Everyone is entitled to their own opinions ...

[Tom]

This is just in light of a couple of threads recently, I'm sure you all know what I'm on about.

Without opening another can of worms, its just worth noting that everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether positive, negative, in the minority, heartless etc.

I don't think some people should be slating for others for their thoughts, I mean again I'm sure you'll know what I'm getting at but people on here should just be taken at face value. Its up to you whether you believe them or not and up to you if you want to make that thought known to everyone. I don't think people should be slated for it. Theres no way of knowing 100% for sure if someone is telling the truth or not and theres no guarantees anyone will ever find out. Where hopefully everyone is genuine, its probably very likely that they aren't, but just as likely that they are so its down to you.

But all I'm saying is don't slate others for disagreeing with you no matter how big or small the issue is.

[lily.]

I agree 100% with that Tom.

I do have a controversial opinion, and I certainly don't expect others to agree with it. But, it's unfair to get personal if you don't agree with someone, no matter how sensitive the subject matter is.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh theres no need to get personal unless theyre a racist...then its ok lol!

[Wildcat!]

I must say, that observation ange7 made, on the going away thread, is really interesting.
I think you should go and have a look Linda.

[lily.]

haha... yeah, apart from things like that Netto... :P

[pinkmichk]

i completely agree with you as well

[Sod_James]

I agree somtimes in this forum im put off posting because some people can be so harsh to others just for expressing their opinions.

[GhettoSuperstar]

I whole heartedly agree.

BUT... it must be a valid point or some contribution to a topic.
A few days ago there was a certain topic just which had members just using swear words and 5 year old language digging at a certain celeb, hint - in my sig.

I'm sick of people ruining a topic or attempting to degrade things you like but in childish ways.

Have a point.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
I whole heartedly agree.

BUT... it must be a valid point or some contribution to a topic.
A few days ago there was a certain topic just which had members just using swear words and 5 year old language digging at a certain celeb, hint - in my sig.

I'm sick of people ruining a topic or attempting to degrade things you like but in childish ways.

Have a point.

Well said ghetto man!!

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
I whole heartedly agree.

BUT... it must be a valid point or some contribution to a topic.
A few days ago there was a certain topic just which had members just using swear words and 5 year old language digging at a certain celeb, hint - in my sig.

I'm sick of people ruining a topic or attempting to degrade things you like but in childish ways.

Have a point.

Hello?! Ruin the topic? The OP had intended for it to be a thread about how ridiculous she thought it was Hilary Duff had a 2 Greatest Hits. It;s not like people had come into a a Hilary Appreciation thread and started slating her. The only childish reaction was yours.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@HopeUHateMe

[Scarlett.]

People should have the right to express their opinions

WITHOUT BEING TREATED LIKE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH :spin2:


End of.


My 2 cents

[Captain.Remy]

The only ones who aren't allowed to express their opinions are pedos and rapers. I wish the death penalty was still there for them.

Apart from that, everyone is allowed to express what they think. So I basically agree with Linda and co.

[Spike]

Completely agree Tom
It amazes me how much hate some members get for having a different or controversial opinion
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want and express it if they want without being treated like they have done something wrong

[Tom4784]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... It's just that mine is always right! :laugh:

I do agree with that though although I am guilty at times of it. We just gotta try and hold our tongues (or fingers?) more.

[30stone]

Nobody is entitled to an opinion. (=

My forum, Mine. :wavey:

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
I whole heartedly agree.

BUT... it must be a valid point or some contribution to a topic.
A few days ago there was a certain topic just which had members just using swear words and 5 year old language digging at a certain celeb, hint - in my sig.

I'm sick of people ruining a topic or attempting to degrade things you like but in childish ways.

Have a point.

Hello?! Ruin the topic? The OP had intended for it to be a thread about how ridiculous she thought it was Hilary Duff had a 2 Greatest Hits. It;s not like people had come into a a Hilary Appreciation thread and started slating her. The only childish reaction was yours.

And I elaborated the situation more and had a proper discussion. You can't really find fault with that unless you are jealous that I can say more than "**** **** **** ****". Yuh huh.

E.g. I could quite easily make a topic about lets say... Big Brother and go "ZOMG ITS ****, ****, ****. What a load of crap". That ain't what I call a proper, well rounded, worthy and dignified opinion.

[Tom]

I agree, didn't include that though. A lot of opinions in the thread in question were well backed up yet still people wouldn't respect their opinion ...

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
I agree, didn't include that though. A lot of opinions in the thread in question were well backed up yet still people wouldn't respect their opinion ...

I'm quite shocked that you have this viewpoint Tom. Please don't take that the wrong way, but a lot of the people who weren't respecting others opinions were people I thought were your friends, so I suppose I expected you to take the same viewpoint out of loyalty.

Sorry for pre-judging you.


Edit to add: AMA, I did see the observation ange7 made, and I concur.

[Wildcat!]

I am glad you did! I have had bust ups with Angie, telling her I dont think she is legit, then her daughter came along and mouthed off at me, and got support from others. SO I just let it go!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Linda
Originally posted by Tom
I agree, didn't include that though. A lot of opinions in the thread in question were well backed up yet still people wouldn't respect their opinion ...

I'm quite shocked that you have this viewpoint Tom. Please don't take that the wrong way, but a lot of the people who weren't respecting others opinions were people I thought were your friends, so I suppose I expected you to take the same viewpoint out of loyalty.

Sorry for pre-judging you.


Edit to add: AMA, I did see the observation ange7 made, and I concur.

I make up my own mind, I don't care what others think, even less so on the internet :tongue:

[Fom]

I agree Tom, everyone does. But sometimes I think its nice for some opinions to be kept to themselves, there is being opinionated and then being rude.
If you disagree then fine, but I have been brought up that way, treat people the way I would like to be treated, i tell the truth and the right opinion when it matters, but when the opinion is just to cause some chaos and hurt someone's feelings. Then thats when it should just be kept to yourself.

Its how I was brought up, thats why I disagree so strongly. I hope you respect my opinion on this, like you want to be respected on your opinions.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Tom
I make up my own mind, I don't care what others think, even less so on the internet :tongue:

Words of wisdom. :thumbs:

[30stone]

Originally posted by 30stone
Nobody is entitled to an opinion. (=

My forum, Mine. :wavey:

I should have to repeat myself. :nono:

[Sting]

Originally posted by Tom
This is just in light of a couple of threads recently, I'm sure you all know what I'm on about.

Without opening another can of worms, its just worth noting that everyone is entitled to their own opinions whether positive, negative, in the minority, heartless etc.

I don't think some people should be slating for others for their thoughts, I mean again I'm sure you'll know what I'm getting at but people on here should just be taken at face value. Its up to you whether you believe them or not and up to you if you want to make that thought known to everyone. I don't think people should be slated for it. Theres no way of knowing 100% for sure if someone is telling the truth or not and theres no guarantees anyone will ever find out. Where hopefully everyone is genuine, its probably very likely that they aren't, but just as likely that they are so its down to you.

But all I'm saying is don't slate others for disagreeing with you no matter how big or small the issue is.
Nice thread Tom, well put lol

[lily.]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by 30stone
Nobody is entitled to an opinion. (=

My forum, Mine. :wavey:

I should have to repeat myself. :nono:

Oh sorry Ben.. I bow down to thee... :P

[Tom]

Ben, I don't agree with you :tongue:

[lily.]

No Tom.. you must... didn't you read when he said it's his forum... shame on you! :nono:

[andyman]

But the thing is when people don't agree with me then i just feel sorry for them, they don't know how wrong they are, bless. :bigsmile:

[lily.]

Andyman, you are one of the reasons I come to this place.. :thumbs:

[andyman]

Ta cupcakes :wavey:

[lily.]

Anytime suga.. :P

[ange7]

Looks like admin are taking a "fom" based approach to opinions ie censoring everything.My posts over at the "I'm leaving" thread or whatever it was called regarding the similarities between Angiebabe's and her daughter posts have been deleted ..as has the whole thread. lol wtf? Can anyone find it?

[NettoSuperstar!]

I'l just add that I dont always have respect for some peoples opinions but I try and always have respect for the person. And there are a few who Ive had major issues with their opinions, but dont dislike them or bear any grudges. Infact I would rather converse with them, than others who have nothing much to say for themselves at all!

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
I'l just add that I dont always have respect for some peoples opinions but I try and always have respect for the person. And there are a few who Ive had major issues with their opinions, but dont dislike them or bear any grudges. Infact I would rather converse with them, than others who have nothing much to say for themselves at all!

Ill second that :wavey:

[Sunny_01]

Firstly I totally agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I do hate it though when people hand out insults and dress it up in its just my opinion.

Ange7 as for the Mods having a Fom based approach, well like everyone on here we all have our own opinions about things but the problems arise when we try to impose our opinions onto everyone else and make it "law" I think constructive discussions like these are helpful and show that people can behave in a respectful way without getting into arguments about things.

I understand all the hoo ha behind the angiebabe situation and hold my hand up to being cynical about her illness and had I been online would have added my thoughts before the thread was closed (quite rightly so) the problems arise when people dont respect others polite opinions.

[lily.]

I'm guilty of a lot of things on here, but in this situation, I reckon I was respectful to those who disagreed with me. The same can't be said for how I was treated in return though.

I'm glad the threads are all gone to be honest. I'd rather have no discussion about it than a censored one. I'm not saying the mods/admin are censoring, but some of the members would like to.

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and on subject of the other thread. I think people have asked valid questions and have reason to be cynical. the danger is in people lining up to slap the woman down, which I wouldnt want to see. If it is made up then I can understand people will be angry, hurt, feel cheated etc. But If it is, all I want to say is I hope she can get help for whatever went wrong to make her feel like she had to do that. And hope she is able to realise that people liked her for who she was not anything else, and there will always be people who disagree with you or dislike you. Thats just the way it goes man!...and if it is wrong then, like Linda said her family arent going to give 2 ***** about a few doubters on the net!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Oh hello! Respec like aiiigh

[Fom]

I have said what I believe so I don't feel there is any reason into keep saying it, I didn't treat anyone with disrespect. I was expressing my opinion, and if you want your opinion respected then you should respect mine.

And stop saying 'Fom's approach' I am not the only person who thinks it. I am not the only person in the world to be brought up this way.

[lily.]

You said quite a few disrespectful things to me Fom. I'm sure they're all kept in the famous "TiBB Towers".

[Fom]

I recall calling you pathetic and a muppet. If that offends you then I am sorry, but yet again, just my opinion of you.

Do you not like it when insults get hidden as an opinion, because in MY opinion you have been doing it to Angie, if we all are allowed an opinion then that would be a great world, but that also means I can call you all the names under the sun... as my opinion. Is that not allowed Linda? If not, then stop cornering Angie as a fake and then calling it your opinion. If you are allowed to do that, I am allowed to call you pathetic as my opinion.

[lily.]

It's not the same though Fom, and most of us here know that.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Linda
It's not the same though Fom, and most of us here know that.

No, thats called double standards.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Questioning someone isnt the same as calling them a muppet lol!

[lily.]

No it isn't. Not once did I call Angie any names.

I stated that I think "Angie" is a character created by someone and not a real person. That's not insulting people.

You, on the other hand, seem to be unable to have an intelligent adult conversation without resorting to insults.

[Captain.Remy]

Go Linda Go Linda !

[Fom]

Originally posted by Linda
No it isn't. Not once did I call Angie any names.

I stated that I think "Angie" is a character created by someone and not a real person. That's not insulting people.

You, on the other hand, seem to be unable to have an intelligent adult conversation without resorting to insults.

Oh Linda, you want to talk about adult conversations? Because you are clearly so adult, to post in a sick womans thread for her friends and say "I think your fake (but its just my opinion)"
Its maybe not an insult as such, but its unnecessary and could be taken as offense. God forbid I am trying to stop somebody from being offended.
I did say an insult, and I would take it back if I could but I was at the time a bit annoyed that someone would post in that thread and say such stupid things. I don't know which world you live in but if everyone voiced their opinion like that it would be a horrible world.

[lily.]

I'd rather live in my realistic cynical world than live in the bubble you appear to live in. If you think everyone on the internet is who or what they say they are, then you're in for a big shock one day.

[NettoSuperstar!]

If anything bringing it out in the open can only help! Sooner or later she'll have to face up to what shes done and then she can get help and move on with her life instead of being stuck in this terrible lie! And if its not true well, Is there really any harm done?

[lily.]

No. There is no harm done. If she is real and expects everyone online to believe everything she says, then she's also deluded and living in a bubble.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Linda
I'd rather live in my realistic cynical world than live in the bubble you appear to live in. If you think everyone on the internet is who or what they say they are, then you're in for a big shock one day.

No I don't believe that, but I am not going to suddenly believe she isn't real because everyone else is doubting her, I am capable of creating my own decision. I dont live in a bubble, I give my opinion when its needed, hence why I am not backing down on this because I am voicing my opinion. I could easily go 'Yeh whatever' and stop posting. But if you have missed my previous post I will post it again!
And I will repeat, I'd rather look a fool and believe it than be rude and insist an ill woman is fake.



Originally posted by Fom
I agree Tom, everyone does. But sometimes I think its nice for some opinions to be kept to themselves, there is being opinionated and then being rude.
If you disagree then fine, but I have been brought up that way, treat people the way I would like to be treated, i tell the truth and the right opinion when it matters, but when the opinion is just to cause some chaos and hurt someone's feelings. Then thats when it should just be kept to yourself.

Its how I was brought up, thats why I disagree so strongly. I hope you respect my opinion on this, like you want to be respected on your opinions.

[NettoSuperstar!]

True! And personally if a few people questioned anything about me I wouldnt give two ***** cos I know what the truth is! (I love how if ***** is in the plural its not considered rude enough to censor!)

[lily.]

So you don't live in a bubble, and you don't think everyone online is who they say they are, yet you take personal offense at the fact that I don't believe Angie?

I'm not following Fom. I'm not following why this is upsetting you personally so much.

I get that you have the complete opposite opinion, but I don't get why you feel the need to call me names and assault my character because we differ on our views.

Can you explain why you felt the need to do that?

[Fom]

Right, I told myself I wasn't gonna get back into this, and I have been sucked back into this petty argument. I am just going to draw the line at we agree to disagree. It's not worth arguing with you, you just annoy me with your 'Im better than you because I know how to have an opinion' crap.

[lily.]

There you go again. You are insulting me and accusing me of thinking I'm better than others. I don't understand why you do that.

[NettoSuperstar!]

I missed summat there! whoooosh

[lily.]

What did you miss Netto?

[Sunny_01]

Personal insults are not allowed on this forum - calling someone a Muppet is a personal insult, if this continues a warning will be issued - Sunny

[Fom]

Originally posted by Linda
So you don't live in a bubble, and you don't think everyone online is who they say they are, yet you take personal offense at the fact that I don't believe Angie?

I'm not following Fom. I'm not following why this is upsetting you personally so much.

I get that you have the complete opposite opinion, but I don't get why you feel the need to call me names and assault my character because we differ on our views.

Can you explain why you felt the need to do that?

You are taking it out of context, I dont care what you believe. You can believe she is whatever you want, thats not what bothers me. The only thing that annoyed me was where you decided to express it. It's escalated into something silly, and lets just finish it there.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Linda
What did you miss Netto?

the bit where you claim to know how to have an opinion better:bigsmile:

[Fom]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Personal insults are not allowed on this forum - calling someone a Muppet is a personal insult, if this continues a warning will be issued - Sunny

Sorry, as mentioned I would take it back if I could.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Fom
The only thing that annoyed me was where you decided to express it.

So you have appointed yourself the forum censor now?

It's hardly surprising I received in excess of 10 U2U's from people who agreed with me but were afraid to post it on the forum.

This is precisely why these members felt the need to keep it to themselves. They feared the abuse they would have to endure at the hands of self-appointed forum police.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Fom
Right, I told myself I wasn't going to get back into this, and I have been sucked back into this petty argument. I am just going to draw the line at we agree to disagree. It's not worth arguing with you, you just annoy me with your 'Im better than you because I know how to have an opinion' c**p.

YOu really cant talk without resulting into insults. I think if youre unable to do that on a forum, then its definitely not your place. First of all, most people dont agree with you, as in you telling people to stop questioning Angie if they feel like it. At least the people who believe her, are able to give their opinions, without insulting anyone, and respecting their thoughts. I suggest you stop, because you obviously arent able talk to people, in a respectful matter.

[Sunny_01]

I am happy to leave this thread open as long as people post within the forum rules, lets try not to argue and keep the discussion constructive.

[lily.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Linda
What did you miss Netto?

the bit where you claim to know how to have an opinion better:bigsmile:

Oh, that.

Yeah, that would be on account of the fact that I don't claim to have a superior opinion to anyone else. I have an opinion, and it's mine. That's about all there is to it. lol

[NettoSuperstar!]

Aye aye Cap'n

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I am happy to leave this thread open as long as people post within the forum rules, lets try not to argue and keep the discussion constructive.

there is only one member not being constructive here. Everyone else is just giving their thoughts as it should.
Either way, it doesnt make a difference to me if a FM is fake or not, to be honest. Frankly thats the danger of some people getting too personal here, when it comes to being open on a forum. And the fact that there are kids here, makes it even more dangerous.

[lily.]

I agree AMA. That's why I don't discuss my personal life on a web forum. I make 'friends' online but they are not a part of my real life, nor will they ever be.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Linda
I agree AMA. That's why I don't discuss my personal life on a web forum. I make 'friends' online but they are not a part of my real life, nor will they ever be.

I do to! I might become closer friends to some on facebook or something, if I know we have things in common. But I really try to avoid people younger than 16, thats why I always found a certain member a bit strange.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Amen! I hope the kids take the same approach, good point. I was thinking about the other day, people give far far far too much info about themselves on here/the net in general and dont see the potential dangers.

[lily.]

Yeah, it's tricky on here as there are so many younger members, and I don't discriminate on the board, but I like to keep my MSN list to over18s as much as possible. I don't have a whole lot in common with anyone younger than that.

My closest friend on here is 40. I talk to him more than anyone else.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Originally posted by Linda
I agree AMA. That's why I don't discuss my personal life on a web forum. I make 'friends' online but they are not a part of my real life, nor will they ever be.

I do to! I might become closer friends to some on facebook or something, if I know we have things in common. But I really try to avoid people younger than 16, thats why I always found a certain member a bit strange.

ahhh and I see what you mean yeh, I never thought about that bit particularly!

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Linda
Yeah, it's tricky on here as there are so many younger members, and I don't discriminate on the board, but I like to keep my MSN list to over18s as much as possible. I don't have a whole lot in common with anyone younger than that.

My closest friend on here is 40. I talk to him more than anyone else.

Oh yeah, when it comes to discussions ang games, I dont discriminate either, and I treat every member with the same amount of respect, weather they are real young or older than me. Thats the beauty of a forum.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Linda
Yeah, it's tricky on here as there are so many younger members, and I don't discriminate on the board, but I like to keep my MSN list to over18s as much as possible. I don't have a whole lot in common with anyone younger than that.

My closest friend on here is 40. I talk to him more than anyone else.

I know who's the one...:hugesmile:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Linda
Yeah, it's tricky on here as there are so many younger members, and I don't discriminate on the board, but I like to keep my MSN list to over18s as much as possible. I don't have a whole lot in common with anyone younger than that.

My closest friend on here is 40. I talk to him more than anyone else.

Yeh defo. Ive never been one for getting to know people on here any more than in the forum and havin a laff. I mean I do like people and would prob get on in real life, but this isnt real life! And would never dream of becoming close to any of the younger members or have anything in common for a start anyway

[lily.]

haha.. yup, ye do Remy.. he's like a brother to me.. I spend half the day insulting him haha

[lily.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Linda
Yeah, it's tricky on here as there are so many younger members, and I don't discriminate on the board, but I like to keep my MSN list to over18s as much as possible. I don't have a whole lot in common with anyone younger than that.

My closest friend on here is 40. I talk to him more than anyone else.

Yeh defo. Ive never been one for getting to know people on here any more than in the forum and havin a laff. I mean I do like people and would prob get on in real life, but this isnt real life! And would never dream of becoming close to any of the younger members or have anything in common for a start anyway

A while back , someone took offense on here cuz I refused to add them to my MSN cuz they were too young.

What they didn't seem to realise was how it would make me look, having a whole bunch of children on my friends list. Aside from the fact that I don't really have anything to talk to them about, I think it's a bit dubious and I wouldn't like to think my teenage son or daughter considered someone in their 20s or 30s to be a 'close friend'. It wouldn't happen in the real world, so it's not ok in the virtual one either.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh damn right! In fact Ive thought about that before aswell. I wouldnt want my teenage kids befriending older people either, or even on TIBB at all under say 15/16!

[lily.]

Yeah, I'm quite strict with my kids regarding net usage. And, our "family PC" is in the living room, so they won't get away with much lol. I've come across my fair share of dubious sorts online, and I'm old enough to handle it. I don't want my kids to have to deal with those kind of people until they're old enough to handle it too.

[ange7]

lol
I was going to jump in but 5 V 1 would have been harsh :P

ps sunny..
by "admin taking a fom based approach" I was just referring to how admin prefers to edit out content rather than let it run it's course just like Fom would prefer it if people were quite about their doubts.. ie self censor.

re
age gap ....yeah spot on ...it's getting harder to find threads that are fun to post on because it seems all the older members are leaving.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh mine arent old enough to go on anything other than cbeebies but when they are there will be no computers in bedrooms no chance! At least I've got boys though. I think I'd worry more if it were girls!...Never had these worries IN MY DAY...lol@being old

[lily.]

I have a boy and a girl. I think both carry worries of some sort. Ye try to give them freedom, but at the same time, ye need to keep them safe. It's hard to find the balance. My daughter is at the Hannah Montana/High School Musical age.. so the teenage years aren't far off.. lol

Ange, nice to have you join us. Should we make a thread for the 30somethings? I believe there was one already, but it disappeared...

[Wildcat!]

Not 30 something, but 20 something would be nice!:blush2:

[NettoSuperstar!]

anyway being an oldie I have to do some cleaning once in a while! Over and Out!

[lily.]

Lata Netto.. I should do that too, but I'm not guna haha

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Linda
haha.. yup, ye do Remy.. he's like a brother to me.. I spend half the day insulting him haha

I didn't talk to him in AGES I need to go back to Roo.
He likes being insulted...cheeky boy haha :hugesmile:

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Personal insults are not allowed on this forum - calling someone a Muppet is a personal insult, if this continues a warning will be issued - Sunny

LMAO