ddd

[user12975]

fff

[30stone]

Agree'd.

along with not liking him in general.

[Shaun]

Don't really care - if she wants to be called a woman, I'll call her one.

[John.]

Nadia IS known and wants to be known as a woman.

If you have a problem with that, then you should have brought it up five years ago, not now!

[John.]

If you weren't on the forum five year's ago then you missed your opportunity to talk about Nadia, and express your views over her, and her sex change.

Nadia was born a man. She had a sex change. She is now a woman, like it or not.

Deal with it and move with the times.

[Novo]

He was Born a man

He should accept what he was born as

[Shaun]

tits, make-shift vag and woman's name = woman.

[Novo]

Originally posted by Shaun
tits, make-shift vag and woman's name = woman.

Fake - Fake - Fake = Fake Woman = Real man

[30stone]

Nadia was naturally born as a man.


There is no changing that, cosmetic surgery is good and all but inside is still a man.


You cannot change what you were born as with cosmetic surgery, she will always be Naturally a man.

[John.]

I'm sorry, but it was up to Nadia to decide what she wanted to do, it was her life, so let her decide how she lives it.


Whether she is male or female, she is still a human being. So just respect her choices.




END

[Locke.]

Nadia is a man.

[Novo]

Originally posted by JD.
I'm sorry, but it was up to Nadia to decide what she wanted to do, it was her life, so let her decide how she lives it.

And just respect her choices.

END

You respect that she was born a man then

[John.]

I didn't deny she was born a man!

[Shaun]

I should hardly be surprised who I'm arguing against - but whatever.

If she wants to be known as a woman, who are you but some pedantic, argumentative loser to say otherwise?

Yeah, she was a bloke. Yeah, technically she is a man - but society doesn't run off everything being technical and precise. 'scalled freedom :)

[John.]

Originally posted by David
Nadia is a man.

Correction: Nadia was a man.

[Locke.]

God made him a man and he attempted to throw it back in his face... he is still a he.

[John.]

Don't question her choices. When you don't know why she decided to make them!

[Locke.]

Originally posted by JD.
Don't question her choices. When you don't know why she decided to make them!

Correction:

Don't question his choices. When you don't know why his decided to make them!

[John.]

Nadia is legally a woman.

Just respect her choices.

[Novo]

JD is very touchy on this matter

maybe he is thinking off becoming a she

[John.]

Originally posted by David
Originally posted by JD.
Don't question her choices. When you don't know why she decided to make them!

Correction:

Don't question his choices. When you don't know why his decided to make them!

Nadia is legally a woman, respect that!

[John.]

Originally posted by .Andy.
JD is very touchy on this matter

maybe he is thinking off becoming a she

No I'm standing up for what I think is right.

[John.]

Genetically yes, she has the genetics of the man, who she once was.

Was being the operative word.

Nadia is now legally a woman.

[30stone]

You are still a man what ever you do.
You cannot change what you were born as simple fact.
Cosmetic surgery can take away the cock and a donkey there for all i care your still a bloke if you were born that way.

[John.]

Originally posted by 30stone
You are still a man what ever you do.
You cannot change what you were born as simple fact.
Cosmetic surgery can take away the cock and a donkey there for all i care your still a bloke if you were born that way.

Okay, but surely Nadia deserves the respect, of being called a woman if that's what she wants?

[30stone]

Yes you can call her a women if you like, i usually do.

But she when it comes to it is a man, if you look into her dna etc. Genetically a man.

[John.]

Originally posted by ***********
Originally posted by JD.
Genetically yes, she has the genetics of the man, who she once was.

Was being the operative word.

Here it goes...
You ''believe'' that Nadia is a male. A belief is mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something. However, a belief is not a fact, and a fact is something which is evidence based and CERTAIN to be true. The fact Nadia has Male genetics is the FACT therefore Nadia is a male, FACT

NO! I know Nadia WAS a man.

But Nadia had a sex change. She is now a woman. Get over it!

[John.]

Originally posted by ***********

Ok,,, but your going by the stereotypically view of what a male and female is. In that case, i could put a pair of knickers on and a bra and then im a female. In your view.

NO! Nadia had a sex change, therefore she is a woman.

Putting on a pair of knickers and a bra, would not make you a woman. Having a sex change would!

[John.]

Without google-ing "sex change", I can tell you that a sex change is a lot more than just an operation or two.

It takes years of treatment building up to the operation, and forever more Nadia will be on drugs to help her maintain how far she has come.

Nadia would have examined hundreds of times to, make sure that she was mentally fit to operate on. How she could cope following the change.

Afterwards, LEGAL documents are filled in when the change is performed, from man to woman, or vice versa. Thus signifying the FACT that the person has changed to the opposite sex.

Put simply in my opinion.

If a person has a penis then he is a man.

If a person has a vagina then she is a woman.




Genetics has really nothing to do with it.

[Novo]

JD give up your fighting a lossing battle here

[John.]

Honestly! Does it really matter.

Can you not just accept the fact that Nadia is a Woman, who once was a man?



Is it to hard to understand this?

[30stone]

No because genetically Nadia is still a man.

Born a man
die a man.


Can she get pregnant?
Does she have a period?

Nope

Inside shes stilla bloke.

[30stone]

Normal life you would just call her a woman.

Scientific outlook would be that shes a he..

[MrGaryy]

FFS, stop posting in bold.

[John.]

She like every other person deserves the right of respect. She has accepted that she is a transsexual woman, so has her family! Why can't you all?

Why are you basing Nadia on her genetics and not her as a person instead?

People are to quick to judge now-a-days.

[Tom4784]

Is she wants to be known as a woman then why bother arguing over it? To argue the pregnant point, there's MANY women who can't get pregnant does that make them men too?

[JohnnyBB]

wateva it is has it got a vagina?

[John.]

Originally posted by JohnnyBB
wateva it is has it got a vagina?

subtle but yes!:wink:

[30stone]

Originally posted by Dezzy
Is she wants to be known as a woman then why bother arguing over it? To argue the pregnant point, there's MANY women who can't get pregnant does that make them men too?


No, but i mean the whole inside it completely different.

[John.]

but what we see on the outside is a woman, she wants to be known as a woman...

therefore we have to respect that, she is a woman!

[30stone]

Yes but like i have said a million times.

I usually do just look at her as a woman.

BUT

scienetifically, genetically, via dna, she is a bloke.

[Shaun]

Just give up, JD, you're arguing with someone who's recently said that he "doesn't agree with gays".

[Fom]

The only problem here is your arrogance, if Nadia wants to be called a Woman then call her a Woman, she is more Woman than Man now, even if there is Male genes.

[\PJ/]

Nadia is from BB5 not BB4.

[Barbie]

Well im going to stand tall saying she didn't go into big brother 4! :tongue:

[John.]

Originally posted by Shaun
Just give up, JD, you're arguing with someone who's recently said that he "doesn't agree with gays".

So what's that got to with this?:shrug:

[\PJ/]

Originally posted by JD.
Originally posted by Shaun
Just give up, JD, you're arguing with someone who's recently said that he "doesn't agree with gays".

So what's that got to with this?:shrug:
He means your waisting your time.

[30stone]

Originally posted by Barbie-big-bro
Well im going to stand tall saying she didn't go into big brother 4! :tongue:


LOL

Did not realise that.

[Captain.Remy]

Scientifically she still is a man.
However, some people are born in the wrong body and this surgery is, to them, a way to get things the way they are supposed to be. In her mind, she was born as a woman, now she is a woman. Fair enough.
I don't find her attractive tho.

[John.]

Originally posted by PJ
Originally posted by JD.
Originally posted by Shaun
Just give up, JD, you're arguing with someone who's recently said that he "doesn't agree with gays".

So what's that got to with this?:shrug:
He means your waisting your time.


:thumbs:

[hannah.]

what would happen f you had your willy chopped off and then decided you were a man inside after all

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : hannah.
what would happen f you had your willy chopped off and then decided you were a man inside after all

You're screwed lmao

[\PJ/]

Originally posted by hannah.
what would happen f you had your willy chopped off and then decided you were a man inside after all
Cello tape.

[hannah.]

hmm

[30stone]

Originally posted by PJ
Originally posted by hannah.
what would happen f you had your willy chopped off and then decided you were a man inside after all
Cello tape.


And a pritt stick.

[andybigbro]

This should be in the Big Brother 5 section...

[M X]

Nadia is a woman, respect her. Why disrespect her?

It's quite comical people diss transexuals, even though they will 9/10 times out of ten been through more in their life than you could ever dream of.

Nadia has a vagina. She is a woman.

[DanielJordan1991]

JD is the only person making sense in this thread.

Nadia was born male. Everyone can agree with that.

He decided he didn't feel comfortable or confident in that gender. He used modern science to change his sex with a sex change. He became female. Yes, is you want to get technical, she is still male inside. Her DNA is male and science will never change that (in the near future) but she is now female. She had a sex change - that means she has changed sex. She is a woman.
She has had operations, surgery, drugs etc.. to change her body to that gender the best that science can allow. She is now recognised as female. Why try and deny her that? Are you so against transsexuals and so closed-minded that you can't accept it?
There is a difference between Kemal - who dresses female - yes, he is still male. Nadia has changed her sex. She is female.

[SiaSiaSia]

I'd say she's a male tbh

[JOSHUAH!]

'She' will never be a woman, its not possible - yes she can have the genetics like, false boobs and a piece of loose skin acting like a vagina, but shes not a woman.

Nadia is a man.

[DanielJordan1991]

So why did you just call her 'she'?

It's all about acceptance and whether you are able to accept and respect the fact that she made the decision to change her gender. That's when you decide whether you want to recognise her as male or female or not (not that I think it's really a decision for us to make).

I don't think anyone can deny that technically, within her DNA, she is still the male she was born into - but it's just disrespectful and insensitive to her to just throw that in her face as if she isn't already aware of that fact.

[Daniel__]

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
JD is the only person making sense in this thread.

Nadia was born male. Everyone can agree with that.

He decided he didn't feel comfortable or confident in that gender. He used modern science to change his sex with a sex change. He became female. Yes, is you want to get technical, she is still male inside. Her DNA is male and science will never change that (in the near future) but she is now female. She had a sex change - that means she has changed sex. She is a woman.
She has had operations, surgery, drugs etc.. to change her body to that gender the best that science can allow. She is now recognised as female. Why try and deny her that? Are you so against transsexuals and so closed-minded that you can't accept it?
There is a difference between Kemal - who dresses female - yes, he is still male. Nadia has changed her sex. She is female.

Agree with this 100%

How would you like it if people didnt respect your life choices?

I stand tall accepting Nadia as a women

[SiaSiaSia]

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
So why did you just call her 'she'?

It's all about acceptance and whether you are able to accept and respect the fact that she made the decision to change her gender. That's when you decide whether you want to recognise her as male or female or not (not that I think it's really a decision for us to make).

I don't think anyone can deny that technically, within her DNA, she is still the male she was born into - but it's just disrespectful and insensitive to her to just throw that in her face as if she isn't already aware of that fact.

No offence but I don't think you really understand.
I have to do this bloody discussion about sex changes in philosophy for my persons topic (WHICH IS DONE NOW YAYYYYYYYYyyy) i'll explain 2moz init.

[Marc]

I think its fair to say that Jorge (original name?) isn't genetically a women but Nadia is known as, the female version of Jorge.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by SiaSiaSia
No offence but I don't think you really understand.

Care to elaborate?

And on the contrary I think I "understand" more than most people who have commented so far in this thread.

[DanielJordan1991]

Originally posted by Marcjswp
I think its fair to say that Jorge (original name?) isn't genetically a women but Nadia is known as, the female version of Jorge.

Meh.. saying Nadia is "the female version of Jorge" kinda gives the impression that Nadia is like a drag queen - which she is definately not.

She isn't "Jorge dressing up as Nadia", she had a sex change to "become" Nadia.

[Marc]

Originally posted by DanielJordan1991
Originally posted by Marcjswp
I think its fair to say that Jorge (original name?) isn't genetically a women but Nadia is known as, the female version of Jorge.

Meh.. saying Nadia is "the female version of Jorge" kinda gives the impression that Nadia is like a drag queen - which she is definately not.

She isn't "Jorge dressing up as Nadia", she had a sex change to "become" Nadia.

Ok the words I used to express my opinion weren't very wise I didn't mean it to read that she was in drag. I mean Nadia is like the inner women that Jorge always had in him, but in full form and fully exposed now (post-op) I see Nadia as a women

[fruit_cake]

to those that are against nadia's wish to be accepted as a female, ask yourselves this question

is jamie lee curtis a man too? she was born with xy chromosones and is genetically a man. In fact many women have this syndrome. They never develop male genitalia and are known as xy women.

'man' and 'woman' are social constructions anyway they are just words and don't physically exist

[WATERS]

Ok Josh we all know its a man..
Why are you telling us this

[Barbie]

She wants to be seen as a woman so that is what she will be seen as in my eyes.

[30stone]

Id also like to add to this thread.

HEs a pretty horrible looking woman lol.

[WATERS]

Id also like to add..
IT knocks me sick

[Tom]

I'll say its a woman but I don't believe you can be born into the wrong body, so before I wouldn't say she was a woman in a mans body

[Barbie]

Originally posted by 30stone
Id also like to add to this thread.

HEs a pretty horrible looking woman lol.

lol well no she isnt stunning lol theres only so much plastic surgery in the world! lol

but yeah biologically she is man but thats not what she wants to be reffered to as.

[MeMyselfAndI]

leave Nadia Alone!

[LipglossBitch22]

She wants to be known as a woman, that's her choice which I respect and I recognise her as one. That's all there is to it. The fact that she was once a man means nothing to me and doesn't bother me at all, everyone has the right to do what they want in their own life, and that includes changing gender if they so desire. She'll always be my favourite Big Brother housemate.

[TrafficoneMan]

she is a women if you cant deal with that it says more about your sexuality then it dose her gender

[barn76]

Originally posted by ***********
Sex change does not change the genetics even though he is 'leggally' a female


I stand tall in saying that even if you were given the best education in the world you would still be an idiot!!!

Nadia is a woman do you have any idea what it is to be transexual??? No so dont pass stupid comments on something that you could never understand even if you tried which you are obviously not..