View Full Version : Lets have a debate//Debating Death sentence
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:12 PM
I'm bored! Lets have a debate! What should it be about?
Debating subject: Should britain bring back the Death sentence?
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:13 PM
Err education system ? :tongue:
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:15 PM
God being real?
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:15 PM
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Was One night in paris worth the watch?
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:16 PM
Death sentence? That is always a good one.. Lets do that one! We had a feedback form posted a few weeks back.. but now lets Actually debate it :shrug:
I think the death sentence was good and they Should bring it back. An eye for an eye if you know what i mean?
Christina
21-02-2009, 10:17 PM
Testing of animals??
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Christina
21-02-2009, 10:18 PM
Or the role the fashion industry play on young girls and their eating habits.. for example how its THEM that make girls Anorexic!!! :blush2:
Originally posted by .Andy.
Was One night in paris worth the watch?
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:23 PM
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Ino ! It's like they have it easier in prison then everyone else does in the real world..they don't have to boither with bill and jobs and all that jazz :bored:
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
Tbh i think it would be good for them to watch a video to do with each of the people they killed. Like if they killed a family and they had a vid of them on holiday then the terrorist should have to watch it. I know its harsh but still
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
No, two wrongs don't make a right. It might seem alright to kill someone cos they killed someone, but its a bit hypocritical don't you think ?
And yeah terrorists kill loads of people, but locking them up in a cell is like taking away their rights and all..like it gets to them..they have nothing to else to do other than play xbox etc. all day, so they think about what they done and they can't get away from it..it eats them up. I think it's a much bigger punishment for them to have to face up to what they done.
MrGaryy
21-02-2009, 10:29 PM
Lewis you already started this deabte a couple of weeks back.
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Ino ! It's like they have it easier in prison then everyone else does in the real world..they don't have to boither with bill and jobs and all that jazz :bored:
They should be left in a room with a tv with bad signal and like 3 channels. lol
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
Tbh i think it would be good for them to watch a video to do with each of the people they killed. Like if they killed a family and they had a vid of them on holiday then the terrorist should have to watch it. I know its harsh but still
I do not think they would care really? The government talk about having a nice world and improving, and they are not going to do that if they are paying to keep terrorists and murderers in prison with their fancy tv's
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
No, two wrongs don't make a right. It might seem alright to kill someone cos they killed someone, but its a bit hypocritical don't you think ?
And yeah terrorists kill loads of people, but locking them up in a cell is like taking away their rights and all..like it gets to them..they have nothing to else to do other than play xbox etc. all day, so they think about what they done and they can't get away from it..it eats them up. I think it's a much bigger punishment for them to have to face up to what they done.
I think it all comes back to the argument about prisons and what is in them. If someone is jailed for murder they should have all human rights taken away from them, if they are not killed. I do agree about the 2 wrongs make a right, but i think that people are getting too used to murders now. Every day on the news we hear about a murder and if these murderers were kiled, dont you think that other people who plan to murder would then think twice if they knew it was their own life they were sacrificing?
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Ino ! It's like they have it easier in prison then everyone else does in the real world..they don't have to boither with bill and jobs and all that jazz :bored:
They should be left in a room with a tv with bad signal and like 3 channels. lol
Ino..I don't even have a PS1 :bored:
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by Gazbo
Lewis you already started this deabte a couple of weeks back.
I asked for Feedback, now we are debating :laugh:
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Ino ! It's like they have it easier in prison then everyone else does in the real world..they don't have to boither with bill and jobs and all that jazz :bored:
They should be left in a room with a tv with bad signal and like 3 channels. lol
Not even that! They are locked up for a reason. they should get no enjoyment out of being in prison
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
Originally posted by Lewis:)
How about prisons today? Do you think that they should have all of this nice equiptement. Ps3s, Hd tvs, X box... Everything they have!
Omg they have stuff like that??? Thats not fair! imagine right! some of the people wouldnt have been able to afford it before they went in prison so its like some kind of treat to them!
Ino ! It's like they have it easier in prison then everyone else does in the real world..they don't have to boither with bill and jobs and all that jazz :bored:
They should be left in a room with a tv with bad signal and like 3 channels. lol
Ino..I don't even have a PS1 :bored:
the newest thing i have is a wii lol. Loads of people would kill to have one of those luxury items! I dont get why they are allowed them! Its stupid!
Originally posted by .Andy.
Was One night in paris worth the watch?
40 minutes and for what?!
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by Ninastar
the newest thing i have is a wii lol. Loads of people would kill to have one of those luxury items! I dont get why they are allowed them! Its stupid!
My sister has a nintendo DS and that's all we have :laugh:
Ino..it's suppose to be awful for them..there's no point making jail a place you'd want to go to :conf:
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by bronaa
No I don't agree with the death sentence. We were doing in RE about revenge and all, an we all thought it's worse for them to have to live with what they did then for them to be able to escape it and be killed.
And I don't think its right to kill someone..like no-one deserves for their life to be ended..that kinda contridicts what I just sai but ah well.
"If someone slaps your right cheek, let 'em slap your left too" :wink:
But do you not think that they should have their life taken for taking another life? They should have to go through with what others went through? And what about terrorists? They kill thousands of people, surely they deserve to be killed
No, two wrongs don't make a right. It might seem alright to kill someone cos they killed someone, but its a bit hypocritical don't you think ?
And yeah terrorists kill loads of people, but locking them up in a cell is like taking away their rights and all..like it gets to them..they have nothing to else to do other than play xbox etc. all day, so they think about what they done and they can't get away from it..it eats them up. I think it's a much bigger punishment for them to have to face up to what they done.
I think it all comes back to the argument about prisons and what is in them. If someone is jailed for murder they should have all human rights taken away from them, if they are not killed. I do agree about the 2 wrongs make a right, but i think that people are getting too used to murders now. Every day on the news we hear about a murder and if these murderers were kiled, dont you think that other people who plan to murder would then think twice if they knew it was their own life they were sacrificing?
Ninastar
21-02-2009, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by bronaa
Originally posted by Ninastar
the newest thing i have is a wii lol. Loads of people would kill to have one of those luxury items! I dont get why they are allowed them! Its stupid!
My sister has a nintendo DS and that's all we have :laugh:
Ino..it's suppose to be awful for them..there's no point making jail a place you'd want to go to :conf:
Yeh! Good point lol. Would you want that kind of stuff do you not allowed it?
If a hobo got arrested for drug or w.e he could tell his hobo friends to steal and stuff cause to them its like a heaven or w.e lol.
Oh gosh I just did this in a debating lesson, if I find my facts I will let you know them.
Off the top of my head I believe it costs millions of tax payers money to house these murders in prison... Millions which could go to a better Education/Healthy system. Whereas the injection drug costs about £25. I know its horrible putting a price on someone's life, but why should we waste innocent peoples money on keeping murderers alive. I think it should be brought back but only used in extreme circumstances, like the Baby P situation, the parents should be considered for the penalty.
But I also believe that people should just sit their life in prison and pay for what they have done. But this means bringing in less luxuries to prisons, like no tv, no comfy beds, no nice meals. Have them live life basically, stop spending so much money. And also make the sentences longer, when people are locked up for life, actually make it life! Not 25 years... or even less.
Lewis.
21-02-2009, 10:50 PM
I totally agree with you fom! These people need to learn that murder is not acceptable! We are wasting Millions each year, keeping someone alive, who has taken another persons life. i think it is sick how they are just kept in prison. I know that many people would disagree with this, but Murder, Rape and torture, should be punished with Death
bronaaaa
21-02-2009, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Lewis:)
I think it all comes back to the argument about prisons and what is in them. If someone is jailed for murder they should have all human rights taken away from them, if they are not killed. I do agree about the 2 wrongs make a right, but i think that people are getting too used to murders now. Every day on the news we hear about a murder and if these murderers were kiled, dont you think that other people who plan to murder would then think twice if they knew it was their own life they were sacrificing?
Yeah they would probaly think twice, but I still don't think it's morally right.
Make murderers suffer and live with what they've done, just stick them in a big pit with eachother or something and just leave them to rot away and die without costing us a penny :cheer2:
But we have more serious matters at hand to debate, One night in Paris?! :shocked::pat:
inspector-frost
21-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Make murderers suffer and live with what they've done, just stick them in a big pit with eachother or something and just leave them to rot away and die without costing us a penny :cheer2:
But we have more serious matters at hand to debate, One night in Paris?! :shocked::pat:
all types of sex offenders should be burnt alive to make doubly sure they can never ever do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arista
21-02-2009, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Fom
Oh gosh I just did this in a debating lesson, if I find my facts I will let you know them.
Off the top of my head I believe it costs millions of tax payers money to house these murders in prison... Millions which could go to a better Education/Healthy system. Whereas the injection drug costs about £25. I know its horrible putting a price on someone's life, but why should we waste innocent peoples money on keeping murderers alive. I think it should be brought back but only used in extreme circumstances, like the Baby P situation, the parents should be considered for the penalty.
But I also believe that people should just sit their life in prison and pay for what they have done. But this means bringing in less luxuries to prisons, like no tv, no comfy beds, no nice meals. Have them live life basically, stop spending so much money. And also make the sentences longer, when people are locked up for life, actually make it life! Not 25 years... or even less.
As well as No TV no Playstation 3
also.
Yes they say Prisons are to nice.
NettoSuperstar!
22-02-2009, 11:15 AM
Oh dear
1. That would make US ALL mass murderers
2. There are too many people wrongly convicted, the chance of someone innocent being killed is too great
3. This isnt a simple black and white world...Good/Evil with no grey areas...theres a little bit more to it than that
4. People arent born evil....
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
ange7
24-02-2009, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
by definition psychopaths have no concept of good/evil. How can they be evil if they lack the ability to judge.... dude... they are nuts. That's a mental prob are a chemical imbalance hehe lol Tom thinks someone is a psychopaths because they are ( say it in a scary voice) EVIL!
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.
ange7
24-02-2009, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.
this
1. makes no sense,
2 doesn't back up your point
3 is actually wrong because learning new things PHYSICALLY changes the brain so "You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently" ...( lol) is wrong
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
I disagree.
Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.
And brain abnormalities aside, you'll find most psychopaths have very disturbed/abusive upbringings that determine whether they go on to commit horrendous crimes against people...its not just a case of being born with that set of brain abnormalities...I've been to a few lectures on psychopaths...and what Ange said
ange7
24-02-2009, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently e.g. language not processing in the right place. Psychopaths have natural brain abnormalities, you can't learn abnormalities.
And brain abnormalities aside, you'll find most psychopaths have very disturbed/abusive upbringings that determine whether they go on to commit horrendous crimes against people...its not just a case of being born with that set of brain abnormalities...I've been to a few lectures on psychopaths...and what Ange said
awww your degree on the subject scared Tom off hehe ... thought we were in for some entertainment there.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
I disagree.
Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.
I disagree and have studied criminal behaviour quite a bit...you dont inherit a psychopath gene...its part brain abnormality of course but experience especially in childhood) plays a large part in moulding the behaviour of someone in later life
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
I disagree.
Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.
I disagree and have studied criminal behaviour quite a bit...you dont inherit a psychopath gene...its part brain abnormality of course but experience especially in childhood) plays a large part in moulding the behaviour of someone in later life
Okay, I agree with you in the fact that experiences in childhood could make you into a psychopath but psychopathic tendencies are past on from genes.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 01:48 PM
In fact I've met a few disturbed people in my time and I'll stand by "made not born that way" forever more
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
4. People arent born evil....
What about psychopaths?
made
I disagree.
Psychopaths aren't made. Infact I think it was proven that psychopathic tendencies are largely inherited from family members and you're more likely to pass on these tendencies if you have children yourself.
I disagree and have studied criminal behaviour quite a bit...you dont inherit a psychopath gene...its part brain abnormality of course but experience especially in childhood) plays a large part in moulding the behaviour of someone in later life
Okay, I agree with you in the fact that experiences in childhood could make you into a psychopath but psychopathic tendencies are past on from genes.
A predisposition maybe thats all. And the brain abnormalities found in psychopaths could be formed from experience as Ange said, brain chemistry/makeup is constantly changing neurons connecting, disconnecting and stuff. But for sure without the experience there will be no psychopathic killer...
Originally posted by ange7
this
1. makes no sense,
2 doesn't back up your point
3 is actually wrong because learning new things PHYSICALLY changes the brain so "You can't be made to have your brain functioning differently" ...( lol) is wrong
It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not.
Psychopaths process their language differently, instead of being processed in the left or right hemisphere (I've forgotten which) its processed in both hemispheres. Their brain structure is different, just as it is with gay people. Its something that is there from birth, not something that can be changed over time.
Some psychopaths are very normal people, had a great upbringing etc, good circle of friends. Some also are very charming, rarely commit any crimes but when they do its random acts of violence and usually quite bad. Google The Kray Twins if you don't know about them.
But in actual fact we're both right. There are three types of psychopaths:
Primary psychopaths- ones who appear normal but have different brain structures, basically what I've already said
Secondary psychopaths- ones who learn violent behaviour
Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems
I'm not doubting that some of it is nurture at all, I'm just saying some are born that way. Also some people think that personality traits are inherited so it could have a party to play in secondary and dyssocial psychopaths but thats open to debate.
And ange, a degree doesn't scare me, its something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology so its something I'm interested in so I won't run off scared :spin2:
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 03:47 PM
You might change your opinion when you start it mate. The brain structure isnt fixed at birth. Most criminal psychopaths have had disturbed childhood/abnormal relationships with parent/s...Its on the psychological profiling criteria list thingy
But what about the few that haven't? Where do they get it from?
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Tom
But what about the few that haven't? Where do they get it from?
How do we know they havent? There will be some significant experiences along with some kind of learning/brain functioning disorder of somekind
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
Dom:D
24-02-2009, 03:55 PM
:shrug: I'm stumped
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people:bigsmile:
ange7
24-02-2009, 04:11 PM
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"
!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.
"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.
ange7
24-02-2009, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
lol ... they have no moral nor ethical code but you assume that those studying them might gain their data based on the honour system. Mate they don't gather data in these studies by hoping the individual tells the truth. Why would you even assume that?
ange7
24-02-2009, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people:bigsmile:
oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe
Originally posted by ange7
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"
!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.
"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.
Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before :spin2:
I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 04:19 PM
I was just going to add something along those lines heheh...this is based on rigorous collection of data by professional Psychologists
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people:bigsmile:
oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe
Heheh...I've already let that one out the bag...I have since moved away from the city though to a secret location lol
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
lol ... they have no moral nor ethical code but you assume that those studying them might gain their data based on the honour system. Mate they don't gather data in these studies by hoping the individual tells the truth. Why would you even assume that?
How else do you get an insight into the minds of people? I know there are loads of other tests they do on the person such as personality tests like EPI and PCL, interviews, observation, history etc but ultimately it all comes down to what they tell you, and if they tell themselves something enough whether its true or not, given their mental state how do you know they don't start to believe it?
Its quite obvious what you're doing here, just pointlessly adding nothing to the argument and supporting one who has more knowledge on it (which I won't deny if hes got a degree in it) in an attempt to try and make me come out looking worse. I'd rather debate it with someone who knows what they're on about than you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"
!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.
"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.
Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before :spin2:
I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.
But point is noone is born a psychopath...they are a psychopath and that is their destiny no matter what. It is the experiences they have along with any abnormality of mind they may/maynot have that shapes them
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 04:24 PM
oooh handbags lol...And Im not a man, how very dare you!:nono:
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"
!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.
"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.
Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before :spin2:
I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.
But point is noone is born a psychopath...they are a psychopath and that is their destiny no matter what. It is the experiences they have along with any abnormality of mind they may/maynot have that shapes them
I'm not saying its their destiny, I just think that some people might be born with a different brain structure to others which gives them psychopathic tendencies. It doesn't mean they will become a psychopath, but they are more likely to than others. A fair comparison to make is an EPI, which says that if you're a neurotic extrovert then you have criminal tendencies, but it doesn't mean you will become a criminal.
NettoSuperstar!
24-02-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
"It does back up my point. Psychopaths have brain abnormalities, and abnormalities are not made, they are either there or they're not."
lol ... then this
"Dyssocial psychopaths- ones who commit crimes due to severe emotional problems"
!!??!! your arguing against yourself... see how you contradicted yourself?...you went off into google... got an argument ... then went off into google then got another point but it was from some other place that contradicted your first ....
I'm with Netto's "You might change your opinion when you start it mate." ie your degree.
"something I'm starting myself in September/October in Psychology & Criminology"
ie which you haven't started yet.
Its stuff I know, I've learnt it all very in depth before :spin2:
I'm not arguing against myself at all if you read the post properly and not selectively.
But point is noone is born a psychopath...they are a psychopath and that is their destiny no matter what. It is the experiences they have along with any abnormality of mind they may/maynot have that shapes them
I'm not saying its their destiny, I just think that some people might be born with a different brain structure to others which gives them psychopathic tendencies. It doesn't mean they will become a psychopath, but they are more likely to than others. A fair comparison to make is an EPI, which says that if you're a neurotic extrovert then you have criminal tendencies, but it doesn't mean you will become a criminal.
yes...soooo made not born! I win:tongue:
Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not :joker:
I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way :tongue:
ange7
24-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
lol ... they have no moral nor ethical code but you assume that those studying them might gain their data based on the honour system. Mate they don't gather data in these studies by hoping the individual tells the truth. Why would you even assume that?
How else do you get an insight into the minds of people? I know there are loads of other tests they do on the person such as personality tests like EPI and PCL, interviews, observation, history etc but ultimately it all comes down to what they tell you, and if they tell themselves something enough whether its true or not, given their mental state how do you know they don't start to believe it?
Its quite obvious what you're doing here, just pointlessly adding nothing to the argument and supporting one who has more knowledge on it (which I won't deny if hes got a degree in it) in an attempt to try and make me come out looking worse. I'd rather debate it with someone who knows what they're on about than you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject.
mahahaha even Ross owned you :P
Shaun
24-02-2009, 04:36 PM
In principle, I'm against the whole "an eye for an eye" philosophy, and therefore against the death penalty. However, I think that I'd have a very different perspective should one of my friends/family be murdered.
That said, a few years ago my cousin was stabbed to death. Do I wish the perpetrator to be sentenced to death? No. I could never forgive him for what he did, but I feel there's absolutely nothing to gain from that sort of punishment.
As for serial killers and psychopaths - I was watching Loose Women recently and there was the debate over whether or not the Yorkshire Ripper (I forget his real name) should be released. Anyway, I believe it was Lesley Garrett (on the show, not the yorkshire ripper lmao) who I was agreeing with most: we should look to learn from these sorts of people to see if we can build upon our knowledge of them, possibly preventing other examples in the future.
The attitude taken by the other two, who were just the typical "The Sun" readers loudly shouting "KILL 'EM, THEY'RE *******ING MONSTERS!!!!" is just as abhorrent as the murderers themselves.
Originally posted by ange7
mahahaha even Ross owned you :P
1) Where?
2) What relevance does that have?
3) Ross was agreeing with what I was trying to say
4) That shows your level of maturity in debates
andyman
25-02-2009, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people:bigsmile:
oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe
Heheh...I've already let that one out the bag...I have since moved away from the city though to a secret location lol Sydney?
NettoSuperstar!
25-02-2009, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Tom
Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not :joker:
I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way :tongue:
Yes but mostly made!...The extent to which brain structure/genes make someone a psychopath is minor...and nice one Shauno good point mate!
NettoSuperstar!
25-02-2009, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
They might have. They might not have.
By definition psychopaths are compulsive liars so how do you know they aren't lying about a disturbed upbringing?
There will be other evidence not just reports from them...look at any serial killers background. Paul Brittons a good read if your interested in Criminal Psychology, hes worked on a few high profile cases...and hes from Leicester like all the best people:bigsmile:
oops Leicester ...psychos trying to track netto down take note hehe
Heheh...I've already let that one out the bag...I have since moved away from the city though to a secret location lol Sydney?
Haha not that far!
ange7
25-02-2009, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
mahahaha even Ross owned you :P
1) Where?
2) What relevance does that have?
3) Ross was agreeing with what I was trying to say
4) That shows your level of maturity in debates
zzzz...as mature as your personal attacks eg
"you who is clearly clueless on the whole subject". awwww thou art own-ED
ange7
25-02-2009, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Shaun
In principle, I'm against the whole "an eye for an eye" philosophy, and therefore against the death penalty. However, I think that I'd have a very different perspective should one of my friends/family be murdered.
That said, a few years ago my cousin was stabbed to death. Do I wish the perpetrator to be sentenced to death? No. I could never forgive him for what he did, but I feel there's absolutely nothing to gain from that sort of punishment.
As for serial killers and psychopaths - I was watching Loose Women recently and there was the debate over whether or not the Yorkshire Ripper (I forget his real name) should be released. Anyway, I believe it was Lesley Garrett (on the show, not the yorkshire ripper lmao) who I was agreeing with most: we should look to learn from these sorts of people to see if we can build upon our knowledge of them, possibly preventing other examples in the future.
The attitude taken by the other two, who were just the typical "The Sun" readers loudly shouting "KILL 'EM, THEY'RE *******ING MONSTERS!!!!" is just as abhorrent as the murderers themselves.
I agree
yeah...nice work Shaun ....
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not :joker:
I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way :tongue:
Yes but mostly made!...The extent to which brain structure/genes make someone a psychopath is minor...and nice one Shauno good point mate!
Mostly made, so you admit it isn't 100% nurture? :tongue:
I don't get why I was brought into it :S
Originally posted by Ross
I don't get why I was brought into it :S
I don't either especially as we had the same view point :conf2:
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Ross
I don't get why I was brought into it :S
I don't either especially as we had the same view point :conf2:
I know.
Oh well... ange7 likes to have arguements for fun.
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NettoSuperstar!
26-02-2009, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Actually ... draw, because I think you can be born with the mental structure to become a psychopath, some might, some might not :joker:
I think its a cross between nature and nurture which is what I've been trying to say all along but because of how it started it didn't come across that way :tongue:
Yes but mostly made!...The extent to which brain structure/genes make someone a psychopath is minor...and nice one Shauno good point mate!
Mostly made, so you admit it isn't 100% nurture? :tongue:
I admitted that but a psychopath isnt born that way, experience is key. Brain structure is shaped by enviroment and experience from way back in the womb onwards...and interactions between that development and experience/enviroment shape behaviour/personality.
ange7
26-02-2009, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Ross
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Ross
I don't get why I was brought into it :S
I don't either especially as we had the same view point :conf2:
I know.
Oh well... ange7 likes to have arguements for fun.
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that's very true ... I love debating a point of view ....lol who doesn't? ...wait...I know who...
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