about how great BB7 was, well that was the series before CBB5, and it had some of the most conterverial housemats of all time and was set up to be bitchy and full of arguments. It also had good ratings and lots of drama, although I thought that is when the show went to far.

Which brings us nicely to your second point:

Originally posted by bradley27
In early series when an argument happened it was a bombshell, but now they do their best to create those situations so you get it all the time, and very few people just want to watch arguments all the time. Thats why most of the proper psychologists left the show. They saw what was happening.

The series they go spot on where BB3 and BB5 all of which had a good mix of laughs arguments and drama. Something they tried to repeat in BB6 but failed. That what they need t achieve again.

However turning back to BB7 you had Pete with Tourette syndrome, Lea suffers from Body dysmorphic disorder, Sam who was shunned by some of her family because of her homosexuality their are claims she had a gender identity disorder and Nikki has suffered from anorexia, anxiety and a number of other disorders and had actually been sectioned. Now looking at that and knowing other "proper psychologists" were slamming the show in "The Times" is it not surprising the "proper psychologists" left the show. It wasn't the situations the housemates were put in that caused the problems, it was the people the programme where picking.

Originally posted by bradley27
The sad thing is the producers saw how massive the arguments were early on in the BB history and thought that it meant they should put in more and more revolting people, as well as mentally unable people and therefore it would work, but it hasnt and now its dying a slow death because Endemol just dont get it.

Now at this point I agree some of the housemates put into BB7 should never have been put in the house and the "proper psychologists" were right to leave. That was a step to far and it could have back fired in a major way and I will never forget Nikki's face when she was evicted for the second time.

Originally posted by bradley27
Arguments can be explosive and clashing personalities interesting, but not if it is the same thing over and over again

But that what drama is, and that is why people watch Eastenders and other soaps. It's why CBB5 had reasonable ratings despite what Jade and her little friends did and said.

It wasn't the arguments that killed the show it was the cleaning up of the show.

Now right at the start you said:

Originally posted by bradley27
I would like to see them try something different for once. Humour would bring viewers back.

Now I have left this to last because it was tried after BB3. It was called BB4 and it was the most boring and dullest series of BB ever.

Do we really want a re-run of BB4?

I guess we are going to have to disagree on this because you think the ratings are falling for one reason, I for another. As for BB3 and BB5 I think thats exactly the point when it starting going wrong and they put the wrong type of people in, and so did the pyschologists who left. The ones that were then recruited said what they were told to say.

As for would I like to have BB4 again? Compared to this, yes a 100 times more. I prefer decent people working together and being intelligent and having a good laugh. I'll tell you one thing, I bet they wished they could get the same ratings now as they did for BB4. Oh, and I enjoyed watching Celeb Hijack last year as well because bar Liam they were interesting intelligent talented people who mad an effort

Also I believe you are wrong about CBB5 having resonable ratings. Until the whole thing went mad the ratings were falling like a stone. No one was watching

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by bradley27
I guess we are going to have to disagree on this because you think the ratings are falling for one reason, I for another. As for BB3 and BB5 I think thats exactly the point when it starting going wrong and they put the wrong type of people in, and so did the pyschologists who left. The ones that were then recruited said what they were told to say.

It looks that way.... I think the ratings are falling because the show is being cleaned up and they are having to be censored by the commissioning editors, you seem to think it needs cleaning up. I also think BB3 and BB5 were the best of BB you think differently, although I feel we agree about BB7.

On a positive note, we probably agree the show should be more open. We the public need to see the live feed 24/7 so we can make our on minds up about what goes on.

Originally posted by bradley27
As for would I like to have BB4 again? Compared to this, yes a 100 times more. I prefer decent people working together and being intelligent and having a good laugh.

Well that is your choice and you are a brave person for saying you want a return of BB4. It was as dull as watching paint dry.

Originally posted by bradley27
I'll tell you one thing, I bet they wished they could get the same ratings now as they did for BB4. Oh, and I enjoyed watching Celeb Hijack last year as well because bar Liam they were interesting intelligent talented people who mad an effort

I bet they do, but that is all in the past, it is all pre Jade Gobby and the cleaning up of the show which has ruined the ratings.

On a final point BB4 it got the worse viewing figures for a final the before the post Gobby affair shows.

Final night audience

BB1 - 9.5 million
BB2 - 7 million
BB3 - 10 million
BB4 - 7.4 million
BB5 - 9 million
BB6 - 8 million
BB7 - 8.2 million

It is what they do now to make the show alive again that is interesting but that is in area I feel we will differ in.

[shakin]

Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by shakin
this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

to be fair, thats not Ofcom's fault, its the people that complain. Ofcom cant ignore it

Yeah well Ofcom shouldnt have the power it has because BB is like coolio in a way, u either love him or him. And the haters are using Ofcom as a hammer to smash BB. Its influence needs to be questioned.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
indeed she did and the fact is that the previous night wasnt the first time he has behaved this way to her. She obviously had enough, that coupled with the other reasons as well and the fact she wasnt voted out. But have no doubt that the way Foolio has behaved and the lack of censure by BB has been a factor. When you are in a place when you cant escape within there, there is only one other course of action, to leave. people forget that in there there is nowhere to get away from the constant abuse and the fact that BB seem to do nothing means that some will leave

From the press there has been on Mutya leaving so far she was fed up playing the clown on Big Brother and she had been complaining for over a week that she is sick of the show and fed up of eating nothing but roast potatoes and chick peas. And in the dairy room she said:

"I feel happy cos I'm going home and seeing my daughter and am going to have a decent night's sleep," she explained. "I don't want anyone to think I haven't enjoyed myself. I've had an amazing experience. But it's just the contact, of not being around people that I love. I miss my daughter dearly."

"I'm really looking forward to going home and giving my daughter a big hug and kiss. I've had my cries. I've missed my mum and my family. But tonight I feel comfortable to go home now."

"A big thank you," replied Mutya. "It's been an amazing experience. I'm never going to forget this. I've made some great friends. And you've made me feel that not having things, that I have all the time, isn't important. And what's important is to have my friends, my family, my daughter with me."

Now correct me if I'm wrong both in the press, so far, and in what she said before she left there was no mention of bulling or Coolio.

Originally posted by bradley27
do they though? Personally I think these types of people ruin these shows every time and thats why the ratings are falling each year.

I'm no fan of Terry, but I do feel he and people like him would feel the role you are looking for without being boring but at the same time not be aggressive and ruin the show like Tina and Foolio do, and all the other loud mouth bullies in the past.

The ratings have fallen ever since they decided to try and make the show squeaky clean after the CBB5 race row. Even the press have quoted a BB insider today saying “Production are having a bit of a tough time because they are being deluged by emails from compliance at Channel 4 over every little thing." It is the censorship of characters like Tina and Coolio that cause the ratings to drop because the show becomes dull and boring. We need characters in the house who are big, bold and controversial just like any good soap opera big characters.

If people really dislike the big characters and feel their nastiness ruins the show I would suggest they are watching the wrong programme as the sort Big Brother they seem to propose would be so dull and inoffensive you could probably show it on CBBC. It's not something I would want to watch.

The world isn't a nice place, it full of bullies and aggressive people and, as I said before, the house just reflects on what our society is really like.

well she certainly seems to be saying what the real reason is now. I guess I was right then

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=celebrity-big-brother-s-mutya-buena-my-sex-hell-with-coolio%26method=full%26objectid=21049541%26siteid= 93463-name_page.html

So the victim feel she have no choice but to leave and C4 leave this sex pest with a history of this behaviour, in the house.

The worst thing she says is that they did complain, yet nothing was done. And surprise surprise they hardly showed anyone going into the DR to complain.

And they wonder why people end up complaining. They couldnt even cover it up whilst hardly showing any l/f.

Once again Endemol shows their contempt for people. By doing nothing they have forced someone to leave, basically rewarding the bully. There is no other alternative for them if BB wont act, as there is no where to go in the house, to get away from it.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by bradley27
I guess we are going to have to disagree on this because you think the ratings are falling for one reason, I for another. As for BB3 and BB5 I think thats exactly the point when it starting going wrong and they put the wrong type of people in, and so did the pyschologists who left. The ones that were then recruited said what they were told to say.

It looks that way.... I think the ratings are falling because the show is being cleaned up and they are having to be censored by the commissioning editors, you seem to think it needs cleaning up. I also think BB3 and BB5 were the best of BB you think differently, although I feel we agree about BB7.

On a positive note, we probably agree the show should be more open. We the public need to see the live feed 24/7 so we can make our on minds up about what goes on.

Originally posted by bradley27
As for would I like to have BB4 again? Compared to this, yes a 100 times more. I prefer decent people working together and being intelligent and having a good laugh.

Well that is your choice and you are a brave person for saying you want a return of BB4. It was as dull as watching paint dry.

Originally posted by bradley27
I'll tell you one thing, I bet they wished they could get the same ratings now as they did for BB4. Oh, and I enjoyed watching Celeb Hijack last year as well because bar Liam they were interesting intelligent talented people who mad an effort

I bet they do, but that is all in the past, it is all pre Jade Gobby and the cleaning up of the show which has ruined the ratings.

On a final point BB4 it got the worse viewing figures for a final the before the post Gobby affair shows.

Final night audience

BB1 - 9.5 million
BB2 - 7 million
BB3 - 10 million
BB4 - 7.4 million
BB5 - 9 million
BB6 - 8 million
BB7 - 8.2 million

It is what they do now to make the show alive again that is interesting but that is in area I feel we will differ in.

personally I feel the moment when they lost it was when they showed their contempt for the voters by putting Nikki back in. It never recovered from that. Jade followed but the damage was done. They lost the trust that very moment.

Give me intelligent humourous fun people over thick stereotypical mental patients, any day.

[bradley27]

Originally posted by shakin
Originally posted by bradley27
Originally posted by shakin
this is beginning to irritate the hell out of me. Because the people who are reporting to Ofcom are the people who hate the BB show (they are not the actual fans) what they do is sit and watch for stuff to moan about because they know this will HURT the show, and its working.

WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK!!
CAN WE NOT COMPLAIN TO SOME GROUP ABOUT OFCOM???

COME ON WE MUST DO IT, THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!

to be fair, thats not Ofcom's fault, its the people that complain. Ofcom cant ignore it

Yeah well Ofcom shouldnt have the power it has because BB is like coolio in a way, u either love him or him. And the haters are using Ofcom as a hammer to smash BB. Its influence needs to be questioned.

true but that doesnt mean Ofcom shouldnt exist. TV like any other industry needs to keep checks and balances.

As for my original point, the trouble is because of the way Endemol thinks they should do things, they never learn (they certainly havent from the Jade affair) and it ends up with people complaining to Ofcom.