How religious are you?

[~Kizwiz~]

I noticed in the "will you be eating meat today" thread that quite a few people are......

I'm not at all although my children do go to a C of E School.

[Lauren]

Not at all.
All my brothers (3 of them) were baptised, but I was not.

[CiaraD]

I suppose i am quite religious i go to mass every sunday (i probably wouldn't if i had the choice though) and all and i do lent but i usaully break it

[Harry!]

Not at all. I have not been baptised.

[Fom]

I am atheist, the idea of religion gets me very angry.

[Tom]

non-practicing Catholic I call myself :tongue:

I think the bible is a load of b*llocks, I'm not even sure I believe in God tbh but I think there has to be something ...

[Nicky.]

I'm an atheist.. was brought up like it.

Dad was forced to go to church every Sunday when he was younger, and he hated it.. so brought us up so we didn't have to go either :)

If I had the choice, I wouldn't go whatsoever either xD

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Tom
non-practicing Catholic I call myself :tongue:

I think the bible is a load of b*llocks, I'm not even sure I believe in God tbh but I think there has to be something ...

What Tom said

[Chri$]

I went to a Christian Primary School but I am not religious and don't agree with it.

The annoying thing is everyone in America are religious but I don't have to learn about it in school which is good.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Fom
I am atheist, the idea of religion gets me very angry.

and thats why Athiests do my head in, they always use the "holier than thou" approach to religeon

[bronaaaa]

I'm catholic, go to mass and all that but I'm not real holy

[Novo]

Originally posted by Fom
I am atheist, the idea of religion gets me very angry.

[Spike]

I am not at all religious, I actually really hate religion

[Sticks]

I am a practising Christian and active in my church.

This Sunday I will be song leading in the Easter worship service

I also run the church information site (http://www.newcastlecoc.fsnet.co.uk), and do a number of behind the scenes admin tasks.

I was baptised by total immersion on 05 January 1986

[Tom]

I love it how atheists who claim to really hate religion still celebrate things like Christmas and Easter though. You can't be that against religion if you do.

It might be part of our society but everyone knows the roots. And if you're going to use the "why shouldn't I enjoy myself with my family" argument, then why wait until Christmas to do that? Can you not do it throughout the year? You don't celebrate other religious holidays in other religions, so why is Christianity any different just because you've been brought up in a Christian country?

I find it so hypocritical and it really annoys me

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sticks
I am a practising Christian and active in my church.

This Sunday I will be song leading in the Easter worship service

I also run the church information site (http://www.newcastlecoc.fsnet.co.uk), and do a number of behind the scenes admin tasks.

I was baptised by total immersion on 05 January 1986

Sorry to be nieve but is that different from being baptised using holy water from a font?

[Lauren]

I'm an atheist and I don't celebrate Christmas as Christmas. People buy me presents even when I tell them not to - so in return I also buy them presents.

I don't celebrate easter.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Tom
I love it how atheists who claim to really hate religion still celebrate things like Christmas and Easter though. You can't be that against religion if you do.

It might be part of our society but everyone knows the roots. And if you're going to use the "why shouldn't I enjoy myself with my family" argument, then why wait until Christmas to do that? Can you not do it throughout the year? You don't celebrate other religious holidays in other religions, so why is Christianity any different just because you've been brought up in a Christian country?

I find it so hypocritical and it really annoys me

I used to be like that.... very anti religion and I agree that I was a hypocrite when it came to celebrating religious holidays.

But as I am getting older I am becoming more open and understanding of why people have faith.

I dont practice but I'm understanding.

[Iceman]

Im religous in the sense that i have my own beliefs, but i wouldn't go to church or anything like that.

[Jen]

I went through a ridiculous rebellion up until around November last year.

I have been baptised
I went to a Catholic PS
Had my First Confession, first communion and Confirmation.
I go to a Catholic High School.
I go to Church every Sunday Morning or Saturday Night.

But 2 years ago I just decided against religion, for a reason some people on here know about... I think LOL But I just decided what was the point in religion if it lets you down. So I just stopped going to church, fell out with my Dad, then he began to understand... then around November last year I wised up and I go to church again and I do believe in God.

[pinkmichk]

i am C of E while at the moment i dont go to church very regularly that is something that will be changed in the near future

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
Originally posted by Sticks
I was baptised by total immersion on 05 January 1986

Sorry to be nieve but is that different from being baptised using holy water from a font?

Very

At the risk of going off topic, the way I understand the New Testament, the only scriptural way to baptise is by total immersion, as the Greek word used, Baptizo actually means to immerse. Sprinkling and pouring, as done with a "font" are different Greek words.

Also in Romans 6, and Colossians 2:12 refer to baptism as a burial. How can pouring or sprinkling water from a font be seen as a burial?

As for the concept as "Holy water"? Where in the New Testament is that concept?

In Acts 8, the Ethiopian was baptised in water by the side of the road

[30stone]

I think Jesus could fly.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks

In Acts 8, the Ethiopian was baptised in water by the side of the road

There was another water by the side of a road to totally immerse the Ethiopian?

I'm not being facetious by the way, I'm actually trying to understand.

[Hugo]

Not at all. It actually annoys me when people bring God and relegion into everday moral and social arguments. I don't celebrate Christmas, I just give/recieve presents like Lauren said.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by Sticks

In Acts 8, the Ethiopian was baptised in water by the side of the road

There was another water by the side of a road to totally immerse the Ethiopian?

I'm not being facetious by the way, I'm actually trying to understand.

It could have been an oasis or something like that.

[arista]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
I noticed in the "will you be eating meat today" thread that quite a few people are......

I'm not at all although my children do go to a C of E School.


There is No God.

Eat what you can afford
in this New Labour Depression.




Sign Of The Times.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks

It could have been an oasis or something like that.

Good point.

I'm not sure which type of baptism my brothers got, but I think my father was total immersion. He is no longer religious though, and my brothers have never been.

I'm probably the purist of my siblings and I was the only one not baptised. It just shows that baptism is pointless unless you practise the faith.

[Axiom]

Not religious at all. Never been baptised. The Bible is a book written by somebody as sort of guidelines as to how to live our lives in my opinion, not some book of true stories as is implied. I don't understand how people can believe it to be honest, there's no such thing as magic.

[xDramatick]

Not religious at all.
Atheism (sp?) yay :]

[John.]

Originally posted by Tom
non-practicing Catholic I call myself :tongue:

I think the bible is a load of b*llocks, I'm not even sure I believe in God tbh but I think there has to be something ...

EXACT SAME!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sticks

Very

At the risk of going off topic, the way I understand the New Testament, the only scriptural way to baptise is by total immersion, as the Greek word used, Baptizo actually means to immerse. Sprinkling and pouring, as done with a "font" are different Greek words.

Also in Romans 6, and Colossians 2:12 refer to baptism as a burial. How can pouring or sprinkling water from a font be seen as a burial?

As for the concept as "Holy water"? Where in the New Testament is that concept?

In Acts 8, the Ethiopian was baptised in water by the side of the road

So you were baptised as a child and then decided to have a total immersion?

Its something I have never heard of before

[Christina]

Im religious. Both my primary school and Secondary school were Church of England schools. I pray every night but dont go to church, athough i really want to start.. perhaps in college. Oh and i was christened.

[Captain.Remy]

I am. But I'm not an extremist. I'm only a believer who does most of the events like today. However, I never go to church every Sunday, only when needed.
And I don't bring religion into everyday moral, I live my life the way I want to. But, you don't joke about religion. Atheist or not, it's a question of respect.

[SiaSiaSia]

Not at all, I'm completley agnostic

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
So you were baptised as a child and then decided to have a total immersion?

Its something I have never heard of before

My parents had me Christened as a baby because in those days that was the done thing, but it was scripturally invalid, or in the words of Isaiah and later Jesus, "vain worship"

My baptism by total immersion, in accordance with Acts 2:38 was the valid baptism denoted by scripture.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by ~Kizwiz~
So you were baptised as a child and then decided to have a total immersion?

Its something I have never heard of before

My parents had me Christened as a baby because in those days that was the done thing, but it was scripturally invalid, or in the words of Isaiah and later Jesus, "vain worship"

My baptism by total immersion, in accordance with Acts 2:38 was the valid baptism denoted by scripture.

I'm just wondering has immersion become the done thing to be done now? I'm not having a go or anything Sticks, just curious!

[Sticks]

From what I can see, among the general population people still seem to believe "Christening" of a baby or young child is the done thing, even though it's scriptural validity is in question.

Immersion has always been around as that is the scripturally correct mode but it is hardly ever offered by the mainstream denominations. (Unless you count the baptist churches and the independent house churches)

The one time I saw immersion being done in the C-of-E was by the Arch Bishop of York, who is originally from Africa.

[Tom]

Is immersion the one which is basically a swimming pool with holy water in and you just pretty much jump in?

[Jen]

I always though Immersion was Believers Baptism.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Tom
Is immersion the one which is basically a swimming pool with holy water in and you just pretty much jump in?

Baptism by immersion can be carried out anywhere where there is sufficient water, like a swimming pool, a very large Victorian bath (In my case) or a river, pond or even the sea

This is an example I found on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0_YBak0L8

Not sure which church group this is, but you should get the picture

Originally posted by LEEZIDJ
I always though Immersion was Believers Baptism.

That is another term for it, most likely developed by either those who still advocate infant sprinkling or those trying to be "neutral"

[Sticks]

This video is of a baptism that I filmed back in 2004 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1689070806879512867)

[Mark]

I was christned/baptised, and confirmed when I was young. It was only when I started thinking for myself that I became an athiest.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by Fom
I am atheist, the idea of religion gets me very angry.

and thats why Athiests do my head in, they always use the "holier than thou" approach to religeon

Ditto Chewy:thumbs:

Im not at all religious but I do think about what religious thinkers were trying to say and I believe people like Jesus were just trying to find a way of living that benefits all of humanity...Its just other peoples interpretations have been wrapped up in the social and political situations of the time and got even more ****ed up over time. I dont believe a "God" created the earth either but I believe there are ways of being and interacting with each other and the environment that will benefit us and ways that wont....which SOME religious folk have got terribly wrong

Jesus encouraged people to seek knowledge and truth, I'll take that and the ten commandments...the rest is for a different time and place long ago

[Sam!]

I was christned as a baby and went church from a young age, don't go so much now. My school is a church of england school and you like have to go church to get in. Aint been church in ages though. I dunno what I think really, my girlfriend is always like - you never have an opinion on things like this. Yeh I don't lol. Opinionated on the petty things :tongue:

[Firewire]

Not very religious.

I believe in god and the story of Jesus etc.

I haven't been baptised and I do not go to church.

I am protestant.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Firewire
Not very religious.

I believe in god and the story of Jesus etc.

I haven't been baptised and I do not go to church.

I am protestant.

And not to forget, The bible is just other peoples accounts/interpretations of Jesus's life. And also Jesus was a Jew and never intended to start a new religion.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
And not to forget, The bible is just other peoples accounts/interpretations of Jesus's life. And also Jesus was a Jew and never intended to start a new religion.

The Bible contains more than stories about Jesus, so I suspect you are referring to the gospels.

As for starting another religion, for several years Christianity was seen as just another branch of Judaism until the first gentile convert, about ten years after Jesus died, according to some scholarship.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost and to fulfil the Law. At that time Judaism had wandered into the mire of legalism so it could be argued that if anything he was trying to bring it back into what it should have been, and to make it more inclusive, since even then it was more a them and us religion.

Again, adter the first conversion of gentiles, that is when Christianity can be seen as a separate "religion". In fact, the New Testament records in Acts 11:26 the first time the word Christian is ever used. Well after the conversion of Cornelius, the first gentile convert (See Acts 10)

[Tom4784]

I'm not very religious at all although I was baptised and went to a C of E Primary School. I'm Agnostic, There might be something more but we'll never know until we've popped our clogs so what's the point in debating it?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
And not to forget, The bible is just other peoples accounts/interpretations of Jesus's life. And also Jesus was a Jew and never intended to start a new religion.

The Bible contains more than stories about Jesus, so I suspect you are referring to the gospels.

As for starting another religion, for several years Christianity was seen as just another branch of Judaism until the first gentile convert, about ten years after Jesus died, according to some scholarship.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost and to fulfil the Law. At that time Judaism had wandered into the mire of legalism so it could be argued that if anything he was trying to bring it back into what it should have been, and to make it more inclusive, since even then it was more a them and us religion.

Again, adter the first conversion of gentiles, that is when Christianity can be seen as a separate "religion". In fact, the New Testament records in Acts 11:26 the first time the word Christian is ever used. Well after the conversion of Cornelius, the first gentile convert (See Acts 10)

Yes I was talking about the gospels and The basis of christianity. the birth of Christainity and every religion really is heavily influenced by the political/social situation of the time isnt it.

Interestingly there were gospels left out of the bible too!

[Sticks]

Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

[Princess]

Not at all religious. I'm baptised,communion and confirmation but only go to church for weddings/funerals now.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Princess
Not at all religious. I'm baptised,communion and confirmation but only go to church for weddings/funerals now.

What turned you off?

You say you got confirmed, which suggests for a time you may have been a regular attender in order to do the confirmation classes.

[Mark]

I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.

[Sticks]

Conversely I used to be an atheist

From my understanding of certain physical constants and the Anthropic Cosmological principal, it seems quite clear there is a God.

BTW the ACP was invented by atheists, and there's the rub

[Mark]

It doesn't seem quite clear to me :)

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

yeh inconsistent with the political/social situation of the time...they picked the interpretations that suited and the most powerful people of the time agreed with.

I believe Jesus was no doubt a good man, like mother teresa et al...but son of god and all the rest...language of a different time taken too literally in my opinion

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Sticks
Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

yeh inconsistent with the political/social situation of the time...they picked the interpretations that suited and the most powerful people of the time agreed with.

I believe Jesus was no doubt a good man, like mother teresa et al...but son of god and all the rest...language of a different time taken too literally in my opinion
awww netto!
don't you trust the pope? hehe

http://corcholat.com/uploads/img/la_mirada_del_papa_973_wide.jpg

[ange7]

Originally posted by Mark
It doesn't seem quite clear to me :)

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.
you can set your watch by this guys anti religious hate rants

[arista]

Originally posted by Mark
I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.


Thats because you are most wise
and above these God Losers.


There is No God.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sticks
Conversely I used to be an atheist

From my understanding of certain physical constants and the Anthropic Cosmological principal, it seems quite clear there is a God.

BTW the ACP was invented by atheists, and there's the rub

Could ACP not be explained easier by the fact that we don't know all about the Universe and it's structure.

We say the Universe is too finely tuned to life to have happened without intelligent thought - but is the "fundamental power" argument not just a cop out for something we can't explain?

(I only know minimal amounts about ACP, so there is a high chance there could be a further explanation for this if you'd be willing to explain to me, Sticks).

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Sticks
Those so called gospels are not there because they contained things inconsistent with others. A number of them were produced by the gnostics which was an insipid heresy that considered all matter evil, yet in Genesis one when God looks at creation he said that it was good.

yeh inconsistent with the political/social situation of the time...they picked the interpretations that suited and the most powerful people of the time agreed with.

I believe Jesus was no doubt a good man, like mother teresa et al...but son of god and all the rest...language of a different time taken too literally in my opinion
awww netto!
don't you trust the pope? hehe


http://corcholat.com/uploads/img/la_mirada_del_papa_973_wide.jpg

That popes evil look at his eyes! lol...I quite liked the last one he looked like my grandad

[Sticks]

Lauren

When I first heard the ACP, it was long before ID, and the Horizon programme never referred to any spiritual leaders, only physicists.

It was eye opening to say the least.

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by Mark
I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.


Thats because you are most wise
and above these God Losers.


There is No God.

Our Arista, so respectful and accepting of other people's opinions and beliefs.

[Mark]

Originally posted by ange7

you can set your watch by this guys anti religious hate rants

http://www.ewtnreligiouscatalogue.com/images/catalog/detail/I-SM.jpg

:cat:

[Mark]

http://www.money.co.uk/article/1003379-nhs-spends-32-million-a-year-on-hospital-chaplains-money-well-spent.htm

Money well spent.

[LemonJam]

I come from a very religious family and if I told my mum I didn't believe it, we'd probably fall out, so I just do what makes her happy.

Although I don't really believe in God, I think that in general it shows great guidlines on how people should live and people should really take it in.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Mark
Originally posted by ange7

you can set your watch by this guys anti religious hate rants

http://www.ewtnreligiouscatalogue.com/images/catalog/detail/I-SM.jpg

:cat:
hehehe
now it's "Jesus time" all the time!
I have one of these watches. It comes with stopwatch that makes the eye flash red when you set it to "Armageddon". :P

[ange7]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by Mark
I was baptised, christened and confirmed as a child.

Yet I'm one of the biggest athiests I know.


Thats because you are most wise
and above these God Losers.


There is No God.

Our Arista, so respectful and accepting of other people's opinions and beliefs.
yeah I reported him for that....no effect since Mark loves to Christian bash too hehe

[NettoSuperstar!]

Arista the all knowing lol....No god, no black monks back in the day, Labour to blame for WORLD wide recession....

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mark
It doesn't seem quite clear to me :)

Faith and belief based on a book. A book that is word of mouth and fables written 2000 years ago. Some parts of the bible they don't even know who wrote them as far as I know.. "Probably moses"... a brilliant foundation to set your beliefs! Christianity is the scientology of the past, which has somehow forced it's way into modern society because of it's popularity and it's following.

Christianity isn't even the full belief of the bible, which is not only convenient (because the world would be mess if everyone went around raping, murdering, casting plague and enforcing the lack of womens rights). It's an easy escape to say "It shouldn't be taken literally". It shouldn't be taken literally because it's a book of fiction.

It's a scare tactic of telling people they will go to hell if they don't "join".

Athiesm: A non-profit organisation.

Did you know that there is evidence supporting that some things which happened, and apparently Jesus also existed? Whether he is who he says he is and whether the things happened due to God or something else are completely different matters but to dismiss it all as fiction is just mad and just shows your ignorance in the wide scale of things.

I love how in the past you said you hate brainwashing where religious people try and get people to turn to Christianity or whatever. I bet you wouldn't be against brainwashing of atheism though would you, and a lot of your arguments can be turned right back around on you.

EDIT: Ha I sound like a member of the God squad. I'm agnostic

[Princess]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Princess
Not at all religious. I'm baptised,communion and confirmation but only go to church for weddings/funerals now.

What turned you off?

You say you got confirmed, which suggests for a time you may have been a regular attender in order to do the confirmation classes.

I got confirmed when I was 11,I saw sense when I was no longer a child.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Tom

Did you know that there is evidence supporting that some things which happened, and apparently Jesus also existed? Whether he is who he says he is and whether the things happened due to God or something else are completely different matters but to dismiss it all as fiction is just mad and just shows your ignorance in the wide scale of things.

I love how in the past you said you hate brainwashing where religious people try and get people to turn to Christianity or whatever. I bet you wouldn't be against brainwashing of atheism though would you, and a lot of your arguments can be turned right back around on you.

EDIT: Ha I sound like a member of the God squad. I'm agnostic

You don't sound like a member of the God squad :flower:

I understand how I look ignorant with my beliefs, but it's nowhere near the scale of ignorance in believing in the christian god as our creator. That belief is saying that the muslim god, the hindu god, all these other gods don't exist (christian god says you mustn't obey other gods, right?). Who's ignorant now?

An athiests view is that "god probably doesnt exist", and the chance is so ridiculously small. I can't speak for others, but I am somewhat open to the idea of 'intelligent design', although I haven't really delved into it much. The problem with intelligent design, is christians like to grab onto it like it's some sort of proof of their god - when in actuality is holds absolutly no relation to it whatsoever.
Let's say, for arguements sake, that intelligent design is proven in our existance. That in no way proves any sort of god. If our existance is proven by way of intelligence that any human being can't even begin to comprehend, there are a trillian things it could be. The possibilites are endless. And while a god may be on of those possibilities, its so unlikely and theres no reason to favour something over another that we can't comprehend.

Christians like to say the bible is historically acurate... it takes place in real world locations, and covered events that really happened... big deal. Cloverfield (the film) is based in New York, and New York is a real city. That doesn't prove big monsters are going around smashing up buildings. The titanic really happened, it doesn't mean some of those characters in the film Titanic really existed.

god is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing and is everywhere at once. So for in order for the christian god to be real, he must be all those three things... he can't be one without the other.
Usually when an athiest challenges this, a thiest will back up into the idea of free will ... which sets both sides into an arugment over determanism. There's however one moment in our lives which we hold no free will over.... that's when you are born. Under the rules of christianity , god chooses when you are conceived... that's his act of will, not yours. So since god is supposedely all knowing, he therefore knew even before I was born that I was going to grow up a christian, then turn to an athiest, and then I'll die and go to hell. Under the rules of christianity, he's also a loving god and doesn't want this to happen to me. If god doesn't want me to go to hell, why throw me into a chain of events that will ultimatly lead me there? Even though I am making these choices from my own free will, god is still creating me to burn in hell. god knows exactly what's going to happen to me, before he even creates me.. BUT he doesn't want these things to happen. He creates me, then blames, punishes and burns his creation for doing what he knew was going to happen before he even created it? Hows that for sensless and selfishness :shrug::shrug:

Even though everyone in this world has 'free will', god knows everything that is going to happen (all knowing). You can't catch him out. So god knows every choice I'm going to make in my life, in a chain of events. It's not a choice of a million things, which eventually leads to one outcome... it's one possiblity, and one outcome. And you can't leave, or change any of those actions, because god would no longer be all knowing. I just randomly, through seemingly a choice of my own blinked 5 times in a row... was this my choice or gods?

Your ticket into athiesm is not proving whether god exists, (because lets face it, who's going to change from a christian to an athiest from just reading this.. no-one), it is proving that god just isn't even worth believing in.

So it's easy to call me ignorant for bashing christianity, and say I'm ignorant in the wide scale of things... In the wide scale of things, there are a trillion possible reasons for our existance, most of which we probably can't even comprehend. Christianity is pointing out just 1 of those trillion things and saying it is correct. Athiesm is saying that 1 thing is not correct.

I'm ignorant on the wide scale of things? I think you mistook me for a christian. :flowers:

[Shaun]

My friend stopped some mormons yesterday. I really dislike discussing religion, I find it very dull as it's the same argument of "there's no proof vs. YEAH BUT WE BELIEVE!!!" in circles.

They were lovely people, but they had no answers for a few things we came up - eg. the omnipotence thing (can God create a stone which is too heavy for him to lift?) and some other stuff about being all-loving yet testing our faith etc.

It was a nice little experience, and I don't take the fact that some pigeons flew over and pooed on one of them lightly. Religious evidence if ever there was any :tongue:

[Mark]

Originally posted by Shaun
eg. the omnipotence thing (can God create a stone which is too heavy for him to lift?)

Hah, I haven't heard that one before... I like it :spin:

[Arneldo]

No, I'm agnostic. I'm not against religion, but I do find the idea of atheism very closed minded and feel a sense of hypocrisy attached to it. Although I suppose the exact same could be said for religion.

[andyman]

Originally posted by Lauren
I'm an atheist and I don't celebrate Christmas as Christmas. People buy me presents even when I tell them not to - so in return I also buy them presents.

I don't celebrate easter. Your such a rebel, hope your views change when you have kids.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by Lauren
I'm an atheist and I don't celebrate Christmas as Christmas. People buy me presents even when I tell them not to - so in return I also buy them presents.

I don't celebrate easter. Your such a rebel, hope your views change when you have kids.

They will. Of course I'm going to buy my children presents :tongue: The focus of both easter and christmas won't be on religion when I have kids though. They can make that choice themselves.

[andyman]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by Lauren
I'm an atheist and I don't celebrate Christmas as Christmas. People buy me presents even when I tell them not to - so in return I also buy them presents.

I don't celebrate easter. Your such a rebel, hope your views change when you have kids.

They will. Of course I'm going to buy my children presents :tongue: The focus of both easter and christmas won't be on religion when I have kids though. They can make that choice themselves. I am sure the christmas date was a winter pagan thing adopted by the romans when Constantine became a christian...?


Too be fair not many parents talk about religion during christmas time, it is alway about santa! Woohoo!

[Dom:D]

I go to a catholic school
I have been baptised
I have made my first confession,first communion and my conformation.
I go to church every sunday.
So I guess I am religious.:spin2:

[Mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyauGeRa5T0

Play him off, keyboard cat!

Or it should be, 'play her off'.

[Lauren]

Hahahahahahah wtf!! ^ I was watching like ":shocked:"

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Dom:D
I go to a catholic school
I have been baptised
I have made my first confession,first communion and my conformation.
I go to church every sunday.
So I guess I am religious.:spin2:

i could say the exact same, bar the last one. the only difference is that i have about 1% belief in it. LOL I only made my confirmation for the cash.

[Princess]

Haha same Gaz! My parent's were like 'It's a religious commitment' and I was just like 'Where everyone gives you loads of money'.

[ange7]

I want keyboard cat to play me out at my funeral