No live feed for 2009. What are we going to do about it?

[12bigbrother12]

Channel 4 have decided to axe the live feed for BB10!

This will severely disrupt the enjoyment of many big brother fans. It should also be noted that this means that the forum will be less enjoyable, because there is no live feed to discuss.

Unfortunately, channel 4 appear to have lost the plot.

Below is a link to complain to channel 4 should you choose to do so:
http://help.channel4.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=448,E=0000000000179415589,K=1841,Sxi=0,USETEMP LATE=contact_ve.tem

[max]

Do you really think they'll change there minds personaly i don't it cost to much for a start then there's the problem with weather people will actually watch it but i'll still complain just for the hell of it let's start a revolution.

[Jackie]

Personally for me it won't be the same without the live feed i used to enjoy watching when ever i could you get to see the real people and their personalitys before they edit the live show at night.

[arista]

This is not Ch4
Endmol do the costings
a red button costs.

They spent there budget wrong and are making Evil cut backs.


Endemol love the fact that everyone picks on Ch4.
giving them a rest.

http://www.destentor.nl/multimedia/archive/00790/MTV_en_Endemol_kome_790231b.jpg

[Stu]

In fairness, by cutting costs to eliminate a feature the MINORITY used, in a bid to increase the ordinary people shows ratings, Channel 4 have certainly not lost the plot.

[andyman]

Live feed will be on E4 late nights..

Back in 2001/02 the viewers had more viewing options, maybe the live feed should go back to plan A, the internet! But at least since 2005 the highlights show has been on for 1 hour, before it was only 30 mins, even less if you take away time for ads and the finish, more like 22 mins each night!

As for the saving money bit, in this digital age the red button feed means channel 4 don't have to create at tv channel to air it, the cams are there rolling 24/7 anyway, the whole "cost too much money" thing is total BS!
If they wanted to save money then they would scrap BBBM and CBB!

[Tom]

I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

[Stu]

Originally posted by andyman
Live feed will be on E4 late nights..

Back in 2001/02 the viewers had more viewing options, maybe the live feed should go back to plan A, the internet! But at least since 2005 the highlights show has been on for 1 hour, before it was only 30 mins, even less if you take away time for ads and the finish, more like 22 mins each night!

As for the saving money bit, in this digital age the red button feed means channel 4 don't have to create at tv channel to air it, the cams are there rolling 24/7 anyway, the whole "cost too much money" thing is total BS!
If they wanted to save money then they would scrap BBBM and CBB!
Yes but the increase in ratings which could lead to higher advertising revenues as a result of cutting the feed would result in increased income. Besides, untold amounts of people need to be employed to monitor red button streams, especially since 2007.

[BBDodge]

Endemol do not determine the scheduling or the overall budget.

[andyman]

^Live feed helps us to see the picture better, been many times when i have watched a bit of the live feed and a housemate was not the same as in the highlights show.
During live feed things have been said that showed the persons feelings and ideas, but again never made it to the highlights show.

Big brother is about watching people live in a house, watching them live at anytime as the viewers have the eyes of big brother! That is the idea of the show, that is the format of the show... But at least some live feed will be shown on E4, but most that watch BB don't watch live feed and don't go on forums..

[andyman]

The red button feed does not need that many to staff it, scrap CBB then live feed is paid for!

[andyman]

£100,000 for that celeb, £150,000 for that celeb, £75,000 for that celeb, £50,000 for that celeb, £65,000 for that celeb.... :bored: The money could be used in other areas insted of filling celeb pockets.

[30stone]

Not many obviously watched live feed.
They can use the money on the higlight show.

And its a bit late to change anything now they wont bring it back a couple of weeks from the start.

[Robo]

what am i going to do? absolutely nothing cause i don't give a damn about Live Feed! :thumbs2:

[Tom]

Originally posted by andyman
£100,000 for that celeb, £150,000 for that celeb, £75,000 for that celeb, £50,000 for that celeb, £65,000 for that celeb.... :bored: The money could be used in other areas insted of filling celeb pockets.

Celeb BB is in their contract along with BBLB, BBBM thats why we can't get shot of them and its why we had that Hijack thing (with celebrities) when clearly they would've preferred to have a 9 month gap inbetween BB8 and 9

[Marc]

The ratings for the live feed's have obviously gone down.. doubt many people watched it religiously so I'm gonna put my neck out and say - who cares LOL
I know its a part of big brother, being watched 24/7 but who actually does watch them 24/7? during the day its boring anyway, one swear word and the sounds gone for about 5 minutes at a time!

[Stentionhouse]

Tell you what I'm going to do about it - not watch. Only by taking their audience away will C4 ever take notice.

[30stone]

Your going to miss a perfectly good show that you want to watch because they have taken out some bird noises and trains?

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Tell you what I'm going to do about it - not watch. Only by taking their audience away will C4 ever take notice.
Good, you won't watch! :thumbs:

Didin't you claim after Rachel's victory that you would never watch BB again? But yet you still watched CBB6 and comment about the show on forums!

Are you feeling better now Stentionhouse? :pat:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

Did you never come on here and talk about things that had just happened in the house? You'd be surprised how much activity on the forums the LF created. Only one person might be watching and reporting on an LUT, but 200 people would then discuss it. That's why the lack of LF will kill BB. Its influence of the enjoyment of the show was huge, no matter how few people actually sat there watching it.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

Did you never come on here and talk about things that had just happened in the house? You'd be surprised how much activity on the forums the LF created. Only one person might be watching and reporting on an LUT, but 200 people would then discuss it. That's why the lack of LF will kill BB. Its influence of the enjoyment of the show was huge, no matter how few people actually sat there watching it.
The forums are used by a vast minority of the total Big Brother audience.

Even if a buzz is created on the forums, it is so little in the grand scheme of things.

I think people like you are deluded. The live feed has not sparked much buzz in the last few years, so it's only right that it should be axed because only a few people used the red button service.

You seem to think that as a viewer you have the right to watch live feed, but you don't. Channel 4 have the right to do what is best for their company, and in this economic situation that answer is to get rid of the live feed which is costly and has a low demand.

Accept the decision, and move on.

Otherwise, you are just ruining the experience for other people with your constant moaning. You've posted recently under your other Blondedumbition alias that you think BB10 will be a total flop - well don't watch it then, and don't discuss it.

Oh dear oh dear - people like you really need to grow up and get some perspective :pat: .

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Tell you what I'm going to do about it - not watch. Only by taking their audience away will C4 ever take notice.
Good, you won't watch! :thumbs:

Didin't you claim after Rachel's victory that you would never watch BB again? But yet you still watched CBB6 and comment about the show on forums!

Are you feeling better now Stentionhouse? :pat:

I didn't watch CBB6. None of it, save a few brief snippets I saw online.

But I still post on the forums, mostly out of habit after 9 years and 18 series of following the show.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

Did you never come on here and talk about things that had just happened in the house? You'd be surprised how much activity on the forums the LF created. Only one person might be watching and reporting on an LUT, but 200 people would then discuss it. That's why the lack of LF will kill BB. Its influence of the enjoyment of the show was huge, no matter how few people actually sat there watching it.

Only for online fans it creates enjoyment. 99% of the viewing public DO NOT VISIT FORUMS so it will not have an effect on them. yes you can bring up the forum buzz means tabloid interest argument, but in all honesty the tabloids don't even care about BB anymore and there were just as many stories printed during CBB6 as BB9.

The sad reality is, and the thing you don't seem to be grasping, is the 3-4m who watch the highlights show just watch it. They don't care if its biased, whether theres no buzz, if noone else is watching etc just as long as it entertains them. People don't talk about Big Brother anymore, its just a TV show.

Can I ask you something. The feeling I get from you is you aren't looking forward to BB10 and all you do is moan, so what are you doing on a Big Brother forum complaining about it? Surely you have better things to do?

And if you think not watching will affect Channel 4, well it won't, unless you have a BARB box.

[BIG-BRO-FAN]

The live feed still shows overnights and probably at weekends. :thumbs:

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Tell you what I'm going to do about it - not watch. Only by taking their audience away will C4 ever take notice.
Good, you won't watch! :thumbs:

Didin't you claim after Rachel's victory that you would never watch BB again? But yet you still watched CBB6 and comment about the show on forums!

Are you feeling better now Stentionhouse? :pat:

I didn't watch CBB6. None of it, save a few brief snippets I saw online.

But I still post on the forums, mostly out of habit after 9 years and 18 series of following the show.
Yep sure you didn't Blondedumbition :thumbs:.

You seem to really hate what the show has become, so why the hell are you discussing about it on forums and moaning constantly.

Get a grip of yourself and look at the bigger picture. Hardly anyone used the live feed. Your theory that it causes some kind of mass buzz is wrong. CBB6 had live feed on E4, yet it was a total shambles of a series. No one gives a **** about live feed.

Delusional people are the worst type of people in my opinion. It really is ridiculous how you think viewers have a right to watch live feed. We have the right to watch nothing. It's Channel 4's main prerogative and they have made the best financial decision. Now, grow up please you self acclaimed "Poodle Picker" :pat: .

[Wildcat!]

You guys thinking that the lack of LF isnt gonna make a difference, are kidding yourselves. Its not about sitting there watching 2/7, its the fact that someone is watching at one point or another. And the buzz on forums come from that. Wait until the show starts and you will see how little its talked about compared to other years. For CBB this year, Ive never seen so little interest in the show, and its mainly because of the lack of LF.
Me personally, I dont like being manipulated by the highlights, so I know I am not gonna care as much. There is no way Im gonna vote for one, because thats just pointless, and I will watch it probably like a soap opera rather than BB!

As for doing something about it, there is nothing to do! Theyve made their decision, and I think they are willing to live with it. I dont think Ch4 cares how the show does frankly. I think they just want to finish off the contract, and dump the show. Which is fair enough if thats their long term plan.

[President]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
You guys thinking that the lack of LF isnt going to make a difference, are kidding yourselves. Its not about sitting there watching 2/7, its the fact that someone is watching at one point or another. And the buzz on forums come from that. Wait until the show starts and you will see how little its talked about compared to other years. For CBB this year, Ive never seen so little interest in the show, and its mainly because of the lack of LF.
Me personally, I dont like being manipulated by the highlights, so I know I am not going to care as much. There is no way Im going to vote for one, because thats just pointless, and I will watch it probably like a soap opera rather than BB!

As for doing something about it, there is nothing to do! Theyve made their decision, and I think they are willing to live with it. I dont think Ch4 cares how the show does frankly. I think they just want to finish off the contract, and dump the show. Which is fair enough if thats their long term plan.
You don't seem to understand.

Fair enough, a buzz is formed on forums.

HOWEVER, the forums are only used by a minority of the Big Brother audience.

I accept that the forum experience will not be as good as previous years. But it doesn't mean the main show will be crapper.

For most people who do not watch the live feed or use forums (more than 90% of the BB audience), there won't be any difference at all.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

Did you never come on here and talk about things that had just happened in the house? You'd be surprised how much activity on the forums the LF created. Only one person might be watching and reporting on an LUT, but 200 people would then discuss it. That's why the lack of LF will kill BB. Its influence of the enjoyment of the show was huge, no matter how few people actually sat there watching it.
The forums are used by a vast minority of the total Big Brother audience.

Even if a buzz is created on the forums, it is so little in the grand scheme of things.

I think people like you are deluded. The live feed has not sparked much buzz in the last few years, so it's only right that it should be axed because only a few people used the red button service.

You seem to think that as a viewer you have the right to watch live feed, but you don't. Channel 4 have the right to do what is best for their company, and in this economic situation that answer is to get rid of the live feed which is costly and has a low demand.

Accept the decision, and move on.

Otherwise, you are just ruining the experience for other people with your constant moaning. You've posted recently under your other Blondedumbition alias that you think BB10 will be a total flop - well don't watch it then, and don't discuss it.

Oh dear oh dear - people like you really need to grow up and get some perspective :pat: .

OK, wait and see how dead this place and all the other forums are during BB10.

The success of the first BB was driven by the live feed (which launched online before the first h/l show) and message boards. It was the show that bridged the gap between TV and the web. I would say something like 25% of BB viewers at least read forums or sites like Heatworld, even if they don't actively take part. That's a minority of the total audience, but not a tiny one.

How do you think the Nasty Nick incident became such a massive phenomenon? If it wasn't for the live feed, and frenetic discussion of Nick's plotting as it began to emerge, there would never have been all those tabloid headlines and growing fascination that attracted new viewers to the show as it progressed. Most h/l shows were 22 minutes long in 2000 - only a very small amount of Nick's nefarious behaviour was aired on TV. The live feed was (and remains) absolutely essential. The ability to watch the housemates at any time of the day or night is the whole point of the show's existence, and explains why every other BB in the world still has 24/7 LF.

The live feed will still be there. Nothing is being saved at all. But C4 just won't be broadcasting it. How much do you really think it costs to have someone hit the tweety bird button occasionally? The live feed was still attracting around a million viewers over the course of every 24 hours during BB9 (although only maybe 150-200,000 might have been watching at any one time). Even that isn't bad when you look at the tiny viewing figures Richard & Judy cable show got, for example.

I don't think BB10 will be a flop - I know it will. It already is. It cannot possibly be anything else. But I promise not to gloat when it inevitably bombs :pat:

[Tom]

Originally posted bAy Aint_mad_atcha
You guys thinking that the lack of LF isnt going to make a difference, are kidding yourselves. Its not about sitting there watching 2/7, its the fact that someone is watching at one point or another. And the buzz on forums come from that. Wait until the show starts and you will see how little its talked about compared to other years. For CBB this year, Ive never seen so little interest in the show, and its mainly because of the lack of LF.
Me personally, I dont like being manipulated by the highlights, so I know I am not going to care as much. There is no way Im going to vote for one, because thats just pointless, and I will watch it probably like a soap opera rather than BB!

As for doing something about it, there is nothing to do! Theyve made their decision, and I think they are willing to live with it. I dont think Ch4 cares how the show does frankly. I think they just want to finish off the contract, and dump the show. Which is fair enough if thats their long term plan.

BB dosen't even get talked about anymore anyway (well once the day after launch night has passed) so thats where that theory fails.

For CBB6, little interest was due to an absolutely awful and boring series, not the live feed. I watch E4 streaming at night and highlights so I wasn't affected during CBB6. How do you explain that I lost interest?

The live feed is also quite manipulated and if you think otherwise then you're deluded and you need to get down off your high horse. The live feed was not the Bible equivalent of BB.

I'd rather be manipulated and entertained rather than not manipulated and bored stiff.

At the end of the day, its an entertainment show and I don't get why some people take BB so seriously.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

OK, wait and see how dead this place and all the other forums are during BB10.

This place wasn't that dead during what imo is the worst series ever, CBB6.

The success of the first BB was driven by the live feed (which launched online before the first h/l show) and message boards. It was the show that bridged the gap between TV and the web. I would say something like 25% of BB viewers at least read forums or sites like Heatworld, even if they don't actively take part. That's a minority of the total audience, but not a tiny one.

Go and ask a regular BB fan have they ever heard of "Digital Spy" or "This is Big Brother". I bet you'll get laughed at. Most fans just visit the website.


How do you think the Nasty Nick incident became such a massive phenomenon? If it wasn't for the live feed, and frenetic discussion of Nick's plotting as it began to emerge, there would never have been all those tabloid headlines and growing fascination that attracted new viewers to the show as it progressed. Most h/l shows were 22 minutes long in 2000 - only a very small amount of Nick's nefarious behaviour was aired on TV. The live feed was (and remains) absolutely essential. The ability to watch the housemates at any time of the day or night is the whole point of the show's existence, and explains why every other BB in the world still has 24/7 LF.

But the difference is that was in 2000 when the live feed was still relevant because BB was new and there was a novelty about watching people when you wanted to. Only 2 other events have caused some kind of buzz- fight night 1 and 2. And they occured at night and on E4, so if it happens again the chances are it will be on E4 anyway. Nothing happens during the day plus people have better things to do such as have lives and go to work.

The live feed will still be there. Nothing is being saved at all. But C4 just won't be broadcasting it. How much do you really think it costs to have someone hit the tweety bird button occasionally? The live feed was still attracting around a million viewers over the course of every 24 hours during BB9 (although only maybe 150-200,000 might have been watching at any one time). Even that isn't bad when you look at the tiny viewing figures Richard & Judy cable show got, for example.

Those figures are for E4 streaming, and they don't say 1m watched at all. E4 streaming will be significantly higher than the red button- not even all forum members new there was a red button service so what hope do the general public have?

I don't think BB10 will be a flop - I know it will. It already is. It cannot possibly be anything else. But I promise not to gloat when it inevitably bombs :pat:

And I won't gloat when it doesn't fall as far as you expect :pat:

Its inevitable viewing figures will be at an all time low but I doubt they'll be as low as you think. Interest is waining in Big Brother. Its that simple.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected and in the grand scheme of things noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.

Did you never come on here and talk about things that had just happened in the house? You'd be surprised how much activity on the forums the LF created. Only one person might be watching and reporting on an LUT, but 200 people would then discuss it. That's why the lack of LF will kill BB. Its influence of the enjoyment of the show was huge, no matter how few people actually sat there watching it.

Only for online fans it creates enjoyment. 99% of the viewing public DO NOT VISIT FORUMS so it will not have an effect on them. yes you can bring up the forum buzz means tabloid interest argument, but in all honesty the tabloids don't even care about BB anymore and there were just as many stories printed during CBB6 as BB9.

The sad reality is, and the thing you don't seem to be grasping, is the 3-4m who watch the highlights show just watch it. They don't care if its biased, whether theres no buzz, if noone else is watching etc just as long as it entertains them. People don't talk about Big Brother anymore, its just a TV show.

Can I ask you something. The feeling I get from you is you aren't looking forward to BB10 and all you do is moan, so what are you doing on a Big Brother forum complaining about it? Surely you have better things to do?

And if you think not watching will affect Channel 4, well it won't, unless you have a BARB box.

You think only 1% of BB viewers (around 98% of which have an internet connection) read forums? I think it's a bit more than that :joker:

There has only been one series with no 24/7 live feed - CBB6. It was an abysmal failure. A 13 week series - and no celebs - will see the majority of viewers bored to the point of switching off. It'll happen, simple as that.

I'm still a fan of Big Brother in principle, which is why I continue to post and hope that it'll end up away from C4 and on a channel that'll make it a watchable show again. I also enjoy moaning. Far as I know it's not been made illegal yet (although Gordon Brown is probably working on it :shocked: ).

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted bAy Aint_mad_atcha
You guys thinking that the lack of LF isnt going to make a difference, are kidding yourselves. Its not about sitting there watching 2/7, its the fact that someone is watching at one point or another. And the buzz on forums come from that. Wait until the show starts and you will see how little its talked about compared to other years. For CBB this year, Ive never seen so little interest in the show, and its mainly because of the lack of LF.
Me personally, I dont like being manipulated by the highlights, so I know I am not going to care as much. There is no way Im going to vote for one, because thats just pointless, and I will watch it probably like a soap opera rather than BB!

As for doing something about it, there is nothing to do! Theyve made their decision, and I think they are willing to live with it. I dont think Ch4 cares how the show does frankly. I think they just want to finish off the contract, and dump the show. Which is fair enough if thats their long term plan.

BB dosen't even get talked about anymore anyway (well once the day after launch night has passed) so thats where that theory fails.

For CBB6, little interest was due to an absolutely awful and boring series, not the live feed. I watch E4 streaming at night and highlights so I wasn't affected during CBB6. How do you explain that I lost interest?

The live feed is also quite manipulated and if you think otherwise then you're deluded and you need to get down off your high horse. The live feed was not the Bible equivalent of BB.

I'd rather be manipulated and entertained rather than not manipulated and bored stiff.

At the end of the day, its an entertainment show and I don't get why some people take BB so seriously.

Can you talk normally without being rude to people! I think I gave my opinion as to how this series is gonna go, I dont really see the point of you saying things like I am deluded and get off your high horse. If anything, youre the one who needs to get a grip and stop trying to say the same thing a million times on one thread already. I think your opinion is quite clear from the 20 replies you have already, so, why dont you go argue with someone else, if you cant communicate properly.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse

OK, wait and see how dead this place and all the other forums are during BB10.

This place wasn't that dead during what imo is the worst series ever, CBB6.

The success of the first BB was driven by the live feed (which launched online before the first h/l show) and message boards. It was the show that bridged the gap between TV and the web. I would say something like 25% of BB viewers at least read forums or sites like Heatworld, even if they don't actively take part. That's a minority of the total audience, but not a tiny one.

Go and ask a regular BB fan have they ever heard of "Digital Spy" or "This is Big Brother". I bet you'll get laughed at. Most fans just visit the website.


How do you think the Nasty Nick incident became such a massive phenomenon? If it wasn't for the live feed, and frenetic discussion of Nick's plotting as it began to emerge, there would never have been all those tabloid headlines and growing fascination that attracted new viewers to the show as it progressed. Most h/l shows were 22 minutes long in 2000 - only a very small amount of Nick's nefarious behaviour was aired on TV. The live feed was (and remains) absolutely essential. The ability to watch the housemates at any time of the day or night is the whole point of the show's existence, and explains why every other BB in the world still has 24/7 LF.

But the difference is that was in 2000 when the live feed was still relevant because BB was new and there was a novelty about watching people when you wanted to. Only 2 other events have caused some kind of buzz- fight night 1 and 2. And they occured at night and on E4, so if it happens again the chances are it will be on E4 anyway. Nothing happens during the day plus people have better things to do such as have lives and go to work.

The live feed will still be there. Nothing is being saved at all. But C4 just won't be broadcasting it. How much do you really think it costs to have someone hit the tweety bird button occasionally? The live feed was still attracting around a million viewers over the course of every 24 hours during BB9 (although only maybe 150-200,000 might have been watching at any one time). Even that isn't bad when you look at the tiny viewing figures Richard & Judy cable show got, for example.

Those figures are for E4 streaming, and they don't say 1m watched at all. E4 streaming will be significantly higher than the red button- not even all forum members new there was a red button service so what hope do the general public have?

I don't think BB10 will be a flop - I know it will. It already is. It cannot possibly be anything else. But I promise not to gloat when it inevitably bombs :pat:

And I won't gloat when it doesn't fall as far as you expect :pat:

Its inevitable viewing figures will be at an all time low but I doubt they'll be as low as you think. Interest is waining in Big Brother. Its that simple.

Just answer this one question (which C4 have adamantly refused to, no matter how many people ask it): why does every other BB in the world still have round the clock live feed?

[President]

OK, wait and see how dead this place and all the other forums are during BB10.
As I've said in one of my previous posts, I accept that the forum experience will not be as good as preious years.

But the majority of the BB audience do NOT use forums. So it won't make a difference to them.

For 90%+ of viewers, the highlights and eviction shows are the only bits they watch for BB.

Please try and grasp that.

The success of the first BB was driven by the live feed (which launched online before the first h/l show) and message boards. It was the show that bridged the gap between TV and the web. I would say something like 25% of BB viewers at least read forums or sites like Heatworld, even if they don't actively take part. That's a minority of the total audience, but not a tiny one.
Why do you keep going back to BB1?!

Yes, BB1 was hugely affected by the live feed which wasvery popualr, I admit.

But in recent years the live feed service has been very low-key and used by hardly anyone.

You can't compare now to BB1. You simply can't. But for some reason, you are. You perfectly know that the live feed is not as essential now as 10 years ago.

Oh please try and get some perspective son.

How do you think the Nasty Nick incident became such a massive phenomenon? If it wasn't for the live feed, and frenetic discussion of Nick's plotting as it began to emerge, there would never have been all those tabloid headlines and growing fascination that attracted new viewers to the show as it progressed. Most h/l shows were 22 minutes long in 2000 - only a very small amount of Nick's nefarious behaviour was aired on TV. The live feed was (and remains) absolutely essential. The ability to watch the housemates at any time of the day or night is the whole point of the show's existence, and explains why every other BB in the world still has 24/7 LF.
For god's sake, we know that the live feed did affect the series early on. But in recent years live feed has been nothing.

Nick obviously beneffitted hugely from live feed. But times move on, and shows move on. Live Feed is of minimal importance now.

It is not essential to the majority of the audience, contrary to your ridiculous thoughts. The majority of the audience do NOT watch the live feed. It is just a few 1000 fans like us who watch it.

No one else cares. If getting rid of live feed was such a shocking decision, the media would have written articles about it and complained. But no one has even made mention about it apart from the Daily Star, which is the worst newspaper in our country.

The live feed will still be there. Nothing is being saved at all. But C4 just won't be broadcasting it. How much do you really think it costs to have someone hit the tweety bird button occasionally? The live feed was still attracting around a million viewers over the course of every 24 hours during BB9 (although only maybe 150-200,000 might have been watching at any one time). Even that isn't bad when you look at the tiny viewing figures Richard & Judy cable show got, for example.
No. You are wrong with your facts and figures. The red button live feed rarely got over 20,000 viewers. That is a fact. You cannot dismiss that.

Yiour claim that nearly 1 million people watch live feed per day is a huge overestimation.

I am a neutral- I am disappointed by the axing of the feed byut I can understand the situation. You on the other hand have a particular point to prove, and are churning out false lies.

Hence, you're a liar.

I don't think BB10 will be a flop - I know it will. It already is. It cannot possibly be anything else. But I promise not to gloat when it inevitably bombs :pat:
Hey, if you know BB10 is a flop, why don't you leave the forum and stop talking about it and brining a negative view constantly over here and on DS. Just stop.

Maybe it will get the worst ratings ever. Does that mean it's because of live feed? No.

BB4, BB8 flopped in the ratings, and both had live feed. So your theory is absolutely absurd.

The delusional have deluded themselves. Grow up, move on and stop moaning. :pat:

[Wildcat!]

An yes, this place was completely dead during CBB! In fact, I think me and about 3 other people actually cared to make posts about what was going on in the house, outside of the one hour highlight show. ANd this is gonna be even worst givent that its 3 months long.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse


Just answer this one question (which C4 have adamantly refused to, no matter how many people ask it): why does every other BB in the world still have round the clock live feed?

Simple answer. Because those other BB's care about the shows future. Channel 4 does not. Thats pretty obvious. If they did, they would try to improve it, not basically make it a soap opera. So, I hope some of you guys will enjoy a well scripted 3 months BB!

[President]

Just answer this one question (which C4 have adamantly refused to, no matter how many people ask it): why does every other BB in the world still have round the clock live feed?
Our show is completely different to others, because there have been about 18 series! 18! No other country has had so many series.

Inevtibaly the interest in the shwo will drop after so many series, hence live feed demand drops.

For other countries live feed is essential because they've had such a little experience of wathcing the show, for exmaple like us during BB1-BB5.

But once you've done so many series, live feed is unimportant. I mean just look at BB Australia: the show has even been axed.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
OK, wait and see how dead this place and all the other forums are during BB10.
As I've said in one of my previous posts, I accept that the forum experience will not be as good as preious years.

But the majority of the BB audience do NOT use forums. So it won't make a difference to them.

For 90%+ of viewers, the highlights and eviction shows are the only bits they watch for BB.

Please try and grasp that.

The success of the first BB was driven by the live feed (which launched online before the first h/l show) and message boards. It was the show that bridged the gap between TV and the web. I would say something like 25% of BB viewers at least read forums or sites like Heatworld, even if they don't actively take part. That's a minority of the total audience, but not a tiny one.
Why do you keep going back to BB1?!

Yes, BB1 was hugely affected by the live feed which wasvery popualr, I admit.

But in recent years the live feed service has been very low-key and used by hardly anyone.

You can't compare now to BB1. You simply can't. But for some reason, you are. You perfectly know that the live feed is not as essential now as 10 years ago.

Oh please try and get some perspective son.

How do you think the Nasty Nick incident became such a massive phenomenon? If it wasn't for the live feed, and frenetic discussion of Nick's plotting as it began to emerge, there would never have been all those tabloid headlines and growing fascination that attracted new viewers to the show as it progressed. Most h/l shows were 22 minutes long in 2000 - only a very small amount of Nick's nefarious behaviour was aired on TV. The live feed was (and remains) absolutely essential. The ability to watch the housemates at any time of the day or night is the whole point of the show's existence, and explains why every other BB in the world still has 24/7 LF.
For god's sake, we know that the live feed did affect the series early on. But in recent years live feed has been nothing.

Nick obviously beneffitted hugely from live feed. But times move on, and shows move on. Live Feed is of minimal importance now.

It is not essential to the majority of the audience, contrary to your ridiculous thoughts. The majority of the audience do NOT watch the live feed. It is just a few 1000 fans like us who watch it.

No one else cares. If getting rid of live feed was such a shocking decision, the media would have written articles about it and complained. But no one has even made mention about it apart from the Daily Star, which is the worst newspaper in our country.

The live feed will still be there. Nothing is being saved at all. But C4 just won't be broadcasting it. How much do you really think it costs to have someone hit the tweety bird button occasionally? The live feed was still attracting around a million viewers over the course of every 24 hours during BB9 (although only maybe 150-200,000 might have been watching at any one time). Even that isn't bad when you look at the tiny viewing figures Richard & Judy cable show got, for example.
No. You are wrong with your facts and figures. The red button live feed rarely got over 20,000 viewers. That is a fact. You cannot dismiss that.

Yiour claim that nearly 1 million people watch live feed per day is a huge overestimation.

I am a neutral- I am disappointed by the axing of the feed byut I can understand the situation. You on the other hand have a particular point to prove, and are churning out false lies.

Hence, you're a liar.

I don't think BB10 will be a flop - I know it will. It already is. It cannot possibly be anything else. But I promise not to gloat when it inevitably bombs :pat:
Hey, if you know BB10 is a flop, why don't you leave the forum and stop talking about it and brining a negative view constantly over here and on DS. Just stop.

Maybe it will get the worst ratings ever. Does that mean it's because of live feed? No.

BB4, BB8 flopped in the ratings, and both had live feed. So your theory is absolutely absurd.

The delusional have deluded themselves. Grow up, move on and stop moaning. :pat:

BB4 wasn't a ratings flop. It just seemed that way after the extraordinarily high ratings of BB3. And C4 would kill to have BB8's viewing figures now.

I was under the impression this forum (and DSBB) was for the discussion of BB - be it positive or negative or a bit of both. Nothing I (or you) say or do will make any difference either way to the outcome :joker:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Just answer this one question (which C4 have adamantly refused to, no matter how many people ask it): why does every other BB in the world still have round the clock live feed?
Our show is completely different to others, because there have been about 18 series! 18! No other country has had so many series.

Inevtibaly the interest in the shwo will drop after so many series, hence live feed demand drops.

For other countries live feed is essential because they've had such a little experience of wathcing the show, for exmaple like us during BB1-BB5.

But once you've done so many series, live feed is unimportant. I mean just look at BB Australia: the show has even been axed.

As of BB7 (the 13th series), the ratings were holding up great and there was no sign of enthusiasm or viewing figures diminishing. Channel 4 are wholly to blame for the problems the show now has.

The whole premise of Big Brother is that viewers have the ability to watch the housemates at any time. That's the one fundamental aspect of BB that cannot be altered. Take away the live feed and suddenly you have just another boring reality show. It will be a soap opera. Anything they want to stop the viewers seeing they'll just not include in the edit. As they did during CBB6 (it was so obvious even the housemates - particularly Tommy - used to talk about it).

BBUK has become a laughing stock and Endemol are absolutely furious.

[President]

BB4 wasn't a ratings flop. It just seemed that way after the extraordinarily high ratings of BB3. And C4 would kill to have BB8's viewing figures now.
At the time though, those ratings were flops.

It's easy to look back now and say: "Hey, you know what they were quite good".

But actually they weren't. After a succesful series, most programmes want to hold onto that audience. Just look at Britain's Got Talent. Last year saw a huge surge in ratings, and this year has continued a surge.

Now, I'm not saying BB4 should have matched BB3's figures. But it should have had a better audience retention. A loss of 1.3m was big. You can't deny that. It was a ratings flop, and the same for BB8.

You know it, but because of your biased views you won't publicly say it.

I was under the impression this forum (and DSBB) was for the discussion of BB - be it positive or negative or a bit of both. Nothing I (or you) say or do will make any difference either way to the outcome :joker:
Of course, I do understand that. BUt if you constantly moan about something, as advice: it would be best if you stop moaning by not coming on these forums.

Obviously you seem to have a huge emotional attachment to the show- one attachment far bigger than a normal sane person. Hence you've been emotionally damaged by the removal of live feed, and it seems like you're draining your sorrows onto the forums.

Unfortunately Blondedumbition, it's quite annoying to us lot who just want to enjoy the experience. So why don't you stay in your dedicated "Live Feed Appreciation" threads or simply leave to make this much easier for all of us.

Thank you, and I hope you have got well after you hurt your head last year. Maybe that's causing some of those emotional problems I've talked about abve. :pat:

[President]

As of BB7 (the 13th series), the ratings were holding up great and there was no sign of enthusiasm or viewing figures diminishing. Channel 4 are wholly to blame for the problems the show now has.
O dear oh dear. :pat:

You're completely missing the point son. Completely.

The loss of viewers in the last couple of years has mainly been due to the farcical CBB5, which made a lot of people furious. It's a fact that CBB5 is the main reason why viewership has declined so much.

Do not make up another reason for the show's decline. You know perfectly well that Shilpa-Gate was a big factor.

The whole premise of Big Brother is that viewers have the ability to watch the housemates at any time. That's the one fundamental aspect of BB that cannot be altered. Take away the live feed and suddenly you have just another boring reality show. It will be a soap opera. Anything they want to stop the viewers seeing they'll just not include in the edit. As they did during CBB6 (it was so obvious even the housemates - particularly Tommy - used to talk about it).
Actually, that was the premise of Big Brother when it first started out. Like all shows, there has to be evolution.

The live feed is rendered pointless now. At first it was evolutionary and fresh and new, so had a big appeal.

After 18 series, it's no longer needed. Hence the big loss in demand. You are in such a little muinority, it's unbelievable.


BBUK has become a laughing stock and Endemol are absolutely furious.
It's not really a laughing stock because of the live feed. 3m people or so still enjoy it. Yes, a lot of people hate it: but it's not because of there being no live feed. It's because BB is seen as a trashy show. Can't you understand that- or did you lose the competence and ability to use common sense after your "injury" last year? :puzzled:

You're the laughing stock in my opinion. The delusional like you are pointless beings. Won't listen to anyone else's opinions and you think you're right all the time. Just grow up... you sound like a little baby boy crying over and over again about the same thing :pat: .

[ross-oaft]

It's not going to bother me very much. Reason being it gets me frustated when the voices are blocked when something interesting is said. I can understand why people are angry with the axe of live feed because it does appear a vital part of the original big brother concept.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
BB4 wasn't a ratings flop. It just seemed that way after the extraordinarily high ratings of BB3. And C4 would kill to have BB8's viewing figures now.
At the time though, those ratings were flops.

It's easy to look back now and say: "Hey, you know what they were quite good".

But actually they weren't. After a succesful series, most programmes want to hold onto that audience. Just look at Britain's Got Talent. Last year saw a huge surge in ratings, and this year has continued a surge.

Now, I'm not saying BB4 should have matched BB3's figures. But it should have had a better audience retention. A loss of 1.3m was big. You can't deny that. It was a ratings flop, and the same for BB8.

You know it, but because of your biased views you won't publicly say it.

I was under the impression this forum (and DSBB) was for the discussion of BB - be it positive or negative or a bit of both. Nothing I (or you) say or do will make any difference either way to the outcome :joker:
Of course, I do understand that. BUt if you constantly moan about something, as advice: it would be best if you stop moaning by not coming on these forums.

Obviously you seem to have a huge emotional attachment to the show- one attachment far bigger than a normal sane person. Hence you've been emotionally damaged by the removal of live feed, and it seems like you're draining your sorrows onto the forums.

Unfortunately Blondedumbition, it's quite annoying to us lot who just want to enjoy the experience. So why don't you stay in your dedicated "Live Feed Appreciation" threads or simply leave to make this much easier for all of us.

Thank you, and I hope you have got well after you hurt your head last year. Maybe that's causing some of those emotional problems I've talked about abve. :pat:

BB4 was a flop. It was dire. It was hideously boring. But the ratings were still considered excellent by C4. The reason for the makeover that followed in BB5 wasn't one focused on boosting the ratings so much as giving BB its edge back. BB8 was also a flop - I never suggested it wasn't, only that C4 would love to have almost 4 million viewers again, but they've alienated so many former fans that they'll never win them back again.

I have never claimed to be sane. IMHO, no one who spends hours talking about wannabes living in a house on some demented RTV show can be judged sane. If I'm wrong about something, I'll admit it. But I know I'm right regarding the loss of the live feed. So I'll continue to bang on. Please feel free to ignore my posts and stop replying to them, something you oddly seem compelled to do.

I didn't hurt my head, I had major brain surgery to remove a bleeding tumour. It hasn't had any lasting effects, though, except to make me a lot less argumentative than I used to be. I am now far more agreeable and rarely get annoyed by even the most tiresome forumites these days :laugh2:

[Stentionhouse]

Damn this weird board and it's buttons in the wrong places :mad::joker:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
As of BB7 (the 13th series), the ratings were holding up great and there was no sign of enthusiasm or viewing figures diminishing. Channel 4 are wholly to blame for the problems the show now has.
O dear oh dear. :pat:

You're completely missing the point son. Completely.

The loss of viewers in the last couple of years has mainly been due to the farcical CBB5, which made a lot of people furious. It's a fact that CBB5 is the main reason why viewership has declined so much.

Do not make up another reason for the show's decline. You know perfectly well that Shilpa-Gate was a big factor.

The whole premise of Big Brother is that viewers have the ability to watch the housemates at any time. That's the one fundamental aspect of BB that cannot be altered. Take away the live feed and suddenly you have just another boring reality show. It will be a soap opera. Anything they want to stop the viewers seeing they'll just not include in the edit. As they did during CBB6 (it was so obvious even the housemates - particularly Tommy - used to talk about it).
Actually, that was the premise of Big Brother when it first started out. Like all shows, there has to be evolution.

The live feed is rendered pointless now. At first it was evolutionary and fresh and new, so had a big appeal.

After 18 series, it's no longer needed. Hence the big loss in demand. You are in such a little muinority, it's unbelievable.


BBUK has become a laughing stock and Endemol are absolutely furious.
It's not really a laughing stock because of the live feed. 3m people or so still enjoy it. Yes, a lot of people hate it: but it's not because of there being no live feed. It's because BB is seen as a trashy show. Can't you understand that- or did you lose the competence and ability to use common sense after your "injury" last year? :puzzled:

You're the laughing stock in my opinion. The delusional like you are pointless beings. Won't listen to anyone else's opinions and you think you're right all the time. Just grow up... you sound like a little baby boy crying over and over again about the same thing :pat: .

Erm...I was referring to Shilpagate when I said the problems were of C4's making. It was their idiotic idea to put Jade & co in the CBB5, which everyone but them knew would end in disaster.

Despite the live feed having no appeal, according to you, every other BB in the world still has it. Out of a sense of nostalgia, I expect, not because anyone is really interested in it :pat:

There is no way you can say the lack of LF won't affect the show because in CBB6 it did, and we haven't yet had a three month series with non-celebs in the house. That's obviously where the lack of feed will really be felt.

Now, isn't it time you were doing your homework?

[President]

BB4 was a flop. It was dire. It was hideously boring. But the ratings were still considered excellent by C4. The reason for the makeover that followed in BB5 wasn't one focused on boosting the ratings so much as giving BB its edge back.
Yes, the BB4 ratings were exellent for a Channel 4 show. But it must have been disappointing for the channel that there was such a sharp drop compared to BB3, because there could have been potentital for another 5m series if it had been good.

BB8 was also a flop - I never suggested it wasn't, only that C4 would love to have almost 4 million viewers again, but they've alienated so many former fans that they'll never win them back again.
Of course.

I have never claimed to be sane. IMHO, no one who spends hours talking about wannabes living in a house on some demented RTV show can be judged sane.
Thanks for clearing that up.

If I'm wrong about something, I'll admit it. But I know I'm right regarding the loss of the live feed. So I'll continue to bang on.
No, you're not definitely right. It's an opinion. It's not a fact.

Please feel free to ignore my posts and stop replying to them, something you oddly seem compelled to do.
This is a discussion forum. Maybe you should expect people to reply to your posts. Not everyone will agree with what you say. :pat:

I didn't hurt my head, I had major brain surgery to remove a bleeding tumour. It hasn't had any lasting effects, though, except to make me a lot less argumentative than I used to be. I am now far more agreeable and rarely get annoyed by even the most tiresome forumites these days :laugh2:
If you're like this right now, I do dread how you were pre-op. Hope your recovery is going well. :blush2:

Erm...I was referring to Shilpagate when I said the problems were of C4's making. It was their idiotic idea to put Jade & co in the CBB5, which everyone but them knew would end in disaster.
Ok, maybe you should have made it clearer in your previous post.

Despite the live feed having no appeal, according to you, every other BB in the world still has it.
Well I never said it has "no appeal". But factually and statically, the appeal for Live Feed is very small compared to the total Big Brother audience. I wish it was still around, but I can accept the decision.

As explained in my previous post, let's see if these other countries will even have BB running after it's 18th series, let alone live feed. :dance2:

Out of a sense of nostalgia, I expect, not because anyone is really interested in it :pat:
Yes, you are being nostalgic. You seem to be forgetting that the live feed was pretty awful in recent years. For BB9, you had no web feed and there were breaks every so often, bird tweeting, sound loss, etc.

But hey- you seem to think live feed recently was like BB1. Get a grip son, because you know it wasn't.

There is no way you can say the lack of LF won't affect the show because in CBB6 it did, and we haven't yet had a three month series with non-celebs in the house. That's obviously where the lack of feed will really be felt.
I never said it would NOT affect the show. Of course it will, but perhaps as much a factor as you are suggesting.

CBB6 was an awful series anyways. You can't know that because you didn't watch it according to your previous post. Maybe you're lying actually... you're good at that, aren't you Blondedumbition?

The housemates were terrible, the tasks were lazy, the house was crap, the atmosphere was poor. The series as a whole was a disaster. The lack of live feed was a small factor in the series' decline, not a big one which you are inferring.

Now, isn't it time you were doing your homework?
No, I think you should be addressing that to your self. You're the one that's acting like a little baby, ranting on and on about the same old thing like a broken record.

Get a grip of yourself. Your health has already suffered, don't worsen it by being so emotional about a television show which has evolved in 10 years. It's perfectly normal for tv shows to move on. The whol live feed being fundamental thing was indeed the case for the first few series, but hasn't been the case in recent years.

You know that, but you've got a delusional mind which will not accept other people's valid opinions. Blimey, people like you really need to sit down and take everything into account and accept certain decisions.

Now get on with tyour homework Blondedumbition- you "Poodle Picker" who enjoys "Hunky Guys"... LMAO... how pathetic; you said you would never join DS again, and yet you did. You even created a new alias to hide yourself. Pathetic... LMAO!!!! :pat:

[Stentionhouse]

What's a poodle picker? Are you confusing me with someone else? :conf:

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
What's a poodle picker? Are you confusing me with someone else? :conf:
I don't have a clue what it is.

But on your Blondedumbition profile, you originally said you were a 'Poodle Picker' whatever that means. It's not there anymore.

Obviously you're trying to make sure your real identity was not found out, but a lot of people know that it's you Stentionhouse. Even your arch nemesis- Eternal Life knows it's you.

You really should try and be better at conceiling your identity. I mean, if you go on your YouTube channel it says RIP BB or something similar. Your blonde account says the same thing.

I found it funny that you pretended you were either female or a gay by saying you have an interest in "Hunky Guys". You've previously said you're married to a female. So those new things you said, that made me laugh .

LOL, pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. :pat:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
What's a poodle picker? Are you confusing me with someone else? :conf:
I don't have a clue what it is.

But on your Blondedumbition profile, you originally said you were a 'Poodle Picker' whatever that means. It's not there anymore.

Obviously you're trying to make sure your real identity was not found out, but a lot of people know that it's you Stentionhouse. Even your arch nemesis- Eternal Life knows it's you.

You really should try and be better at conceiling your identity. I mean, if you go on your YouTube channel it says RIP BB or something similar. Your blonde account says the same thing.

I found it funny that you pretended you were either female or a gay by saying you have an interest in "Hunky Guys". You've previously said you're married to a female. So those new things you said, that made me laugh .

LOL, pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. :pat:

So your real name is President - or are you concealing your identity too?

If I wanted to conceal my identity, I could easily do so and have on several occasions on DS, for fun :dance2: One of my nyms was actually quite well known for a while :joker:

Have you run mad - since when has Eternal Life been my nemesis, arch or otherwise? :shrug: I don't ever remember talking to her when I was on DSBB.

Also, I'm not and have never been married.

[President]

So your real name is President - or are you concealing your identity too?
Well of course my real name isn't President... duhh :yuk:.

At least I'm not pretending to be someone else. We all know you're blondedumbition.

If I wanted to conceal my identity, I could easily do so and have on several occasions on DS, for fun :dance2: One of my nyms was actually quite well known for a while :joker:
Mr Blonde, was it?

Have you run mad - since when has Eternal Life been my nemesis, arch or otherwise? :shrug: I don't ever remember talking to her when I was on DSBB.
Well she's got a bad opinion of you. Just check out her DTV posts.

Also, I'm not and have never been married.
Oh right, so you lied before as well. When you stopped going on your YouTube account due to your injury, someone logged into your YouTube account and said they were your wife and told all of us what had happened to you.

Maybe it was you after all? :mad:

[Wildcat!]

Waaw, President. Do you realise how much of a stalker you soundlike? And youre calling someone pathetic? Pathetic is not only knowing someone has quit a forum, knowing they said they will never come back. I mean As big as DS is you manage to get all that? And in addition having suspicion about this person joining with a different name? NOw thats pathetic, and a bit worrying to be honest! And apparently, he is not the only ones every move you monitor!
errr, how bout getting a life?

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
So your real name is President - or are you concealing your identity too?
Well of course my real name isn't President... duhh :yuk:.

At least I'm not pretending to be someone else. We all know you're blondedumbition.

If I wanted to conceal my identity, I could easily do so and have on several occasions on DS, for fun :dance2: One of my nyms was actually quite well known for a while :joker:
Mr Blonde, was it?

Have you run mad - since when has Eternal Life been my nemesis, arch or otherwise? :shrug: I don't ever remember talking to her when I was on DSBB.
Well she's got a bad opinion of you. Just check out her DTV posts.

Also, I'm not and have never been married.
Oh right, so you lied before as well. When you stopped going on your YouTube account due to your injury, someone logged into your YouTube account and said they were your wife and told all of us what had happened to you.

Maybe it was you after all? :mad:

How do you know? Have you been here with me while I posted on DS using a new nym? Thought not :joker:

What is DTV?

My other half has never claimed to be my wife, because she's not :joker:

The problem with tittle tattles and gossips is that they rarely get their facts right.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Waaw, President. Do you realise how much of a stalker you soundlike? And youre calling someone pathetic? Pathetic is not only knowing someone has quit a forum, knowing they said they will never come back. I mean As big as DS is you manage to get all that? And in addition having suspicion about this person joining with a different name? NOw thats pathetic, and a bit worrying to be honest! errr, how bout getting a life?

Yeah, and I'm supposed to be the obsessive one with a fixation here :wink:

[Wildcat!]

ANd please dont start following me around, or look for me on DS and things like that! NOw I wish I never joined this conversation!

[Deirdre]

So there's no live feed AT ALL?

[President]

What is DTV?
You know perfectly well :xyxwave:.

The problem with tittle tattles and gossips is that they rarely get their facts right.
I'm no gossip. You're the one who asked me about the Poodle thing and made it into the big discussion.

My main points were always about the live feed. It's your curiosity which has promted me to reveal all those things about you :bigsmile:

[President]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
ANd please dont start following me around, or look for me on DS and things like that! NOw I wish I never joined this conversation!
Well, I won't :thumbs:

Stentionhouse prompted the conversation about his history by asking me about the Poodle Picker thing.

[President]

Originally posted by Deirdre
So there's no live feed AT ALL?
There's live feed on E4 between around 23:30-06:00.

Not much at all.

It's quite disappointing, but no need to make a huge fuss over it because only a minority of the audience actually used the service.

[James]

Hey President, stick to the subject, none of this personal stuff against posters.

[Wildcat!]

Doesnt matter what prompted what! Whats obvious is, youre pretty stalkerish!

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Deirdre
So there's no live feed AT ALL?

Only when they are mostly asleep (11.30pm-6am).

[President]

Originally posted by James
Hey President, stick to the subject, none of this personal stuff against posters.
Sorry.

I was asked to expand about it by the poster, so I did.

I won't do so in the future sir. :thumbs:

[Stentionhouse]

I seem to have been living a double life of which I am completely unaware :joker:

Regarding the title of this thread - contacting the new sponsor and expressing dissatisfaction would probably be a good place to start.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
I seem to have been living a double life of which I am completely unaware :joker:
The administrator said don't talk about it, so don't.

Regarding the title of this thread - contacting the new sponsor and expressing dissatisfaction would probably be a good place to start.
The sponsors paid based on the fact there will be minimal live feed. They're not stupid. :pat:

[Deirdre]

Oh right. Well I don't mind cause that's usually the time I always watch it. I don't watch it during the day cause I'll be gone somewhere and I watch it and night when I can't sleep.

But I do see how some people are angry because they watch it during the day.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

You think only 1% of BB viewers (around 98% of which have an internet connection) read forums? I think it's a bit more than that :joker:

Yes, I do think only a very small number read forums. I do, however, think about 50% of viewers visit the website frequently. I strongly doubt any go further than that.

There has only been one series with no 24/7 live feed - CBB6. It was an abysmal failure. A 13 week series - and no celebs - will see the majority of viewers bored to the point of switching off. It'll happen, simple as that.

It was also a rubbish series. It was boring. Add the live feed and it would still be boring and figures would have fallen.

I'm still a fan of Big Brother in principle, which is why I continue to post and hope that it'll end up away from C4 and on a channel that'll make it a watchable show again. I also enjoy moaning. Far as I know it's not been made illegal yet (although Gordon Brown is probably working on it :shocked: ).

If all you do is moan then no, you're clearly not a fan of Big Brother. I used to like Shameless. I now hate it. I don't sit around moaning about it all day just to get the point across. I moved on and just don't bother with it anymore.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha

Can you talk normally without being rude to people! I think I gave my opinion as to how this series is going to go, I dont really see the point of you saying things like I am deluded and get off your high horse. If anything, youre the one who needs to get a grip and stop trying to say the same thing a million times on one thread already. I think your opinion is quite clear from the 20 replies you have already, so, why dont you go argue with someone else, if you cant communicate properly.

I could turn that entire post around back on you. I can communicate perfectly well thanks. I was stating my opinion, as harsh as it may seem. You should know by now I'm one to tell it how it is. I also think you're an extremely rude member lately so you can't really pull anyone up.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

Just answer this one question (which C4 have adamantly refused to, no matter how many people ask it): why does every other BB in the world still have round the clock live feed?

No idea. Now don't think for one second I don't think there should be a live feed- I do. But I just don't think its as crucial as some are making out.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Can you talk normally without being rude to people!

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
Errrrm, I think it has more to do with the fact that youre a douche!

[Wildcat!]

HArsh? There is nothing harsh about your opinion. Its an opinion, plain and simple, that all it is. There is a difference between that, and the inability to communicate without calling people names!

And again, I dont see the point in repeating the same thing 20 times, it just sound like a broken record. Also, telling people they should not come to the forum if they dont like it, is another sign of inability to communicate.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
HArsh? There is nothing harsh about your opinion. Its an opinion, plain and simple, that all it is. There is a difference between that, and the inability to communicate without calling people names!

And again, I dont see the point in repeating the same thing 20 times, it just sound like a broken record. Also, telling people they should not come to the forum if they dont like it, is another sign of inability to communicate.

Oh I know, I'm going to go and sign up to an astronomy forum. I have absolutely zero interest but lets go and complain anyway. Its a fan forum. Seriously, what is the point in being here if you aren't a fan of the show?

You also repeat a lot of things so again its double standards, paired with you calling people names left right and centre. I used to have quite a lot of respect for you tbh (and I can have it and disagree- I have quite a lot for Stentionhouse) but if you're going to pull people up on things, at least check you aren't doing it yourself!!

[Wildcat!]

I do not repeat my opinion about a subject over and over again. And respecting someone means being able to say what you think without name calling. If am rude to someone, its because theyve said something to me to deserve it.
And to be perfectly honest, I dont care if you respect me or not, just state your opinion. You dont have to respect me! Just respect the forum!

[Captain.Remy]

What are we going to do about it?


Either you watch it by night or you get your ass sat on the TV every night. :thumbs:

It's not that complicated is it ?

[Indierock&roll]

die



is it just the red button thing or live feed all together? like of a night they always have live feed and the through the day too so theres no problemo

[Tom]

Originally posted by Indierock&roll
die



is it just the red button thing or live feed all together? like of a night they always have live feed and the through the day too so theres no problemo

Only the red button has gone

[chas22cl]

personally i think it stinks,again c4 has cocked things up let someone else take over the whole of bb maybe it will better run and the public will get what they want istead of what c4 tell you what you have to watch

[nanabree]

PLEASE DONT SPOIL BB FOR THE FANS GIVE US LIVE FEED. :shrug::sleep:

[BBDodge]

Originally posted by Tom
If all you do is moan then no, you're clearly not a fan of Big Brother. I used to like Shameless. I now hate it. I don't sit around moaning about it all day just to get the point across. I moved on and just don't bother with it anymore.

Unfortunately 1-2 million BB fans have done the same thing and it's not attracting new fans quick enough to replace them. A successful BB would need to take account of what the fans are moaning about and correct it.

Unfortunately Channel 4 only care about what the non-fans are moaning about. And those people don't want BB on the air at all.

All BB fans should support the transmission of the live feed, whether they watch if for hours or minutes, or indeed, never at all. It's an integral part of the concept. If you don't want to post endless messages about it, fair enough, but others will continue the fight and it is perfectly right that they should do so.

[James]

Below is a link to complain to channel 4 should you choose to do so:


They would have made this decision when they budgeted the series. No amount of complaining is going to change anything.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by James

Below is a link to complain to channel 4 should you choose to do so:


They would have made this decision when they budgeted the series. No amount of complaining is going to change anything.

Faced with the prospect of having half the audience they did during BB9, C4 would act. No decision is irreversible. I would bet money they at least compromise by adding a bit of daytime LF as the series progresses :wink:

[Jackie]

I hope they bring it back won't be the same without it.

[Brekkie]

I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

[President]

Friends got about 4 times more viewers than BB Live feed and is cheaper.

No wonder C4 got rid of the live feed/

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.
Most digital channels show repeats throughout the day.

ITV2 keeps showing Jeremy Kyle and Judge Judy crap.
BBC3 keep showing Pint of Lager repeats.
E4 keep showing Friends repeats.

It's perfectly normal. But I suppose you have a vested interest and biased view about things, don't you :pat:

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

Repeats are successful on daytime TV (Jeremy Kyle gets a huge audience for ITV2), its why they show them. Next to no digital channels show new programming in the day

If Friends gets 0.3m and BB live gets 0.1m (which is roughly what each gets) then its obvious what they're going to make more money from

[thisisme2008]

The problem is I don't think Channel4 would want to waste money showing live feed when there is such a small minority of viewers that watch it regularly...

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

Repeats are successful on daytime TV (Jeremy Kyle gets a huge audience for ITV2), its why they show them. Next to no digital channels show new programming in the day

If Friends gets 0.3m and BB live gets 0.1m (which is roughly what each gets) then its obvious what they're going to make more money from

But (and this is the very last time I'm going to say this) BB cannot and will not work without a round the clock live feed. If you want the main show to be successful, you must have the LF. The series with the best and most comprehensive live feed (BB3) also had huge ratings, far higher than any other series. Coincidence? I think not.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by thisisme2008
The problem is I don't think Channel4 would want to waste money showing live feed when there is such a small minority of viewers that watch it regularly...

And yet they had no qualms about wasting money throughout BB1-9, CBB1-5, Celeb Hijack and even the BB Panto? So C4 squandered money for 16 series and yet want government funding? No.

Channel 4 have dropped the live feed because if another scandal broke during BB10, it would destroy any chance they have of getting government money. That is the reason the feed has gone. That is the only reason. I challenge anyone from C4 to show details of how exactly they are saving money by not having a round the clock feed. They can't, because they aren't. FFS, even dirt poor Albania has two live feed channels :shrug:

[Brekkie]

They've had nine months to show Friends during the day if they wanted too - they didn't bother.

The minute the slot could be put to better use by offering the viewers something different, they put it in.


You compare E4's audience share during Big Brother and outside of Big Brother. The difference is clear - even last year they rated significantly better during the summer (and most channels lose viewers over the summer!). Those who think ratings are the main reason are clearly quite gullible.


I think there is a lot of ignorance amongst the people dismissing the effect it'll have. Just wait until Day 2. Whether in the morning, or once home from school or work, if it's gone well the night before you'd be wanting to dip into the live stream just to see what's happening. But no, you won't have the choice!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

But (and this is the very last time I'm going to say this) BB cannot and will not work without a round the clock live feed. If you want the main show to be successful, you must have the LF. The series with the best and most comprehensive live feed (BB3) also had huge ratings, far higher than any other series. Coincidence? I think not.

That was when the live feed was relevant though, its irrelevant now. People actually used to watch it. You're basing the inability for BB to survive on a rubbish series that was under scrutiny before it even began (not because of the LF though, I won't mention the 'J' word) ... and it challenges BB4 in the boring stakes.

Originally posted by Brekkie
They've had nine months to show Friends during the day if they wanted too - they didn't bother.

The minute the slot could be put to better use by offering the viewers something different, they put it in.


You compare E4's audience share during Big Brother and outside of Big Brother. The difference is clear - even last year they rated significantly better during the summer (and most channels lose viewers over the summer!). Those who think ratings are the main reason are clearly quite gullible.


I think there is a lot of ignorance amongst the people dismissing the effect it'll have. Just wait until Day 2. Whether in the morning, or once home from school or work, if it's gone well the night before you'd be wanting to dip into the live stream just to see what's happening. But no, you won't have the choice!

What time is Friends on at btw? I assumed it was just 5pm ...

and I won't find myself wanting to dip in and out of it on day 2. I don't watch it until gone midnight for about half an hour, or background noise which I won't take much notice of.

[Brekkie]

It's added in at 2.30pm on Friday.

That was when the live feed was relevant though, its irrelevant now. People actually used to watch it. You're basing the inability for BB to survive on a rubbish series that was under scrutiny before it even began (not because of the LF though, I won't mention the 'J' word) ... and it challenges BB4 in the boring stakes.
Of course it's still relevant - it's relevant to every series.

(And I'm completely clueless what the "J" word might be!)

[BBDodge]

Originally posted by President
Friends got about 4 times more viewers than BB Live feed and is cheaper.



It isn't cheaper because the live feed is still being produced 24/7. Just not being shown.

[oscarb]

I beleive its because BBLB's ratings are so low now with that idiot George Lamb hosting it. SO they took away the streaming to make people try to tune into what was a once great show, but now is a piece of garbage.

George should be axed if for nothing else his comments to the sun that after next year, "They should call it day" and end the series.

While I was a huge Dermot fan, I would have been fine if they replaced him with any of those guest of BBBM last year, instead of this idiot who looks like big bird. I was fine with who they picked for BBBM, and I think Jeff Leech could have been a great replacemnt for Dermot as well.

Because of this I was hoping that they would bring back the live streaming,a s ratings for BBLB can't be that good now. My wife, who waited each day to se BBLB can't even sit through more than one show of BBLB in a night if we fall a few nights behind.

[BIG-BRO-FAN]

As much as I love BB and the live feed, there's bigger problems in the world. Life goes on. :banana:

[BBDodge]

Yes, BBLB has become a liability. George doesn't even seem to be a BB fan so why is he still involved?

['Conor]

is live feed when u press the red button or is it "big brother live"

[Benji]

W cant do anything about it. At least we are getting it at night and NOT at all!

[Shep]

I think the main issue with the live feed was the buzz it created for the people who frequent BB forums. In the grand scheme of things it could have made a difference, as the majority of live feed viewers tend to be hard core BB nuts that vote every eviction compared to the casual viewers, who may tune in now and again, dip in and out, and save there vote for the final. Big Brother was sold to the government as an Orwellian landscape, it was the whole premise of them being watched 24/7 that separates the show from every other reality show out there - cut that, and the show conforms to become the same as the rest of them.

People could tune in whenever something juicy was going down, conversations were discussed and in the internet world livefeed was a great source of information to everyone. Word has it C4 cut the LF not because of costs, or ratings, but because they will have pretty much all the control they didn't have before to manipulate and pull the strings on the edit show. With no LF, we are forced to digest whatever they feed us, we can't go to the forums and ask if so and so really said that, and the casual viewers will be oblivious to what really happened. I've heard C4 cut it because of this and the OFCOM brigade, but then, we all know there are stipulations and regulations and procedures that could be put in place to prevent this, they have just chosen not too, and made it pretty clear while they were at it.

In all honesty, it doesn't affect me too much because I tuned in in the evenings which is still available - but I will certainly miss the WHATM threads, and sporatic forum drama that usually ensues. I guess it just depends on the kind of viewer you are, if you never watched the LF before, it won't really affect you.

Stention is just battling for what made the show great to begin with though, I admire his persistence, before people go attacking him and mocking him I would bear in mind that he loves the show just like the rest of you.

Looking forward to BB10, but you will find me over at DS:BB, these forums give me a headache.

:xyxwave:

[Benji]

Ok thanks for that!

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Tom
I won't be affected noone watched the live feed, so its pointless. Most didn't even know there was a red button.


Just because your too stupid to know what a Red Button even is and because you didnt watch Live Feed dosent mean the rest of the UK dont watch it!

[hannah.]

Originally posted by oscarb
I beleive its because BBLB's ratings are so low now with that idiot George Lamb hosting it. SO they took away the streaming to make people try to tune into what was a once great show, but now is a piece of garbage.

George should be axed if for nothing else his comments to the sun that after next year, "They should call it day" and end the series.

While I was a huge Dermot fan, I would have been fine if they replaced him with any of those guest of BBBM last year, instead of this idiot who looks like big bird. I was fine with who they picked for BBBM, and I think Jeff Leech could have been a great replacemnt for Dermot as well.

Because of this I was hoping that they would bring back the live streaming,a s ratings for BBLB can't be that good now. My wife, who waited each day to se BBLB can't even sit through more than one show of BBLB in a night if we fall a few nights behind.

jeff would be amazzing on bblb.. and is just amazing in general :lovedup::lovedup::lovedup:

[serensilver]

is there going to be ANY late night live feed on CH4/E4 anybody know? has it been confirmed? :conf2:

[BBDodge]

This graph dramatically shows the E4 viewing peaks (June and most Januarys) when BB is on:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/E4_share_of_viewing.png

It also shows that the peaks have been getting smaller in recent years, in line with recent BBs having had fewer viewers all round and also because of increased competition from other digital channels.

This probably doesn't include red button viewing.

[user12975]

Originally posted by 12bigbrother12
Channel 4 have decided to axe the live feed for BB10!

This will severely disrupt the enjoyment of many big brother fans. It should also be noted that this means that the forum will be less enjoyable, because there is no live feed to discuss.

Unfortunately, channel 4 appear to have lost the plot.

Below is a link to complain to channel 4 should you choose to do so:
http://help.channel4.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE/,/?St=448,E=0000000000179415589,K=1841,Sxi=0,USETEMP LATE=contact_ve.tem

Maybe you could leave your computer now, enjoy the fresh air and then be back for the evening showing?

:flower::flower::flower::flower: SUMMER

[Jackie]

Won't be the same without the live feed during the day for me anyway because thats the point of BB watching them 24/7 it was more intersting.

[markmarc]

could just get over it :thumbs2:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by markmarc
could just get over it :thumbs2:

If football fans were told they'd only be able to watch 7 minutes of every match from now on, do you think they'd just get over it?

[JohnnyBB]

we just sit tight then afterwards when the first rateings come in..we can watch sharon powers face as she screams what have i donnneee!

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by markmarc
could just get over it :thumbs2:

If football fans were told they'd only be able to watch 7 minutes of every match from no one, do you think they'd just get over it?
What a pathetic comparison.

Live football matches are some of the most watched broadcasts on television.

The BB live feed only gets a few thousand viewers.

That is such a messed up comment that you've made. Deluded in fact :pat:

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by markmarc
could just get over it :thumbs2:

If football fans were told they'd only be able to watch 7 minutes of every match from no one, do you think they'd just get over it?
What a pathetic comparison.

Live football matches are some of the most watched broadcasts on television.

The BB live feed only gets a few thousand viewers.

That is such a messed up comment that you've made. Deluded in fact :pat:

I agree:thumbs:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by markmarc
could just get over it :thumbs2:

If football fans were told they'd only be able to watch 7 minutes of every match from no one, do you think they'd just get over it?
What a pathetic comparison.

Live football matches are some of the most watched broadcasts on television.

The BB live feed only gets a few thousand viewers.

That is such a messed up comment that you've made. Deluded in fact :pat:

The live feed still got about three times what the endless repeats get. And Endemol are getting increasingly twitchy over the damage being done to what is, after all, their product. Let's give BB10 a few weeks and see how deluded I really am :pat:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Glenn
Originally posted by President
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by markmarc
could just get over it :thumbs2:

If football fans were told they'd only be able to watch 7 minutes of every match from no one, do you think they'd just get over it?
What a pathetic comparison.

Live football matches are some of the most watched broadcasts on television.

The BB live feed only gets a few thousand viewers.

That is such a messed up comment that you've made. Deluded in fact :pat:

I agree:thumbs:

Ever considered having an opinion of your own? :joker:

[President]

The live feed still got about three times what the endless repeats get. And Endemol are getting increasingly twitchy over the damage being done to what is, after all, their product. Let's give BB10 a few weeks and see how deluded I really am :pat:
You've avoided replying to my point.

You can NOT compare BB live feed to football, which you did. Football live matches are some of the most watched programmes on television... BB live feed is NOT.

And also, once again you're incorrect. The BB live feed gets less viewers than Friends repeats and Hollyoaks repeats. It's a fact; maybe you should use facts for once in your comments, because nearly all of the things you say are biased opinions.

Look: BB10 will get the lowest ratings ever anyways. BB8 and BB9 both had live feed, and both got the lowest ratings ever at the time.

It doesn't take a genius to work that out. But you can NOT attribute the viewer loss mainly to the live feed loss, because the decline has been happening far before the live feed was axed.

You are deluded :pat:

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
The live feed still got about three times what the endless repeats get. And Endemol are getting increasingly twitchy over the damage being done to what is, after all, their product. Let's give BB10 a few weeks and see how deluded I really am :pat:
You've avoided replying to my point.

You can NOT compare BB live feed to football, which you did. Football live matches are some of the most watched programmes on television... BB live feed is NOT.

And also, once again you're incorrect. The BB live feed gets less viewers than Friends repeats and Hollyoaks repeats. It's a fact; maybe you should use facts for once in your comments, because nearly all of the things you say are biased opinions.

Look: BB10 will get the lowest ratings ever anyways. BB8 and BB9 both had live feed, and both got the lowest ratings ever at the time.

It doesn't take a genius to work that out. But you can NOT attribute the viewer loss mainly to the live feed loss, because the decline has been happening far before the live feed was axed.

You are deluded :pat:

There are far worse things to be than deluded, as you amply prove with every post :pat:

[President]

There are far worse things to be than deluded, as you amply prove with every post :pat:
Once again, you're avoiding the very valid points I've made with my post.

You're actually quite rude as well, as you've shown in the past on various websites.

But anyhows, we shouldn't go off topic.

I've presented to you a very strong argument against your point. You haven't replied to it with a satisfactory counter-argument, so I'm guessing you do accept my valid points, then.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
There are far worse things to be than deluded, as you amply prove with every post :pat:
Once again, you're avoiding the very valid points I've made with my post.

You're actually quite rude as well, as you've shown in the past on various websites.

But anyhows, we shouldn't go off topic.

I've presented to you a very strong argument against your point. You haven't replied to it with a satisfactory counter-argument, so I'm guessing you do accept my valid points, then.

I'm quite rude, am I? Every post you make is insulting - whereas I always make an effort to be civil, even when I'm dealing with trolls and assorted halfwits.

My football reference was entirely valid. You might get the general gist of a match from the highlights, but you need to see the whole thing to get the full picture. Exactly the same with BB. It makes no sense at all without the ability to watch the housemates round the clock - and if you look at the Endemol website, that is the unique selling point of the Big Brother, above everything else, as laid out by the creators of the format.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by President
There are far worse things to be than deluded, as you amply prove with every post :pat:
Once again, you're avoiding the very valid points I've made with my post.

You're actually quite rude as well, as you've shown in the past on various websites.

But anyhows, we shouldn't go off topic.

I've presented to you a very strong argument against your point. You haven't replied to it with a satisfactory counter-argument, so I'm guessing you do accept my valid points, then.

I'm quite rude, am I? Every post you make is insulting - whereas I always make an effort to be civil, even when I'm dealing with trolls and assorted halfwits.

My football reference was entirely valid. You might get the general gist of a match from the highlights, but you need to see the whole thing to get the full picture. Exactly the same with BB. It makes no sense at all without the ability to watch the housemates round the clock - and if you look at the Endemol website, that is the unique selling point of the Big Brother, above everything else, as laid out by the creators of the format. I totally agree with you Stentionhouse, BB without 24/7 Livefeed, just wont be the same, im as angry as you about this.:mad:

[President]

My football reference was entirely valid. You might get the general gist of a match from the highlights, but you need to see the whole thing to get the full picture. Exactly the same with BB. It makes no sense at all without the ability to watch the housemates round the clock - and if you look at the Endemol website, that is the unique selling point of the Big Brother, above everything else, as laid out by the creators of the format.
It's not a valid point.

Firstly, most football matches are NOT shown live anyways. They're mostly shown as highlights on Match of the Day.

Secdonly, the live football matches have such a huge demand going into millions of viewers. The live feed on the other hand has a little demand of a few thousand viewers.

The abilitiy to watch housemates round the clock was the premise of the format when it first started.

After 9 years and about 18 series, the show is evolving and it has to move away from what it started out as due to many issues. Not least the fact that hardly anyone uses the live feed service anyways.

The USP of Big Brother was the original intention when it started out a decade ago. But like all shows, things have to change.

If you have a service which hardly anyone is using, of course you will need to take action. The appropriate action in this situation was to axe it due to low demand.

It's a sad thing that live feed will be no more (apart from overnight), but Channel 4 have made the entirely right decision for their company.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by President
My football reference was entirely valid. You might get the general gist of a match from the highlights, but you need to see the whole thing to get the full picture. Exactly the same with BB. It makes no sense at all without the ability to watch the housemates round the clock - and if you look at the Endemol website, that is the unique selling point of the Big Brother, above everything else, as laid out by the creators of the format.
It's not a valid point.

Firstly, most football matches are NOT shown live anyways. They're mostly shown as highlights on Match of the Day.

Secdonly, the live football matches have such a huge demand going into millions of viewers. The live feed on the other hand has a little demand of a few thousand viewers.

The abilitiy to watch housemates round the clock was the premise of the format when it first started.

After 9 years and about 18 series, the show is evolving and it has to move away from what it started out as due to many issues. Not least the fact that hardly anyone uses the live feed service anyways.

The USP of Big Brother was the original intention when it started out a decade ago. But like all shows, things have to change.

If you have a service which hardly anyone is using, of course you will need to take action. The appropriate action in this situation was to axe it due to low demand.

It's a sad thing that live feed will be no more (apart from overnight), but Channel 4 have made the entirely right decision for their company.

No other Big Brother anywhere in the world has dispensed with the live feed. That says it all. Even the American show - which is a complete travesty of real BB - still has the 24/7 feed.

BBUK had the ability to run and run as an annual event. Only Channel 4's incompetence has caused it to lose viewers. Nothing to do with the passage of time or changing habits of the viewing public or the proliferation of satellite and cable channels.

[President]

No other Big Brother anywhere in the world has dispensed with the live feed. That says it all. Even the American show - which is a complete travesty of real BB - still has the 24/7 feed.
But no other BB in the world has had about 18 series. Only the UK has had so many.

Naturally people will get bored of the format, show, and services on offer. It's not like the first few series when there was a real buzz for the show and when people used the live service.

Now after 18 series, people have seen it all and the facts and stats show that the live feed is hardly used by people.

Hence, Channel 4 had to make that decision in the current economic climate.

Most other countries won't even make it to a 18th series, so Channel 4 have done well in all honesty.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by President
My football reference was entirely valid. You might get the general gist of a match from the highlights, but you need to see the whole thing to get the full picture. Exactly the same with BB. It makes no sense at all without the ability to watch the housemates round the clock - and if you look at the Endemol website, that is the unique selling point of the Big Brother, above everything else, as laid out by the creators of the format.
It's not a valid point.

Firstly, most football matches are NOT shown live anyways. They're mostly shown as highlights on Match of the Day.

Secdonly, the live football matches have such a huge demand going into millions of viewers. The live feed on the other hand has a little demand of a few thousand viewers.

The abilitiy to watch housemates round the clock was the premise of the format when it first started.

After 9 years and about 18 series, the show is evolving and it has to move away from what it started out as due to many issues. Not least the fact that hardly anyone uses the live feed service anyways.

The USP of Big Brother was the original intention when it started out a decade ago. But like all shows, things have to change.

If you have a service which hardly anyone is using, of course you will need to take action. The appropriate action in this situation was to axe it due to low demand.

It's a sad thing that live feed will be no more (apart from overnight), but Channel 4 have made the entirely right decision for their company.









The abilitiy to watch housemates round the clock was the premise of the format when it first started.


Yes it was now without that format i think ratings will drop.

[Shep]

I agree with Stention, the livefeed garners 100-150k viewrs and more so on a good night, averaging more than the crappy sister shows.
But we will never know how well it could of done this year when it hasn't been given a chance. :thumbs:

[Beastie]

apparently dawn french loves big brother! and has never missed an episode of it! maybe she should present bblb!! lol

[Jackie]

Bring back life feed.:dance:

[Beastie]

wait isnt there still a bit of live feed???

im just over the moon that AT LEAST big brother is back!!!

be grateful!

[A55A551N]

I'm honestly not sure how people can say that C4/BB/Endemol whomoever have not made a mistake and that it's obvious they made a smart move to 'axe' the Live Feed because hardly anybody watched it or cared about it.

All you have to do is google a few keywords, add years stemming from say 2005 onwards and you will see that EVERY YEAR - MORE AND MORE People have complained about the lack of red-button, live feed, internet etc access that they've been giving us.

Last year the complaints about this exact situation were immeasurable! There is only thing that's going on here and that is, it is a combined effort to slowly kill off the show.

ETA: I think it's obviously interesting to note that the viewing figures began to drop for the show, around the time they started "delicately" cutting down on the amount of live feed/red button interactions viewers had.

Do the math it honestly is not that difficult.

[A55A551N]

Sorry for the DP but I also found this on another thread here RE: This issue. Thanks to the original poster of the evidence.

I do believe the following links show proof that the daily live feeds actually did extremely well!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=30424772&highlight=big+brother+live#post30424772

[monkeyking87]

They arent bringing it back

Its banging your heads against a brick wall at this stage

Like it or lump it C4 aren't budging

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by A55A551N
Sorry for the DP but I also found this on another thread here RE: This issue. Thanks to the original poster of the evidence.

I do believe the following links show proof that the daily live feeds actually did extremely well!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=30424772&highlight=big+brother+live#post30424772

The LF pulled in great viewing figures considering it was 24 hours long. It's been estimated that around a million different people watched it every day, just not all at the same time.

[A55A551N]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by A55A551N
Sorry for the DP but I also found this on another thread here RE: This issue. Thanks to the original poster of the evidence.

I do believe the following links show proof that the daily live feeds actually did extremely well!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=30424772&highlight=big+brother+live#post30424772

The LF pulled in great viewing figures considering it was 24 hours long. It's been estimated that around a million different people watched it every day, just not all at the same time.

But what is that to do w/ anything? C4/Endemol claimed their viewing figures for the live feeds were crap/diminished which is absolute BS. - This was the point being made.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by A55A551N
Originally posted by Stentionhouse
Originally posted by A55A551N
Sorry for the DP but I also found this on another thread here RE: This issue. Thanks to the original poster of the evidence.

I do believe the following links show proof that the daily live feeds actually did extremely well!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=30424772&highlight=big+brother+live#post30424772

The LF pulled in great viewing figures considering it was 24 hours long. It's been estimated that around a million different people watched it every day, just not all at the same time.

But what is that to do w/ anything? C4/Endemol claimed their viewing figures for the live feeds were crap/diminished which is absolute BS. - This was the point being made.

C4 have lied constantly. No surprise there.

[A55A551N]

Apparently Stention people over @ DS miss you... This topic is being discussed over there apparently NOTW have reported a mass of people complaining [to them] about the LF being removed and ardwark said:

"I wonder what Stentionhouse would have made of all this

*sigh*"

lol

[spacebod]

Well the overnight live feed would suffice, if the housemates stayed up and had lots of fun, like in the beginning. I think that there are a lots of use to whom the live feed did matter, even if others thought it was sad of us. It all depends on what element of BB you liked personally.

Peoples strong feelings show me how much lots of us DO miss the full live coverage and I think the point is it seems unfair to take it away from viewers, without any redress.

:cat: