Gay Marriage

[Shaun]

Yes or no? :tongue:

CodeMaroon: Isembard Kingdom Brunel

[jaybitches]

Ehh... NO!

[Shaun]

Originally posted by jaybitches
Ehh... NO!

Why?

[jaybitches]

I dunno, its just one them things i dont agree with
Am bi my self so i aint like dissen gay folk, just dont see point in it

[geoking66]

Completely for it. It's a violation of an individual's rights not being allowed to marry someone with mutual consent.

[andyman]

Anybody watch the news before Eurovision? Russian police arresting gays!..

Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

[Novo]

How long do they get Arrested for?

[andyman]

7 hours, kinda mad.. They hate gays and black people in russia, nasty place.

[Fom]

All for it, you can't ban love, you love who you love. Shouldn't be called 'Marriage' though it should be called 'Civil partnership'.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by jaybitches
I dunno, its just one them things i dont agree with
Am bi my self so i aint like dissen gay folk, just dont see point in it

It gives gay couples the same rights as married couples...

[pinkmichk]

100% for it you cant help you fall in love with and why shouldnt same sex couples show their love like straight couples do with a ceremony

[Sod_James]

FOR. although i doubt i will ever get married i would like to think that the option is open to me.

[Twilight]

100% for it:love:

[Princess]

Completely for.

edit:It's not legal here yet which p***es me off. Although abortion isn't legal either. Although I'm not sure where I stand on that*goes to other thread*

[Z]

I'm indifferent. What does marriage even mean these days? I don't see any point in marriage, so personally I don't think gay people should be fighting for that right, it just seems a bit pointless to me.

[30stone]

Originally posted by andyman
7 hours, kinda mad.. They hate gays and black people in russia, nasty place.

Yes, Zenit St Petersburg have even banned women from buying season tickets.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/55/main/2009/02/26/1129439/zenit-st-petersburg-wont-sell-season-tickets-to-women

But meh, im not really sure..

[MarkWaldorf]

I'm in different about it, but probably more in favour.

I don't see why a gay couple, who may well love each other very deeply, have less right to marry than a straight couple, who may feel the same love between each other as the gay couple.

But then again, I grew up believing and experiencing that marriage is naturally between a man and a woman. I'm gay myself, but I don't think I could ever marry a man (although I'm well aware that may change later in life) but I would like the option open to other gay couples who do want to get married.

[Barbie]

I dont see what is wrong with it,
but gay friends said they wouldn't get married anyway seems as they think it came from the church and religion is against their lifestyle so they see it as weird to anyway

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : MarkWaldorf
I grew up believing and experiencing that marriage is naturally between a man and a woman.

Same thing here. It's been our upbringing and we can't change that.
I'm straight and the idea of 2 men or women getting married sounds weird to me.
However, people are allowed to do whatever they want if they love each other so I have mixed feelings because I may fear values are being taken away but then again, I'd hate people to make whatever I want with the person I love impossible.
I know I do sound conservative to death but hey, I can't help it.

[Spike]

Marriage comes from religion, I think, and religion isn't exactly enthusiastic about gay people so maybe it is best to leave it for man and woman
I should be for it but actually I kinda am against it

[Stu]

Originally posted by Spike
Marriage comes from religion, I think, and religion isn't exactly enthusiastic about gay people so maybe it is best to leave it for man and woman
I should be for it but actually I kinda am against it
Have you read the Bible? It is not exactly crazy for children, blacks or women either. Depends which part you pick and mix to call your 'faith'.

[andyman]

Originally posted by Spike
Marriage comes from religion, I think, and religion isn't exactly enthusiastic about gay people so maybe it is best to leave it for man and woman
I should be for it but actually I kinda am against it Marriage goes back much further than the church in Rome.

[Marsh.]

Don't agree with it myself, but whatever floats your boat... or gets you hard (or wet)

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

[lily.]

I'm in favour of straight marriage, therefore I'm in favour of gay marriage, cuz I really don't see the difference...

It doesn't affect me when 2 people get married, so I don't really give a flying f&*k who they marry, which gender they are, colour they are, race they are, religion they are (or aren't as the case may be).

Basically, I don't see the point in it not being allowed. Marriage is a commitment between two people. It's not for anyone else to decide if it should be allowed or not.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mpl91z.gif

[Shaun]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

:rolleyes:

[Benji]

Im gay...and it doesnt bother me. Im for it by all means, but that doesnt nessescarily mean i wish to be married. Cos i dont. I mean, Why do you have to marry them to show how much you love them? Its old fashioned and traditonal. MOVE WITH THE TIMES People!

[Noel]

I say marry who you want when you want.
If I want to marry a door, I WILL VERY WELL DO SO!

[Scarlett.]

I'm for it, why shouldnt gay people be married?

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Bradley!
I say marry who you want when you want.
If I want to marry a door, I WILL VERY WELL DO SO!

LOL

[MrGaryy]

I suppose I;m indifferent. I;ve never been in a situation where I have met another guy I would like to spend the rest of my life with, but of course I'm not sayingit couldn't happen for me. It would be nice to have the option and I would like for people who are in that sitaution to do so if they feel its right.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by MarkWaldorf
Originally posted by Bradley!
I say marry who you want when you want.
If I want to marry a door, I WILL VERY WELL DO SO!

LOL :laugh3:

[Z]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

Hahahahahaha.

[Shaun]

And there goes my respect for Greg.

[Z]

I'll just whap some Care Factor 15 on.


WTF? He dropped a funny, I lol'd, learn to laugh?

[SiaSiaSia]

Originally posted by andyman
Anybody watch the news before Eurovision? Russian police arresting gays!..

Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Putin = :yuk:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Zee
I'll just whap some Care Factor 15 on.


WTF? He dropped a funny, I lol'd, learn to laugh?

Meh, I didn't find it funny, just a bit ignorant and pathetic.

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
Originally posted by Zee
I'll just whap some Care Factor 15 on.


WTF? He dropped a funny, I lol'd, learn to laugh?

Meh, I didn't find it funny, just a bit ignorant and pathetic.

Right, so that warrants putting me down again...?

[JohnnyBB]

i love gays

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Shaun
Originally posted by Zee
I'll just whap some Care Factor 15 on.


WTF? He dropped a funny, I lol'd, learn to laugh?

Meh, I didn't find it funny, just a bit ignorant and pathetic.

Right, so that warrants putting me down again...?

Again? :S

I wasn't putting you down, it's not like I was being serious in that I've lost all my respect for you :P

[hannah.]

Originally posted by Bradley!
I say marry who you want when you want.
If I want to marry a door, I WILL VERY WELL DO SO!

stay away from the door! you homewrecker

[Stu]

Putin ... what a sexy beast.

[Tom4784]

I'm all for it. Why should someone not get married just because some group doesn't agree with it? I think the choice of Marriage should belong to all couples.

[tymu888]

Algselt postitas: andyman
Anybody watch the news before Eurovision? Russian police arresting gays!..

Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Hey , I live in Eastern Europe !
Russia is one horrible place. I live in Estonia myself. Russians are horrible !!

[Stu]

Yo, somebody call Remy :joker:.

[SirTech]

i mean im not against it but not with it ,
its like "you wanna get married , go ahead " the only important thing is to know what you're getting yourself into


:shrug:

[Iceman]

If it makes people happy then why not? People should be allowed to do what they want.

[30stone]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/553/russia/2009/02/27/1129425/zenit-st-petersburg-wont-sell-season-tickets-to-women

Russians such charming people.


There are some Good Russians though.

Arshavin, Pavel Pogrebnyak, Sergei Ignashevich

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Zee
I'm indifferent. What does marriage even mean these days? I don't see any point in marriage, so personally I don't think gay people should be fighting for that right, it just seems a bit pointless to me.

Legal rights. Which is exactly why I am in favour. When I think of marriage, I do not think of the religious bonding between two faith-members... no.

If a gay couple are not allowed to get married, they're lacking in rights concerning mortgages, rent, loans, tax... a lot of things.

[M X]

100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

[Fom]

Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

[Z]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

Exactly. It just comes across to me as if gay people don't really know when they've crossed a line; in theory there should be no boundaries for anyone, but in reality we have to respect other people's beliefs. Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them, gay people shouldn't be then fighting for the right to get married, which is a religious thing, when the Church is so deeply against homosexuality, it just causes resentment and less tolerance. I agree with Fom's point that you don't need to be married to be together forever; it's just giving a name to something that many people already have and don't feel the need to name. I just think gay marriage is a pointless thing to be fighting for.

[Lauren]

To be fair to Fom and Zee - the argument for "gay marriage" doesn't tend to involve the religious ceremony, it's mainly civil rights to actually get "married" as in... be in a marriage, "civil partnership".

[Z]

Originally posted by Lauren
To be fair to Fom and Zee - the argument for "gay marriage" doesn't tend to involve the religious ceremony, it's mainly civil rights to actually get "married" as in... be in a marriage, "civil partnership".

I'm really just arguing the point about "marriage" as a concept, as the topic's called gay marriage. I don't really see the point in marriage in general; so I find gay people "fighting" for the right to get married really pointless. I don't take issue with civil partnerships/marriage, but it just seems ridiculous to me, I can't think of any benefits that being married/in a civil partnership has over being in a committed relationship.

[Tom]

Against. Yes I said it.

Gay Marriage is a contradiction in terms. Marriage = religious. Gay = against religion.

But I have nothing against civil partnerships for rights etc ... I think thats fine. I just can't stand the term gay marriage.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by Tom
Against. Yes I said it.

Gay Marriage is a contradiction in terms. Marriage = religious. Gay = against religion.

But I have nothing against civil partnerships for rights etc ... I think thats fine. I just can't stand the term gay marriage.

same, i don't believe it is right to be gay...
Evolution works by a male and a female.

:rolleyes:

So, what? Homosexuality is unnatural?

[LemonJam]

Marriage, no. Civil Partnerships, yes.

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by Shaun
Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by Tom
Against. Yes I said it.

Gay Marriage is a contradiction in terms. Marriage = religious. Gay = against religion.

But I have nothing against civil partnerships for rights etc ... I think thats fine. I just can't stand the term gay marriage.

same, i don't believe it is right to be gay...
Evolution works by a male and a female.

:rolleyes:

So, what? Homosexuality is unnatural?

Evolutionary it is unnatural.
But it depends what term the word natural is used.
As natural can depend on a persons belief.
Homosexuals are shown to have similar brain activity to that of females. Thus suggesting that some thought processes are innate. But as far as evolutionary is concerned, no i believe it to be unnatural.

Well I don't choose to like men, so yeah, it's pretty natural.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage. Marriage has nothing to do with religion. Get out a history book.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by MichaelSpears
100& for!!

It disgusts me to think that gay's aren't given the same rights as straight's. It's so hypocritical for the government of some countries to say 'No, we don't have a problem with gay people' but 'We won't allow gay marriage'.

Marriage is religious and being gay is against religion, I completely understand why everyone is against gay marriage. But there should be civil partnerships, so that gay people can spend the rest of their lives together forever.

But to be fair, the marriage should not be that important. You can be together forever without marriage.

Exactly. It just comes across to me as if gay people don't really know when they've crossed a line; in theory there should be no boundaries for anyone, but in reality we have to respect other people's beliefs. Gay people should be thankful that, for the most part, people are tolerant towards them, gay people shouldn't be then fighting for the right to get married, which is a religious thing, when the Church is so deeply against homosexuality, it just causes resentment and less tolerance. I agree with Fom's point that you don't need to be married to be together forever; it's just giving a name to something that many people already have and don't feel the need to name. I just think gay marriage is a pointless thing to be fighting for.

Thanks for this, Board Bigot. Jesus.:rolleyes: No wonder why Britain's in the bin!

[Arneldo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=126nm9i8duc

[arista]

Originally posted by Shaun
Yes or no? :tongue:


In California it is NO.

Now made Illegal again.

[Stu]

Their are some utterly messed up viewpoints in this thread. Again, may I point out that...

Originally posted by Stu
Have you read the Bible? It is not exactly crazy for children, blacks or women either. Depends which part you pick and mix to call your 'faith'.

[Fom]

Having a civil partnership is the perfect answer in my opinion, it gives the religious groups nothing to fight against and the couple gets to marry. I am completely for being gay, I think you can't help who you fall in love with.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

Hahahahahaha.

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

[Z]

Originally posted by MrGaryy

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

Yeah; women and blacks should be thankful that men are tolerant to them because of the historical context. Women, gays, blacks, Jews and many other groups of people have historically been oppressed by white men; I think it's a good thing that these groups have gained more equality in recent times, if that makes sense, I didn't mean it in a "they should just be thankful for what they've got" kind of way. Yeah the Bible does teach that; but in practice, radical Christians perpetuated a lot of myths that caused these stereotypes as a result of their "interpretations" of the Bible.


Originally posted by letmein

Thanks for this, Board Bigot. Jesus.:rolleyes: No wonder why Britain's in the bin!

I'd like you to point out where I've been a bigot in my post? I've not been homophobic or disrespectful. I don't really appreciate being blamed for the state of Britain based on my views of gay marriage :tongue:.

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

Hahahahahaha.

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

As far as I'm aware, 08marsh wasn't being serious in what they said, I read it as a joke and therefore laughed; however; just because I am against racism does not automatically mean I'm against homophobia. I am, but that's neither here nor there.

[Shaun]

First a small thought before I quote some others, I totally agree with Lauren in that the majority of reasons for gay marriage is the legal side of it. Some members seem to be throwing the "religious" aspect back at us, but there hasn't been a good answer to the question:

What right does an unloving straight couple have to get married, and as a result have legal and monetary benefits and security, over a loving gay one?

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by MrGaryy

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

Yeah; women and blacks should be thankful that men are tolerant to them because of the historical context. Women, gays, blacks, Jews and many other groups of people have historically been oppressed by white men; I think it's a good thing that these groups have gained more equality in recent times, if that makes sense, I didn't mean it in a "they should just be thankful for what they've got" kind of way. Yeah the Bible does teach that; but in practice, radical Christians perpetuated a lot of myths that caused these stereotypes as a result of their "interpretations" of the Bible.

Hmm. I'm not sure if it's in the hands of women/blacks/jews/gays to be thankful. Moreso in the hands of the men/whites/christians/straights to be ashamed and apologetic.

History is indeed a vast thing, and after hundreds, even thousands of years of persecution towards all sorts of people, it is great that it's all behind us now - but there shouldn't be a sense of gratitude.

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

Hahahahahaha.

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

As far as I'm aware, 08marsh wasn't being serious in what they said, I read it as a joke and therefore laughed; however; just because I am against racism does not automatically mean I'm against homophobia. I am, but that's neither here nor there.

I think you'll want to be careful in future when quoting 08marsh as a source of informed, rational and unhateful (yet simultaneously hilarious) behaviour, because, going by the entirety of what he posts, he's not one of those traits, let alone all.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Fom
Having a civil partnership is the perfect answer in my opinion, it gives the religious groups nothing to fight against and the couple gets to marry. I am completely for being gay, I think you can't help who you fall in love with.

But gay people aren't happy with a civil partnerships - that's the whole point of gay marriage and why it's being fought for and why it's a huge issue right now. They want to be treated as equals. Civil partnerships are still "seperate but equal".

And can I just say - marriage was around long before Christianity thankyou very much. Too be honest, the church have no business butting in and getting involved. That's why I'm all for seperation of Church and State.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Woahhh! just woahhh!

[Lauren]

Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony? Because the only difference is the religious aspect. Why would they want to be married in the eyes of the God that see's them as sinners?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Lauren
Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony? Because the only difference is the religious aspect. Why would they want to be married in the eyes of the God that see's them as sinners?
Because some have faith anyway, and respect the fact that they are sinners. Plus, again, seriously, their are SO many ways to interpret the bible. Churches often dont like gays. The jury is out on what god thinks.

[Z]

Originally posted by Shaun
First a small thought before I quote some others, I totally agree with Lauren in that the majority of reasons for gay marriage is the legal side of it. Some members seem to be throwing the "religious" aspect back at us, but there hasn't been a good answer to the question:

What right does an unloving straight couple have to get married, and as a result have legal and monetary benefits and security, over a loving gay one?

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by MrGaryy

Sorry Greg, I understand where you are coming from and like I've previously said I'm not particularly fighting for gay marriage or anything but that just makes such little sense to me. Should women be thankful men are tolerant of them? or blacks? Isn't the whole whole giust of the bible is that we should treat others as we would like to be treated, equality and loving people for who they are and all that jazz?

Yeah; women and blacks should be thankful that men are tolerant to them because of the historical context. Women, gays, blacks, Jews and many other groups of people have historically been oppressed by white men; I think it's a good thing that these groups have gained more equality in recent times, if that makes sense, I didn't mean it in a "they should just be thankful for what they've got" kind of way. Yeah the Bible does teach that; but in practice, radical Christians perpetuated a lot of myths that caused these stereotypes as a result of their "interpretations" of the Bible.

Hmm. I'm not sure if it's in the hands of women/blacks/jews/gays to be thankful. Moreso in the hands of the men/whites/christians/straights to be ashamed and apologetic.

History is indeed a vast thing, and after hundreds, even thousands of years of persecution towards all sorts of people, it is great that it's all behind us now - but there shouldn't be a sense of gratitude.

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by andyman
Eastern europe is a vile dark sh*thole..

Gays should love it then

Hahahahahaha.

You are the founder of the Anti-Racism club yet you laugh when someone makes fun of gays?

As far as I'm aware, 08marsh wasn't being serious in what they said, I read it as a joke and therefore laughed; however; just because I am against racism does not automatically mean I'm against homophobia. I am, but that's neither here nor there.

I think you'll want to be careful in future when quoting 08marsh as a source of informed, rational and unhateful (yet simultaneously hilarious) behaviour, because, going by the entirety of what he posts, he's not one of those traits, let alone all.

A couple, regardless of the genders, who are wanting to get married in a church, surely love each other to go to the expense of arranging a wedding? Marriage is a serious commitment, people that marry and don't love each other are making a mockery of it. I don't see the point in marriage personally, most people who get married in a Church that I know aren't religious, it's hypocritical to get married in a church if you don't believe in the faith, or if you are homosexual, to get married in a church that openly disapproves of homosexuality. That is my issue with gay marriage; it's degrading and demeaning for all parties involved; the couple and the church.

White men aren't going to be ashamed or apologetic for things that their forefathers did; am I expected to feel humbled for things that I didn't do? No; but people who face inequalities in the work place can be thankful for the improvements in equality that have been made in recent times; that's not to say that they should feel anything at all, but the option is there.

[Stu]

Again, religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Gay couples might be Christian, and might believe in many Christian virtues, but not the whole gay bashing thing.

[Z]

Originally posted by Stu
Again, religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Gay couples might be Christian, and might believe in many Christian virtues, but not the whole gay bashing thing.

I get what you mean, but as I'm not religious I can't really understand why a couple in that situation would want to get married through the church if they understand perfectly that the church is against homosexuality; a Christian gay couple would at least know that the church doesn't condone homosexuality.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Zee
Originally posted by Stu
Again, religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Gay couples might be Christian, and might believe in many Christian virtues, but not the whole gay bashing thing.

I get what you mean, but as I'm not religious I can't really understand why a couple in that situation would want to get married through the church if they understand perfectly that the church is against homosexuality; a Christian gay couple would at least know that the church doesn't condone homosexuality.
Yes, but the church also apparently condones peace & love to ALL humanity. The church, on paper, only really forbids practicing homosexuality.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Lauren
Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony?

Because they are fighting for equality. They want to be "married" not "civilly united".

Originally posted by ZeeI don't see the point in marriage personally, most people who get married in a Church that I know aren't religious, it's hypocritical to get married in a church if you don't believe in the faith, or if you are homosexual, to get married in a church that openly disapproves of homosexuality. That is my issue with gay marriage; it's degrading and demeaning for all parties involved; the couple and the church.

uhmm... not all marriages take place in a Church.

[Z]

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
Originally posted by Lauren
Civil ceremony gives the exact same rights to a gay couple as marriage does for a straight couple, am I correct?

If so, why are gay couples fighting to be "married" as opposed to civil ceremony?

Because they are fighting for equality. They want to be "married" not "civilly united".

Originally posted by ZeeI don't see the point in marriage personally, most people who get married in a Church that I know aren't religious, it's hypocritical to get married in a church if you don't believe in the faith, or if you are homosexual, to get married in a church that openly disapproves of homosexuality. That is my issue with gay marriage; it's degrading and demeaning for all parties involved; the couple and the church.

uhmm... not all marriages take place in a Church.


Yeah, those are called civil ceremonies, marriages take place in churches, if it takes place in the registry office it's a civil reception.

[M X]

People love who they love, it's not something they can help.

[FrenchAffair2]

Originally posted by geoking66
Completely for it. It's a violation of an individual's rights not being allowed to marry someone with mutual consent.


So you believe in polygamy as well?

[IsleOfWeather]

I think gay men should be made to marry a women for 5 years as part of a national service.

[Dylan]

I am totally for it (as a Bi man)

I don't see why two men in love should be treated any differently from a man and a woman in love.

[Mikel]

Im gay, and I wanna get married when im older :thumbs:

[Novo]

How old are you mikel

i keep thinking your like 13

[liegh1990]

everyone has a right to love! i'm not saying that you'll see me at gay marches etc but if my child was to be gay at first i would be shocked and in disbelief but at the end of the day that my child who i will always love unconditionally and i would respect him more for coming out as i know thats a hard thing to do!

[liegh1990]

Originally posted by Mikel
Im gay, and I wanna get married when im older :thumbs:
good on you mikel!!!, does your family know your gay? and if they do what was their reaction when you told them???

[Benjamin]

Gays make me sick. :conf2:



























*only joking. I love them!

[Mikel]

Originally posted by liegh1990
Originally posted by Mikel
Im gay, and I wanna get married when im older :thumbs:
good on you mikel!!!, does your family know your gay? and if they do what was their reaction when you told them???

Yea they do!
They were fine, my aunty started talking about when she had anal...
pretty gross.
haha

[Mikel]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Gays make me sick. :conf2:



























*only joking. I love them!
Yay
:D
I was gonna go mental then
haha

[BBUK4LYFE]

Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.

[Mikel]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.
two men can love each other just as much.
why cant they share the same rights.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by Mikel
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.
two men can love each other just as much.
why cant they share the same rights.
First of all. I answered a question.

Second, it has been tradition since the beginning of time that marriage is between a man and woman.

Thirdly, as far as I know, the church is against homosexuality. Getting married usually involves a pastor of some sort. So if the church is against it, why should they be obligated to take part in a ceremony that they feel is wrong to begin with?

Feel me?

[liegh1990]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.

admin edit: don't insult other members please

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by liegh1990
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Thank you for the name calling.

I answer a question and I get called ignorant.

You have been reported.

[liegh1990]

Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by liegh1990
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman. your a very close minded ignorant person!!!
Thank you for the name calling.

I answer a question and I get called ignorant.

You have been reported.
i don't care!!!

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by liegh1990
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Originally posted by liegh1990
Originally posted by BBUK4LYFE
Against.

Why? because I think marriage should be between a man and a woman. your a very close minded ignorant person!!!
Thank you for the name calling.

I answer a question and I get called ignorant.

You have been reported.
i don't care!!!

BBUK4LYFE is allowed an opinion, whether you agree or not. Just because he doesn't believe two men should be able to get married doesn't make him ignorant. His reason was valid enough, he thinks marriage is between a man and a woman. If he was ignorant, he would have attacked people for being gay and wanting to get married but he didn't.

[Stu]

No, it's retarded. Completely retarded. Saying ''marriage should be between a man and a woman'' is a statement, not an argument. Why should it be between a man and a woman exactly? Because it's so sacred that you can get Elvis to perform the ceremony and get a divorce two weeks later? And as an opinion, it infringes on the opinions of others, e.g. two gay men who wish to marry, therefore I have no obligation to respect that opinion.

Two gay men who want to marry have absoloutely nothing to do with me. Their damaging absoloutely nobody but themselves. Why on earth would I want to prevent them from doing what they want to do. Thats being ignorant.

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by Stu

No, it's retarded. Completely retarded. Saying ''marriage should be between a man and a woman'' is a statement, not an argument. Why should it be between a man and a woman exactly? Because it's so sacred that you can get Elvis to perform the ceremony and get a divorce two weeks later? And as an opinion, it infringes on the opinions of others, e.g. two gay men who wish to marry, therefore I have no obligation to respect that opinion.

Two gay men who want to marry have absoloutely nothing to do with me. Their damaging absoloutely nobody but themselves. Why on earth would I want to prevent them from doing what they want to do. Thats being ignorant.


I stated several reasons why.

Go do your research, then come back and holla.... K?

Originally posted by Stu Why on earth would I want to prevent them from doing what they want to do. Thats being ignorant.

Because gay marriage is illegal that's why.

People want to do a lot of things, but the law prevents them from doing it.

A lot of people want to go and buy weed, but they don't.. why? because its not legal.

Just giving an example.

At the end of the day, I don't care if you're gay or not. Its none of my business what people do with their sexual life.

[Stu]

Well yes, it is illegal, but thats the whole point of the debate, you tit. Some people want to make it legal. Just like millions of people will still buy weed tonight because they feel like it's their right to do what they want with their bodies provided they dont harm another living soul.

I already dealt with your reasons earlier on in the thread, homeboy. The Church is not against homosexuality [The Bible is] but PRACTICING it. If the church was against homosexuality that much, why is their openly gay members of clergy? Good god man. The church is also against contraception and masturbation. Ever indulged in either of those?

[Tom4784]

Who says Holla these days with a straight face?

I think at the end of the day, if two people are of a legal age and consenting then why not? Surely the only prerequisite marriage needs is love? Not that the participating parties have to be of certain genders. I think nowadays religion just doesn't play a HUGE part in marriage, most people who have been married in a church I know aren't hugely religious, it's just seen as traditional yet they are allowed to get married in religious houses why not two men? or Two women?

[Stu]

And is the whole point of even bothering to argue about the tradition and integrity of marriage anyway instantly destroyable due to the very prescence of a little concept known as DIVORCE?

And get this, by current law, a gay Rev. can marry a straight couple. But a gay couple cant marry? WTF? Time paradox, fo' sho'.

Oh yeah, on a random note - you should all go and watch Milk. Sean Penn deserved that damn Oscar.

[KillER]

for

as far as im concerned love knows no gender

[a_2009]

Well based on the fact homosexuality is percieved to be a sin amongst many religions, it would follow suit that a same sex marriage couple should not be able to marry....

[Stu]

Originally posted by a_2009
Well based on the fact homosexuality is percieved to be a sin amongst many religions, it would follow suit that a same sex marriage couple should not be able to marry....
Then why allow gay priests?

Nice to see that you read the discussion before hand...

[a_2009]

Originally posted by Stu
Originally posted by a_2009
Well based on the fact homosexuality is percieved to be a sin amongst many religions, it would follow suit that a same sex marriage couple should not be able to marry....
Then why allow gay priests?

Nice to see that you read the discussion before hand...

Who are frowned upon for practising a homosexual lifestyle....

Civil marriage yes, but in a church na.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by Stu
Two gay men who want to marry have absoloutely nothing to do with me. Their damaging absoloutely nobody but themselves. Why on earth would I want to prevent them from doing what they want to do. Thats being ignorant.

I read the thread, and when the supposed intellects come out with comments like that......

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by a_2009
Originally posted by Stu
Two gay men who want to marry have absoloutely nothing to do with me. Their damaging absoloutely nobody but themselves. Why on earth would I want to prevent them from doing what they want to do. Thats being ignorant.

I read the thread, and when the supposed intellects come out with comments like that......
Nice find bruh!

Stu, is a very interesting character indeed.

I'll leave it as that.

[geoking66]

Originally posted by FrenchAffair2
Originally posted by geoking66
Completely for it. It's a violation of an individual's rights not being allowed to marry someone with mutual consent.


So you believe in polygamy as well?

I never said that, so stop interpreting. I believe that anyone has the right to do anything that does not infringe on the personal liberties of others (look up the Harm Principle in Mill's "On Liberty"), true liberalism. If it weren't for the tax structure that makes polygamy impossible, I don't really see the problem as long as all parties involved are OK with it.

[Rodrigo2Win]

I'm for it, but it shouldn't be called ''marriage'', be conducted by a priest, or take place in a church. :nono:

[geoking66]

How about every couple regardless of sexual orientation/gender gets a civil marriage (for legal purposes) and if you want you can get religiously married (which would have no legal significance but the two can be performed simultaneously)? That seems like the only fair way.

[a_2009]

I wouldn't argue with the way things are now - in the uk at least. My understanding is that civil partnerships provides same sex couples with equal right to hetrosexual couples when it comes to the legal benefits or marriage.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Rodrigo2Win
I'm for it, but it shouldn't be called ''marriage'', be conducted by a priest, or take place in a church. :nono:

Exactly, gay marriage will never happen. But legally being tied together with someone for the rest of your life is fine.

[sol]

In the last 10 years gay rights have come a long way with the age of consent being levelled at 16 to Civil Partnerships giving us equal rights to married couples.
I feel like this is in credit to the current Labour government and it saddens me when it is criticised so heavily as it has been in recent years due to things like how badly people think it is handling the recession.
I'm worried for the future in case the Conservatives or any other party neglect gay rights as it is still very much a continuous cause and equality has by no means been reached yet.
Anyway, bit off topic lol...

I would love to see the day when gay marriage is legalised, hopefully it won't be a day too far in the future.