Debate a statement//New topic- Having an abortion is wrong

[Lewis.]

Every week a new statement will be posted for us to debate

Week 1 debate: All rapists should be hung
Week 2 debate: Abortion is wrong

What do you think about abortion then? Do you think it is right or wrong? Debate about it here!

I think that Abortion is not 100% wrong. It all depends on the situation for me. What do you think?

[arista]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
We were discussing this statement in my GCSE Phsycology class the other day and i wanted to know what you think of this statement and whether you agree to it or not?

The majority of my class agreed to the statement but a few people didn't. I totally agree with this statement to be honest, It is absolutley sickening to force someone to have sexual intercourse with you, making them do things that in some cases, they may not understand. I think it should come under torture and that people who do rape, should be killed. Just by locking them up for a few years, does not mean they are not going to do it again. It is the same with any crime, but rape is a crime that should not be repeated. I find it horrible that the average time a person will get in jail if they rape somebody is3-5 Years (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_go_to_jail_for_statutory_rape)


Injection Death is better
Of course it needs to be Voted in.
The Only fast way it would come into the UK
is a World War.

[andyman]

:shocked: You want to kill people?

[Lewis.]

^^ Or as Arista says, Ingection death. But the whole idea is Death. The hanging part was just a word for, Death.

I personally think that if it came into voting with the Public, then it would happen. People these days do not agree to rape and many i have spoken to say that they think rapists should be killed. We need to teach these people a lesson, that they are not allowed to do this and if they do, they must suffer the consequences

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by andyman
:shocked: You want to kill people?

Rapists. I mean, if they are proven to have raped somebody then in my opinion they have tortured somebody and should be tortured back

[andyman]

What is a worry that you still want to kill people...

Rape is not like murder, plus a woman could crywolf... If a man and woman have sex and she then turns round and reports it as rape...

[Lewis.]

I agree to that, But forensics can tell whether the woman was actually raped, or not. As you may have noticed, i am a strong believer in Capital punishment, and think that with it, we can get rid of all of the phcycos and then we would not be hearing about Murders or rape, on the news and people would be able to live their lives, knowing that the chance of them going out onto the street and getting picked up and raped, would decrease, because people know what will happen, or they have already been kiled

[andyman]

lol... And how can they say if its rape or not if two adults have had sex?
Having barbaric laws will not help and no legal system is perfect!

[*mazedsalv**]

For me, I'd say let them go to jail for life and make them stay there until they die and that will be a slow painful death, the same for if you are in jail for killing someone, dont kill them, make them suffer.

[Magic]

I thought you were like year 7 not GCSE hehe.

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by Samuel
I thought you were like year 7 not GCSE hehe.

Most people did. :joker: I am in my first year of GCSE

[Fom]

Its 'hanged' not 'hung'
When using the word to say you are hanging a coat it is 'hung' when hanging a person its 'hanged'

A weird part of the british language, but its my fave fact so I had to correct you:laugh:

[Captain.Remy]

Either death sentence or cutting their balls off.
Same predicament for paedophiles.

[Jen]

I hate you Fom, you got there before me.

[Tom]

No, they should be set on fire then extinguished before they die and live with that for the rest of their life. Sadistic but good :eureka:

[Jake!]

No, torture is just fine.

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and the wrongly convicted?

[arista]

Originally posted by Jake!
No, torture is just fine.
http://www.georgevreilly.com/blog/content/binary/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb-tm.jpg


Yanks doing Torture.



You do not want that Evil Road.

[NettoSuperstar!]

...and the fact that we have evolved to a point (most of us) where we dont just act on our emotions but we use logic and reasoning to decide what is the best thing to do.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by Jake!
No, torture is just fine.
http://www.georgevreilly.com/blog/content/binary/iraq-torture-dogs-thumb-tm.jpg


Yanks doing Torture.



You do not want that Evil Road.

Obviously not Torture Torture like Saw. ****s sake people take words to literally. I mean let em live with what they done. Mental torture obv. God sake.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
I agree to that, But forensics can tell whether the woman was actually raped, or not. As you may have noticed, i am a strong believer in Capital punishment, and think that with it, we can get rid of all of the phcycos and then we would not be hearing about Murders or rape, on the news and people would be able to live their lives, knowing that the chance of them going out onto the street and getting picked up and raped, would decrease, because people know what will happen, or they have already been kiled

And in America where they have the death penalty...they also have high murder/rape rates. Hmmm yeh really works then??

How about we keep them in humane conditions and try and understand why they did it, dont you think that might help us prevent more cases in future?

[Tom]

They should start using cattle prods and burn "RAPIST" into their foreheads. Then we'd see a reduction :tongue:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Tom!!...and you call yourself a christian? tut tut...what would Jesus say?

[Tom]

I'm not though ... :tongue:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Noone want to answer my questions then? We not into having a reasoned debate on this thread?

[Lewis.]

But, with time, People will start to realise that if they commit a murder then they will be punished. Personally i think Rape should be punished with death, Along with murder and torture. If not punished with Death, then why not show the rapist what it feels like to be raped? Why not put them into a room with an old man and let them feel how it feels to be raped. These crimes cannot carry on and people are not going to learn unless there is a Strict punishment, to scare them from commiting rape

[NettoSuperstar!]

they probably know already what its like to be raped/abused! thats why they do it!

And the US/other places have had the death penalty for years and it hasnt helped one bit

We're beginning to realise (through scientific study) that punishment like hanging etc doesnt work. trying to understand why people did it and rehabilitation works better. Although there are some sex offenders that should be removed from society to protect us until they are no longer a risk....I dont agree they should be treated inhumanely.

[Lewis.]

But they need to be taught that what they are doing is wrong and destroys many peoples Confidence. I think that just locking them up in a room with Xbox 360's and tv, Is not going to make them learn! They need to be cruely punished and hurt, People need to destroy their confidence. An eye for an eye

[Lewis.]

After seeing that you have edited your post: The only way to protect society from the person, is to get rid of them. People are paying money everyday to keep horrible rapists alive in jail and make them nice and comfy. I don't have a ps3. I don't have an Xbox 360. But my Mum is still paying tax thoughout the year to keep these criminals alive and pay for their Xbox 360s and Ps3s. I think that if they are too bad for society then they should be gotten rid of

[NettoSuperstar!]

Removing them from society is enough, some of them have been abused as children, should we really be carrying on the cycle? abusing them more only makes them worse.

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Removing them from society is enough, some of them have been abused as children, should we really be carrying on the cycle? abusing them more only makes them worse.

Then kill them?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
After seeing that you have edited your post: The only way to protect society from the person, is to get rid of them. People are paying money everyday to keep horrible rapists alive in jail and make them nice and comfy. I don't have a ps3. I don't have an Xbox 360. But my Mum is still paying tax thoughout the year to keep these criminals alive and pay for their Xbox 360s and Ps3s. I think that if they are too bad for society then they should be gotten rid of

Lewis we are learning and understanding how they came to do these crimes...it has enhanced our understanding of criminal behaviour, which has helped catch offenders and develop our knowledge of risk. Hopefully it will help us prevent these kinds of crimes from happening again. Kill them, that vital knowledge is gone

[Fom]

You don't get the death penalty for rape anyway, that kind of sentence is for multiple murders or murdering children. You have to do a lot to be put on the death penalty, they don't just give it anyone.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Removing them from society is enough, some of them have been abused as children, should we really be carrying on the cycle? abusing them more only makes them worse.

Then kill them?

Have you heard of Offender profiling? helps us to catch criminals...if we didnt learn from them we wouldnt have that information.

[NettoSuperstar!]

also...what about people who are wrongly convicted?

[Fom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
also...what about people who are wrongly convicted?

See... there is no way out of that, but to be fair if they didn't get put too death they would be spending a long time in prison wasting away their innocent life. No easy way out of that, its gonna be bad either way.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Bad unless they are lucky and get released...some do. nothing as bad as death. Theyd be blood on our hands

[30stone]

You tourture someone then when they come out of prison chances are they would be mentaly scarred more so than when they raped some one, and are more likely to commit another crime.

As for death, would you really want to an innocent man to actually die? there are still cases where they get the wrong person.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
We were discussing this statement in my GCSE Phsycology class the other day and i wanted to know what you think of this statement and whether you agree to it or not?

The majority of my class agreed to the statement but a few people didn't. I totally agree with this statement to be honest, It is absolutley sickening to force someone to have sexual intercourse with you, making them do things that in some cases, they may not understand. I think it should come under torture and that people who do rape, should be killed. Just by locking them up for a few years, does not mean they are not going to do it again. It is the same with any crime, but rape is a crime that should not be repeated. I find it horrible that the average time a person will get in jail if they rape somebody is3-5 Years (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_go_to_jail_for_statutory_rape)
:shocked: you scare the ***** out of me...

[arista]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Lewis:)
We were discussing this statement in my GCSE Phsycology class the other day and i wanted to know what you think of this statement and whether you agree to it or not?

The majority of my class agreed to the statement but a few people didn't. I totally agree with this statement to be honest, It is absolutley sickening to force someone to have sexual intercourse with you, making them do things that in some cases, they may not understand. I think it should come under torture and that people who do rape, should be killed. Just by locking them up for a few years, does not mean they are not going to do it again. It is the same with any crime, but rape is a crime that should not be repeated. I find it horrible that the average time a person will get in jail if they rape somebody is3-5 Years (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_go_to_jail_for_statutory_rape)
:shocked: you scare the **** out of me...



Its OK Ange
unless we get a World War
these Laws will not come in.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
But, with time, People will start to realise that if they commit a murder then they will be punished. Personally i think Rape should be punished with death, Along with murder and torture. If not punished with Death, then why not show the rapist what it feels like to be raped? Why not put them into a room with an old man and let them feel how it feels to be raped. These crimes cannot carry on and people are not going to learn unless there is a Strict punishment, to scare them from commiting rape


I'm sorry to be the one to bring this up, but at age 13, I find it absolutely shocking that you have an opinion like that.

[arista]

Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by Lewis:)
But, with time, People will start to realise that if they commit a murder then they will be punished. Personally i think Rape should be punished with death, Along with murder and torture. If not punished with Death, then why not show the rapist what it feels like to be raped? Why not put them into a room with an old man and let them feel how it feels to be raped. These crimes cannot carry on and people are not going to learn unless there is a Strict punishment, to scare them from commiting rape


I'm sorry to be the one to bring this up, but at age 13, I find it absolutely shocking that you have an opinion like that.


You will have to see it like a BluRay 1080P Disc Movie
Rated 18.

[Deirdre]

Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by Lewis:)
But, with time, People will start to realise that if they commit a murder then they will be punished. Personally i think Rape should be punished with death, Along with murder and torture. If not punished with Death, then why not show the rapist what it feels like to be raped? Why not put them into a room with an old man and let them feel how it feels to be raped. These crimes cannot carry on and people are not going to learn unless there is a Strict punishment, to scare them from commiting rape


I'm sorry to be the one to bring this up, but at age 13, I find it absolutely shocking that you have an opinion like that.
I agree. I don't see how anyone can see how it's ok to rape someone after they've done it to someone else. Isn't that just telling them it's ok to rape?

As for the death penalty, I don't agree with it. These rapists don't want to spend the rest of their live in jail. I'm sure they'd rather die. And that's exactly what you'd be giving to them. But I think the answer is longer sentences. 3-5 years for raping someone is way too short.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by lili
Originally posted by Lewis:)
But, with time, People will start to realise that if they commit a murder then they will be punished. Personally i think Rape should be punished with death, Along with murder and torture. If not punished with Death, then why not show the rapist what it feels like to be raped? Why not put them into a room with an old man and let them feel how it feels to be raped. These crimes cannot carry on and people are not going to learn unless there is a Strict punishment, to scare them from commiting rape


I'm sorry to be the one to bring this up, but at age 13, I find it absolutely shocking that you have an opinion like that.

Im more worried about what theyre teaching him in class!

[andyman]

Lewis! Would you watch them die?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
For me, I'd say let them go to jail for life and make them stay there until they die and that will be a slow painful death, the same for if you are in jail for killing someone, dont kill them, make them suffer.


Sorry but its the tax payer that suffers and those that die because money is spent on criminals in prison instead of the sick......

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
For me, I'd say let them go to jail for life and make them stay there until they die and that will be a slow painful death, the same for if you are in jail for killing someone, dont kill them, make them suffer.


Sorry but its the tax payer that suffers and those that die because money is spent on criminals in prison instead of the sick......

Money is spent on rehabilitation and learning how to detect and prevent future crimes. Is that a waste? ...and its not "instead" of the sick. And they have to have some system of priveleges to keep order.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
We were discussing this statement in my GCSE Phsycology class the other day and i wanted to know what you think of this statement and whether you agree to it or not?

The majority of my class agreed to the statement but a few people didn't. I totally agree with this statement to be honest, It is absolutley sickening to force someone to have sexual intercourse with you, making them do things that in some cases, they may not understand. I think it should come under torture and that people who do rape, should be killed. Just by locking them up for a few years, does not mean they are not going to do it again. It is the same with any crime, but rape is a crime that should not be repeated. I find it horrible that the average time a person will get in jail if they rape somebody is3-5 Years (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_can_you_go_to_jail_for_statutory_rape)


Sentencing values in this country are indeed based on insane thinking by the panel that decide on such.

On topic. You cannot put Rape as horrible as it is above murder........You cannot execute rapists but not murderers......

Also Rape is so easily contrived by a bitter woman that it would almost certainly be the case that false accusiations would result in many unjustified executions......

No. To bring in the death penality for rape would be the height of crass stupidity.....But i agree sentencing is far to lenient.......But accused/convicted rapists must be kept alive in case the rapist is a victim of a womans revenge for something...


Forensics can only indicate intamacy it cannot indicate rape unless possible anatomical damge in some cases proves otherwise.

The death sentence should be introduced for cold blooded murderers........Drug peddlers and dealers should also be aotomatically executed regardless of the nature of the drugs

Recreational drug takers and those that brainwash religion into children should be birched until their flesh drops off......

[Lewis.]

New statement to debate :)

[arista]

banarama

'Until there Flesh Drops off' ???


Maybe you should work in the Turkey Prisons.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lewis:)
New statement to debate :)

Yes. People shouldn't be killed simply because they are an inconvenience. Its their fault they are having a baby, they should deal with it!

[bronaaaa]

I'm a bit split on this one, I don't agree with abortion as it's basically killing someone, like there's a heartbeat and all early on, like the baby doesn't deserve to have its life ended, like Tom said, just becasue its an inconveinence. Like you might aswell have it and put it up for adoption so it has a chance in life.
But if you were raped, you wouldn't want a living reminder of what happened, like you'd find it harder to love that child because of the way it was conceived. Aswell, for teenagers, having a baby at 13\14\15 can really mess up your education. There's a girl from my town due a few weeks before her GCSE's and it must be awful for the likes of her.

[Lewis.]

I am split too. If it is a normal person in a normal love life and a happy family wanting one, then they should not be allowed. But if it is someone who was raped, or really young, then i agree that Abortions should be used

[30stone]

Lewis if they want a baby they ent going to have an abortion though?


Also i agree with abortions, when its just a few cells because thats what it is for a while..
And if you dont want a baby or didnt plan for one i dont see why not, you have to make a big decision 9 months of your life where you are limited to what you can do, and your body changes for longer.

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
Lewis if they want a baby they ent going to have an abortion though?


Also i agree with abortions, when its just a few cells because thats what it is for a while..
And if you dont want a baby or didnt plan for one i dont see why not, you have to make a big decision 9 months of your life where you are limited to what you can do, and your body changes for longer.

I mean like, If they have broken up with the partner, but are still friends

[mizzy25]

Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
Lewis if they want a baby they ent going to have an abortion though?


Also i agree with abortions, when its just a few cells because thats what it is for a while..
And if you dont want a baby or didnt plan for one i dont see why not, you have to make a big decision 9 months of your life where you are limited to what you can do, and your body changes for longer.

its not just 9 months its the rest of your life as well

[Vicky.]

banarama

'Until there Flesh Drops off' ???


Maybe you should work in the Turkey Prisons.

:joker::joker::joker:

I actually LOLed at this. I woke gav up and now hes twisting on about me not sleeping again :D

[Stacey.]

in most situation abortion is wrong...
youre killing someone!!
surely thats wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it is killing an innocent person for convenience.

( and if you are to mention rape then please do so using numbers)

[WOMBAI]

Whatever a person's views - in the end - no-one has the right to tell another person what to do with their own body.

Even today - giving birth is a risk and could lead to complications and even death. Absolutely no-one has the right to put another person in that situation against their will -nevermind the moral implications of a person's individual choice.

[atieah2009]

For me, I'd say let them go to jail for life and make them stay there until they die and that will be a slow painful death, the same for if you are in jail for killing someone, dont kill them, make them suffer.

Bang on.

[Niamh.]

You see I don't know there.... it's not black and white in certain situations. What about rape victims?

You're right there Setanta it's such a grey subject really, I rarly even get into arguments about it! I lean more on the side of disagreeing with abortion and I'd like to think I would never have one, but having said that I've never been raped so how could I say with 100% honesty how I would feel or what I would do then? It's the people who almost use abortion as a form of contraception really piss me off though.

[setanta]

You're right there Setanta it's such a grey subject really, I rarly even get into arguments about it! I lean more on the side of disagreeing with abortion and I'd like to think I would never have one, but having said that I've never been raped so how could I say with 100% honesty how I would feel or what I would do then? It's the people who almost use abortion as a form of contraception really piss me off though.

Ah yeah, that's true. I have the same problem with people who are irresponsible when it concerns birth control but I do think there would always be certain situations where it would be difficult to know what to do.

[Stu]

Is Abortion wrong? In my opinion, yes, it is. But is it any of my business? No, it's not. End of argument. So you could say I am anti abortion and pro choice.

A heartbeat is a very instinctual, physical expression of life. Chickens have heartbeats. What gets aborted is not capable of cognitive thinking, therefore it is not yet fully human in my eyes.

If you want to debate intelligence, then pigs, sheep, cows, kangaroos and a few hundred thousand other species of animal are all far more aware of the world, far more alive, and far more knowing than a little foetus in vitro.