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Shaun
11-03-2009, 11:25 PM
I'm sure a topic on the Westboro Baptist Church has been posted before, as they've gained quite a lot of notoriety and infamy. They're basically a religious group (of which the Phelps family are the focal point) in Kansas, USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
There was a documentary recently done with Louis Theroux, as well as other media appearances on the Jeremy Kyle Show, countless CNN interviews and
Phelps Sr., his supporters and members of his church attend the aforementioned gatherings, as well as other gay-related events, with signs bearing anti-gay slogans. Phelps Sr. has characterized the AIDS Memorial Quilt as "100,000 living fags slobberin' around 45,000 dead fags" and declared Elizabeth Taylor, a fundraiser for AIDS research, to be a "world-famous filthy Jew *****." Other regular anti-gay slogans of Westboro include "Homosexuality = Death," "Fags Die, God Laughs," "Matthew Shepard Rots in Hell," "AIDS: Kills Fags Dead" and "Ellen DeGeneres is a Lesbian Slut."
In July 2005 the Westboro Baptist Church declared its intention to picket the memorial service of Cpl. Carrie French in Boise, Idaho. French, aged 19 years old, was killed on June 5 in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk, where she served as an ammunition specialist with the 116th Brigade Combat Team's 145th Support Battalion. Her death is seen by the church as divine punishment of the United States. Phelps Sr. was quoted as saying, "Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is [that] the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime."
The Westboro Baptist Church declared its intention to picket the funerals of other soldiers as well, and did so in August 2005. A group from the church protested at the funeral of Spc. Edward Myers, a soldier from St. Joseph, Missouri, who died in Iraq. Shirley Phelps-Roper (one of Phelps Sr.'s daughters and the main author of the WBC Epics and Hate Letters) told a television reporter, "Who would serve a nation that is Godless and has flipped off, defiantly defied, defiantly flipped off, the Lord their God?" She then reiterated her belief that Myers was burning in Hell.
According to the same wikipedia page, they are (thankfully) banned from entering the UK after intending to picket the production of "The Laramie Project", a play about the homophobic killing of Matthew Shepard.
Now, onto how this gets into a debate - should freedom of speech be allowed in this case?
[edit - changed the title of the thread because it'll get more attention :P]
arista
12-03-2009, 07:33 AM
There is No God , anyway.
and this is very typical of America.
Sticks
12-03-2009, 07:55 AM
It should be noted that various Baptist organisations have disowned and dissassociated themselves from this group
:yuk:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I don't think people should be so vocal about opinions that might cause mass upset when all of their beliefs rely on God and the bible, for which there is just as much evidence to suggest against than for.
Shaun
12-03-2009, 04:53 PM
Sorry Sticks, should have mentioned that.
arista
12-03-2009, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Picto
Sorry Sticks, should have mentioned that.
Picto you are clever
you need this book.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CR1BZ2E0L._SS500_.jpg
30stone
12-03-2009, 04:57 PM
I thought this would be about ciggarettes then lol.
Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
I thought this would be about ciggarettes then lol.
Me too, when I saw the title. Lol. :blush2:
Sod_James
12-03-2009, 05:00 PM
Harsh.
but o well. im not botherd.
Proud to be gay and if God doesnt like it then he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as im botherd.
arista
12-03-2009, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Sod_James
Harsh.
but o well. Im not botherd.
Proud to be gay and if God doesnt like it then he can go take a long walk off a short pier as far as Im botherd.
Your doing OK SJ
and there is NO God.
Sticks
12-03-2009, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by arista
Picto you are clever
you need this book.
How about this book
http://middletome.com/dawkins.jpg
Available from amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dawkins-Delusion-Atheist-Fundamentalism-Denial/dp/0281059276/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236878507&sr=8-1)
:whistle:
arista
12-03-2009, 05:27 PM
Sticks
You know there is No God.
BigOz
12-03-2009, 05:32 PM
I am belive in god, but I don't go to church, pray, etc.
DamonJ
12-03-2009, 05:36 PM
I hate them too. Filthy queers :tongue:
Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by arista
Picto you are clever
you need this book.
How about this book
http://middletome.com/dawkins.jpg
Available from amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dawkins-Delusion-Atheist-Fundamentalism-Denial/dp/0281059276/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236878507&sr=8-1)
:whistle:
God doesn't exist on the grounds of the inconsistent triad. That immediately pulls apart the idea of God, so if there is a God he isn't perfect, so does he really deserve worship? And thats before you read stuff. Most other things have some kind of alternative explanation.
GhettoSuperstar
12-03-2009, 05:50 PM
God is dead so, up his!!! NAHNAHNAH!
Not that he was real in the first place.
Liessssssssssssss.
Shaun
12-03-2009, 05:58 PM
I don't think anyone's taking my debate seriously :sad:
I absolutely hate groups of nut cases like the Westboro Baptist Church. I am not a Christian, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
If God really hated gay people, why do they exist? You can transfer this argument onto anything "evil" in the world - why does war exist? Why does poverty exist? Why do degenerative mental/physical illnesses exist? Why do people feel the need to categorise themselves as better/worse than others?
That does not take into account whether or not God is real, that is simply an argument that if God exists, clearly these things do not go against "His word" because He allows them to exist still.
I just think people need to learn some common courtesy; those morons have no respect for anything, I mean picketing is one thing but picketing a funeral? It makes me so angry that people could have such a lack of respect to intrude on a funeral. It's groups like them that ensure I'll never truly respect religion, I respect people who are religious, so long as they do not try to impose their views on me, because I find their commitment to religion absolutely brilliant, and whether or not God is real, I think any kind of long term commitment like that is always a good thing.
:sad:
I would, but I don't believe in God.
MrGaryy
12-03-2009, 06:05 PM
I would still by by that freedom of speech should be allowed in this case. Anyone with a bit of sense can see that these people are total extremists and as gay it in no way bothers me if they feel the need air their opinions.
Besides if there was a Jesus, it certainly isn't the time of our Lord anymore so it's not like if one deluded group of people say this it will change public consensus.
MrGaryy
12-03-2009, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Zee
I absolutely hate groups of nut cases like the Westboro Baptist Church. I am not a Christian, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
If God really hated gay people, why do they exist? You can transfer this argument onto anything "evil" in the world - why does war exist? Why does poverty exist? Why do degenerative mental/physical illnesses exist? Why do people feel the need to categorise themselves as better/worse than others?
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Well I'm not particularly knowledgable on the subject but referring to poverty and war, the reason they exist is because they are a result of poor or evil decisions and actions. God gave all free will to make their own decisions, right or wrong.
The gay and mental illness thing is unexplainable.
I just don't get relegion anyways :/
There were loads of relegions before Christianity so why should one just be randomly written and everyone believes it. Noone belives in Greek or Eygptian gods anymore buttt what makes them so much more far fetched than a Christian god?
hmm
Originally posted by Gazbo
Originally posted by Zee
I absolutely hate groups of nut cases like the Westboro Baptist Church. I am not a Christian, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
If God really hated gay people, why do they exist? You can transfer this argument onto anything "evil" in the world - why does war exist? Why does poverty exist? Why do degenerative mental/physical illnesses exist? Why do people feel the need to categorise themselves as better/worse than others?
.
Well I'm not particularly knowledgable on the subject but referring to poverty and war, the reason they exist is because they are a result of poor or evil decisions and actions. God gave all free will to make their own decisions, right or wrong.
The gay and mental illness thing is unexplainable.
I was generally just meaning "why doesn't He fix it if it bothers him so much?" I get what you're saying though, but yeah, I just don't think these people can justify being so over the top in their actions; what do they expect to achieve that God hasn't done? I'm fairly sure that counts as blasphemy, actually...
Originally posted by Zee
I absolutely hate groups of nut cases like the Westboro Baptist Church. I am not a Christian, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
If God really hated gay people, why do they exist? You can transfer this argument onto anything "evil" in the world - why does war exist? Why does poverty exist? Why do degenerative mental/physical illnesses exist? Why do people feel the need to categorise themselves as better/worse than others?
That does not take into account whether or not God is real, that is simply an argument that if God exists, clearly these things do not go against "His word" because He allows them to exist still.
I just think people need to learn some common courtesy; those morons have no respect for anything, I mean picketing is one thing but picketing a funeral? It makes me so angry that people could have such a lack of respect to intrude on a funeral. It's groups like them that ensure I'll never truly respect religion, I respect people who are religious, so long as they do not try to impose their views on me, because I find their commitment to religion absolutely brilliant, and whether or not God is real, I think any kind of long term commitment like that is always a good thing.
The argument is apparently because God has given us free will to do what we like (although that completely contradicts the idea that God has a plan for us all) and we will appreciate the positives more because we know what the negatives are like. Thats as well as this world being some kind of "test" for our morals and whether we go to heaven, hell, purgatory or whatever, although God is also apparently merciful which means everyone will redeem themselves and end up in heaven. So when you're dead and in heaven, say hello to Hitler for me.
arista
12-03-2009, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Zee
I absolutely hate groups of nut cases like the Westboro Baptist Church. I am not a Christian, so somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but:
If God really hated gay people, why do they exist? You can transfer this argument onto anything "evil" in the world - why does war exist? Why does poverty exist? Why do degenerative mental/physical illnesses exist? Why do people feel the need to categorise themselves as better/worse than others?
That does not take into account whether or not God is real, that is simply an argument that if God exists, clearly these things do not go against "His word" because He allows them to exist still.
I just think people need to learn some common courtesy; those morons have no respect for anything, I mean picketing is one thing but picketing a funeral? It makes me so angry that people could have such a lack of respect to intrude on a funeral. It's groups like them that ensure I'll never truly respect religion, I respect people who are religious, so long as they do not try to impose their views on me, because I find their commitment to religion absolutely brilliant, and whether or not God is real, I think any kind of long term commitment like that is always a good thing.
The argument is apparently because God has given us free will to do what we like (although that completely contradicts the idea that God has a plan for us all) and we will appreciate the positives more because we know what the negatives are like. Thats as well as this world being some kind of "test" for our morals and whether we go to heaven, hell, purgatory or whatever, although God is also apparently merciful which means everyone will redeem themselves and end up in heaven. So when you're dead and in heaven, say hello to Hitler for me.
Good Point Tom.
officialleafan
12-03-2009, 06:31 PM
I believe in God in a strong way. But i'm not the type to convince people otherwise because i can understand why people don't. About the debate, i think that God isn't really bothered tbh. I know the Bible speaks out against that sort of thing, but i really think that God is more interested in a person's holy spirit that a person't sexuality. Just my opinion.
"AIDS: Kills Fags Dead"
Wow aren't they stupid, yes because AIDS is contracted through only gay sex, straight people are immune... stupid religious people. :laugh:
Captain.Remy
12-03-2009, 06:56 PM
Message original : officialleafan
I believe in God in a strong way. But i'm not the type to convince people otherwise because i can understand why people don't. About the debate, i think that God isn't really bothered tbh. I know the Bible speaks out against that sort of thing, but i really thing that God is more interested in a person's holy spirit that a person't sexuality. Just my opinion.
I agree with this.
However I can see why some people don't believe in God, it's their way to see life as much as believing in God is mine then I do respect that.
arista
12-03-2009, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Captain.Remy
Message original : officialleafan
I believe in God in a strong way. But i'm not the type to convince people otherwise because i can understand why people don't. About the debate, i think that God isn't really bothered tbh. I know the Bible speaks out against that sort of thing, but i really thing that God is more interested in a person's holy spirit that a person't sexuality. Just my opinion.
I agree with this.
However I can see why some people don't believe in God, it's their way to see life as much as believing in God is mine then I do respect that.
That is Easy why there is No God
because many millions of us are not
Indoctrinated.
We have Free Minds.
30stone
12-03-2009, 08:41 PM
God hates Cigarettes.
Louis is doing a new show BTW on Sunda at 9PM.
It is; Louis Theroux: A place for Paedophiles.
It looks very interesting.
Tom4784
15-04-2009, 11:16 PM
I'm agnostic, I don't follow any religion but I believe there MAY be something more but I'm not gonna worry about it. The only way you'll know for sure is when you're dead. Nobody has the right to to force their religion or Atheism upon another person (Arista here's looking at you buddy).
I really hate the Westboro Church. It's such a stupid message, I believe in karma so one day they'll get their just desserts. I feel sorry for the kids as the parents are doing nothing but alienating them from having a normal life but bringing up with the rubbish they spout. At hte end of the day I believe in free Speech so let 'em spout their rubbish. Most people will have the sense to laugh at them and look down upon them.
They are fugly little *****.
DamonJ
15-04-2009, 11:44 PM
I hate ******s too.
MarkWaldorf
15-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by DamonJ
I hate ******s too.
MrGaryy
16-04-2009, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by officialleafan
I believe in God in a strong way. But i'm not the type to convince people otherwise because i can understand why people don't. About the debate, i think that God isn't really bothered tbh. I know the Bible speaks out against that sort of thing, but i really think that God is more interested in a person's holy spirit that a person't sexuality. Just my opinion.
You can't understand why people don't believe in God?!?!?! Sorry to be disrespectful I just can not fathom that statement.
Lauren
16-04-2009, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by MrGaryy
Originally posted by officialleafan
I believe in God in a strong way. But i'm not the type to convince people otherwise because i can understand why people don't. About the debate, i think that God isn't really bothered tbh. I know the Bible speaks out against that sort of thing, but i really think that God is more interested in a person's holy spirit that a person't sexuality. Just my opinion.
You can't understand why people don't believe in God?!?!?! Sorry to be disrespectful I just can not fathom that statement.
It said she can understand why people don't. :tongue:
By the way; my viewpoint on this.
The people saying "God hates fags" aren't Christians airing their views. It's homophobes airing their views, and attempting to justify it by slanting religious contexts to their favour.
If they didn't have the platform of religion - they'd still be homophobes - so I can't find myself blaming religion in all of this.
Yes, religion does somewhat push the fact that homosexuality is a sin - but this does not mean people should shun or attack those which choose this pathway. This is why these people are way beyond religion.
Also; to make it clear - I am not religious myself.
bananarama
16-04-2009, 12:29 PM
I don't know if there is a god or not..Seems unlikely but strange is existance anyhow so anything is possible......What I do know however is that religion divides people more than it unites..... What i do know is that religion is used to control people by using the fear and so called law of god......
I also know to believe a single entity "God" created all is a very one dimentional simplistic way of thinking.......
Unless religious enthusiast go beyond such one dimentional simplistic thoughts then the theory that explains our being will never come to pass .......
NettoSuperstar!
16-04-2009, 12:40 PM
I hate fags I've been trying to give up for years!
Nurse57
17-04-2009, 10:07 AM
Although I find the Westbro lot repugnant, I have to ask (as an atheist and bi) the religious people on here, what give you the right to question how they interpret the good book. Who knows, they may have it right and God might be well hacked off with the rest of you.
On the whole religion thing. I always like to post this little ditty as it sums up exactly where I come from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo
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