Italian Workers take UK contract

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1131708/Workers-stage-protest-use-foreign-labour-oil-refinery.html



http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Jan/Week4/15212535.jpg


A Italian Worker gives his viewpoint with a Finger
on the right cover of this paper.



On Radio 5
a UK Union worker said
they had all the workers who can do the same job
ready.

But ,of course,
with these €uro workers
the company saves bigger money.




Sign Of The Times.

[*mazedsalv**]

Ohh great, a story to get us Italians hated :cloud:

[arista]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
Ohh great, a story to get us Italians hated :cloud:



No it is Not.



Just these Nasty Finger Up type
Italian Workers.



This is a serious debate
Strikes are now on because of this.
800 now on strike outside a Total base.


Check it out on TV news and Radio News.


Update: 1815:
That Photo on the Newspaper image
was just shown on BBC National News.

[30stone]

They Got rid of 250 english workers to bring in italian ones for cheaper?

Is that right? Either way they just put the english out of more work!

[arista]

Originally posted by 30stone
They Got rid of 250 english workers to bring in italian ones for cheaper?

Is that right? Either way they just put the english out of more work!



The Total Company
claims it pays them the same wage.
But there is a Tax fiddle permitted.

I also think
you can never find the true rates.


As a simple Example
if you buy from Amazon, HMV or Play.com
all based in Guernsey
you pay less as all The Tax is taken off.




Anyway
local UK staff can do that work
so why is Our 'Scottish' PM not helping this?

[andyman]

... Gordon Brown said, "British jobs for British workers!"


There are alot of companies that won't employ British workers!..


Polski pound.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
... Gordon Brown said, "British jobs for British workers!"


There are alot of companies that won't employ British workers!..


Polski pound.




Yes Brown says that a great deal
but on this he will not say a word
unless Petrol is held up, of course.

[andyman]

Great idea! Hold up the petrol!

This is our country and our government are flogging us down the river! How dare this happen.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/30/oil-refinery-dispute




Strikes are spreading.

So sooner or later
Mr.Bristish Jobs for British Workers - PM Brown
will have to say something
even from Davos, if he wants.


A regional officer for Unite in Scotland, said
"The argument is not against foreign workers, it's against foreign
companies discriminating against British labour"

[arista]

The Total CEO
went on Radio 5 live
he said they are paid the same.

He also said they (IRM company) are the best to do that job.


So he must be saying that
UK workers are not up to that kind of work.
(On the Wright Stuff ,ch5, this morning
a women from Denmark phoned in to say just that
but lost her nerve and paused
so Matt cut her off.)



He has broken no €uro Laws
so PM Brown will do nothing
unless they get Petrol held at Ransom.



The Men outside that Total plant
say they can do the same work.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/01/29/article-1131708-033C9213000005DC-98_468x279.jpg

[andyman]

The british people treated like scum in our own country!!

Would this happen anywhere else? No! Feeking european laws and human right laws are a freaking joke!

[Matt08]

This country gets more ****ed up my the day. There are millions of people out of work and they are giving foreigners jobs which British people are capable of doing. The borders need tightening and putting British people into work should be prioritized.

It's about time people started to stand up to this Government. If they'd taken more care of the country during the boom years then we'd have never been in such a big mess now.

[andyman]

Problem is that the government won't ban workers comming from overseas into our country, europe bs we have signed, plus we have british workers overseas...

[Matt08]

Originally posted by andyman
Problem is that the government won't ban workers comming from overseas into our country, europe bs we have signed, plus we have british workers overseas...

If people from the EU come over then the Government should still ensure that British workers come first when it comes to finding a job. Joining the EU is probably one of the worst decisions this country ever made.

We'd be much better off out of it, and there would be more freedom to control borders more fiercely and decide on new laws etc.

[andyman]

The EU has many flaws... One of them is laws being made by people we have not elected and dont know, a faceless government that will sht all over the UK!

The EU have even made the UK change many working rules!

And right now we have a non-elect PM that lied to the uk people for years about the state of our country, a country living on credit!

[arista]

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Saturday 31-jan-09 Papers on this.

[Fom]

I am sure the UK had plans to leave the EU... we need to be more independent. It does annoy me when I see polish and italians working in our shops when there is such a problem with jobs at the moment. The last thing we need is people coming from oversea's taking jobs when we cant supply enough jobs for our country as it is.
With shops closing and people losing jobs, we don't need italians coming in and taking them. I am quite against the current immigration laws, too many flaws.

[arista]

Fom


This contract is a special deal
Made by Yanks who picked the Italian Crew.

Yes Brown said we could Vote on the Euro
then got scared.


On Sky news
they say some Irish now want
out of the Euro
as it is not working now.

[Matt08]

There should be more pressure on businesses to employ British people at the moment rather than foreigners, we need to sort our own people's finances out and not foreigners who have come over here to work.

The only reason I can think of as to why a business would want to employ foreigners is because they can pay them less money. Ever since immigration got out of control, I expect a lot of people's wages have gone down because of the foreign workers who they can pay less.

This country really has gone **** up!

[andyman]

Plus many send money back home... I've spoken to many!

And many get free phone top ups and a bus pass and DO jump the nhs waiting list and housing list...

UK is such a soft touch, but this is what the left-wing nut jobs want!

[Matt08]

Originally posted by andyman
Plus many send money back home... I've spoken to many!

And many get free phone top ups and a bus pass and DO jump the nhs waiting list and housing list...

UK is such a soft touch, but this is what the left-wing nut jobs want!


:bored: I HATE it how some of them are given special privileges. Then you get some of the other's who get their UK visa's or citizenships and then will work for a while and then leave and claim benefits.

[andyman]

Originally posted by Matt08
Originally posted by andyman
Plus many send money back home... I've spoken to many!

And many get free phone top ups and a bus pass and DO jump the nhs waiting list and housing list...

UK is such a soft touch, but this is what the left-wing nut jobs want!


:bored: I HATE it how some of them are given special privileges. Then you get some of the other's who get their UK visa's or citizenships and then will work for a while and then leave and claim benefits. Thats why they want to come to the uk... They know their rights and then act dumb when in the uk! Sick!
Plus many drive cars without a valid licence and when stopped they put on on the i dont understand english bs! But they understand freaking english when its to claim benefits and other benefits that the uk people cant have because we live in our own freaking country!
Many gangs have came over aswell and the underground world has changed, not like it was good in the first place! Lol, but still many have slipped through the net.

[arista]

This is the Problem
this crew of workers live on a Floating Prison type ship
but they are working on a legal backed contract.

[arista]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/you-can-go-and-work-in-europe-mandelson-tells-strikers-1522527.html




"The Business Secretary inflamed the
dispute over foreign workers
by suggesting that protesters
could go and work elsewhere
in Europe if they were unhappy."




Vert typical of New Labour's Mandy
telling the UK staff to go and get a job in Europe.

The Fire has now started.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Jan/Week4/15214579.jpg

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1133654/Hundreds-Sellafield-workers-join-wildcat-strike-control-workers-use-SMS-internet-bypass-unions.html


Now the Power Industry is joined with illegal strikes.

PM Brown must stop this
we do not want power cuts when Endemols Big Brother is on.







http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/02/article-1133654-03443A4E000005DC-988_468x1170.jpg

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/you-can-go-and-work-in-europe-mandelson-tells-strikers-1522527.html




"The Business Secretary inflamed the
dispute over foreign workers
by suggesting that protesters
could go and work elsewhere
in Europe if they were unhappy."




Vert typical of New Labour's Mandy
telling the UK staff to go and get a job in Europe.

The Fire has now started.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Jan/Week4/15214579.jpg
lol @ "The Fire has now started." ... you seem to be trying your best.....

Which is higher?...the number of British pass port holders who have jobs overseas or the number of non-British passport holders within Great Britain?

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Plus many send money back home... I've spoken to many!

wow have you? ... did they tell you to fk off andy?

[andyman]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by andyman
Plus many send money back home... I've spoken to many!

wow have you? ... did they tell you to fk off andy? Lol... No ange7 they don't..

Many of the polish are friendly bunch just wanting to make a living.. Some are season workers and some have moved here for good..
Same as the many Kurds i have worked with... Many have heartbreaking stories from home.

[arista]

Matt Wright of the Right Stuff on Ch5
this morning
he confirmed he got a Polish driver cab
as that was all that was around today.



Sign Of The Times.

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
Matt Wright of the Right Stuff on Ch5
this morning
he confirmed he got a Polish driver cab
as that was all that was around today.



Sign Of The Times.
? you what?
Which is higher?...the number of British pass port holders who have jobs overseas or the number of non-British passport holders within Great Britain?

[andyman]

You have the facts about this passport topic?..


Stab in the dark but i will say... More non-British is higher.

Then there are the illegals!

[arista]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by arista
Matt Wright of the Right Stuff on Ch5
this morning
he confirmed he got a Polish driver cab
as that was all that was around today.



Sign Of The Times.
? you what?
Which is higher?...the number of British pass port holders who have jobs overseas or the number of non-British passport holders within Great Britain?



Corrupt New Labour has the numbers stuck in Fudge.

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by arista
Matt Wright of the Right Stuff on Ch5
this morning
he confirmed he got a Polish driver cab
as that was all that was around today.



Sign Of The Times.
? you what?
Which is higher?...the number of British pass port holders who have jobs overseas or the number of non-British passport holders within Great Britain?



Corrupt New Labour has the numbers stuck in Fudge.

New Labour aren't in the job of statistical gathering ... and the conservatives knew the value of bring in immigrants to boost economic activity. You seem kind of lost. ..another question then
Do immigrants created economic activity in a country ( ie create jobs by the fact that they are consumers) or do they take jobs?

[andyman]

Ang7.. The italian workers are living on a boat that already has what they need, their money will not be spent in the uk.. But they aint in great numbers.

Its not about we dont want them here but what has peeed people off is that many companies overlook the british workers..
The slowdown has made it worse because this is nothing new but at this time people are losing their jobs everyday and seeing oversea workers come over and be given jobs is making it worse... Its not that they are taking jobs, its that the companies are giving them jobs when the local people are out of work/being laid off when they can do the job just as good!..

But we cant just ban non-british workers, we also have many many british workers overseas.. But the government need to step in and make it a fair playing field..
This is a problem all over the world, not just the uk.

[ange7]

"Its not that they are taking jobs, its that the companies are giving them jobs when the local people are out of work/being laid off when they can do the job just as good!.."

but clearly they aren't otherwise that company would have hired them. It's in the best interest of the company to hire the best people they can for the cheapest price they can. You want the government to get in the face of business and tell them who to hire and fire. That sound like "big government" and you say you hate " big government" because it's a lefty ideal .... "high tax, big government, big safety net" ... as opposed to the conservatives " small government" less government intervention " let the market work it out". Are you now a member of the "loonry lefty" tha you keep telling us you hate hehe

[andyman]

Nope.. I aint left-wing... Left wing is to let them all in, open the gates and let the oversea workers take british jobs! Lol..

The government can step without it being "big government"... First by scraping the loony EU working laws!!

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Nope.. I aint left-wing... Left wing is to let them all in, open the gates and let the oversea workers take british jobs! Lol..

The government can step without it being "big government"... First by scraping the loony EU working laws!!

nah don't know abot that... not if it takes the jobs of "workers". You seem to think more immigrants come during a labour government than a conservative one. How sure are you of this? Conservatives ( including new labour) love bringing in immigrants because it's such a boost to the economy... it has huge flow on effects. I read that up to 12 or 13 jobs are created for every 10 immigrants. The issue has always been the cultural and social disharmony caused by racists that need an excuse for why they are perpetual ......losers and dark skinned immigrants seemed to fit the bill.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Feb/Week1/15214837.jpg



Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers.




http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Feb/Week1/15214835.jpg


And New Labour
are not helping this Eruption.

[ange7]

so wishy washy
"Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers." are you saying they've defrauded the tax department? yes or no... Have they been convicted...are there any pending charges?

let's hear your solution arista...

[NettoSuperstar!]

Why is it any different to when groups of our builders go abroad on contracts? We're all one Europe now....

[andyman]

Lol you playing the "racist card"?..

Oh no white british people must be "racist" if they want jobs in the UK!!

The Italian workers are here legaly through normal EU laws... But did the company overlook the british workers? If so then that is illegal.

The wildcat stikes are against the companies, not against the european workers. Plus many feel let down by the government, Gordon Brown did say "British jobs for British workers"... Read between the lines and he means that is the long term goal.

I think the current climate has made things worse due to many people being laid off work and seeing workers from overseas being given jobs will heat things up... Few years ago nobody would give a fk but the global downturn has changed that.

It is in our intrest to have workers from overseas here as we also have many british workers overseas... Its just a bitter pill the strikers will have to swallow but many feel let down.

[arista]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Why is it any different to when groups of our builders go abroad on contracts? We're all one Europe now....




But we ain't in the Euro.
The UK public would vote no to the Euro - which is why Brown does not give us a Vote.


We can trade with Europe
but we should get out of it
since all Euro laws work against us when it is Workers.



You will not Find a UK crew
in Europe like what Total are doing.
They would not allow it.


As Andyman points out
this is not a Level playing field with Corrupt Europe.

[arista]

Originally posted by ange7
so wishy washy
"Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers." are you saying they've defrauded the tax department? yes or no... Have they been convicted...are there any pending charges?

let's hear your solution arista...




No I am saying the Euro Laws Stink



The Euro Laws need to be changed for the UK
that is the only way.

It is all Legal
under Fudged Euro Brown mess.

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ange7
so wishy washy
"Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers." are you saying they've defrauded the tax department? yes or no... Have they been convicted...are there any pending charges?

let's hear your solution arista...




No I am saying the Euro Laws Stink



The Euro Laws need to be changed for the UK
that is the only way.

It is all Legal
under Fudged Euro Brown mess.

we're all ears mate..... what laws? We get you want change but you never actually say what you want or how far you'll go.

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
Lol you playing the "racist card"?..

Oh no white british people must be "racist" if they want jobs in the UK!!

The Italian workers are here legaly through normal EU laws... But did the company overlook the british workers? If so then that is illegal.

The wildcat stikes are against the companies, not against the european workers. Plus many feel let down by the government, Gordon Brown did say "British jobs for British workers"... Read between the lines and he means that is the long term goal.

I think the current climate has made things worse due to many people being laid off work and seeing workers from overseas being given jobs will heat things up... Few years ago nobody would give a fk but the global downturn has changed that.

It is in our intrest to have workers from overseas here as we also have many british workers overseas... Its just a bitter pill the strikers will have to swallow but many feel let down.
yeah she didn't play the racist card. That's you seeing the world through your "iz it cuz I'm white" glasses.

[andyman]

soz ange7.. I ment you! And what are your views on the topic?

I'm sure my views are the same as yours.

[arista]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ange7
so wishy washy
"Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers." are you saying they've defrauded the tax department? yes or no... Have they been convicted...are there any pending charges?

let's hear your solution arista...




No I am saying the Euro Laws Stink



The Euro Laws need to be changed for the UK
that is the only way.

It is all Legal
under Fudged Euro Brown mess.

we're all ears mate..... what laws? We get you want change but you never actually say what you want or how far you'll go.




The Euro Laws are a Mega Mess
How far I would go?
Get out of Europe.

[*mazedsalv**]

This has been the top story for the last week in Italy, everywhere you switch the channel on italian tv, its always on the news.

[ange7]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by ange7
so wishy washy
"Those import Total workers are not taxed as much as UK workers." are you saying they've defrauded the tax department? yes or no... Have they been convicted...are there any pending charges?

let's hear your solution arista...




No I am saying the Euro Laws Stink



The Euro Laws need to be changed for the UK
that is the only way.

It is all Legal
under Fudged Euro Brown mess.

we're all ears mate..... what laws? We get you want change but you never actually say what you want or how far you'll go.




The Euro Laws are a Mega Mess
How far I would go?
Get out of Europe.
lol ... that sound like a terrible plan. Isolationism and protectionism aren't going to solve Britain's economic problems. That would be the quickest way to turn the UK into a basket case economy ... how will leaving the EU help? and what are these "mega mess" EU laws you talking about. ( argue your point mate ... this is getting boring, it's like blood out of a stone with you)

[ange7]

Originally posted by andyman
soz ange7.. I ment you! And what are your views on the topic?

I'm sure my views are the same as yours.
oh me huh?
didn't you say
"The british people treated like scum in our own country!!"
that sound like you inciting people to riot against non British to me.
then arista's
"The Fire has now started." line ...lmao.. how should we interpret that.
Look ... argue your points the best you can... if you run out of a logical arguments and you position becomes untenable then concede the point. If you keep arguing long after you've ran out of logical points then we'll know that something else is motivating your point of view besides logic ...

[andyman]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by andyman
Lol you playing the "racist card"?..

Oh no white british people must be "racist" if they want jobs in the UK!!

The Italian workers are here legaly through normal EU laws... But did the company overlook the british workers? If so then that is illegal.

The wildcat stikes are against the companies, not against the european workers. Plus many feel let down by the government, Gordon Brown did say "British jobs for British workers"... Read between the lines and he means that is the long term goal.

I think the current climate has made things worse due to many people being laid off work and seeing workers from overseas being given jobs will heat things up... Few years ago nobody would give a fk but the global downturn has changed that.

It is in our intrest to have workers from overseas here as we also have many british workers overseas... Its just a bitter pill the strikers will have to swallow but many feel let down.
yeah she didn't play the racist card. That's you seeing the world through your "iz it cuz I'm white" glasses. So you don't agree with my post? If not then what are your views?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Why is it any different to when groups of our builders go abroad on contracts? We're all one Europe now....




But we ain't in the Euro.
The UK public would vote no to the Euro - which is why Brown does not give us a Vote.


We can trade with Europe
but we should get out of it
since all Euro laws work against us when it is Workers.



You will not Find a UK crew
in Europe like what Total are doing.
They would not allow it.


As Andyman points out
this is not a Level playing field with Corrupt Europe.

It was on the news today, (as I might have guessed) that 2000 British workers are overseas working on Italian oil refineries! Hmmmm No you wouldnt find a UK crew doing anything like that in Europe....not to mention all the security firms we have over in Iraq, Afghanistan....

[arista]

They are all over the place
working.

That Total contract
is nothing like all the overseas workers.

As for Iraq
they should get a medal
if they get out alive.


What a Nit picker you are.

[andyman]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Why is it any different to when groups of our builders go abroad on contracts? We're all one Europe now....




But we ain't in the Euro.
The UK public would vote no to the Euro - which is why Brown does not give us a Vote.


We can trade with Europe
but we should get out of it
since all Euro laws work against us when it is Workers.



You will not Find a UK crew
in Europe like what Total are doing.
They would not allow it.


As Andyman points out
this is not a Level playing field with Corrupt Europe.

It was on the news today, (as I might have guessed) that 2000 British workers are overseas working on Italian oil refineries! Hmmmm No you wouldnt find a UK crew doing anything like that in Europe....not to mention all the security firms we have over in Iraq, Afghanistan....
True, point i made in another post, to ban european workers would be illegal and would do alot of damage, we have plenty of british workers overseas that gives british companies the chance to expand here and overseas...
The strikes was more out of panic due to many thinking their jobs was on the line, but that is not the case. The company that employed the italian workers did not act illegaly unless they have a practice of overlooking local workers, which they dont..

[bananarama]

The ability of workers to flow from one country to another is fine under normal conditions of economic soundnesss. However when coutries are in a recession then to allow workers jobs to be filled by workers from other countries is asking for mass unrest amidst the population of all countries suffering high unemployment.

Upholding the EU law principle at times like this may well have major civil unrest impications that make the EU law a demon as opposed to a blessing...

Analogy:: If a ship is sinking and you have a life boat with a capacity of 12 and 24 people need rescuing half are none family the other family who do you give preference too!!!!Family or strangers.......Human nature I think would insist you save family first as heart breaking as it would be to allow other to fend for themselves.

My opinion is that in times of major troube then each government of each country has a duty to it's own citizens first......That may be called protectionism but some would say it is about survival.

The EU law as it stands at present is seriously "flawed" and should be adapted differently for times of recession......Otherwise the cost of civil unrest and strikes could be greater than the benefits of worker interactions......

[Fom]

I dont mind foreign workers, but our english workers over seas arent being hired because they are willing to get paid less. Thats the reason people from our country are getting no jobs, because foreign people will work cheaper, and when we DO get the jobs, we get paid the minimum because thats what foreign people would have.

[30stone]

All i know is ive been looking for a job for about 6 months and can't.

It's not good.

[arista]

Well America is trying to do Protectionism
they are saying Buy American.


But I guess that must be limited to a few products.


And the Euro Law
needs changing.


Having Brown in power
build debt on debt
will never work.