Were the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bomings of WWII neccesary?

[Scarlett.]

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The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuclear attacks near the end of World War II against the Empire of Japan by the United States at the executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman on August 6 and 9, 1945, respectively. After six months of intense fire-bombing of 67 other Japanese cities, followed by an ultimatum which was ignored by the Shōwa regime, the nuclear weapon "Little Boy" was dropped on the city of Hiroshima on Monday, August 6, 1945, followed on August 9 by the detonation of the "Fat Man" nuclear bomb over Nagasaki. These are to date the only attacks with nuclear weapons in the history of warfare.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki)

Opinons?

I think a more tactful wasy could have been found

[Novo]

Defiantly a step to Far they could have found another way around it
And it was done in the most barbaric way

i thought the war was still going on after this because of pearl harbour?

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by .Andy.
Defiantly a step to Far they could have found another way around it
And it was done in the most barbaric way

i thought the war was still going on after this because of pearl harbour? it brought a close to the war, not immidiately, but it did

[Shaun]

I think it that the US were uninformed about the future drawbacks and complications about nuclear bombing (ie. the mutations seen in the two bomb-sites, the irradiation of land etc.) but ultimately, Japan were stupid.

A step too far, yes, but they brought it on themselves. And it probably saved a lot more lives than it killed.

[Novo]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by .Andy.
Defiantly a step to Far they could have found another way around it
And it was done in the most barbaric way

i thought the war was still going on after this because of pearl harbour? it brought a close to the war, not immidiately, but it did

Ohh it's okay my bad i thought pearl harbour was after hiroshima for some reason

[arista]

No Japan had given in.
America after taking Hitlers Number 1 Scientist
were rushing this to warn Russia
that they had the Bombs.

America entered Europe to late
so the Russians had every right to take there part of Germany.


It was done to Test them
and prove to the world America will not allow attackers.

But in 2001
the Saudi killer team were clever , evil and effective
in taking down the World Trade centres.
Even after the first plane
the yanks acted to slow.


So now Many nations have Nuke Weapons
and America is just one of them.



Sign Of The Times.

[bananarama]

A step too far I think......They could have at least demonstrated the power of the bomb in order to blackmail Japan in to surrender....If that had failed to work well then that's another debate......

[NettoSuperstar!]

well they may well have put anyone off using them again so maybe...

[bananarama]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
well they may well have put anyone off using them again so maybe...

I wouldn't bet on that.......States run along the lines of fanatical religion who believe when they die they go to some sort of paradise are capable of any form of insane logic and could well use the bomb if they have it......

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well there are some nut jobs that might just do it yah...but I doubt anyone involved in ww2

[arista]

Originally posted by bananarama
A step too far I think......They could have at least demonstrated the power of the bomb in order to blackmail Japan in to surrender....If that had failed to work well then that's another debate......


But they used One
then Another.


One was more than enough.

[arista]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
well they may well have put anyone off using them again so maybe...

I wouldn't bet on that.......States run along the lines of fanatical religion who believe when they die they go to some sort of paradise are capable of any form of insane logic and could well use the bomb if they have it......



No it will not happen.


Although a Nuke in a Van
inside of America would be a big problem
if no one owned up for it.
As a single alone Crazy Yank could even do it
and go up in it- leaving no trace,
Anything is Possible,
but will it be in your lifetime?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
A step too far I think......They could have at least demonstrated the power of the bomb in order to blackmail Japan in to surrender....If that had failed to work well then that's another debate......


But they used One
then Another.


One was more than enough.


One was one too many. A demo in the desert may have done the job with no one being killed......

[arista]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
A step too far I think......They could have at least demonstrated the power of the bomb in order to blackmail Japan in to surrender....If that had failed to work well then that's another debate......


But they used One
then Another.


One was more than enough.


One was one too many. A demo in the desert may have done the job with no one being killed......

Yes but at that Time
America needed to warn Russia off.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
A step too far I think......They could have at least demonstrated the power of the bomb in order to blackmail Japan in to surrender....If that had failed to work well then that's another debate......


But they used One
then Another.


One was more than enough.


One was one too many. A demo in the desert may have done the job with no one being killed......

Yes but at that Time
America needed to warn Russia off.

In that case a bomb in the desert would have killed two problamatic birds with the same stone.....No need to slaughter civilians without first tring a fear tactic that might well have worked.

Truth is America wanted revenge and got it......

[arista]

Yes America wanted Revenge on 9/11
but went into Iraq
which had Nothing at all to do with 9/11.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by arista
Yes America wanted Revenge on 9/11
but went into Iraq
which had Nothing at all to do with 9/11.


Agreed......

[SiaSiaSia]

I don't really think there was any other way Japan was going to stop, but it's still so sad :sad:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by arista
Yes America wanted Revenge on 9/11
but went into Iraq
which had Nothing at all to do with 9/11.

Indeed, and the Iraq invasion also had nothing to do with revenge on 9/11, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[Jen]

The US had no idea of the effects the bombs would have, even today there is hundreds of people getting cancer because of the gamma radiation. It just shows how powerful the bombs were and still are.
As for during the Cold War... they knew exactly what effects the bombs had, the lives they took and the damage they could do/did. but still.... Russia and America hid their bombs in Cuba and Turkey... yes Bombs... plural... it only takes one to wipe out an entire superpower... why was there need to have hundreds of these bombs threatening to detonate them whenever Russia spreaded more communism or when American tried to "Roll communism back." There was absolutely no need to those bombs after the damage they did to Japan. It helped eventually stop WWII, but at the expense of innocent people.
I just wish US/Russia would have learnt their lesson in bombs when it came around to The Cold War.

[andyman]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
well they may well have put anyone off using them again so maybe...

I wouldn't bet on that.......States run along the lines of fanatical religion who believe when they die they go to some sort of paradise are capable of any form of insane logic and could well use the bomb if they have it......



No it will not happen.


Although a Nuke in a Van
inside of America would be a big problem
if no one owned up for it.
As a single alone Crazy Yank could even do it
and go up in it- leaving no trace,
Anything is Possible,
but will it be in your lifetime? Go on mate you could do it... Sounds like you hate America anyway, you could use a BBC van.

[andyman]

America need to make sure Pakistan does not become a failed state, they have WMD..

[andyman]

WW3 will happen before 2100 AD.

[Novo]

Originally posted by andyman
WW3 will happen before 2100 AD.

The Spartans v The Aztecs

[andyman]

^That will never happen..

A new world order being built by China and Russia with North Korea and Iran being their pet dogs.

America and Western Europe against the above.. Deep forest battles in Russia, thing COD: MW.


Plus the Romans are better than the Spartans, even tho they never met.. And the Romans lasted longer, hey Rome is still her, people live there are Romans!

Roman might is still seen today in the Middle East, North Africa, Mainland Europe, UK.. Plus many of the towns and cites live on to this day and their Law, Tax systen lived on long after Empire..
Oh and the Eastern Empire fell in the 15th Century, 1000 years after the fall of the Western Empire, but even after fall of Empire the Roman world lived on.. Oh and i can't forget the Church! The late Roman Empire helped to build it up.

[arista]

Originally posted by andyman
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
well they may well have put anyone off using them again so maybe...

I wouldn't bet on that.......States run along the lines of fanatical religion who believe when they die they go to some sort of paradise are capable of any form of insane logic and could well use the bomb if they have it......



No it will not happen.


Although a Nuke in a Van
inside of America would be a big problem
if no one owned up for it.
As a single alone Crazy Yank could even do it
and go up in it- leaving no trace,
Anything is Possible,
but will it be in your lifetime? Go on mate you could do it... Sounds like you hate America anyway, you could use a BBC van.




GW.Bush was the Problem he started the wrong way forward,
I do not need to touch America
they have many Self Destruct public people.

I have been in America it is a Great Nation,
but once Bush invaded Iraq dragging the UK in with it,
I can then see, another 9/11 - only bigger next time.

[Sticks]

Debates about 9/11 and the Iraq war should be addressed in a separate thread, this is about the two atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki

The situation was that projected casualties from an invasion on the military and civilian populations were incredibly high.

The problem with the Japanese at the time was their mentality. I remember a story where a man offered to serve his emperor as a Kamikaze pilot. He was told he could not as he had a wife and children. Later he reported for duty saying how his wife had killed her children and then committed suicide so he could be free to serve the emperor.

That attitude is probably why the casualty projections were so high. Only after the second bomb did the emperor issue the surrender order, bypassing the generals who would have insisted on fighting to the very bitter end, which is exactle what happened in Berlin under the Nazi regime.

If you look up the images of Berlin just after WWII, they look very similar.

Incidentally, one of the other Axis powers, Italy had a monarch whom the people of Italy could appeal to. It was him who sacked the Italian government and replaced it with one who asked for unconditional surrender and thus saved Italy from the kind of destruction heaped on Berlin.

Returning to Japan, it is an unavoidable irony of history that in the long run, the two bombs, shortened the war and saved many lives on both sides.

As for the cold war, the legacy of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was that by showing what nuclear weapons could do helped keep us from going nuclear. It is also another irony of history that because of nuclear weapons and the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction the bomb managed to keep the peace in Europe for many years.

The Balkan wars happened after the fall of Communism and the Soviet Union between parties who did not have nuclear weapons.

[arista]

Yes Sticks that history of Japanese Pilots
shows how Japan Inspired
the Saudi Killers of 9/11.